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| 02:34.19 | bbelt16ag | hello everyone |
| 02:34.42 | bbelt16ag | i need some assistance with my recent debian install on a power pc app blade server :) |
| 02:34.56 | bbelt16ag | i dont know what video card is in |
| 02:34.57 | bbelt16ag | it |
| 02:37.14 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: does it have one? look at "lspci" output? |
| 02:37.23 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 02:37.35 | bbelt16ag | of course it does how would i be able to see the errors? |
| 02:37.54 | bbelt16ag | something to the effet of BIOS_V not running or loaded |
| 02:38.00 | bbelt16ag | and symbols not found |
| 02:38.11 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: have you heard of console on serial port, for example? |
| 02:38.15 | bbelt16ag | i used the generic defualt for video card setup in x server :( |
| 02:38.23 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 02:38.26 | bbelt16ag | but.. |
| 02:38.30 | bbelt16ag | i use a monitor |
| 02:38.48 | bbelt16ag | anyways |
| 02:40.33 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: so this is all about X window server... show your X11 server configuration file and logfile? |
| 02:40.49 | bbelt16ag | are they in /etc? |
| 02:40.58 | bbelt16ag | this is on a seperate pc |
| 02:44.03 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: for "xserver-xorg" they are "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and "/var/log/Xorg.0.log"... and you can use "scp", "HTTP", "rsync"... or something else, to move them around if you have got TCP/IP network |
| 02:44.26 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 02:44.32 | bbelt16ag | bt |
| 02:44.35 | bbelt16ag | but |
| 02:44.40 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 02:45.04 | bbelt16ag | i'll just use my usb drive :) |
| 02:45.22 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to see if they have ageneral type of video card they put into these servers.,. |
| 02:49.45 | bbelt16ag | ATI |
| 02:50.02 | bbelt16ag | ofcourse should of picked that gonna go chane it now |
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| 03:17.32 | bbelt16ag | pah |
| 03:17.41 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.16 | bbelt16ag | i got a ati radeon FV100 QY or Radeon 7000/VE |
| 03:18.34 | bbelt16ag | on this pbus 0001:12:02.0 i am assuming PCI |
| 03:18.44 | bbelt16ag | nopw how the heck do i get it to work? |
| 03:18.52 | bbelt16ag | i put it in it still says it cant find it |
| 03:19.06 | bbelt16ag | says a wierd address for it too 12 -13 someting |
| 03:19.15 | bbelt16ag | not what its support to be |
| 03:19.16 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
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| 03:35.29 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: I did not see URL to your X11 server logfile and configuration file yet |
| 03:35.58 | bbelt16ag | dont worry about it |
| 03:36.10 | bbelt16ag | i will work on it tomorrow tired |
| 03:36.26 | bbelt16ag | driving me nuts |
| 03:36.30 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.38 | bbelt16ag | gonna put in something linux likes more |
| 03:37.33 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: old ATI Radeon chips are supported well |
| 03:39.44 | bbelt16ag | its a ATI radeon RV100 |
| 03:42.13 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 03:42.28 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 03:44.25 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 03:44.31 | bbelt16ag | it says its autodetects... |
| 03:44.33 | bbelt16ag | why dosnt it? |
| 03:45.13 | bbelt16ag | RV100 Radeon 7000(VE), |
| 03:45.21 | bbelt16ag | that is what it is exsactly |
| 03:45.44 | bbelt16ag | should i put in RV100 or Radeon 7000(VE) |
| 04:04.42 | pahartik | bbelt16ag: what you call it should not matter... |
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| 04:07.11 | mrios | Anyone here familiar with configuring an ibook? |
| 04:07.23 | mrios | My issue is specifically that I cannot get itto sleep |
| 04:08.05 | mrios | I have pmud installed, but I was wondering what kind of configuration I need to do, or if there are kernel modules I need to install. |
| 04:15.03 | mrios | Alive? |
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| 04:18.33 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:21.54 | mrios | Is this the right channel to be in? |
| 04:22.12 | pahartik | mrios: I am using "pbbuttonsd" on iBook G4 (late 2004) |
| 04:22.12 | pahartik | mrios: I have scripts in "/etc/power/" to reload "hci_usb" (Bluetooth) and "snd_powermac" (audio) driver, as they are otherwise not working well after sleep |
