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| 00:52.35 | forrest | is there a program to run mac os programs under linux |
| 00:56.25 | sloopy | forrest, MOL but it is more of an entire mac os environment |
| 00:56.49 | sloopy | http://www.maconlinux.org/ |
| 01:06.19 | avar | mm, more like vmware than wine |
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| 01:39.56 | Alver | Hello. I've installed sarge on an imac g3, but I've ran into troubles getting XFree86 up. It errors out, saying "R128(0)°: Cannot read V_BIOS" and "R128(0): No DFP detected". |
| 01:52.21 | Alver | ... ok, this is even kinkier. I added UseFBDev to the config file, and now it boots straight into X - while the keyboard is dead. |
| 02:15.31 | Alver | Fixed it. Apparently xdm doesn't like imacs |
| 02:32.14 | SimonRaven | hi sloopy :) |
| 02:32.35 | SimonRaven | Alver: cannot read bios messages are useless |
| 02:32.42 | sloopy | SimonRaven, hey bro, whats the good word? :') |
| 02:33.03 | Alver | SimonRaven: aye, after disabling xdm all was fine |
| 02:33.13 | Alver | I did have to boot an ubuntu rescue disk to get that though |
| 02:33.14 | SimonRaven | oh man, life is good. tough but good. creator blesses me every day |
| 02:33.14 | SimonRaven | Alver: ok |
| 02:33.28 | Alver | Because for some odd reason, I couldn't get to a tty anymore |
| 02:33.57 | SimonRaven | sloopy: how about you? doing ok? |
| 02:34.08 | sloopy | a life without challanges is no life at all... |
| 02:34.34 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 02:34.40 | SimonRaven | pretty boring ;) |
| 02:35.12 | sloopy | i am doing ok... i dont have a ppc machine anymore (they all died :'/ ) but one is in the mail so hopefully soon... in the meantime i am slumming it on a pc with win xp media edition |
| 02:36.30 | SimonRaven | oooh :(. too bad. that's good. slumming indeed, xp?! poor you |
| 02:36.32 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:38.15 | sloopy | yeah, cant run linux on it yet (a required mobo driver is in x64 but not x86 yet... so i am waiting for it to matriculate over :') |
| 02:38.30 | SimonRaven | finally got to drum tonight! :D been a month without singing or drumming, and i was slowly going nuts, and didn't realise it til tonight. also a good freind and brother came in from kanesatake to sing with us. he's like old school, 15 years drumming |
| 02:38.35 | SimonRaven | aah |
| 02:38.44 | SimonRaven | it was fricking great |
| 02:42.48 | Alver | Oh, by the way, is there an unofficial apt repository for debian/ppc that provides eg. mplayer? Like Marillat does for x86 ... |
| 02:43.03 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 02:43.25 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 02:43.54 | SimonRaven | @mplayer |
| 02:43.54 | ravenbird | deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main for the source, and deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ for PPC .debs |
| 02:46.18 | Alver | Aha! Nice. Thanks. |
| 03:04.34 | sloopy | SimonRaven, sweet, have anything to play for the stereo i just threw in my car? |
| 03:06.33 | SimonRaven | lemme find an intertribal. it's not me singing but chances are we do sing it :) |
| 03:17.00 | SimonRaven | enjoy :) |
| 03:31.28 | sloopy | ty |
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| 04:29.14 | Alver | Building my first ppc kernel. |
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| 11:45.58 | ferran_ | hi |
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| 11:52.06 | Alver | Bah... kernel works fine, except... no eth1 :) |
| 11:56.07 | pahartik | Alver: what did you expect on "eth1"? network interface provided by "eth1394" driver? |
| 11:56.35 | Alver | pahartik: eth1 is the builtin ethernet. Firewire ethernet would be eth2 |
| 11:56.42 | Alver | eth0 is the airport |
| 11:57.26 | Alver | I probably disabled an option too many in the config... hehe. Though gotta say, my first attempt at a ppc kernel went pretty smooth |
| 11:59.16 | pahartik | Alver: oh, that... if it is recent PowerMacintosh, make sure "CONFIG_SUNGEM" is enabled on "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 12:01.02 | Alver | It's an imac g3 |
| 12:01.08 | Alver | funny thing is, the sungem module is loaded |
| 12:02.08 | Alver | Anyway, I'm recompiling at the moment. I used the config from the working debian stock kernel, and went from there without touching the network parts. |
| 12:02.18 | Alver | Safest way to do things I guess. :) |
| 12:03.11 | Q-FUNK | Alver: iMac G3? with or without firewire? |
| 12:03.20 | Q-FUNK | oh. with. |
| 12:03.23 | Alver | Q-FUNK: two firewire ports |
| 12:03.29 | Alver | "snow" edition... nice toy |
| 12:03.52 | Q-FUNK | I was gonna say, I have a kernel compiled specifically for an iMac G3, but I don't have firerwire compiled on mine. |
| 12:04.32 | Q-FUNK | I have a 333Mhz Blueberry. |
| 12:04.35 | Alver | Doesn't matter much. I disabled the firewire. |
| 12:04.44 | Q-FUNK | just before thye came up with Firewire. |
| 12:04.46 | Alver | I don't have a use for it so I might as well strip it |
