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| 07:03.04 | bemagri | hey |
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| 07:04.25 | bemagri | hey |
| 07:09.33 | SimonRaven | the stable's -> that way |
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| 07:54.21 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: after looking around at "ftp://ftp.linksys.com/opensourcecode/", many Linksys products look like ethically sustainable choices |
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| 07:57.38 | SimonRaven | hm, interesting pahartik |
| 08:01.52 | pahartik | SimonRaven: yes... I have been reading through lot of documents at "http://www.nslu2-linux.org/" and "http://wiki.openwrt.org/" to get started with my "open source Bluetooth 2.0+EDR class 1 access point device" project... just found out about that FTP archive |
| 08:02.08 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 08:25.15 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: nice |
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| 11:56.27 | HpBaxxter | æèâûå åñòü? |
| 11:57.04 | HpBaxxter | åïòàòü ÷¸ ìîë÷èòå |
| 11:57.22 | HpBaxxter | åñòü êòî æèâîé â ýòîì êóðÿòíèêå? |
| 11:57.29 | HpBaxxter | ýýé áëÿòü |
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| 11:59.21 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 12:00.49 | johill | chinese bot spam? ;) |
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| 12:01.07 | pahartik | SimonRaven: I wonder what character set, encoding and language was HpBaxxter using... |
| 12:01.28 | johill | russian! at least the ip |
| 12:01.41 | SimonRaven | i have no idea, it wasn't utf-8 for sure, or one of the latin ones. probably KOI-* |
| 12:11.22 | Bor_Ed | descr: Neftekamsk Net |
| 12:11.23 | Bor_Ed | country: RU |
| 12:11.30 | Bor_Ed | it was koi- |
| 12:11.45 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 12:11.50 | SimonRaven | hi Bor_Ed |
| 12:11.54 | Bor_Ed | anyone switched psu fan to an oldworld? |
| 12:11.55 | Bor_Ed | howdee |
| 12:13.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no, but I am planning to... PowerMacintosh 7300 and maybe 7500... |
| 12:13.39 | Bor_Ed | my server got fan just buggered... got to bring the thingy down after only ~300 days |
| 12:13.56 | Bor_Ed | just found nice ppro/180 cpu fan to replace the old :D |
| 12:14.16 | SimonRaven | yeh. i just replace them with the a psu from the same model |
| 12:14.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I do not yet know what kind of fan to get, as both are used as DVB servers and are busy :) |
| 12:15.03 | Bor_Ed | I'm thinking of trying to run the box completely without fan, the psu is only one anyway |
| 12:15.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, debian 2.6 kernels work with quik too? |
| 12:17.03 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: got request from parents to make PowerMacintosh 7300 more quiet... |
| 12:17.32 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: yes |
| 12:17.47 | SimonRaven | you can even gzip the kernels |
| 12:17.50 | Bor_Ed | whoops, bootx, like quik works on the server... |
| 12:22.11 | Bor_Ed | hey, what's the mkvmlinuz bootloader? |
| 12:22.20 | Bor_Ed | and does that work on oldworld? |
| 12:45.29 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: got direct url for the systemdisk which patches OF? I don't have browser on this box to check out :) |
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| 12:56.46 | micr0jackson | ello |
| 12:58.58 | micr0jackson | im conflicted and could use some advice. i really enjoy debian, but hear that gentoo is a lot speedier. speed is very important to me (im on a g3 pismo) but i hate the compile time with gentoo. is there really that big of a difference? |
| 13:06.22 | pahartik | micr0jackson: if you wish to build custom (optimized for "--mcpu=750") Debian packages of certain applications or libraries, you can... |
| 13:06.57 | micr0jackson | interesting, i should look that up |
| 13:11.17 | micr0jackson | also, it seems that os-x tiger runs faster on my g3 than gnome or kde on debian. is this because i dont really know how to configure the direct rendering for my video card? |
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| 15:55.10 | Bor_Ed | hehe, put a new fan to psu, removed the one at the front of the case and installed a 45mm fan over the 'heatsink' of the cpu... box is dead silent except for the HD accessews |
| 15:59.55 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it is same size and form of PSU as in PowerMacintosh 7500? |
| 16:01.01 | Bor_Ed | ~12x10x8 cm... and ~80mm fan inside |
| 16:03.24 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: do you have old fan around now? |
| 16:03.37 | Bor_Ed | yup... a sec, I'll pick up an image |
| 16:04.04 | Bor_Ed | in commercial break on simpsons :D |
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| 16:07.45 | Bor_Ed | can you dcc get? |
| 16:09.00 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I am listening to "Norpan maailma"... could watch "Simpsons" at same time but I have not figured out how to mix audio so that "VLC" plays audio while "gxine" shows video... though that radio show is stored on disk by weekly timer anyway |
