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| 18:11.42 | Q-FUNK | fsck |
| 18:11.49 | Q-FUNK | the partitioning guide is gone |
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| 18:18.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, any ideas how to boot oldworld mac with a toasted floppy drive? |
| 18:21.42 | Q-FUNK | etherboot? |
| 18:23.56 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to reinstall the mockos actually... buggr is completely done and my only bootloader |
| 18:24.36 | Bor_Ed | the 8.5.1-k1 boots from cd but refuses to install on the box, 8.0 with 8.1 updates doesn't boot and neither does 9.1 :I |
| 18:31.16 | Q-FUNK | mock os, indeed |
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| 18:34.59 | zzsimonb | is there anyone that could help me with an old world g3? |
| 18:39.03 | mute | maybe |
| 18:40.43 | zzsimonb | hahaha ok, i have a g3 with os9 on it, i have an external scsi drive, i am using boot x, debian installs, but whin i bootx into it i get a little penguin logo in the top corner of the screen and thats it... |
| 18:41.08 | zzsimonb | oh debian is on the external scsi |
| 18:42.56 | zzsimonb | debian claims the boot device is /dev/sda2 and that is what i put in bootx |
| 18:43.37 | mute | is there any error message ? |
| 18:43.50 | mute | nothing but the logo ? |
| 18:43.50 | zzsimonb | no, logo and black screen |
| 18:44.25 | mute | that's not easy to solve problems without error :) |
| 18:44.41 | mute | you've juste install debian |
| 18:44.42 | zzsimonb | hahaha i know |
| 18:44.49 | mute | or it was alredy on the disk ? |
| 18:45.10 | zzsimonb | no i installed it (several times) |
| 18:45.28 | zzsimonb | i have tried every which way to sunday |
| 18:45.37 | mute | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 18:45.49 | Bor_Ed | you need correct video= option for the linux |
| 18:45.49 | mute | which one have you take |
| 18:45.51 | zzsimonb | your english is very good |
| 18:46.05 | mute | on my powerbook i have yaboot |
| 18:46.17 | Bor_Ed | the onboard gfx is like video=atyfb:1024x768-60 |
| 18:46.43 | Bor_Ed | that to the append line |
| 18:47.05 | mute | that's good to know |
| 18:47.13 | zzsimonb | ok i have... video=atyfb,vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk:7 |
| 18:47.43 | zzsimonb | so i should change this? |
| 18:47.51 | Bor_Ed | it's worth trying |
| 18:47.58 | zzsimonb | ok hold on |
| 18:48.15 | Bor_Ed | anyway, on g3 it's the same if the drive is internal or external, they're all in same scsi bus |
| 18:48.19 | zzsimonb | should i remove the cmode and mclk? |
| 18:48.44 | zzsimonb | and vmode? |
| 18:48.53 | Bor_Ed | well, I have working stuff with settings I mentioned, struggling with other issues currently on the same hardware though :) |
| 18:51.15 | zzsimonb | hmmm all that happened was the colour of the penguin changed |
| 18:52.04 | Bor_Ed | you have initrd kernel or normal one? |
| 18:53.36 | zzsimonb | ok, please be gentle with me, I am not a apple or linux guru, I followed the instructions and copied the kernal from the cd and put it in the bootx linus folder |
| 18:54.43 | zzsimonb | so i do not know how to answer your question |
| 18:55.02 | Bor_Ed | what's the kernel named like? |
| 18:55.09 | zzsimonb | vmlinux |
| 18:55.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, and you have what ver of deb= |
| 18:55.33 | Bor_Ed | + |
| 18:55.42 | Bor_Ed | ? grmbl, typo day it seems |
| 18:56.33 | zzsimonb | debian-31r1a-powerpc-netinst.iso - ISO9660 archive, unpacked size 196,258,280 bytes |
| 18:56.49 | zzsimonb | was what i downloaded and burned |
| 18:57.23 | Bor_Ed | that's sarge ok... |
| 18:57.29 | zzsimonb | ok |
