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| 05:57.14 | jrwr | How do i run mac os9/x programs on linux ppc |
| 06:25.54 | pahartik | jrwr: "apt-cache search Mac-on-Linux" |
| 06:28.57 | jrwr | what if i dont have a copy of macos |
| 06:29.34 | pahartik | jrwr: then you get one? |
| 06:31.18 | pahartik | jrwr: then you run "ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped" binaries instead? |
| 06:36.05 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 09:34.11 | alberto | hi |
| 09:34.20 | alberto | somone in sid using gdm? |
| 09:34.31 | alberto | since yesterday I cant join X except being root |
| 09:34.47 | alberto | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 09:34.47 | alberto | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "alberto" |
| 09:34.50 | alberto | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 09:34.53 | alberto | mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied |
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| 10:12.19 | Alver | Hello... having issues with rhythmbox on deb/ppc. It gives a corba error first, and doesn't play music anymore. |
| 10:12.23 | Alver | The first ~0.5 second plays fine, after that it's clicks |
| 10:13.09 | Alver | xmms play fine, so it's not a system problem, probably. |
| 10:19.17 | Corsac | maybe an issue with gstreamer 0.10 |
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| 11:32.30 | alberto | Q-FUNK: hi |
| 11:32.33 | alberto | are you using sid? |
| 11:32.37 | alberto | I need someone in sid |
| 11:32.47 | alberto | I cant join X launching startX neither with gdm |
| 11:32.50 | alberto | only if I am root |
| 11:32.53 | Alver | Corsac: funny enough, it worked before. No idea what caused this. |
| 11:32.56 | alberto | since I upgraded yesterday |
| 11:33.04 | Alver | And I didn't update anything in the meantime either. |
| 11:33.49 | Q-FUNK | alberto: please file a bug about this. the maintainer uploaded an experimental release into unstable. it was expected to break. |
| 11:34.14 | Q-FUNK | oh wait... not even with startx? |
| 11:34.31 | Q-FUNK | I thought you were only talking about gdm |
| 11:35.01 | Corsac | Alver: about the fr.powerpc ? |
| 11:35.26 | Alver | Corsac: the gstreamer issue |
| 11:35.39 | Alver | it's in debian sarge too, so I doubt it's got gst0.10 yet |
| 11:35.50 | Alver | 0.8 sounds more likely |
| 11:36.56 | alberto | Q-FUNK: but if I downgrade, I have same problem |
| 11:36.59 | alberto | since I upgraded |
| 11:37.15 | Q-FUNK | that's very odd |
| 11:42.37 | Corsac | Alver: i've downgraded quodlibet because the most recent one uses gstreamer 0.10 (and doesn't work) |
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| 16:58.01 | fulldisclosure | hji |
| 16:58.19 | fulldisclosure | since I upgraded my debian sid yesterday I cant enter X being an normal user |
| 16:58.21 | fulldisclosure | only as root |
| 16:58.25 | fulldisclosure | gdm gave me this error |
| 16:58.40 | fulldisclosure | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.40 | fulldisclosure | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "alberto" |
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| 21:33.28 | Apodemos | someone known what is the kernel module for the cpu temperature for ibook? |
| 21:36.05 | SimonRaven | you mean the TAU? it's not ibook-specific |
| 21:37.18 | Apodemos | i use the pmu |
| 21:37.43 | Apodemos | with the 2.6.16rc5 kernel for use the airport |
| 21:38.02 | Apodemos | but with the default kernel the fa work often but now no |
| 21:38.03 | SimonRaven | yes... but the cpu temp isn't ibook specific. it's a cpu feature in g3 and up |
| 21:38.13 | Apodemos | ok |
| 21:38.27 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 21:38.31 | Apodemos | i see the modules |
