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| 05:06.22 | Underpants | anyone home? |
| 05:08.54 | Underpants | Is anyone here running debian 3.1 on their mac mini? |
| 05:17.10 | Underpants | Happy Day |
| 05:17.12 | Underpants | {{ £åügHîñg Øüt £öüÐ }} |
| 05:17.36 | Underpants | nobody? I'm going to bed then. if you need me i'll be rolling servers. www.advancedbusinesssolutions.com |
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| 06:43.41 | SimonRaven | [undies][away]: no spam please |
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| 06:44.00 | SimonRaven | [undies][away]: do that again and you'll get removed. |
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| 06:59.59 | peterrooney | usb mouse (on OPTI card) and adb mouse don't seem to want to play nice together. left click on usb mouse doesn't register, even with adb mouse removed during reboot. |
| 07:05.45 | peterrooney | lspci says it's using IRQ 24, but /proc/interrupts doesn't mention 24. is this discrepancy meaningful? |
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| 07:29.54 | peterrooney | rehash: usb mouse (on OPTI card) and adb mouse don't play nice together. left click on usb mouse doesn't register, even with adb mouse removed during reboot. however, middle click and right click and movement register fine on the USB mouse. |
| 07:30.18 | peterrooney | this is not an improvement on 3-button mouse keyboard emulation. |
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| 10:03.36 | Corsac | johill: strange the 2.6.16 ppc doesnt include the fn key |
| 10:03.47 | johill | the config? |
| 10:03.55 | Corsac | yep |
| 10:03.58 | Corsac | just checked |
| 10:04.16 | johill | well then, file a bug :) |
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| 10:20.13 | Q-FUNK | am I the only one who gets really crappy video on 2.6.16 ? |
| 10:22.13 | Corsac | like ? |
| 10:22.38 | Q-FUNK | lots of flashing white stuff on the early phase of the boot. |
| 10:24.04 | Corsac | ah, i got that too, but only the first few milliseconds |
| 10:24.12 | Q-FUNK | I also notice undocumented subdivisions in the platfor support section fo the config. do we need chrp or just powermac? |
| 10:26.20 | Corsac | johill: there are yet two open bugs on this subject, so i'll just reply to theme saying the support is in the kernel but should be enabled |
| 10:26.31 | johill | heh ok |
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| 10:27.22 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: I noticed those changes on video initialization too, on iBook G4... |
| 10:27.45 | johill | I have that too but it doesn't make a difference after the first few splitseconds |
| 10:27.46 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: which card does lspci report, on your side? |
| 10:28.40 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: "0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C63 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)] (rev 01)" |
| 10:29.03 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 10:31.42 | Q-FUNK | what about Platform support? PowerMac only on CHRP too? |
| 10:32.35 | Corsac | johill: do you know if the bug about i2c-powermac has been reported upstream ? |
| 10:33.00 | johill | to alsa? no idea |
| 10:33.12 | johill | but I'm working hard on deprecating snd-powermac ;) |
| 10:33.44 | Q-FUNK | johill: you would need to achieve support for all the soundchips listed on our wiki. though one. :) |
| 10:34.22 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/config-2.6.16-kiara-pahartik |
| 10:34.28 | johill | point me to the wiki again? :P |
| 10:34.48 | Q-FUNK | hm. used to be in /topic |
| 10:34.58 | johill | I'll find it |
| 10:35.05 | johill | http://wiki.debian.org/PowerpcSoundcards |
| 10:36.46 | johill | I could add *a lot* to that list now |
| 10:36.58 | johill | with all 'no no no no' :P |
| 10:37.03 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 10:37.27 | Q-FUNK | support for early powermac seems to be what's broken, mostly. |
| 10:37.41 | johill | yah I'm writing support for the new ones tho |
