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| 03:05.35 | meta-ridley | anyone know if installing linux on your mac voids the warranty? |
| 03:09.30 | pahartik | meta-ridley: it does not... |
| 03:09.41 | meta-ridley | im surprised |
| 03:24.57 | pahartik | meta-ridley: did you read "http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/hardware.html"? |
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| 03:47.12 | simonrvn | wtf would it void your warranty? |
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| 06:45.56 | Corsac | hi johill |
| 06:46.00 | johill | morning :) |
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| 18:01.29 | denken | isnt there a way to cut cut to grab the *last* field when the number of fields is unknown? |
| 18:06.14 | denken | ah. rev |
| 18:06.39 | denken | blah/bleh/boo | rev | cut -d / -f 1 | rev |
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| 19:34.14 | aatcman | Hi |
| 19:34.38 | aatcman | how do I get rid of the need for a boot disk in my power pc debian setup? |
| 19:34.39 | aatcman | thanks |
| 19:37.30 | aatcman | :o) |
| 19:45.37 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:54.01 | aatcman | my power pc debian set up WILL NOT boot without a boot disk. How do I fix that? |
| 19:54.03 | aatcman | :o) |
| 19:57.18 | pahartik | aatcman: if "boot disk" refers to "floppy disk", I think it is safe to assume "OldWorld"... |
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| 20:01.01 | aatcman | nope |
| 20:01.24 | aatcman | "boot disk" refers to any removable media required to boot an OS |
| 20:01.28 | aatcman | in my case, a CD |
| 20:02.14 | aatcman | Also, you may be right -- if a power book 1400cs/166 is considered "oldworld" |
| 20:02.29 | aatcman | assuming oldworld, how do I do it? |
| 20:07.22 | pahartik | aatcman: "quik" is Linux bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacintosh workstations |
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| 20:08.01 | aatcman | what is quik? |
| 20:10.36 | tcsetattr | an old bootloader |
| 20:10.42 | pahartik | aatcman: "http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=quik&searchon=names&version=all&release=main" |
| 20:11.37 | simonrvn | @quik |
| 20:11.38 | ravenbird | quik is, like, the primary bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacs. at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik, or see ng for OldWorld Powerbook G3s |
| 20:14.19 | aatcman | ok, how do I install this? |
| 20:15.17 | aatcman | it seems to come either as a *.deb or a *.tar.gz |
| 20:15.17 | aatcman | which do I want and how do I use it? |
| 20:16.23 | aatcman | If it helps, the "netinstall" disk IS bootable in my system |
| 20:18.49 | aatcman | Also, I just got done installing x-windows with aptitude -- how do i START xwindows? |
| 20:18.57 | aatcman | xwin doesn't work |
| 20:19.26 | aatcman | :o) |
| 20:19.52 | simonrvn | man startx |
| 20:20.08 | simonrvn | man dpkg; /-i to install debs |
| 20:20.25 | simonrvn | might want to sudo apt-get install less |
| 20:22.09 | aatcman | ok, i typed "startx" and it came up with 2 lines saying "********file does not exist" |
| 20:22.32 | simonrvn | you didn't install x |
| 20:22.36 | simonrvn | @xwindows |
| 20:22.37 | ravenbird | from memory, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 20:24.51 | aatcman | ? I just used aptitude to install the x11 packages -- it took almost an hour |
| 20:25.05 | aatcman | Am I typing the wrong command? |
| 20:25.18 | aatcman | what is @xwindows ? |
| 20:25.27 | simonrvn | x-window-system-core at the very least. gnome or kde don't drag x in |
| 20:25.34 | simonrvn | i told the bot to say that |
| 20:25.44 | aatcman | ??????????? |
| 20:26.06 | aatcman | why cant I just type startx ? |
| 20:26.52 | aatcman | one would think after an hour of instalation, it would at least run something |
| 20:27.36 | simonrvn | startx is in the xbase-client package. if it isn't installed (from dpkg -l xbase-clients, and you don't see 'ii' at the beginning) then it isn't installed |
| 20:27.40 | simonrvn | gtg |