| 21:39.05 | Apodemos | but i would like to see the cpu and gpu temperature on the desktop |
| 21:39.05 | SimonRaven | under Processor > CONFIG_TAU=y |
| 21:39.17 | Apodemos | i go to see now |
| 21:39.25 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:40.10 | Apodemos | under processor i haven't tau |
| 21:40.35 | SimonRaven | it's not enabled. is this a debian kernel, or your own build? |
| 21:40.43 | Apodemos | i have only the type the altivec Support and the support for multiprocessor |
| 21:40.59 | Apodemos | it is a custom kernel |
| 21:41.03 | Apodemos | from vanilla sources |
| 21:41.27 | SimonRaven | you'll have to rebuild the kernel, it's not modular (see the help at the top of menuconfig) |
| 21:42.37 | Apodemos | ok i find tau |
| 21:43.03 | Apodemos | it is under platform support |
| 21:43.19 | Apodemos | and i have it in static mode |
| 21:44.13 | Apodemos | but when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo there isnt the temperature |
| 21:45.52 | jelabarre | for the current (3.1 stable) Debian PPC, how do you configure the boot image for a PReP system (43P-140)? I know how to use DD to write it to the partition, but I have to build a boot image with the hard-cided parameters so it will know where to find the ROOT partition, etc/ |
| 21:47.27 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_TAU=y should be yes, otherwise it's not enabled. |
| 21:47.39 | SimonRaven | er, CONFIG_TAU= |
| 21:47.44 | Apodemos | yes i have it set to yes |
| 21:48.25 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/cpuinfo; temperature : 31 C (uncalibrated) |
| 21:48.50 | SimonRaven | jelabarre: *shrug* |
| 21:49.54 | Apodemos | can i paste you my result? |
| 21:51.14 | SimonRaven | @paste |
| 21:51.16 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 21:51.49 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 21:51.50 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debianppc or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debianppc, and paste away. |
| 21:51.54 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o SimonRaven] by SimonRaven |
| 21:53.25 | Apodemos | Simon: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7pyGhi81.html |
| 21:55.05 | Apodemos | i use a website for paste i give you the url do you have seen it? |
| 21:57.08 | SimonRaven | something strnge going on. that's a "G4"; and the bogomips is all wrong, it should be about double the MHz |
| 21:57.49 | Apodemos | i known but i can't understend this :( |
| 21:57.56 | SimonRaven | could also be that cpu temp ins't shown in that particular chip, but is from some sort of sensor, or pmu .. not sure |
| 21:58.03 | SimonRaven | isn't* |
| 21:58.48 | Apodemos | there are some sensor for the cpu |
| 21:59.11 | SimonRaven | yeh, so you'll have to enable those |
| 21:59.13 | Apodemos | Do you know why my bogomips are wrong? |
| 21:59.20 | SimonRaven | no |
| 21:59.39 | pahartik | Apodemos: do you mean you want to see "/sys/devices/temperatures/"? |
| 21:59.51 | Apodemos | yes |
| 21:59.52 | SimonRaven | ah ha |
| 21:59.53 | Apodemos | but |
| 22:00.06 | SimonRaven | \o/ pahartik |
| 22:00.51 | Apodemos | yes but it is the really temperatures? |
| 22:01.24 | Apodemos | i have this question because |
| 22:01.45 | Apodemos | with the default kernel the fan work often |
| 22:01.52 | Apodemos | but with this kernel no |
| 22:02.03 | Apodemos | and i have a wrong bogomips |
| 22:02.34 | Apodemos | what is the g4's type in the kernel? |
| 22:02.37 | jelabarre | the other question for the 43P: if I ever *was* able to get a Linux install to install and boot on the system, would I even be able to use the graphical console on the machine? Or would I be stuck with (effectively) a headless system (which would be useless for my purposes) |
