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| 08:56.30 | iluciv | hi anyone here. If so I gather a 6500/275 is classified as an oldworld mac |
| 09:05.40 | pahartik | iluciv: yes it is |
| 09:09.19 | iluciv | can I use quik with it I want to get rid of os8.5 you think |
| 09:10.36 | pahartik | iluciv: it should work, but "quik" is tricky on some hardware configurations |
| 09:11.36 | iluciv | yes I'm just reading up on it I'm woundering how many hardware features will be lost running debian |
| 09:11.43 | iluciv | wondering |
| 09:12.12 | simonrvn | none really |
| 09:12.16 | simonrvn | afaik |
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| 09:14.50 | iluciv | well I have a realtek eth card in it that I got running today but it comes with video in and out cards that I wouldn't mind working either |
| 09:17.12 | simonrvn | depends. if there's a driver, and it works, it should |
| 09:17.17 | pahartik | iluciv: when running Linux, one can use Bluetooth, IEEE-1394... many PCI devices that have no drivers for traditional MacOS... |
| 09:17.58 | pahartik | iluciv: PCI devices like DVB tuners, ethernet adapters... |
| 09:18.43 | iluciv | thats what I was hopeing; what about hdd disk size limit do you think that I'd be able to put in say a 40gig ide harddrive and use that?? |
| 09:19.05 | iluciv | 275mhz I think not dvb :) |
| 09:19.07 | pahartik | iluciv: but you have to feel comfortable with Unix, or at least adapt to it |
| 09:19.48 | iluciv | oh I've run linux on x86 I've never used any other arch though |
| 09:21.17 | pahartik | iluciv: oh, my PowerMacintosh 7500 with 166 MHz PowerPC 604e is good DVB servers, two TechniSat CableStar2 DVB-C tuners, Intel EtherExpress PRO/1000 ethernet adapter, 72 GiB SCSI harddisk... |
| 09:22.08 | iluciv | really?? |
| 09:22.39 | iluciv | what about dvb-t cards |
| 09:24.06 | pahartik | iluciv: did set up somewhat similar configuration for parents too, but it has got different tuners, with MPEG-2 hardware decoder for video output as well... |
| 09:25.21 | pahartik | iluciv: DVB-C, DVB-T, DVB-S... they supposedly work, as long as LinuxTV-DVB drivers support tuner device |
| 09:25.27 | iluciv | how much ram do you have in those servers |
| 09:25.56 | iluciv | oh good I have one support in included in 2.6.15?? |
| 09:25.56 | pahartik | iluciv: slightly over 100 MiB of RAM |
| 09:26.35 | iluciv | this machine has 64 meg of edo ram (I think it is edo) |
| 09:27.46 | iluciv | so btw did you use bootx to install on the scsi disk and keep osx? |
| 09:28.12 | pahartik | iluciv: should be enough if one is careful not to install crap that is not needed |
| 09:28.52 | pahartik | iluciv: I used "BootX" to start Debian installer from traditional MacOS |
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| 09:30.12 | iluciv | did you remove MacOs with the deb install? sorry I'm just considering my options |
| 09:32.52 | pahartik | iluciv: it is easier to keep MacOS for while after installing, so that one can try repeatedly boot with "BootX" if "quik" does not work right away or even later |
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| 10:08.21 | iluciv | pahartik: sorry got called away for dinner :) so what was the size of your original drive with MacOS on it and did you keep that as the master ide drive? |
| 10:19.41 | pahartik | iluciv: I use SCSI harddisks... |
| 10:21.52 | pahartik | iluciv: some 200 or 300 MiB is large enough filesystem for minimal install of traditional MacOS, so that BootX can be used |
| 10:22.07 | iluciv | ok but originally you must of had a ide drive in there somewhere, I just got this box given to me today and I have no copy of MacOS8.5 with it |
| 10:22.29 | iluciv | that is to re install it |
| 10:27.28 | pahartik | iluciv: better be careful not to wipe out that installed system then, before you find traditional MacOS install media |
| 10:29.19 | iluciv | thats what I thought you'd say :( so I guess there will be no install tonight |
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| 10:45.25 | iluciv | pahartik:well I got to go thanks heaps for the info it been most helpful I'll come back sometime and let you know how I get on. thanks agian bye :) |
| 10:46.52 | pahartik | iluciv: you are welcome |
| 10:47.01 | iluciv | :) |
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| 16:05.49 | undies | anyone here get sound to work on their mac mini using debina? |
| 16:05.54 | undies | debian |
| 16:17.51 | pahartik | undies: which kernel version? |
| 16:18.05 | undies | whatever kernel comes box stock out of sarge |
| 16:18.46 | undies | samba is compiling right now. boring. |