| 20:28.12 | aatcman | ii at the beginning of what? |
| 20:28.14 | simonrvn | just because you spent an hour installing stuff doesn't mean you installed the right things ;) |
| 20:28.24 | simonrvn | re-read what i said |
| 20:28.33 | aatcman | so if x11 isnt x11, why is it labed x11? |
| 20:29.11 | aatcman | I installed the entire x-11 package from disc 1 |
| 20:29.28 | aatcman | I saw it loading things like mozilla and open office and etc... |
| 20:30.18 | tcsetattr | you may be missing the X11 server... |
| 20:30.21 | aatcman | when I type startx, I get the following |
| 20:30.41 | aatcman | using authorty file root/.Xauthoriy |
| 20:30.54 | aatcman | Writing Authority file [same] |
| 20:31.07 | aatcman | Using authority file [same] |
| 20:31.16 | aatcman | Writing authrority file [same] |
| 20:32.24 | aatcman | giving up |
| 20:32.59 | aatcman | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 20:33.25 | aatcman | xinit: no such process (errno 3): Server error |
| 20:33.30 | aatcman | :o) |
| 20:33.53 | simonrvn | don't run it as root |
| 20:34.04 | simonrvn | and i'm gone |
| 20:34.40 | aatcman | ok, I ran it as a regualr user, same response |
| 20:37.38 | aatcman | :o) |
| 20:39.33 | aatcman | :o) |
| 20:40.36 | aatcman | If I am missing the X11 server, where do i get it? And why isnt it in the X11 package? |
| 20:40.46 | aatcman | what good is the package if it isnt useful? |
| 20:42.39 | tcsetattr | there are lots of packages with "x11" in their names, but there is no package just called "X11" |
| 20:42.42 | tcsetattr | what are you referring to? |
| 20:43.03 | aatcman | the package on disk one called X11 |
| 20:43.25 | aatcman | Here is EXACTALLY what I did: |
| 20:43.48 | aatcman | I put the disk (disk one from download site) in my debain box |
| 20:43.59 | aatcman | I typed apt-cdrom add |
| 20:44.07 | aatcman | I typed aptitude |
| 20:44.18 | aatcman | I selected the X11 package |
| 20:44.30 | aatcman | I selected "install package" |
| 20:44.36 | aatcman | I pressed g |
| 20:44.42 | aatcman | I pressed g again |
| 20:44.48 | aatcman | it installed for about an hour |
| 20:45.04 | tcsetattr | the "x11" in the aptitutde listing is a section, not a package. It contains lots of packages |
| 20:45.15 | tcsetattr | I didn't know you could select a whole section in aptitude |
| 20:45.46 | aatcman | yup -- select the section like you would a package -- it just selects all packages within it |
| 20:46.18 | tcsetattr | ok, now that that's cleared up |
| 20:46.28 | aatcman | yes, It does have a lot of stuff. Apprently, someone left enough out so that it wont work ,though |
| 20:46.43 | aatcman | so how do I make it work? |
| 20:46.45 | tcsetattr | maybe it's too much stuff, and there's conflicts within it if you install all of it |
| 20:47.20 | pahartik | aatcman: you are caught in strange newbie situation... |
| 20:47.37 | aatcman | So why not put the excess on disk 2 so us newbies can do it? |
| 20:48.29 | tcsetattr | you've done something that nobody ever anticipated. |
| 20:48.31 | aatcman | o |
| 20:49.00 | aatcman | mstcorefonts gave a processing error -- sorry, forgot about that |
| 20:49.03 | aatcman | ?????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 20:49.06 | tcsetattr | most people would use tasksel to install a huge clump of packages |
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| 20:49.19 | aatcman | Nobody anticipated someone reading the screen and deciding they wanted x11? |
| 20:49.31 | aatcman | correction |
| 20:49.39 | tcsetattr | selecting a whole section! what's the keypress to select it anyway? I haven't used aptitude much |
| 20:49.44 | aatcman | most people who know what tasksel is or that it even exisits would do that |
| 20:50.21 | tcsetattr | it's been a while since I did an install, but last time I did it, tasksel came up in the normal installation sequence |
| 20:50.29 | aatcman | I did it the same way you would select an individual package -- except I highlighted the section instead |
| 20:50.58 | tcsetattr | holy crap, it does work. |