| 18:57.39 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess it's got 2.6.8 or so kernel... |
| 18:58.08 | zzsimonb | should i try another version? |
| 18:59.08 | zzsimonb | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1a "Sarge" - Official powerpc Binary-1 CD |
| 18:59.10 | mute | yes sarge --> 2.6.8 kernel |
| 18:59.14 | Bor_Ed | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media/ vmlinux and initrd.gz from that dir to linux kernels folder and try again |
| 18:59.22 | zzsimonb | yes you are right its sarge |
| 18:59.37 | Bor_Ed | use local mirror though |
| 18:59.43 | zzsimonb | ook thanks for the help |
| 18:59.56 | zzsimonb | i will do that right now |
| 19:00.10 | zzsimonb | and i'll be back later |
| 19:00.17 | Bor_Ed | that should give you possibility to copy the kernel over from /boot in install to linux kernels folder |
| 19:00.20 | Bor_Ed | have fun |
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| 21:30.10 | zzsimonb | hey ber_ed you still around? |
| 21:31.20 | zzsimonb | i tried the idea you had, the kernal boots ok, but now it can not find the cd image, it keeps whining about wan't find .iso |
| 21:31.20 | Bor_Ed | ~around and completely filled with beer |
| 21:31.31 | zzsimonb | splended.... so am i |
| 21:31.37 | zzsimonb | hahahahaha |
| 21:31.38 | SimonRaven | @kernal |
| 21:31.39 | ravenbird | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:31.46 | zzsimonb | its what saturdays are for |
| 21:31.51 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 21:32.17 | zzsimonb | my fav is to get up at 5am on sundays, play loud music and drink beer |
| 21:32.24 | zzsimonb | its a ritual |
| 21:32.37 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I'd have a booting 2.6 kernel for the gear too but it'd require you've got a method on booting the linux from bootx before installing |
| 21:33.03 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.15.5 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060304 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-10)) #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 5 21:53:24 EET 2006 |
| 21:33.07 | zzsimonb | oh i can bootx ok |
| 21:33.32 | zzsimonb | well i could hahahaha |
| 21:33.51 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I could dcc you an old sarge (2.4.27-powerpc) image which might work |
| 21:33.58 | zzsimonb | the good news is.. its not an important project |
| 21:34.12 | zzsimonb | sure if you want to |
| 21:34.37 | Bor_Ed | that's prolly though the same kernel as on the same link as I gave to you... |
| 21:34.49 | zzsimonb | i pull this g3 out every couple of months, play with it, then put it away hahahaha |
| 21:35.21 | Bor_Ed | I have g3 desktop 233@315 as desktop here |
| 21:35.34 | zzsimonb | i have tried a gazzilion linux varieties |
| 21:36.25 | Bor_Ed | pick up the dcc? |
| 21:36.40 | zzsimonb | i did its d/l ing |
| 21:37.21 | Bor_Ed | it's basic debian build... booted for me from bootx today (tested while trying to fix something else) |
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| 21:42.37 | zzsimonb | ok let me try it |
| 21:43.47 | zzsimonb | while i do... you said you were a beer drinker... you might like my web server... http://66.18.207.123/beerbox.html |
| 21:44.16 | zzsimonb | i have a pretty strange sence of humour |
| 21:46.52 | Bor_Ed | every finn is a beer drinker at ~midnite on saturday evening |
| 21:47.14 | zzsimonb | hahaha thats good |
| 21:47.35 | zzsimonb | btw my name is simon, and i am in calgary canada |
| 21:48.26 | Bor_Ed | I'm some km's to east from calgary and my name is on host |
| 21:49.21 | zzsimonb | that file you dcc'd do i use that as the new kernal for bootx? |
| 21:49.36 | zzsimonb | where east of calgary? |