| 16:19.11 | pahartik | undies: too old, get Linux 2.6.16 or at least Linux 2.6.15 |
| 16:19.22 | undies | stink. |
| 16:19.31 | undies | i'm no debian expert, what's the best way to upgrade that? |
| 16:20.07 | undies | i like to compile things myself, gives me something to watch while I do my billing from the week :) |
| 16:20.51 | pahartik | undies: if you do not like building kernel package with, get binary package from newer distribution branch ("etch" or "sid") |
| 16:20.57 | undies | yeah, i'm using 2.6.8-powerpc |
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| 16:21.41 | pahartik | undies: ...building kernel package with "make-kpkg" of "kernel-package"... |
| 16:21.42 | undies | i'll have to look around a bit. i'm not familiar with installing one. don't want to make the system unbootable |
| 16:21.51 | undies | i'll get those right now |
| 16:22.31 | undies | can't find the first one |
| 16:23.22 | pahartik | undies: remember to read "/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz" |
| 16:24.18 | pahartik | undies: "make-kpkg" is provided by "kernel-package" |
| 16:24.27 | undies | roger that. |
| 16:26.59 | undies | if i pick one up from http://www.ppckernel.org |
| 16:27.05 | undies | http://www.ppckernel.org/installation.php |
| 16:28.06 | undies | those aren't very verbose instructions ;) it says i'll need to add this kernel to my yaboot info. |
| 16:28.09 | pahartik | undies: get Linux source from mirror of Debian archive or mirror of kernel.org archive... |
| 16:29.42 | undies | 2.6.16.1 safe on the mac mini? |
| 16:31.17 | Corsac | does anybody uses gphoto2 ? |
| 16:31.28 | pahartik | undies: it should be... current linux-source-2.6.16 provided by Debian is up to that version |
| 16:31.56 | undies | k. downloading. |
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| 16:33.09 | pahartik | undies: but it needs some manual configuration work, as structure of PowerPC source changed between Linux 2.6.15 and Linux 2.6.16 |
| 16:33.32 | undies | heh, i think i'll go for the preconfigged one at ppc.org |
| 16:34.01 | undies | i'm just not that savvy. There's a lot in my unix books, but little on kernel configuration |
| 16:34.57 | Bor_Ed | make defconfig&&fakeroot make-kpkg binary-arch&&sudo dpkg -i linux-image* |
| 16:35.06 | Bor_Ed | that's kernel compile and install on debian |
| 16:36.20 | undies | lemme extract this thing from ppckernel |
| 16:39.07 | pahartik | undies: what exactly did you get? URL to it? |
| 16:39.24 | undies | http://www.ppckernel.org/kernel.php?id=74 |
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| 16:40.50 | undies | http://www.ppckernel.org/installation.php |
| 16:40.52 | undies | and the instructions. |
| 16:42.06 | pahartik | undies: oh, manual install of some binary... |
| 16:42.21 | undies | are you familiar with yaboot? |
| 16:44.33 | pahartik | undies: I use "yaboot" once every few weeks as I need to reboot iBook G4 after kernel upgrade or some other thing |
| 16:45.04 | undies | do you know what it needs me to do for this kernel install? |
| 16:50.02 | undies | is yaboot IS what i'm using, correct? i'm not dual booting, just debian |
| 16:52.10 | pahartik | undies: yes, it is what you are using... |
| 16:52.34 | undies | i can't find yaboot.conf |
| 16:52.42 | undies | i need some coffee. |
| 16:53.05 | undies | ybin -v runs and does some things |
| 16:54.40 | pahartik | undies: most likely "/etc/yaboot.conf" or "/boot/etc/yaboot.conf"... |
| 16:54.45 | undies | ah ha! |
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| 16:57.37 | undies | doesn't look like I need to change anything |
| 16:57.47 | undies | it has entries for vmlinux and vmlinux.old |
| 16:58.04 | undies | .old is in case the new one doesn't work right? the kernel will panic and reboot w/ the other one? |
| 17:01.04 | pahartik | undies: I usually keep at least one generic kernel binary package and few custom kernel binary packages installed |
| 17:01.19 | undies | cool. i think i'm ready for a reboot. |
| 17:02.05 | Corsac | does anybody uses a camera on debian unstable with libgphoto2 and udev ? |
| 17:02.18 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:02.25 | Bor_Ed | hmm, not sure on udev, a sec |
| 17:02.26 | Corsac | does it work at the moment ? |
| 17:02.30 | Corsac | (ok) |
| 17:02.44 | Bor_Ed | no udev here |
| 17:02.44 | Corsac | it seems that, here, the libgphoto2 rule isn't executed |
| 17:02.55 | Corsac | so the permissions on the device are wrong |
| 17:03.04 | Corsac | (root:root instead of root:camera) |
| 17:03.07 | undies | i'm scared. someone hold me. |
| 17:03.33 | undies | shutdown sequence |