| 20:51.22 | aatcman | See even a leared guy like you can learn somthin from a newbie :o) |
| 20:51.28 | aatcman | meant learned |
| 20:51.40 | aatcman | as in wise |
| 20:51.47 | aatcman | my keyboard sticks :O) |
| 20:51.49 | aatcman | sorry |
| 20:52.25 | aatcman | It REALLY bogs the procesor though |
| 20:52.50 | aatcman | point remains, x11 doesnt work |
| 20:52.54 | aatcman | How do I fix it? |
| 20:53.01 | aatcman | Should i start over? |
| 20:53.12 | tcsetattr | I didn't see any useful error messages in what you pasted |
| 20:53.31 | tcsetattr | first you should check that an X server is actually installed |
| 20:53.37 | aatcman | how? |
| 20:53.44 | tcsetattr | dpkg -l | grep xserver |
| 20:55.17 | aatcman | ok, i typed your command above VERBATUM, it thought for a second and then gave me a blank command prompt |
| 20:56.17 | aatcman | I am assuming you wanted me to type it EXACTALLY as you put it -- to inclue the vertical line |
| 20:56.45 | aatcman | also, I am logged in as root right now -- Iget the same error when I log in as a user |
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| 20:59.38 | aatcman | I also tried dpkg -1 |
| 20:59.49 | tcsetattr | ok so you're missing an X server |
| 20:59.55 | aatcman | and it scrolled a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY long list |
| 20:59.56 | tcsetattr | try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 21:01.20 | aatcman | that gave "package x-window-system is not available but is refered to by another package |
| 21:01.45 | aatcman | This may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleeted,or is only availbe from anothe rsaource |
| 21:01.56 | tcsetattr | it gets weirder and weirder |
| 21:02.00 | aatcman | wow i really messed up the last two works |
| 21:02.00 | tcsetattr | apt-cache search xserver |
| 21:02.03 | aatcman | words |
| 21:03.08 | aatcman | that returned: xbase-clients - miscellanoius X Clients |
| 21:03.34 | aatcman | Xfree86 common -X-Window System (Xfree86) infrastructure |
| 21:04.52 | aatcman | is there any way to scroll back up when you list a really long directory? |
| 21:05.27 | tcsetattr | shift-pgup is the general scrollback key, works in console and in xterm |
| 21:05.41 | tcsetattr | however you might also like to add |less to the end of your command |
| 21:06.03 | tcsetattr | somewhere on your install CD there should be some packages named xserver-* |
| 21:06.30 | pahartik | aatcman: usual way is to pipe output to pager like "less", or use possible features of terminal like "<Shift>-<Page Up>" |
| 21:08.09 | aatcman | is there another way -- my powerbook doesnt have pageup/down keys |
| 21:08.37 | tcsetattr | do try ls | Less |
| 21:08.40 | tcsetattr | I mean ls | less |
| 21:09.43 | tcsetattr | the Law of IRC Advice: if you receive multiple suggestions, the one that works for you will be the last one you try. |
| 21:10.27 | aatcman | nope ls | less gives command not found |
| 21:10.58 | aatcman | sorry -bash: less: command not found |
| 21:11.13 | _rene_ | !installit |
| 21:11.21 | _rene_ | damn |
| 21:11.25 | _rene_ | ECHAN ;) |
| 21:11.30 | tcsetattr | this is one extreme newbie |
| 21:11.35 | aatcman | again, HOW |
| 21:11.37 | aatcman | ? |
| 21:11.49 | _rene_ | aatcman: apt-get install less |
| 21:11.51 | tcsetattr | apt-get install less |
| 21:12.03 | tcsetattr | and the next question "how do I get out of this thing"... the answer is "press Q" |
| 21:12.42 | pahartik | aatcman: "apt-get install less" |
| 21:13.58 | aatcman | got an error processing mstcorefonts |
| 21:14.28 | tcsetattr | oh, apt is stuck on the font thing and is refusing to do anything else |
| 21:14.47 | aatcman | ok, less works now |
| 21:15.35 | aatcman | so bakc to the main problem |
| 21:15.39 | aatcman | x11 |
| 21:15.57 | aatcman | I looked in the install packages -- nothing about xserver |
| 21:16.04 | tcsetattr | the main problem seems to be that your CD is missing something, or that apt-cdrom didn't do what it was supposed to do |
| 21:16.12 | aatcman | do i need another disk? |
| 21:16.14 | tcsetattr | you need some form of xserver |