| 04:22.54 | mrios | I see. Is pbbuttonsd only a powercontrol program? |
| 04:23.26 | mrios | If I apt-get pbbuttonsd, then will the configuration process take care of my issue, or will I need to write my own scripts? |
| 04:25.02 | pahartik | mrios: define "only a powercontrol program"? |
| 04:25.17 | mrios | does it also do something with buttons? |
| 04:27.57 | paulproteus|lapt | mrios: It can, at least, and I think it does by default. |
| 04:28.01 | mrios | could you provide a link to the scripts that you use? |
| 04:28.11 | paulproteus|lapt | For example it makes the volume-up button and volume-down button do "the right thing" here on my iBook G4. |
| 04:28.17 | mrios | Ah |
| 04:28.49 | mrios | I configured mine to do the right thing using gnome |
| 04:29.08 | mrios | and now that I have installed pbbuttonsd, the buttons have started to do the wrong things |
| 04:29.13 | pahartik | mrios: "pbbuttonsd - PBButtons daemon to handle special hotkeys of Apple computers" |
| 04:29.14 | paulproteus|lapt | You can disable the button activities in pbbuttons.conf. |
| 04:29.25 | paulproteus|lapt | It also handles sleep etc. |
| 04:29.32 | mrios | I see. |
| 04:29.38 | paulproteus|lapt | (pbbuttonsd.comf maybe?) |
| 04:29.43 | mrios | Now that I have this program, I will RTFM. |
| 04:29.44 | paulproteus|lapt | conf, I mean. |
| 04:29.50 | paulproteus|lapt | mrios: Not a bad plan. (-: |
| 04:29.52 | mrios | Thanks folks |
| 04:30.12 | mrios | paulproteus|lapt: I saved you the typing. |
| 04:37.09 | paulproteus|lapt | mrios: Not to speak blasphemy in this channel, but I find Ubuntu configures most of this correctly from the get-go, including working sleep (and now bcm43xx airport extreme) on my early 2004 iBook G4. |
| 04:37.32 | paulproteus|lapt | Well, bcm43xx isn't without its quirks, actually. |
| 04:41.54 | mrios | paulproteus|lapt: I value openmindedness |
| 04:42.45 | paulproteus|lapt | (Is that your reason for refusing to use Ubuntu or welcoming my speaking about it?) |
| 04:43.04 | mrios | paulproteus|lapt: welcoming your speaking about it |
| 04:43.26 | paulproteus|lapt | Ah. (-: |
| 04:43.56 | mrios | I ordered some ubuntu cds the other day to see what it was about |
| 04:45.07 | paulproteus|lapt | I just burned my own; I got tired of waiting. (-: |
| 04:45.17 | mrios | I have my server running openBSD, my laptop running debian, and I'll probably give Ubuntu cds to newbies in my house if I like it (and any of the hype comes true about it being very user friendly). But I think debian is really easy in itself if you're not a technophobe |
| 04:45.31 | paulproteus|lapt | The current beta of "Dapper" (6.04) is pretty good, and less broken on ppc by default than Debian. (-; |
| 04:45.41 | mrios | What are the salient differences in your opinion? |
| 04:45.59 | paulproteus|lapt | It focuses on having as much hardware and software "Just Work" for the GNOME user. |
| 04:46.24 | mrios | that's nice |
| 04:46.30 | paulproteus|lapt | So e.g. sound and sleep work the way you'd hope, and they're finishing up integration work on NetworkManager that integrates wireless scanning into the desktop. |
| 04:46.41 | paulproteus|lapt | The same sort of applet as OS X uses to find and join wireless networks, if you've used that. |
| 04:46.43 | mrios | excellent! |
| 04:47.02 | paulproteus|lapt | (-; I emphasize "finishing up"!) |
| 04:47.24 | mrios | now that I come to think about it, I really miss that applet and grumble about not having an analogue everytime my wireless goes down |
| 04:48.10 | mrios | If I am not mistaken, doing ifdown/ifup requires root, and that means more annoyance for me |
| 04:48.26 | paulproteus|lapt | ubuntu also ships sudo as an alternative to a root account, like OS X. |
| 04:48.31 | mrios | Ah |
| 04:48.36 | paulproteus|lapt | They also focus on desktop integration, so e.g. OOo is skinned by default with the current GNOME theme, but if you launch it in KDE it uses KDE-themed Qt widgets. |
| 04:48.59 | mrios | That is cool |
| 04:49.10 | paulproteus|lapt | That's not true for any other program I can think of; I guess it's because OOo is such a key part of an "office" desktop Linux setup. |
| 04:49.36 | paulproteus|lapt | To name some bad things, some of the more obscure software in Debian isn't as polished in Ubuntu. |
| 04:49.48 | mrios | My housemates dislike my linux setup because it is too gray and ugly for them; they are used to OS X's polishedness. |
| 04:49.53 | mrios | Examples? |
| 04:50.15 | paulproteus|lapt | Ubuntu is brown by default, not grey. (-; |
| 04:50.32 | paulproteus|lapt | They polish a subset of Debian and ship it in their "main" repository; they also have a "universe" which contains the rest of Debian unstable at their freeze time (sometimes with Ubuntu-specific patches). |