| 21:49.41 | Bor_Ed | kern |
| 21:49.48 | Bor_Ed | kernEl |
| 21:50.05 | Bor_Ed | east of calgary for some oceans |
| 21:50.09 | zzsimonb | ok hahaha |
| 21:50.55 | zzsimonb | a lot of the linux folks seem to be in europe |
| 21:51.32 | zzsimonb | i tried using arch linux, and all the people that I talked to were in germany |
| 21:51.33 | Bor_Ed | yea, no idea why since soviet EU is trying to block every piece of free software |
| 21:52.24 | zzsimonb | oh all the governments want to stop it |
| 21:52.38 | zzsimonb | if its free they cannot control it |
| 21:52.54 | Bor_Ed | pretty much because of that yea |
| 21:53.59 | zzsimonb | i have been in the computer business for 30 years, i hate what has happened |
| 21:54.13 | zzsimonb | everything is so expensive |
| 21:54.39 | zzsimonb | and people wonder why pirate software is so common |
| 21:54.47 | Bor_Ed | I've only been in biz as a freelancer, still the current development scares hell outta me |
| 21:55.22 | zzsimonb | it is almost $500 to buy ms office.... who would spend that for home use? |
| 21:55.47 | Bor_Ed | 149 eur... around 180 usd for such |
| 21:56.00 | Bor_Ed | 'student' and 'oem' versions |
| 21:56.00 | zzsimonb | you can buy a complete computer for 500 |
| 21:56.30 | zzsimonb | hahaha yes the student version is cheaper |
| 21:56.58 | Bor_Ed | here wintel computers start at ~250 eur (~280 usd) |
| 21:57.40 | zzsimonb | yes that is about the going rate... we have some stores here that sell them for about $400 canadian |
| 21:57.55 | zzsimonb | that is about $350 usd |
| 21:58.35 | zzsimonb | do you work in the computer industry? |
| 21:58.43 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 21:59.22 | Bor_Ed | I follow embedded industry pretty closely though as a personal interest |
| 21:59.38 | zzsimonb | ah ok |
| 22:00.12 | zzsimonb | it is amazing how the embedded technology has grown |
| 22:00.19 | zzsimonb | it is everywhere |
| 22:00.36 | zzsimonb | and most people do not even realize it is there |
| 22:00.39 | Bor_Ed | yea, and nice to see ppc rising on that front too faster than others |
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| 22:01.43 | roerich | hi there |
| 22:01.55 | roerich | just installed etch on my mini |
| 22:01.56 | Bor_Ed | evening |
| 22:02.25 | roerich | how fo I get my apple usb keyboard fully working? eg. the at-sign? |
| 22:02.30 | roerich | s/fo/do |
| 22:02.42 | zzsimonb | i run several computers at home, i have a couple of apples (a mac performa is my main tv!!!), a couple of windows boxes, and a couple of linux boxes |
| 22:03.09 | Bor_Ed | if you have german keymap, just use pc105 keyboard layout, it'll have @ on altgr+2 |
| 22:03.29 | zzsimonb | brb.. need a smoke |
| 22:03.54 | roerich | what is alt-gr on a apple keyboard? |
| 22:04.38 | roerich | is it possible to alter the layout so that it is the same layout as with mac os x? |
| 22:04.50 | Q-FUNK | roerich: the right-side Alt key |
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| 22:05.32 | roerich | no that does not work |
| 22:05.50 | roerich | this is not a normal pc keyboard |
| 22:06.00 | benoitc | hi |
| 22:06.38 | Bor_Ed | you can use the apple keyboard as a pc kb... I have that working even on adb kb |
| 22:06.52 | benoitc | anyone know how to configure xorg to recognize two different keyboard mapping on a powerbook g4 ? the internal keyboard and the externel apple pro kbd ? |
| 22:07.37 | benoitc | is this possible ? |
| 22:09.40 | zzsimonb | ok i have to run, thanks for the help bor_ed |
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| 22:49.00 | JRWR | how do i get MIDI to work |
| 22:53.13 | mute | ... |
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