| 21:16.27 | aatcman | There are 18 disks -- Is it maybe on one of the others? |
| 21:16.33 | tcsetattr | which install disk are you on? is this a stable, 3.1 sarge disk? |
| 21:17.34 | aatcman | debian-31r1-powerpc-binary-1.iso |
| 21:17.43 | tcsetattr | If I was in charge of the disks, I'd put X server on the first disk for sure. Whether it's actually there I don't know... I don't have the disks with me right now |
| 21:18.37 | aatcman | Also, just to help maybe shed some light, I did the actual install from the debian-31r1a-powerpc-netinst.iso disk |
| 21:19.10 | tcsetattr | but you did an apt-cdrom add of the binary-1 disk |
| 21:19.30 | aatcman | My intent to download everything via my wifi card. Too bad I later found out it only supports wired cards and I cant find the silly dongle for any of my wired cards |
| 21:19.38 | aatcman | yes |
| 21:20.01 | aatcman | then, I found a download for a wifi driver |
| 21:20.05 | aatcman | tried to install it |
| 21:20.25 | aatcman | just to find out that I needed make (3 hours later, I figured out how to install that) |
| 21:20.37 | aatcman | and now it wants a build file that neither it nor I can find |
| 21:21.05 | tcsetattr | well that's a lovely story. |
| 21:21.24 | aatcman | if you like stories of frustration :o) |
| 21:21.54 | aatcman | Should I start over with the 18 disks (was trying to not use SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many cds) and see if that works better? |
| 21:22.16 | tcsetattr | I suspect a problem with disk 1... |
| 21:22.22 | aatcman | ? |
| 21:22.29 | tcsetattr | that xserver should have been on there. |
| 21:22.38 | tcsetattr | if apt-cache search xserver doesn't find it, something isn't right |
| 21:23.13 | aatcman | is there an individual download for it? |
| 21:23.14 | aatcman | no, apt-cache search xserver didnt find it |
| 21:23.43 | tcsetattr | the whole apt archive is available on the Internet too, you know |
| 21:24.09 | aatcman | apt-cache search x-server returns: |
| 21:24.13 | tcsetattr | no hyphen! |
| 21:24.35 | aatcman | xbase-clients - miscellaneous X Clients |
| 21:24.35 | tcsetattr | you can run apt-setup and choose http from the menu, then apt-cache search xserver should definitely find something |
| 21:25.15 | aatcman | Xfree86-common X Window system (Xfree86) infrastructure |
| 21:26.14 | aatcman | no -- it wont -- once again, the linux machine is NOT connected due to lack of wifi card support and my losing my wired dongle |
| 21:26.57 | tcsetattr | you asked if you could download it... |
| 21:27.50 | aatcman | as a file I can burn to cd with my xppro box |
| 21:29.52 | tcsetattr | http://packages.debian.org/xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:30.09 | aatcman | Also, when I boot, it displys three error lines about the pcmcia (000-ffff) or something like that |
| 21:32.39 | aatcman | I read somewhere 1000's of pages ago that there is a fix for 16bit pcmcia -- but I cant remember where it is or what it is |
| 21:38.58 | aatcman | ok |
| 21:39.05 | aatcman | I have the .deb file |
| 21:39.08 | aatcman | how do I use it |
| 21:39.34 | tcsetattr | dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 21:40.35 | aatcman | that is a long command :o) |
| 21:40.51 | tcsetattr | not if you know The Secret |
| 21:41.06 | aatcman | it seems to be starting to install it now |
| 21:41.11 | aatcman | whats the secret? |
| 21:41.16 | tcsetattr | the secret which I will impart unto you now shall save you millions of keypresses... |
| 21:41.24 | tcsetattr | don't type the whole filename. Just type the beginning and press TAB. |
| 21:42.47 | aatcman | wow, thatnks |
| 21:42.49 | aatcman | thanks |
| 21:42.51 | aatcman | :o) |
| 21:43.09 | aatcman | ok, new problem. It wants a video card bus indentifier ? |
| 21:43.18 | aatcman | how do i know that? |
| 21:43.35 | tcsetattr | leave that blank |
| 21:43.42 | tcsetattr | you only need to put that in if you have more than one video card |
| 21:44.58 | aatcman | o ok -- it sure didnt sound that way -- and actually, I sorta do. Its a powerbook 1400 -- dont those sort see the external vga port as a second video card? |