| 16:09.19 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I can use "HTTP" and "rsync" |
| 16:09.20 | Bor_Ed | use esd, arts, jackd or so |
| 16:09.30 | Bor_Ed | but not irc dcc? :o |
| 16:11.37 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: wget ftp://fi.homelinux.net/IMG_0687.JPG |
| 16:11.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I can play several audio streams with ALSA just fine by default settings, for example with two players I mentioned... but I would like to mute one player (or at least make it really quiet) and let other play... |
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| 16:13.11 | Bor_Ed | got the file yet? |
| 16:14.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: yes, thank you... I can see which item is fan, but I cannot quite see possible text on label of it |
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| 16:15.22 | Bor_Ed | aww... NMBb MODEL 3110KL-04W-B20 12V DC 1.14A DC BRUSHLESS FAN MOTOR MINEBEA CO, LTD MADE IN THAILAND |
| 16:15.45 | Bor_Ed | 0.14A .. dang typos |
| 16:15.58 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: that helped |
| 16:16.03 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 16:16.18 | Bor_Ed | should've asked in the first place :) |
| 16:16.55 | Bor_Ed | the psu has had repair before too, april 2000 |
| 16:17.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I will go and get matching fan on monday... |
| 16:17.53 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 16:18.13 | Bor_Ed | it's just basic device fan... the replacement I got was from ppro/180 :D |
| 16:19.55 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: some decent fan should be something between 20 and 30 EUR at local store |
| 16:20.12 | Bor_Ed | vekoy.com has at 6-10 euros |
| 16:20.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: where is that? |
| 16:20.54 | Bor_Ed | downtown vaasa |
| 16:25.26 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: all right, maybe ~15 EUR would be close to reality for decent fan |
| 16:26.04 | Bor_Ed | yup... the one I have now in was ball bearing model... had to hack the wires together though since I didn't have suitable connectors |
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| 16:37.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I wonder if this "DC12V, 28mA, 0.35W, 1000 RPM, 9dBA" fan would be enough... would be low power and quiet |
| 16:37.22 | Bor_Ed | probably not enough air flow |
| 16:38.03 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: possibly... |
| 16:38.28 | Bor_Ed | btw, the fan I dropped in has .160A current instead of the original... yet the noise didn't increase a bit |
| 16:42.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: next fan on same store is "DC12V, 75mA, 0.9W, 2050 RPM, 19dBA" |
| 16:43.17 | Bor_Ed | still looks like too small |
| 16:44.49 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: do you know CFM value for that original fan? |
| 16:45.58 | Bor_Ed | not a slightest idea |
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| 16:50.48 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: original fan is not broken and not particularly noisy either, but point is to make DVB server more quiet... and it would still be only fan in that PowerMacintosh 7300... ("http://www.bdog.fi/cgi-bin/netstore/tuote.pl?tuote=0180700011790" is what I am looking at) |
| 16:51.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you can run the psu fanless too if you rip the casing off |
| 16:51.35 | Bor_Ed | (from the psi) |
| 16:53.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: that would probably cause some interference on DVB tuners and audio and video output... :) |
| 16:53.26 | Bor_Ed | naa :D |
| 16:53.59 | Bor_Ed | the fan looks pretty much the similar I had replacing the old one |
| 16:55.20 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I can watch logfiles before and after replacing fan as larger SCSI harddisk are recent enough to report temperature |
| 16:56.27 | Bor_Ed | mmkay then... I don't have no way to report temp on the server except trying to grill HK bleu behind the psu :) |
| 16:59.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I do not want to hang tofu behind it |
| 17:00.14 | Bor_Ed | well, I'll get the HK date expired too before it's done... |
| 17:01.40 | Q-FUNK | it seems that Osuuskunta Sange is involved in some netcafé thingie in Helsinki, near the parliament. Free wifi. |
| 17:01.58 | Bor_Ed | never heard of... |
| 17:02.06 | Q-FUNK | café soihtu |
| 17:02.19 | Bor_Ed | and ain't hellsinks full of open wifi hotspots? :) |
| 17:02.23 | Q-FUNK | thye have a web site |
| 17:02.28 | Q-FUNK | nope |
| 17:02.33 | Q-FUNK | this is a wifi deadzone |
| 17:02.46 | Bor_Ed | at least vaasa has one in ~every block |
| 17:02.59 | Bor_Ed | even here a bit out from the downtown |
| 17:03.06 | Q-FUNK | it took for a former nokia manager to fund a small network to cover Esplanade to get anything |
| 17:03.13 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 17:03.23 | Q-FUNK | oulu, vaasa, lahti, ... turku too, i think |