| 04:50.46 | mrios | I switched my laptop to debian because it was not advanced enough for 10.4, and I was getting irritated with the growing incompatibility issues (Apple no longer seems to support 10.2) |
| 04:51.05 | paulproteus|lapt | Some things in "universe" happen to be broken because no one in Ubuntu development used them, like "puredata" (a video editing/manipulation tool a friend wanted to use). |
| 04:51.17 | paulproteus|lapt | Sorry about the excessive use of '"'. (-; |
| 04:51.19 | mrios | Is debian interpreting this as "stealing debian's thunder?" |
| 04:51.32 | paulproteus|lapt | To some extent, I think that's the reaction. |
| 04:52.02 | mrios | Not entirely unexpected. People are funny about things like that... |
| 04:52.21 | mrios | It seems like a reaction that is not very "GPL" |
| 04:52.49 | paulproteus|lapt | A lot of Debian developers seem to appreciate ubuntu's work on adding polish, but don't like when people think that "Ubuntu does it this way" is a good enough reason for Debian to change how it does something. |
| 04:53.14 | paulproteus|lapt | Personally, I run Debian on my desktop and Ubuntu on my laptop. |
| 04:53.22 | paulproteus|lapt | (This iBook G4, again.) |
| 04:53.30 | paulproteus|lapt | (with working wireless, aw yeah!) |
| 04:53.36 | mrios | Sounds good |
| 04:54.03 | mrios | Tell me: have you found any workarounds to getting flash working for ppc linux? |
| 04:54.07 | paulproteus|lapt | mrios: No. |
| 04:54.08 | mrios | I miss my cartoons. |
| 04:54.24 | paulproteus|lapt | The best I can do is claim that it's a feature, not a bug, due to all the flash ads I'm missing out on. (-; |
| 04:54.39 | paulproteus|lapt | GNASH is a GNU Flash interpreter that I got compiled in January, but it couldn't play all that much. |
| 04:54.44 | paulproteus|lapt | It might be a little better by now. |
| 04:55.02 | paulproteus|lapt | It's the one under the most active development and targeting the most modern version of Flash. |
| 04:55.12 | mrios | Hm. Flash, Java, WindowsMedia (yuck) are all things that can't be bothered to give out ppc versions |
| 04:55.23 | paulproteus|lapt | Java you can do through IBM, I seem to recall. |
| 04:55.30 | paulproteus|lapt | I never really bothered to, though. |
| 04:55.40 | mrios | I imagine it will get worse now that Apple is moving to x86 processors |
| 04:55.50 | mrios | That is good to know about IBM |
| 04:55.55 | paulproteus|lapt | Yeah, agreed on that point. |
| 04:56.04 | paulproteus|lapt | That's why when I heard about Apple and x86 I thought, "Apple's abandoning me!" |
| 04:56.30 | paulproteus|lapt | It's probably good for their users, and since I recommend Macs to a few people, it'll help them out in the future. (And it'll make buying a Mac to run Linux on a little saner!) |
| 04:56.46 | mrios | One of the things I like about the OSS community is that they never seem to give up on my old hardware |
| 04:56.55 | mrios | Everything is made useful again |
| 04:57.40 | mrios | I have this old G3 B/W tower and an iMac Lime that are way too old to run OS X profitably, and I booted OpenBSD on them with very little pain. |
| 04:58.10 | mrios | I didn't use Debian on them because these basements were going to sit in my basement and wont even have X installed |
| 04:58.34 | paulproteus|lapt | Well, I certainly have Debian installed on machines that lack X, but OS diversity is usually a good thing. (-: |
| 04:58.53 | mrios | Thanks for all of your help, I need to split. G'night! |
| 04:59.01 | paulproteus|lapt | Good night! Hope to see you 'round. |
| 04:59.06 | mrios | you too |
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| 08:13.01 | Lashi | hey guys |
| 08:13.13 | Lashi | what the hell happened to debian ppc packages on ftp.debian.org? |
| 08:14.05 | paulproteus|lapt | Lashi: Eh? |
| 08:14.30 | Lashi | when i do an apt-get update, it says that binary-powerpc blah blah blah not found |
| 08:14.31 | Lashi | bizzare |
| 08:14.42 | Lashi | I get hits from ftp.au.debian.org |
| 08:14.48 | Lashi | but not from the main debian site |
| 08:14.50 | Lashi | ??? |
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| 10:56.53 | rleigh | Hi folks. Could anyone tell me what the difference is between the "ppc" and "powerpc" arches in the kernel sources, and which should I be using for a 32 bit system (G4)? |
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| 13:35.51 | WindowsUninstall | Do someone know how to make a bootable cdrom for openfirmware? |
| 13:42.32 | Q-FUNK | WindowsUninstall: see topic |
| 13:43.27 | WindowsUninstall | Q-FUNK, I have seen the topic |