| 10:37.56 | johill | those that are newer than listed there |
| 10:38.04 | johill | with digital output |
| 10:39.59 | johill | then I'll work my way back |
| 10:40.03 | johill | my powrebook (snapper) |
| 10:40.15 | johill | and benh said he is going to write davbus support for really old stuff |
| 10:40.20 | johill | we'll get it done, sooner or later :) |
| 10:40.45 | johill | then benh gets to claim the bounty since he then fixes the old stuff on top of my new driver architecture ;) |
| 10:41.14 | Q-FUNK | ah so your work motivated benh to get invlved again? |
| 10:41.44 | johill | yes, he's correct in that snd-powermac is a huge pile of crap, and not worth fixing |
| 10:42.00 | johill | but he wasn't motivated to start from scratch, which I did last week |
| 10:42.26 | johill | well gotta be coding, need headphone detection etc :) |
| 10:42.50 | Q-FUNK | probably true. I would still recommend keeping that module name, though. that is, develop the new module separately from the alsa project and form the kernel tree, then once it's been thoroughly tested, replace the entire old snd-powermac with the new code. |
| 10:43.04 | johill | too late, it's already named snd-aoa |
| 10:43.15 | Q-FUNK | but is it in the tree already? |
| 10:43.18 | johill | no |
| 10:43.21 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 10:43.27 | johill | but I'm not going to rename all the damn files over that |
| 10:43.43 | Q-FUNK | so keep aoa as a working nasme, but when it's ready, submit it as a complete rwrite called snd-powermac |
| 10:43.53 | johill | like I said: no |
| 10:44.05 | Q-FUNK | make the code switch transparent to the end-user |
| 10:44.18 | johill | the end user doesn't care |
| 10:44.22 | johill | the new module can auto-load |
| 10:44.37 | Q-FUNK | you don't need to rename _all_ files, just the module you compile out of all the subarch suppport. |
| 10:44.56 | johill | there's no single module |
| 10:44.58 | johill | right now, it's about 4 |
| 10:45.00 | johill | eh 5 |
| 10:45.13 | Q-FUNK | ah, so it's modularized. by chip name? |
| 10:45.15 | johill | and for each codec I'll add one, then for davbus one |
| 10:45.22 | johill | oh more than that |
| 10:45.39 | johill | there's one generic bus module, then i2sbus on top of that, then generic snd-aoa, modules for each codec |
| 10:45.43 | johill | and then modules for each 'fabric' |
| 10:45.47 | johill | which is what puts it all together |
| 10:45.52 | johill | and knows what codecs to load etc |
| 10:45.58 | johill | depending on the machine/layout-id |
| 10:46.19 | johill | johannes:~/Projects/snd-aoa$ find . -name *.ko |
| 10:46.19 | johill | ./soundbus/i2sbus/i2sbus.ko |
| 10:46.19 | johill | ./soundbus/soundbus.ko |
| 10:46.19 | johill | ./aoa/codecs/onyx/snd-aoa-codec-onyx.ko |
| 10:46.19 | johill | ./aoa/codecs/tas/snd-aoa-codec-tas.ko |
| 10:46.19 | johill | ./aoa/fabrics/snd-aoa-fabric-layout.ko |
| 10:46.21 | johill | ./aoa/snd-aoa.ko |
| 10:46.48 | johill | there's no way it can ever be transparent to the end user |
| 10:47.10 | johill | except that the end user need not care since all the modules are automatically loaded by means of modaliases etc |
| 10:47.55 | Q-FUNK | interesting hierarchy |
| 10:48.16 | Q-FUNK | right |
| 10:48.19 | Q-FUNK | or udev |
| 10:49.52 | johill | right |
| 10:50.02 | johill | i2sbus depends on soundbus and loads via udev by mac-io device matching |
| 10:50.08 | Q-FUNK | one good thing I notice with 2.6.16 is that udev has gotten a lot better at auto-detecting most of the moremac modules. |
| 10:50.10 | johill | then it creates new devices |
| 10:50.22 | johill | which snd-aoa-fabric-layout matches |
| 10:50.27 | johill | so that loads (and pulls snd-aoa) |
| 10:50.35 | johill | and the fabric looks up what to do and requests the right codecs |
| 10:50.57 | Q-FUNK | pretty nice |
| 10:56.15 | johill | :) |
| 10:56.31 | johill | so now selling that to the alsa folks ;) |
| 10:56.37 | johill | no not yet |
| 10:58.12 | Q-FUNK | indeed, not yet |
| 10:58.25 | Q-FUNK | they might get scared of the granularity |