| 21:46.12 | tcsetattr | probably not... it's more likely just a second output of the same PCI device |
| 21:46.36 | aatcman | ok |
| 21:47.10 | aatcman | any idea what to choose for the mouse port? I am just using the trackpad which worked well with everthing mouse enabled so far |
| 21:47.35 | aatcman | adbmouse? |
| 21:48.00 | tcsetattr | I can't even take a guess at that one |
| 21:48.22 | aatcman | if its wrong, I can change it later, correct? |
| 21:48.49 | aatcman | if so, I'll just select /dev/input/mice |
| 21:49.17 | tcsetattr | yeah, you can always revisit these questions |
| 21:51.52 | aatcman | what is the command to doso? |
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| 21:52.36 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:52.48 | aatcman | ok, new problem |
| 21:52.59 | aatcman | the install quit and gave the following : |
| 21:53.41 | aatcman | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xserver-xfree86: |
| 21:54.32 | aatcman | xserver-xfree86 depends on xserver-common (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5); however: |
| 21:54.41 | aatcman | Package xserver-common is not installed |
| 21:54.58 | aatcman | how do I get that? |
| 21:55.17 | tcsetattr | yeah... dependencies. when apt is working, it gets those automatically. since you've chosen to bypass apt... |
| 21:55.25 | tcsetattr | packages.debian.org/xserver-common |
| 21:56.00 | tcsetattr | you could have to repeat this back-and-forth dependency downloading several times before you get them all |
| 21:58.15 | aatcman | do I need to run the dpkg command on that too? |
| 21:58.32 | tcsetattr | yes, that's the idea |
| 21:58.42 | tcsetattr | you're really doing things the hard way. |
| 22:01.26 | aatcman | O good -- for a mintue there I thought I was going to panic because I found a shortcut!! :o) |
| 22:02.24 | aatcman | now do I need to start fresh on the main xserver package or run dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 22:03.18 | tcsetattr | you should do a dpkg -i of both of them together |
| 22:03.29 | tcsetattr | dpkg -i file1.deb file2.deb |
| 22:03.42 | aatcman | o too late |
| 22:04.33 | tcsetattr | remember to use TAB! :) |
| 22:04.33 | aatcman | I did one and then the other |
| 22:04.33 | aatcman | that TAb thing RULEZ! |
| 22:06.06 | tcsetattr | and it didn't complain this time? |
| 22:06.17 | aatcman | ok, now it says pcilib: cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 22:06.30 | aatcman | lspci: cannot find any working access method |
| 22:06.42 | aatcman | and it died |
| 22:07.32 | aatcman | so I typed startx |
| 22:07.35 | tcsetattr | you don't have /proc mounted? |
| 22:07.45 | aatcman | what is /proc ? |
| 22:07.56 | tcsetattr | you sure this was a successful installation? |
| 22:07.58 | aatcman | yes, its there |
| 22:08.16 | tcsetattr | /proc/bus/pci is there? |
| 22:08.25 | aatcman | a |
| 22:08.32 | aatcman | it seems to be a diretcory |
| 22:08.36 | aatcman | directory |
| 22:09.15 | aatcman | also says fatal server errror no screens found |
| 22:09.49 | tcsetattr | I don't know why you'd get "cannot open /proc/bus/pci" then |
| 22:10.56 | aatcman | because it would be frusterating if it workled :o) |
| 22:11.03 | aatcman | worked :o) |
| 22:22.37 | aatcman | o I meant it wouldn't be frusterating if it worked |
| 22:22.40 | aatcman | :o) |
| 22:23.45 | aatcman | ok, new errors: |
| 22:24.58 | aatcman | (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO: Invalid arguement |
| 22:25.15 | aatcman | [same] mode initialization failed |
| 22:27.07 | aatcman | so now what did I do? |
| 22:31.24 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say no to the fbdev question |
| 22:32.23 | aatcman | what is fbdev? |
| 22:33.05 | tcsetattr | framebuffer device |
| 22:35.57 | aatcman | now I get (EE) no devices detected |
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| 22:59.51 | aatcman | so what do I do now? |
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| 23:20.32 | aatcman | thanks |
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