| 17:03.26 | Q-FUNK | but not helsinki |
| 17:03.39 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: damn that 802.11b, they should have Bluetooth 2.0... |
| 17:03.53 | Q-FUNK | the mayor said that it would be anit-competitive for the city to compete with eventualy private entities who might want to sell wifi services |
| 17:04.04 | Bor_Ed | we just have too many n00bs with surina dsl... surina gives free wifi dsl box to new customers :D |
| 17:04.18 | Q-FUNK | yet another case of kokoomus making fools of themselves. |
| 17:04.23 | Bor_Ed | and the security is what is on common M$ users |
| 17:05.03 | Q-FUNK | (hki mayor is kokoomus) |
| 17:05.42 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: well, bluetooth is meant for short-range appliance intercommunication. |
| 17:05.43 | Bor_Ed | nice to know he has secured the wifi hotspots around there |
| 17:12.39 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: well, it does have profile for use as wireless LAN... http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN |
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| 21:12.57 | witch | I want to compile a new kernel for my mac mini. Where do I fetch trthe source? kernel.org? |
| 21:15.57 | _rene_ | yes. or the debian kernel source. |
| 21:16.26 | _rene_ | there's no extra stuff needed for ppc. the only people which have stuff externally afaik are m68k and mips* |
| 21:18.23 | witch | and airport extreme? |
| 21:19.08 | witch | I have read I need the driver from http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ for that |
| 21:19.19 | _rene_ | yes |
| 21:19.46 | _rene_ | how's there a question? it's a fact. |
| 21:20.03 | _rene_ | but that doesn't have to do with the kernel itself |
| 21:20.11 | _rene_ | it's just a seperate kernel module. |
| 21:20.54 | _rene_ | but also note the driver is still work-in-progress and there are some issues |
| 21:20.58 | _rene_ | in usage for example |
| 21:21.41 | _rene_ | see the debian sid packages' README.Debian :-) |
| 21:22.48 | _rene_ | (hmm, mention that, there may be a bug there that the file is not in all packages. checking ) |
| 21:23.29 | witch | Debian has only kernel sources up to 2.6.8 for sound I need something up from 2.6.12, I think |
| 21:24.06 | _rene_ | wrong. |
| 21:24.19 | _rene_ | debian stable has, yes |
| 21:24.31 | _rene_ | but there's backports.iorg |
| 21:24.47 | _rene_ | not to mention for bcm43xx you need 2.6.15 (with patch) or 2.6.16-rcX |
| 21:26.34 | witch | strange: The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: |
| 21:26.34 | witch | 2.6.15.5 |
| 21:26.42 | witch | but th elink is a patch only |
| 21:27.36 | _rene_ | yes. against 2.6.15. use ftp. |
| 21:28.04 | _rene_ | or http, or whetever you want |
| 21:28.21 | _rene_ | or use the linux-source backport on backports.org |
| 21:28.22 | witch | ah, the link is behind "F" |
| 21:34.39 | witch | linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-6bpo1_all.deb? |
| 21:36.05 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 21:36.10 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15.5, prepatch: 2.6.16-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.16-rc5-git7, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.16-rc5-mm2 |
| 21:37.43 | witch | ppckernel.org tells this the source code for 2.6.16-rc5 is available but could not be built. Last build attempted |
| 21:38.27 | Q-FUNK | nice |
| 21:39.38 | SimonRaven | 2.6.15.5 won't build from scratch either, fs/nfs/direct.c needs a small patch |
| 21:43.14 | witch | seems I need to read my own HOWTO to build a new kernel |
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| 21:51.52 | witch | I wonder why neither the kernel-sourcre package nor the kernel-package have a dependency, that one just can do everything |
| 21:52.48 | witch | there is also a libncursesw5-dev beside libncurses5-dev ... hmmm |
| 22:04.26 | _rene_ | witch: why should they? the compilers are build-essential |
| 22:04.35 | _rene_ | libncurses5-dev isn't required either |
| 22:04.40 | _rene_ | people can do make xconfig |
| 22:04.59 | _rene_ | or something else |
| 22:05.04 | _rene_ | or even make config or make oldconfig |
| 22:05.33 | witch | but make menuconfig needs ncurses-dev |
| 22:06.37 | witch | Oum, so much things in 2.6 I do not know. ... Searching exapmle config for mac mini... |
| 22:18.58 | _rene_ | witch: and? as I said, make menuconfig is not the only thing you can do with the kernel source |
| 22:19.12 | _rene_ | although I do agree that it may be added as Suggests or Recommends |
| 22:19.16 | _rene_ | but not as a Depends |
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| 22:57.36 | witch | will ever a kernel build without warnings? |
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| 23:27.33 | SimonRaven | your kernel tree is incomplete |
| 23:31.33 | tcsetattr | if you patched from 2.6.15 up to 2.6.16-rc you may have to manually fix the include/asm symlink |
| 23:32.03 | SimonRaven | yeh that's true |
| 23:32.05 | tcsetattr | it's switching from "ppc" to "powerpc" |
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| 23:48.18 | witch | I fetched the kernel-source from backports.org |