| 13:44.12 | Q-FUNK | CD is bootable on New World hardware. you just need to press and hold C at bootup |
| 13:44.40 | WindowsUninstall | Q-FUNK, Yes, but I want make a new bootable cdrom |
| 13:44.54 | Q-FUNK | for Mac? |
| 13:45.51 | WindowsUninstall | Q-FUNK, Yes |
| 13:46.40 | Q-FUNK | you need a folder with yaboot and its required file, and to bless that folder so that OF sees it as a systme folder |
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| 18:39.15 | Alver | Hello. Another quick question; I installed OSX on an ibook, after leaving enough HD space for a linux install. Yaboot probably supports multibooting, but can it be made to look somewhat more user friendly? It's for my girlfriend, and something lilo-alike (with boot splash or without, but with a scrollable list) would be fun. |
| 18:40.19 | Bor_Ed | Alver: grub2 is supposedly supporting newworld macs too |
| 18:40.36 | Alver | Yikes... so yer hiding out here... heh :P |
| 18:40.49 | Bor_Ed | not hiding... been here since ~'99 |
| 18:41.05 | Alver | Aye, but yer not on the other network ;) |
| 18:41.17 | Alver | Anyway... grub2... that's a start |
| 18:41.20 | Bor_Ed | network decided that it doesn't need me... so screw it |
| 18:41.56 | Bor_Ed | still in freenode and ircnet though |
| 18:42.11 | Alver | Connection probs? |
| 18:42.32 | Bor_Ed | probs are pretty light expression... |
| 18:42.52 | Alver | heh... try a dutch server. Those are usually pretty reliable and hardly ever drop |
| 18:43.15 | Bor_Ed | I'll wait for some weeks and see if the .ro kiddos are at least decreased from DoS'ing the servers |
| 18:44.49 | Alver | mmm, testing has OO2 |
| 18:45.18 | Alver | Maybe time to go that way instead of sarge |
| 18:45.35 | Bor_Ed | I've had sid always and 2-3 times had some issues |
| 18:46.09 | Alver | Yea, but I'm not always around to fix things on the ibook |
| 18:46.34 | Bor_Ed | install sid and don't do automatic updates :) |
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| 18:47.14 | Alver | I've noticed that sid tends to have more errors the longer you wait with updates |
| 18:47.21 | Alver | ... which is to be expected |
| 18:47.36 | Bor_Ed | might be... I uupgrade nowadays around once/week |
| 18:47.47 | Alver | Once a day usually here |
| 18:48.47 | Alver | Right, testing business card iso dl'ed :) |
| 18:49.22 | Bor_Ed | why don't you just boot with the kernel and do netinst? |
| 18:49.48 | Alver | No experience with that... I usually boot from the smallest iso there is and go from there |
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| 19:05.43 | zzsimonb | hey bor_ed can i borrow your brain for a minute? I am still having problems with this beige g3 |
| 19:06.23 | Bor_Ed | shoot |
| 19:06.46 | zzsimonb | the kernal you dcc'd is a no go, it just locks up the apple |
| 19:07.08 | zzsimonb | when i install debian, what file system should i use? |
| 19:07.20 | Bor_Ed | weird, that's what I use for troubleshooting |
| 19:07.22 | zzsimonb | ext2, ext3, ? |
| 19:07.27 | Bor_Ed | ext2 preferred to / |
| 19:07.34 | Bor_Ed | ext3 might work |
| 19:07.39 | Alver | reiserfs++ |
| 19:07.47 | Bor_Ed | Alver: oldworld... |
| 19:07.57 | zzsimonb | ok so ext2 is the best bet |
| 19:07.59 | Alver | ... does that make a difference? |
| 19:08.20 | Bor_Ed | Alver: big diff |
| 19:08.23 | Alver | How so? |
| 19:08.43 | zzsimonb | next question, could this be a firmware issue? |
| 19:08.44 | Alver | Once the kernel knows the fs, it'll work, and it's not like it's going to give much overhead |
| 19:08.47 | Bor_Ed | bootloader is different, OF is from bad to ridiculois and so on |
| 19:08.54 | Alver | Ahh. |
| 19:09.04 | Alver | Shouldn't ext2 for /boot be enough? |
| 19:09.24 | Bor_Ed | if /boot is on separate partition, yup |
| 19:09.28 | Alver | Right |
| 19:09.44 | Alver | Mmm, the base system is almost done |
| 19:09.49 | Alver | Gotta love 20Mbit cable =) |
| 19:09.52 | Bor_Ed | zzsimonb: I doubt... bootx bypasses OF limitations |
| 19:09.58 | zzsimonb | oh ok |
| 19:10.39 | zzsimonb | i got up at 5am and started fooling with this damn computer, at 5:01 am I cracked a beer! hahahaha |
| 19:11.13 | Bor_Ed | sounds familiar :) |
| 19:11.36 | zzsimonb | ok, i am gonna try ext2, i'll be back in a while |
| 19:11.45 | zzsimonb | thanks for your help |
| 19:11.51 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 19:12.58 | Alver | Lapin Kulta? |
| 19:12.59 | Alver | hehe |
| 19:13.16 | Bor_Ed | karjala this time (on discount on local store) |
| 19:13.20 | SimonRaven | buncha drunkards :P |
| 19:14.01 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: like debian on ppc doesn't require being either an alcie or a pothead? :D |