| 17:04.37 | undies | fuck. |
| 17:05.05 | undies | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 17:05.24 | Q-FUNK | give the correct path on the yaboot prompt |
| 17:06.10 | pahartik | undies: that is usual, reconfigure kernel and try again... |
| 17:06.43 | undies | is it possible to boot my system w/ the old stuff? |
| 17:06.49 | undies | gotta wait 180 seconds for the reboot. |
| 17:07.21 | pahartik | undies: ...unless you actually misconfigured "yaboot"... |
| 17:07.38 | undies | it's rebooting. |
| 17:08.03 | undies | i didn't really see why it would need to be changed. yaboot.conf that is. |
| 17:08.35 | undies | same shit on the reboot. |
| 17:12.14 | pahartik | undies: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml#s9.3 |
| 17:15.14 | undies | ok. i've got it to boot: |
| 17:16.22 | pahartik | undies: I am sure "reinstall" teaches you something, but you still would not know how to set up boot loader so that kernel image is successfully booted :) |
| 17:16.31 | undies | true |
| 17:16.35 | undies | no re-install |
| 17:17.58 | undies | NVRAM reset. |
| 17:19.01 | undies | ok. now it's at boot: |
| 17:21.03 | undies | passing any of those commands returns "unknown or currupt filesystem" |
| 17:21.08 | undies | corrupt |
| 17:24.23 | pahartik | undies: you probably have something like "vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-generic" and "initrd.img-2.6.8-2-generic" in "/boot/"... |
| 17:25.13 | undies | i'm going to re-install it while i'm at the gym. then build it properly. |
| 17:27.47 | pahartik | undies: if you do not remember filenames, boot installer, mount existing root filesystem and look them up... at same time you can look up parameters that need to be appended to kernel image... |
| 17:28.15 | undies | i appreciate the help. but you've passed me up :) |
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| 17:31.22 | undies | oops. |
| 17:31.44 | undies | ok, so from a freshly installed machine, what's my best bet? |
| 17:33.57 | pahartik | undies: if you do not like to build Linux kernel package from source by yourself, use binary packages provided by Debian... |
| 17:34.17 | undies | thought: would those be provided in apt? |
| 17:35.24 | undies | i wouldn't mind building one from source. |
| 17:37.45 | pahartik | undies: yes, but if you have defined package sources for "sarge" but not "etch" and "sid", it is probably best to get package manually from Debian archive mirror and install by "dpkg --install" |
| 17:38.22 | undies | etch and sid are? the testing/unstable? |
| 17:38.38 | pahartik | undies: at the moment, yes |
| 17:39.49 | undies | and if i build one from scratch there'll be a lot of configuration? |
| 17:43.15 | pahartik | undies: when configuring kernel ("make menuconfig"), existing configuration of running kernel is read and used as default if ".config" does not exist already... |
| 17:44.15 | undies | excellent. |
| 17:44.42 | undies | now you said that the 2.6.16.1 has changed in someway? |
| 17:46.22 | pahartik | undies: migrated configuration usually works reasonably well, but may require touching some details... however, between Linux 2.6.15 and Linux 2.6.16 there is lots of changes for PowerPC, and that requires more work |
| 17:46.51 | undies | changes that are worth having i assume |
| 17:48.38 | undies | do i want the patch or the full? |
| 17:48.57 | pahartik | undies: AFAIK, duplicated code between PPC32 and PPC64 was removed... they were joined to single structure |
| 17:50.26 | undies | http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/config-2.6.9 |
| 17:50.32 | undies | can i stick that in there somewhere? |
| 17:50.34 | pahartik | undies: I recommend looking at "/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/"... it contains current kernel binary packages and source packages |
| 17:50.46 | undies | ahh, packages! |
| 17:51.27 | pahartik | undies: ...that at Debian archive mirror... |
| 17:51.33 | undies | looking |
| 17:52.00 | undies | any of those for ppc? |
| 17:53.28 | pahartik | undies: "linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc_2.6.15-8_powerpc.deb", "linux-image-2.6.16-1-powerpc_2.6.16-4_powerpc.deb", "linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-8_all.deb" and "linux-source-2.6.16_2.6.16-4_all.deb" should be relevant to you |
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| 20:45.14 | k155la3 | I can't load the ondemand cpufreq scaling governer on ppc since the last kernel upgrade (2.6.15-1-powerpc). Anyone with any idea why? |
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| 23:37.17 | undies | The IT crowd is a damn funny show. |