| 22:03.02 | SimonRaven | well, i'd go over your config, and go over it carefully |
| 22:03.08 | Apodemos | is 6xx/7xx/74xx right? |
| 22:03.14 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:03.24 | SimonRaven | cpu : 7447A |
| 22:03.38 | SimonRaven | g4 is 74xx |
| 22:04.00 | SimonRaven | g3 is 7xx, and the first gen. ppcs have 6xx and 4xx |
| 22:04.19 | Apodemos | so this ok |
| 22:04.20 | SimonRaven | (i'm missing some ...) |
| 22:05.09 | Apodemos | only one moment |
| 22:05.15 | SimonRaven | jelabarre: *i* don't know, i haven't even *seen* a rs/6k never mind sat in front of one. other folks will |
| 22:07.45 | Apodemos | i'm here |
| 22:07.47 | Apodemos | :) |
| 22:08.18 | Apodemos | I think that my cpu type was wrong so i write "so this ok " |
| 22:08.59 | Apodemos | i see that i haven't the alivec support |
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| 22:10.39 | SimonRaven | you'll need to enable that ;) |
| 22:11.06 | Apodemos | i compile now the kernel :) |
| 22:11.07 | Apodemos | eheheh |
| 22:11.23 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 22:11.36 | Apodemos | Simon you are very kinf |
| 22:11.40 | Apodemos | *kind |
| 22:12.23 | Apodemos | ahhah now the fan is started |
| 22:12.30 | Apodemos | :) |
| 22:13.30 | SimonRaven | thank you |
| 22:13.55 | Apodemos | now the fan work |
| 22:14.35 | Apodemos | thankyou very much simon |
| 22:14.47 | SimonRaven | cool. np |
| 22:15.58 | pahartik | Apodemos: my configuration file for iBook G4 (late 2004): http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/config-2.6.15-kiara-pahartik |
| 22:16.10 | Apodemos | thanks :) |
| 22:17.12 | Apodemos | what do yuo use for special keys like the volumes and monitor light? |
| 22:17.18 | SimonRaven | @pahartik's ibook kernel config is <reply>iBook G4 (late 2004): http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/config-2.6.15-kiara-pahartik |
| 22:17.19 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 22:17.47 | SimonRaven | pahartik: change it as you will; the bot groks perl stuff like s/foobar/ |
| 22:17.52 | SimonRaven | er |
| 22:18.09 | SimonRaven | s/foo/bar/ |
| 22:18.24 | SimonRaven | e.g., @factoid =~ s/foo/bar/ |
| 22:18.31 | Apodemos | thankyou pahartik :) |
| 22:21.50 | pahartik | SimonRaven: "perl stuff"? :) is it not more like "sed stuff"? |
| 22:22.58 | SimonRaven | yeh, but =~ is perl |
| 22:23.28 | SimonRaven | and it's a perl-based bot |
| 22:24.46 | Apodemos | simon where are you from? |
| 22:27.26 | Apodemos | sorry i ask only for curiosity |
| 22:29.32 | SimonRaven | .ca. specifically moose lake/bonnyville area in northern alberta |
| 22:29.57 | Apodemos | i'm from italy |
| 22:30.48 | Apodemos | Simon i have another error on the drm |
| 22:31.24 | Apodemos | but i tell you soon |
| 22:33.17 | Apodemos | ops |
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| 22:33.22 | Apodemos | no soon later... |
| 22:33.32 | Apodemos | sorry |
| 22:34.28 | SimonRaven | no worries |
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| 22:39.19 | Apodemos | :) |
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| 23:04.19 | Apodemos | i reboot :) |
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| 23:12.54 | Apodemos | Simon : my bogomips are too low :( |
| 23:13.30 | Corsac | all your bogomips are belong to us |
| 23:14.05 | Apodemos | i have only 73 bogomips Corsac |
| 23:14.09 | Apodemos | :( |
| 23:14.26 | Corsac | 73.47, i beat you |
| 23:14.35 | Corsac | you're running 2.6.16-rc, aren't you ? |
| 23:14.59 | Apodemos | yes |
| 23:15.07 | Corsac | :) |
| 23:15.08 | Apodemos | 2.6.16rc5 |