| 19:14.45 | SimonRaven | i say that to anyone who drinks, now, but i don't mean it in a mean way |
| 19:15.02 | SimonRaven | i'd say no, but that's me |
| 19:15.25 | Alver | Bor_Ed: you forgot the third option - a complete nutter :) |
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| 19:15.31 | SimonRaven | (just speaking for myself) |
| 19:15.41 | SimonRaven | that i do fit |
| 19:15.48 | Bor_Ed | Alver: well, .be ppl are almost as bad as .se so you're right too |
| 19:17.00 | SimonRaven | meh, the init script for jabberd2 sucks. i think i'll re-write it |
| 19:17.38 | Bor_Ed | hmm, installing windoofs on qemu or bochs still blows... and I'd really need dos for some games I'd like to buggr play (dosbox completely puked) |
| 19:26.03 | Alver | Hmmm, tiny problem with the etch install |
| 19:26.19 | Bor_Ed | try nightly built |
| 19:26.28 | Alver | It asks which network device to use: eth0 airport extreme, eth1 wired |
| 19:26.47 | Alver | while after reboot, eth1 is airport... so autoconfig of network fails, naturally |
| 19:27.14 | Q-FUNK | file a bug report |
| 19:29.08 | zzsimonb | bor_ed, stupid question 87, i have a 9 gig drive, i have os9 on 2 gigs. I have / and swap, is that what i should have? |
| 19:29.37 | zzsimonb | cos earlier you were talking about /boot |
| 19:31.25 | Alver | zzsimonb: / and swap is enough |
| 19:31.35 | zzsimonb | ok |
| 19:31.40 | Alver | having a separate /boot partition can be advised in some cases but it's not necessary |
| 19:31.48 | Alver | a separate /home is also handy sometimes |
| 19:31.53 | Bor_Ed | zzsimonb: works with your partition scheme |
| 19:31.59 | zzsimonb | the good news is at least it installs quicker than windows hahaha |
| 19:32.49 | zzsimonb | if it took 2 hours to install (like windoze) i'd be getting grumpy by now hahaha |
| 19:33.21 | Bor_Ed | takes 6 hours to install windoofs on this beige g3 |
| 19:33.55 | zzsimonb | is that your main computer? the g3? |
| 19:34.04 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:34.24 | Bor_Ed | 233 clocked to 315 and pimped to the max :) |
| 19:34.29 | zzsimonb | hahahaha |
| 19:34.42 | zzsimonb | i think my g3 is also a 233 |
| 19:35.01 | Bor_Ed | it'll run at 315 with just switching couple of jumpers |
| 19:35.13 | Bor_Ed | 266 if you have 'good' ram |
| 19:35.18 | Bor_Ed | 366 that is |
| 19:35.28 | zzsimonb | i have an old performa that i use as a tv, i stuck a 19 inch monitor on it, works great |
| 19:35.51 | zzsimonb | it even has a remote control |
| 19:36.29 | Bor_Ed | I'm getting an efika board 'soon' to be as htpc, I'll put ati remote to it and connect to the telly |
| 19:38.18 | zzsimonb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.30 | zzsimonb | you can never have too many pc's |
| 19:38.33 | zzsimonb | hahaha |
| 19:38.53 | Bor_Ed | I've dropped the amount to 3 active computers here |
| 19:39.40 | zzsimonb | they just seem to multiply |
| 19:40.08 | Bor_Ed | I sell most boxen every time I hit the 6-8 running ones |
| 19:41.13 | zzsimonb | this is my webserver.. you might get a laugh.. http://66.18.207.123/beerbox.html |
| 19:41.39 | Bor_Ed | no browser up currently |
| 19:41.58 | zzsimonb | no prob |
| 19:42.01 | Bor_Ed | and I run boa only when I have to put my CV online |
| 19:42.11 | zzsimonb | ah |
| 19:42.34 | Bor_Ed | I tend to do the 'biz' on ftp and mail as much as I can |
| 19:42.48 | Alver | zzsimonb: nice concept, but the site hurts the eyes :P |
| 19:43.25 | Bor_Ed | zzsimonb: you showed the site before too iirc |
| 19:43.31 | Bor_Ed | checked it then |
| 19:43.33 | zzsimonb | it is supposed to hahahaha |
| 19:44.17 | zzsimonb | ok, that install was a no go, ext2, and same thing |
| 19:44.38 | zzsimonb | funky coloured penguin and nothing else |
| 19:44.40 | Bor_Ed | hmm, still using bootx and sarge? |
| 19:44.50 | zzsimonb | yes |
| 19:45.04 | Bor_Ed | you have onboard gfx or some pci card? |
| 19:45.47 | zzsimonb | oh, now that i am not sure about, but it looks like onboard to me |
| 19:45.58 | zzsimonb | in fact i know it is |
| 19:46.05 | zzsimonb | i looked once before |
| 19:46.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, it doesn't work too well on 2.6 series kernels... though just having the penguin tells that there's another video device on the box too |
| 19:47.38 | zzsimonb | there is only one vid connector |
| 19:47.56 | zzsimonb | and it is not in the pci slots |
| 19:49.29 | zzsimonb | the good news is.... there is plenty of snow outside.... i can hide it in the snowbank for a couple of months hahaha |
| 19:49.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that's really weird |
| 19:50.05 | zzsimonb | i wonder if it is the version of bootx i am using |