| 12:04.50 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 12:04.56 | Q-FUNK | you might wanna try my kernel, then |
| 12:05.25 | Alver | Does it have airport support? |
| 12:05.29 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: oh, when did you get that? |
| 12:05.46 | Q-FUNK | http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/ |
| 12:06.04 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: erm... same iMac as before? Blueberry 333Mhz |
| 12:06.37 | Q-FUNK | Alver: it doesn't but I could add it. |
| 12:06.55 | Alver | Q-FUNK: 's okay. I should get myself used to ppc kernels anyway |
| 12:07.28 | Q-FUNK | it has sungem and bmac ethernet enabled, though, so you should at least get basic connectivity. |
| 12:08.27 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: I thought your workstation was "Bondi Blue" iMac... with 233 or 266 MHz PowerPC 750 CPU... but it would not be surprising if my memory is distorted |
| 12:08.34 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: or did you mean the new CSS on my homepage? |
| 12:09.02 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: 750 it indeed is, but 333MHz Blueberry. |
| 12:09.44 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: much better then, except for still missing IEEE-1394 :) |
| 12:10.18 | Q-FUNK | I don't have any use for IEEE-1394 anyhow, so no big deal :) |
| 12:11.07 | Alver | Well, the gf has at least |
| 12:11.31 | Alver | Do you guys know if there's any known issue with imac's CRT going bad after a few years? |
| 12:11.40 | Alver | This one has a history of acting funny once in a while |
| 12:12.40 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: IEEE-1394 is only useful if one needs fast interface for external devices, including network with other computers |
| 12:13.27 | Q-FUNK | Alver: any CRT goes bad after a few years. heck, any electronic device does. |
| 12:13.55 | Alver | Q-FUNK: sometimes the image gets all wobbly (squished together), and the machine locks up. |
| 12:16.39 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: I got embedded Linux device working as Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 access point... still need to figure out how to get it set up as ethernet bridge automatically at power up |
| 12:19.19 | pahartik | Alver: sounds like PSU failure... |
| 12:19.43 | Alver | pahartik: ah? |
| 12:21.05 | Alver | Hmmm, compiling a kernel is dead slow on ppc... heh |
| 12:21.20 | Alver | At least on *this* ppc it is ;) |
| 12:21.22 | Q-FUNK | no, it's not |
| 12:21.34 | Alver | Q-FUNK: the one yesterday took 80 minutes |
| 12:21.46 | Q-FUNK | funny. here, it takes about 20 minutes. |
| 12:22.02 | Alver | Hehe well... I still have lots of stuff enabled that I probably don't need. |
| 12:22.19 | Q-FUNK | you might wanna start with my kernel, then add firewire and airport support. |
| 12:22.22 | Alver | Hopefully it'll go faster once I manage to strip more useless stuff. |
| 12:22.40 | Alver | Do you have the config for it up somewhere? |
| 12:22.44 | Alver | Could help indeed |
| 12:22.53 | Q-FUNK | just install this one and copy the config |
| 12:23.11 | Q-FUNK | or well... hang on |
| 12:23.31 | Alver | Woo. You run a PA-RISC too? |
| 12:23.33 | Alver | Funky |
| 12:23.41 | Alver | Thanks |
| 12:23.43 | Q-FUNK | there |
| 12:23.45 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 12:23.51 | pahartik | Alver: disable all PCI devices that are not on-board... as it is not possible to connect those easily... |
| 12:23.57 | Q-FUNK | a series 9000 model 712 workstation |
| 12:24.21 | Alver | pahartik: did that already, but I'm not 100% known with the internals of the imac yet |
| 12:24.34 | Alver | So there's probably way too much other stuff still |
| 12:24.37 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: i already have al of that disabled |
| 12:24.43 | Alver | Q-FUNK: not tempted to run HP-UX on it? |
| 12:24.47 | pahartik | Alver: "lspci" shows everything about that |
| 12:24.57 | Q-FUNK | Alver: make usr you install the initramfs-tools and mikinird-tools |
| 12:25.16 | Alver | Q-FUNK: I never do kernels with initrd, personally |
| 12:25.47 | Q-FUNK | Alver: me neither, but on debian, it has become a necessity. too many things don't work right with monolithic kernels, nowadays |
| 12:25.54 | Alver | Hm? |
| 12:26.13 | Alver | I run debian on my x86 desktop for quite a while without it |
| 12:26.20 | Q-FUNK | ohci_hcd |
| 12:26.20 | Q-FUNK | usbhid |
| 12:26.20 | pahartik | Alver: my kernels boot without initrd image as well... have not bothered on learning how to create those... |
| 12:26.22 | Alver | All it needed was reiserfs compiled in |
| 12:26.32 | Alver | Q-FUNK: those work fine as modules, without initrd |
| 12:26.57 | Q-FUNK | yup, but if bootup fails and the modules are not loaded, you have no keyboard to go and fix things |
| 12:27.14 | Alver | Ahh, heh - right. Mac usb keyboards |
| 12:27.27 | Alver | Yea, that could pose a problem then |