| 23:15.14 | Apodemos | it is a normal thing? |
| 23:15.16 | johill | heh, I only have 36.76 |
| 23:15.22 | johill | yes, it's totally normal |
| 23:15.34 | johill | benh explained it a while ago but I forgot the explanation |
| 23:15.45 | Corsac | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/03/msg00085.html |
| 23:15.49 | Apodemos | johil |
| 23:15.55 | Corsac | explanation is here :) |
| 23:16.08 | johill | yeah that's it :) |
| 23:16.14 | Apodemos | i this morning have 36.76 |
| 23:16.22 | Apodemos | and now 76 |
| 23:16.28 | johill | Apodemos: yes, cpu speed changes |
| 23:16.30 | Corsac | yes, frequency switching |
| 23:16.33 | Corsac | clock : 1499.999000MHz |
| 23:16.37 | Corsac | bogomips : 73.47 |
| 23:16.39 | johill | clock : 833.333000MHz |
| 23:16.41 | johill | bogomips : 36.76 |
| 23:16.47 | Apodemos | a is the cpu frequency scaling |
| 23:16.51 | johill | clock : 1666.666000MHz |
| 23:16.52 | Apodemos | ? |
| 23:16.54 | johill | bogomips : 73.52 |
| 23:17.07 | Corsac | clock : 749.999000MHz |
| 23:17.09 | Corsac | bogomips : 36.73 |
| 23:17.38 | Apodemos | :) |
| 23:17.42 | johill | note that the cpu uses 2 times *more* power in the high state |
| 23:17.59 | johill | so you can actually calculate more stuff in total on a battery if you don't switch to high |
| 23:18.09 | Apodemos | but 76 is not too low? |
| 23:18.09 | johill | even though it takes longer |
| 23:18.17 | johill | Apodemos: see the link corsac posted |
| 23:18.18 | Corsac | it's not really 76 |
| 23:18.19 | Corsac | hey |
| 23:18.26 | Corsac | btw bogomips are *bogo* |
| 23:18.33 | Corsac | they don't mean anything |
| 23:18.51 | johill | they sorta do, but they're used for *timing* not "knowing how fast the cpu is" |
| 23:19.25 | Apodemos | do you now the exactly kernel's module for the temperature sensor? |
| 23:19.44 | johill | therm_adt746x |
| 23:20.21 | Apodemos | ok |
| 23:20.22 | Apodemos | but |
| 23:20.44 | Apodemos | the sensor for cpu temperature for see in gkrellm for example |
| 23:21.52 | Apodemos | ops |
| 23:21.55 | Apodemos | but i have |
| 23:22.05 | johill | no such luck, userland is too stupid to read the values from the adt746x module |
| 23:22.13 | Apodemos | johil i have : |
| 23:22.15 | Apodemos | clock : 1199.999000MHz |
| 23:22.16 | Apodemos | and |
| 23:22.25 | Apodemos | bogomips : 73.47 |
| 23:22.37 | Apodemos | it is a normal thing? |
| 23:22.45 | Apodemos | also with clock 1199? |
| 23:22.51 | johill | so your timebase is exactly as fast as corsacs while the clock is a bit slower |
| 23:22.55 | johill | nothing to worry about |
| 23:23.10 | Apodemos | ok |
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| 23:23.20 | Apodemos | you resolve all my problem thi night |
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| 23:24.04 | Corsac | :( |
| 23:26.02 | Apodemos | why corsac? |
| 23:27.50 | johill | but if anyone's interested in rewriting snd-powermac I might be able to keep an eye open ;) |
| 23:28.02 | Apodemos | heheeh |
| 23:28.05 | Corsac | hmhm, not now |
| 23:28.06 | Corsac | :p |
| 23:28.16 | Corsac | what's the problem with snd-powermac ? |
| 23:28.21 | johill | it's a huge hack |
| 23:28.26 | johill | or rather a huge aggregation of hacks |
| 23:28.39 | johill | and it'll never support the sound in my powermac |
| 23:29.02 | johill | with the nifty optical inputs and outputs :) |
| 23:29.18 | Corsac | arh |
| 23:29.28 | Corsac | i guess i have the right powerbook |
| 23:29.30 | Corsac | ;p |
| 23:29.58 | johill | oh yeah the latest powerbooks (or should that be 'last' now?) also have digital audio |
| 23:30.09 | Corsac | i have the previous one |
| 23:30.13 | Corsac | june 2k5 |
| 23:30.17 | Corsac | without digital audio |