| 19:50.25 | zzsimonb | 1.2 |
| 19:50.27 | Bor_Ed | I doubt that |
| 19:50.34 | mrwick | http://66.18.207.123/beerbox.html |
| 19:50.40 | mrwick | nice. |
| 19:50.49 | zzsimonb | hahaha glad you like it |
| 19:50.55 | mrwick | pizzabox tablet is good, too :> |
| 19:51.06 | zzsimonb | yes that one is special |
| 19:51.38 | Bor_Ed | hmm, linux won't even read my os 9 install for some reason... can't check the ver I have |
| 19:52.07 | zzsimonb | i have os 9.2 |
| 19:52.28 | Bor_Ed | I've got buggy os 9.1 upgrade and ancient bootx here |
| 19:54.57 | zzsimonb | ok in my kernal extras i have root=/dev/sdb6 video=atyfb,vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk=7 |
| 19:54.59 | paulproteus|lapt | Pizzabox is good. (-: |
| 19:55.05 | paulproteus|lapt | Beerbox looked a little clenaer. |
| 19:55.07 | paulproteus|lapt | cleaner. |
| 19:56.00 | zzsimonb | the boxes are fun to build, scissors and duct tape...... |
| 19:56.13 | zzsimonb | no screwdriver needed |
| 19:57.05 | Bor_Ed | grmbl, I have to replace desktop boxes fan too, buggr has started to give marks of bearing giving up... and just did the service to the server |
| 19:57.54 | Bor_Ed | and the box is only 9 years in age... computers these days really suck, the c128dcr still runs like a new one and it's 20 years old :) |
| 19:58.35 | zzsimonb | i collect old stuff, i have a great 1983 trs 80, and a kaypro 10 |
| 19:59.07 | Bor_Ed | my oldest computer gear currently is '83 breadbox commie 64 |
| 19:59.28 | zzsimonb | and a gazzilion typewriters.... my wife is very understanding.... hahahaha |
| 20:00.11 | Bor_Ed | I have to clean up the stock every now and then... yet still have good sortiment of commie gear |
| 20:01.06 | zzsimonb | hahahas you can never have too much of the old stuff |
| 20:02.03 | Bor_Ed | it's enough to me to have the breadbox and couple of spares as well as the c128dcr... though snes setup wouldn't hurt on the collection |
| 20:03.09 | Alver | Is it possible to mount OSX partitions? |
| 20:03.11 | zzsimonb | i bought my wife a real nintendo for christmas..hahaha she loves supermario, so $30 on ebay got me the box and 11 games |
| 20:03.15 | Alver | -t hfs didn't do the job |
| 20:03.39 | Bor_Ed | Alver: depends on the kernel and tools, osx is -t hfsplus |
| 20:03.45 | Alver | aha |
| 20:04.38 | Bor_Ed | zzsimonb: we had original nintendo and 500 game cartridge connected to orange fluerecent monitor back in the day :D |
| 20:04.48 | zzsimonb | bor_ed, did you look at the kernal options i have? |
| 20:04.54 | zzsimonb | hahaha WOW!!!!! |
| 20:05.22 | Bor_Ed | haven't seen your kernEl options :o |
| 20:06.02 | zzsimonb | ok in my kernal extras i have root=/dev/sdb6 video=atyfb,vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk=7 |
| 20:06.14 | zzsimonb | thats what i got in bootx |
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| 20:06.53 | zzsimonb | oops mclk:7 |
| 20:06.58 | zzsimonb | i think |
| 20:08.17 | Bor_Ed | you can drop everything video related off from there |
| 20:08.29 | zzsimonb | ok |
| 20:08.46 | zzsimonb | just leave the root= ? |
| 20:09.11 | Bor_Ed | that should be given in the other options than in append |
| 20:09.25 | Bor_Ed | boot device or such |
| 20:10.38 | zzsimonb | ok let me try |
| 20:11.09 | Bor_Ed | the option is on bootx gui and should be easy to notice |
| 20:12.07 | zzsimonb | i should remove all from the kernal xtra line? just have the bbot device? |
| 20:12.52 | Bor_Ed | kernEl... but yes, append line should be empty for the defaults (which work on g3 with no weird gear installed) |
| 20:13.39 | zzsimonb | ok.. i need another beer.... brb hahahaha |
| 20:14.00 | Bor_Ed | 10:13pm and hella lot beers down |
| 20:15.23 | zzsimonb | brb |
| 20:15.43 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd I have graveyard shift on starting week |
| 20:19.08 | zzsimonb | what do you do for a living |
| 20:19.59 | Bor_Ed | I work at assembly line on electronics industry |
| 20:20.07 | zzsimonb | oh ok |
| 20:20.39 | zzsimonb | i am a teacher, i teach computer stuff |
| 20:20.39 | Bor_Ed | it's not as bad as it sounds :) |
| 20:21.22 | zzsimonb | oh i did not mean anything bad |
| 20:21.34 | Bor_Ed | I teached polytechnic teacher to get his act together with the linux courseware he was thinking of running :) |
| 20:21.46 | zzsimonb | hahahaha |
| 20:22.17 | zzsimonb | how long have you been playing with computers? |
| 20:22.27 | Bor_Ed | over 20 years |
| 20:23.12 | zzsimonb | hahaha you are just a young one! hahaha I have worked in the computer industry for 33 years... god i am old |
| 20:23.39 | Bor_Ed | I', just closing 30 yeasr of age... a kid :) |