| 10:58.27 | johill | but I'm already discussing with them about alsa changes I need |
| 10:58.40 | johill | heh |
| 11:05.19 | Q-FUNK | great :) |
| 11:05.53 | johill | about digital output stuff mostly |
| 11:08.46 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 11:16.40 | Corsac | adt746x: Lowering max temperatures from 81, 80, 87 to 70, 50, 70 |
| 11:16.50 | Corsac | why does adt do that ? |
| 11:17.01 | Corsac | (that's the temperature before the fan starts, right ?) |
| 11:17.13 | johill | that's the temperatures that the firmware programmed I think |
| 11:18.18 | johill | Corsac: you should link bugs together if they are linked :) |
| 11:18.44 | Corsac | yeah but i'm not the maintainer nor the owner of both bugs so I don't know if I can |
| 11:19.11 | johill | I thought you can, but I suppose the maintainer should just do it anyway |
| 11:19.18 | johill | well anyway I gotta be coding ;) |
| 11:20.08 | Corsac | :) |
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| 11:50.22 | johill | anyone with a powermac8,1 or 8,2 at hand? |
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| 12:22.55 | mpathy | hi there.. I want to install linux on a PowerBook G3 400mhz, with 64MB, 6GB HD - mostly console working, or X with fluxbox etc. - is that possible?! |
| 12:28.41 | Corsac | it should |
| 12:28.58 | Corsac | i have a powerbook g3 333 with 192Mo ram (iirc) and it works |
| 12:35.32 | mpathy | okay what distribution? |
| 12:36.00 | mpathy | Corsac: I will try.. But I have to change the HDD, and I dont get these stupid screw opened: http://www.mpathy.de/mac-schraube.jpg |
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| 14:46.38 | Q-FUNK | Live from Ubuntu... |
| 14:47.07 | Q-FUNK | Something went wrong in the ramdisk building and I'm not stuck without a bootable kernel. |
| 14:48.29 | johill | sucks. but snd-aoa now has headphone and speaker mutes ;) |
| 14:49.00 | Q-FUNK | nice |
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| 18:25.34 | Q-FUNK | well, it seems that CONFIG_CHRP is not needed on this iMac |
| 18:26.00 | Bor_Ed | shouldn't be needed since that's prep/mac conf |
| 18:26.37 | Bor_Ed | still no .ee address |
| 18:28.10 | Q-FUNK | well, since 2.6.16 this is all very confusing. a lot of new ppc stuff that has not explanation in the help file. |
| 18:28.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I'd need to compile a new kernel too |
| 18:28.46 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.15.5 still kicking |
| 18:30.25 | Q-FUNK | here, last good was 2.6.14.6, since i'm on grsec |
| 18:30.54 | Bor_Ed | I don't have such stuff enabled... too meaningless box |
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| 19:04.29 | Q-FUNK | I don't only use grsec for the security aspects. as it happens, things like priviledge separation and memory page protection make this iMac a lot faster than a regular kernel. |
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| 20:16.46 | pahartik | does Debian installer offer possibility to control it over SSH? |
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| 21:16.27 | SimonRaven | pahartik: yeh |
| 21:16.40 | SimonRaven | pahartik: install the openssh modules |
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| 21:22.40 | pahartik | SimonRaven: all right, but how does one access it? |
| 21:31.18 | nefertum | does anybody uses amarok ? |
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| 22:12.04 | witch | good luck. Debian works fine on mac mini |
| 22:13.14 | [undies] | sweet. |
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| 22:22.22 | Aaron | woo hoo! |
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| 22:46.20 | SimonRaven | pahartik: install it, then run it. need to run fucking client behavng badly again, BRB pahartik |
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| 22:46.51 | simonrvn | sigh |
| 22:47.21 | simonrvn | pahartik: need to start it up from the installer itself, AFAIK. not sure how you'd do it otherwise |
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