| 23:30.24 | Corsac | but (quite) everything work fine |
| 23:30.26 | johill | me too, just in the higher clock version |
| 23:30.30 | Corsac | mpf |
| 23:30.42 | Corsac | and higher resolution ? |
| 23:30.44 | johill | no |
| 23:30.47 | Corsac | powerbook 5,6 here |
| 23:30.49 | johill | that's the oct 2005 one |
| 23:30.53 | johill | yep, mine too |
| 23:30.58 | Corsac | ok, but 1.67 |
| 23:31.01 | johill | but mine's at 1.67 GHz |
| 23:31.03 | Corsac | ok :) |
| 23:31.08 | johill | yeah :) |
| 23:31.09 | Corsac | and superdrive |
| 23:31.11 | Corsac | right ? |
| 23:31.14 | johill | yes |
| 23:31.17 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:31.19 | johill | and dual-dvi |
| 23:31.38 | johill | (which is borked in linux btw, but you've probably seen the mails on debian-powerpc) |
| 23:31.56 | Corsac | i don't use *one* dvi, so two... |
| 23:32.59 | johill | he no, it doesn't have two dvi outputs |
| 23:33.02 | johill | like two connectors |
| 23:33.12 | johill | just .. bit complicated, I don't quite understand it either |
| 23:33.19 | johill | something about the lvds pins in there |
| 23:33.33 | Corsac | two connectors for one output ? |
| 23:33.44 | johill | no it just has a single connector |
| 23:33.54 | johill | I don't really know why it's "dual dvi" |
| 23:34.03 | johill | I think the point is that it has two lvds transmitters or something |
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| 23:34.30 | johill | so that would mean that with your powerbook you can only drive an external dvi screen in clone mode |
| 23:34.44 | johill | which sounds unlikely, hence I don't actually know what's up :) |
| 23:34.58 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 23:35.03 | Corsac | i never tested dvi output |
| 23:35.09 | Corsac | because i don't have a dvi cable |
| 23:35.26 | Corsac | but i'm using xinerama with the vga adaptor on a videoprojector |
| 23:35.33 | johill | which has dvi? |
| 23:35.47 | Corsac | the videoprojector has, but i don't have a cable |
| 23:35.53 | johill | heh |
| 23:36.02 | Corsac | so i'm using the vga adaptor and plugin in the vga input on the videoproj |
| 23:36.06 | johill | ok, well, if my theory is correct then you can't actually use a dvi cable |
| 23:36.13 | Corsac | :( |
| 23:36.19 | johill | and if it's wrong then you still can't because linux doesn't initialise it properly |
| 23:36.40 | johill | you'd have to boot into osx and you'd also lose the second screen after sleep |
| 23:36.51 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:36.59 | Corsac | (btw i don't use it because i don't have the cable :p) |
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| 23:37.32 | johill | yeah, if you could actually use it then getting a cable might be a worthwhile investment though |
| 23:38.21 | Corsac | is there any other company which builds powerpc laptop ? |
| 23:38.36 | johill | I don't actually know |
| 23:38.44 | johill | in a year or two it might matter to me ;) |
| 23:38.53 | Corsac | :) |
| 23:39.04 | Corsac | we'll be quite lonely |
| 23:39.47 | johill | more than now? ;) |
| 23:40.09 | Corsac | if people switch to x86 or apple-x86, yes :/ |
| 23:41.07 | johill | possibly |
| 23:41.10 | johill | dunno |
| 23:41.12 | johill | we'll see |
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| 23:41.43 | johill | in any case, I'm starting to fall asleep so I better actually go to bed now :) |
| 23:41.55 | Corsac | yeah, i'm completely drunk here |
| 23:42.01 | Corsac | so i'll soon go to bed too |
| 23:42.08 | johill | night |
| 23:42.13 | Corsac | 'night :) |
| 23:42.36 | Apodemos | night ;) |
| 23:43.12 | Apodemos | good bye.. |
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