| 20:23.46 | zzsimonb | hahahaha |
| 20:24.00 | zzsimonb | you are in finland? |
| 20:24.12 | Bor_Ed | as the /whois says, yea |
| 20:24.29 | zzsimonb | no, i seem to remember you saying that yesterday |
| 20:24.34 | Bor_Ed | rite |
| 20:24.47 | zzsimonb | your english is very very good |
| 20:25.28 | Bor_Ed | well, used english since age of 6 and written it online since age of 8 leaves marks |
| 20:26.17 | zzsimonb | i am always amazed at how good europeans are at english, you are way better than we english are at speaking other languages |
| 20:26.45 | zzsimonb | i am enlish, i left england in 1980 |
| 20:26.50 | Alver | What the... etch only has firefox 1.0.7? :/ |
| 20:27.05 | Bor_Ed | just try to learn finnish, that's rated at top 3 most difficult common languages :) |
| 20:27.18 | zzsimonb | hahaha i'll give it a try |
| 20:27.28 | Bor_Ed | Alver: etch has around as fresh packages as potato |
| 20:27.38 | zzsimonb | next time we chat i'll try and say something in finish |
| 20:27.50 | Bor_Ed | good luck :P |
| 20:28.14 | zzsimonb | the wife is nagging me.... time to rejoin the real world |
| 20:28.29 | Bor_Ed | bah, that's way too overrated |
| 20:28.33 | zzsimonb | have a great day (or night) and thanks again |
| 20:28.47 | zzsimonb | i am sure we will talk again |
| 20:28.53 | Bor_Ed | just give her a beer and put up 'friends' rerun |
| 20:29.00 | zzsimonb | hahahaha |
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| 20:47.55 | Alver | Hrm |
| 20:48.00 | Alver | I get no sound on the ibook. |
| 20:48.53 | Bor_Ed | got the sound driver loadded? |
| 20:49.07 | Bor_Ed | it ain't autoprobed |
| 20:49.17 | Alver | /dev/dsp does not exist - the modules are loaded though |
| 20:49.48 | Bor_Ed | drop lsmod to im |
| 20:50.44 | Alver | Hard to do when it's a different machine :o |
| 20:50.53 | Alver | alsamixer sees all though |
| 20:50.59 | Alver | channels are there, can be altered, etc etc etc |
| 20:51.04 | Alver | but no /dev/dsp |
| 20:51.36 | SimonRaven | cd /usr/share/alsa-base; sh snddevices |
| 20:51.37 | Bor_Ed | hmm, could be that the thingy is under alsa devices |
| 20:52.09 | SimonRaven | or such |
| 20:52.36 | Alver | there's no /usr/share/alsa-base |
| 20:53.21 | Alver | there's a /usr/share/alsa but without that snddevices script |
| 20:53.49 | SimonRaven | you don't have it installed |
| 20:53.54 | Bor_Ed | alsa devices are adsp amixer and so on iirc, you need to link 'em to oss device names or use esd, artsd, jackd or such |
| 20:54.12 | SimonRaven | /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 20:54.32 | SimonRaven | you don't need the sound "daemons" |
| 20:55.50 | Bor_Ed | true |
| 20:56.08 | SimonRaven | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-03-13 15:59 /dev/dsp |
| 20:56.33 | Bor_Ed | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-04-18 21:50 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 20:57.01 | Bor_Ed | alsa here |
| 20:57.04 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 20:57.15 | Alver | Right, that did the trick |
| 20:57.16 | Alver | thanks |
| 20:57.20 | SimonRaven | me too, but using udev ... |
| 20:57.43 | Bor_Ed | I prefer to have manageable interface to devices :) |
| 20:59.18 | SimonRaven | udev is ass |
| 21:00.07 | SimonRaven | DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT use udev on a server if you care anything for it |
| 21:02.39 | Alver | LOL |
| 21:02.57 | Bor_Ed | and you have buggr x86 |
| 21:02.59 | Alver | Yea... |
| 21:05.37 | SimonRaven | i only have it installed due to stupid deps |
| 21:05.44 | SimonRaven | IMO stupid |
| 21:06.18 | Bor_Ed | udev isn't still required to be mounted/ran on boot |
| 21:06.50 | SimonRaven | yeh it is, if it's installed. |
| 21:08.16 | SimonRaven | i'm pissed off at it because of a sequence of events that took down my secondary server |
| 21:08.20 | Bor_Ed | udev - /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 21:08.42 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 21:08.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I have hotplug running but no udev around |
| 21:10.19 | SimonRaven | yeh, you kept hotplug or something, can't recall the exact conditions ... it was a bad combo of a bad initrd, udev, and a broken initrd script |
| 21:11.09 | SimonRaven | people using bash syntax on critical system components = stupid |
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| 21:11.31 | SimonRaven | </rant> |
| 21:11.31 | Bor_Ed | initrds are install kernel helpers and shouldn't be used on desktop/server kernels |
| 21:12.05 | SimonRaven | the default kernels are using them now, even on ppc. |
| 21:12.19 | SimonRaven | er, s,default,pre-built, |