| 12:27.42 | Q-FUNK | so you need to at least load those 2 in your initrramfs modules list |
| 12:28.07 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: all right, there is good point... |
| 12:28.31 | Q-FUNK | using the ramdisk has become a lot easier than it used to be |
| 12:29.18 | Q-FUNK | it's just a matter of making a list of essential modules in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and then running the updating script |
| 12:29.35 | Q-FUNK | it also helps if udev is installed |
| 12:29.48 | Q-FUNK | and on pre-Etch releases, also hotplug |
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| 12:30.28 | Q-FUNK | on Etch, udev auto-detecs most of the essential modules and puts them up for loading already at the initrd stage. |
| 12:31.36 | Q-FUNK | and part of the udev scripts are copied into the initrd image, so they handle things pretty much automatically. |
| 12:33.16 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: it should help if one keeps at least one functional generic kernel provided by Debian installed... |
| 12:35.11 | Q-FUNK | they have stopped making those generic installer kernels |
| 12:35.53 | Q-FUNK | the install kernels and the normal ones only differ by the missing documentation, IIRC, which means thta install kernels come as udeb packages. |
| 12:42.32 | Alver | Alrighty, kernel is done. Lessee what it does. |
| 12:49.51 | Alver | No. I'll use your config for a starter |
| 12:50.00 | Alver | Q-FUNK: you optimize for size? |
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| 14:28.41 | Alver | Q-FUNK: compiling a kernel with your config took 38 minutes here |
| 14:28.46 | Alver | Gotta love 'time' :) |
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| 14:31.39 | Q-FUNK | right |
| 14:31.47 | Q-FUNK | a lot shorter than what you had earlier then :) |
| 14:31.53 | Q-FUNK | does it work any better? |
| 14:31.55 | Alver | less than half |
| 14:32.52 | Alver | Heh, no, I tried disabling the initrd and compile in the usb stuff for the keyboard, but it doesn't work |
| 14:33.02 | Alver | I'm at a nice login prompt I can't type at. :P |
| 14:33.09 | Q-FUNK | told ya |
| 14:33.33 | Alver | Which is rather kinky since in my earlier one, I did get it up |
| 14:33.35 | Q-FUNK | it's also a good idea to compile this as a kernel package, so that it automatically runs the initrd updating scripts |
| 14:34.10 | Alver | I compiled USB support straight in. Most curious how it doesn't find the keyboard |
| 14:34.32 | Q-FUNK | you need usb-hid |
| 14:34.47 | Q-FUNK | sorry, usdhid |
| 14:34.50 | Q-FUNK | argh |
| 14:34.53 | Q-FUNK | usbhid |
| 14:35.42 | Alver | Aha. Right... funny, I shouldn't have disabled that |
| 14:43.47 | Alver | Q-FUNK: no builtin ethernet. |
| 14:44.11 | Alver | sungem was compiled in though |
| 14:44.13 | Alver | hrm. |
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| 14:49.35 | pahartik | Alver: do you need "CONFIG_BMAC" in "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" instead? |
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| 14:50.16 | Alver | lspci at least says it's a Sun GEM |
| 14:50.50 | Alver | BMAC is compiled in too anyway |
| 14:55.05 | Alver | ah SHEESH. |
| 14:55.33 | Alver | It switched places with the airport, the airport tried to do a dhcp and failed, and the builtin was never even touched ;) |
| 14:55.41 | Alver | eth0 is builtin now. Pretty. |
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| 15:03.41 | Alver | Has anyone tried using a ralink wifi card in linux/ppc? |
| 15:03.56 | Alver | the driver manages to compile, but doesn't get the card up. |
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| 18:28.50 | newb_ppc | Hy |
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| 21:21.42 | Debian-user | greetings everybody |
| 21:22.01 | Debian-user | anyone here? |
| 21:22.33 | Corsac | yea |
| 21:23.17 | Debian-user | can you give me some info on Debian-PPC? |
| 21:23.51 | Debian-user | is there a live-CD of Debian PPC? |
| 21:24.38 | Debian-user | Corsac: ? |
| 21:25.02 | Debian-user | ok next time. bye |
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| 22:30.07 | alberto | hi |
| 22:30.29 | alberto | I have a problem with x sice I upgraded today |
| 22:30.33 | alberto | I only can join x as root |
| 22:32.17 | alberto | .xsession-errors |
| 22:32.17 | alberto | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 22:32.17 | alberto | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "pepito" |
| 22:32.20 | alberto | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 22:32.22 | alberto | mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied |
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| 22:43.03 | YIP | hi, ive got a question about installing linux on my old beige g3 powermac |
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| 22:43.57 | YIP | i dont have mac os installed, neither do i have macos on any disks... |
| 22:44.36 | YIP | how can i boot linux from cd (any distro that works)???? |
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