| 21:12.21 | Bor_Ed | yea, and that's sad to see |
| 21:12.47 | Bor_Ed | they only cause more probs imo |
| 21:13.03 | SimonRaven | i see the reasoning, but this is why i usually build my own |
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| 21:16.44 | Bor_Ed | I just build kernels without initrd here... the size might be a bit on the fat side but at least they work |
| 21:17.30 | Alver | Where do I set the bootloader to load OSX by default? |
| 21:18.09 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.41 | Alver | Bor_Ed: /etc/yaboot.conf does not work with the 1st stage bootloader |
| 21:21.24 | Bor_Ed | just run osx from OF then |
| 21:21.49 | Alver | ? |
| 21:22.05 | Alver | Now I get a menu - 1st stage loader: l for linux, x for osx, c for cdrom |
| 21:22.18 | Alver | when nothing is pressed, it boots linux... I want it to boot osx |
| 21:22.30 | Bor_Ed | ahh, |
| 21:22.43 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess it's OF setting |
| 21:23.22 | Alver | Yea... but where... heh |
| 21:23.34 | Alver | Anyway, I have to run for a moment... I'll check backlog when I return |
| 21:23.46 | Bor_Ed | something like boot-default or so |
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| 21:49.44 | iLLf8d | anyone running debian on a 1.25Ghz 1G ram mac mini? how slow/fast does it seem to run x and xapps? |
| 21:53.06 | roerich | I am running it on such a machine with 512mb |
| 21:54.16 | roerich | if you are not relying on 3d acceleration or high computing power this is sufficient |
| 21:54.38 | iLLf8d | roerich: can you compare it to any x86 boxes? |
| 21:54.49 | roerich | no |
| 21:55.08 | iLLf8d | does it run similarly to a p1 p2 p3 or p4 with 512M memory? |
| 21:55.27 | roerich | you cannot compare it |
| 21:55.34 | iLLf8d | just wonder if you wait on it as much as you do with osx natively or less |
| 21:56.13 | iLLf8d | wonder how itd compare to my xp2600 machines |
| 21:56.45 | roerich | do you own a mini mac or do you plan to buy one? |
| 21:56.52 | iLLf8d | I have one |
| 21:56.59 | iLLf8d | sitting on the desk next to me |
| 21:57.14 | roerich | so you know how it competes with osx, don't you? |
| 21:57.21 | iLLf8d | I was trying to configure a few server features but its the client version and none of the docs are jiving |
| 21:57.29 | iLLf8d | even those in the man pages |
| 21:57.46 | iLLf8d | missing paths and or netinfo or directoryservice files/etc |
| 21:58.00 | iLLf8d | roerich: in what reguard? |
| 21:58.07 | roerich | iLLf8d: read nerdvittles how to turn a 500$ mac mini into howto |
| 22:00.04 | iLLf8d | the media center one? |
| 22:08.41 | roerich | yes it's a whole series |
| 22:09.07 | roerich | in the end I totally erased mac os x and replaced it by debian |
| 22:10.09 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:12.32 | roerich | but that was my plan when I bought this mini |
| 22:16.56 | roerich | iLLf8d: it's a nice server which has low power consumption :) |
| 22:26.49 | roerich | hrm is there no vlc for powerpc? |
| 22:29.55 | iLLf8d | dunno |
| 22:30.05 | iLLf8d | theres a vlc for osx |
| 22:30.10 | iLLf8d | if thats what you're asking |
| 22:30.10 | roerich | apt-cache does not show it (tch) |
| 22:30.28 | roerich | yeah I'm looking for the debian/ppc one :p |
| 22:30.31 | iLLf8d | yeah debian doesn't usually like to play mplayer or vlc |
| 22:30.38 | roerich | I have the osx vlc on my ibook |
| 22:31.09 | iLLf8d | you can find mplayer for it but its missing codecs and castrated usually (or has been in the past) |
| 22:31.45 | iLLf8d | try joining #debian and query apt about vlc or mplayer |
| 22:31.47 | roerich | that's normal |
| 22:32.37 | iLLf8d | often there are links to external packages that can be find there |
| 22:32.37 | iLLf8d | dunno if you've used the bot there before but it can be quite useful at times |
| 22:32.48 | iLLf8d | s/find/found |
| 22:32.49 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 23:52.57 | Alver | Yay... back |
| 23:53.23 | Alver | Can anyone tell me how to set the OF (I suppose?) to boot OSX by default instead of Linux? |
| 23:54.50 | pahartik | Alver: define that in "/etc/yaboot.conf" |
| 23:54.59 | Alver | pahartik: how would I do that? |
| 23:55.15 | Alver | As far as I checked, yaboot only allows me to boot different kernels... |
| 23:55.53 | Alver | Right after boot, I get a "1st stage boot loader" choice: l for linux, x for osx, c for cdrom |
| 23:56.15 | Alver | "L" or not pressing anything moves on to yaboot, which gives me linux |
| 23:56.23 | Alver | I want it to boot OSX when nothing is pressed |
| 23:57.21 | pahartik | Alver: look for information about "defaultos" and "macosx" variables in "man yaboot.conf" |