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| 06:07.04 | mpx | hi, i have a problem with debian sarge fresh install after the first reboot of the installer. VFS: Unable mount hda12 (my root partition) |
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| 16:12.06 | vanRijn | re, all |
| 16:12.08 | vanRijn | I'm trying to get moneydance working with Linux PPC, but the only jre for 1.4 or 1.5 is IBM's jre.... Does anyone know... Are there any other java versions available for linux ppc? |
| 16:17.55 | vanRijn | Um. Java and PPC for Linux, anyone? |
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| 16:20.51 | pahartik | vanRijn: yes... |
| 16:21.09 | vanRijn | pahartik: hi there. you know of another 1.4 or 1.5 java version for linux ppc? |
| 16:22.43 | pahartik | vanRijn: Java Virtual Machines provided by Debian: cacao, kaffe, sablevm |
| 16:23.49 | vanRijn | pahartik: cool, thanks. Are they complete implementations, do you know? |
| 16:27.20 | pahartik | vanRijn: "http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaojvm/", "http://www.kaffe.org/", "http://sablevm.org/" |
| 16:29.20 | pahartik | vanRijn: official sites give much more precise information than I ever could... |
| 16:30.16 | vanRijn | pahartik: thanks very much! =:) |
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| 16:38.06 | pahartik | vanRijn: you are welcome |
| 16:40.10 | vanRijn | so... just in case you're curious... sablevm and kaffe both cannot even launch moneydance.... |
| 16:44.37 | pahartik | vanRijn: define "moneydance" |
| 16:45.25 | vanRijn | pahartik: financial application written in java. kind of like a really good Quicken-type program that works on all platforms with Java. |
| 16:49.12 | pahartik | vanRijn: Java is tricky |
| 16:50.04 | vanRijn | pahartik: well, yeah, I suppose. It's just that it works fine in Linux in general (or OS X) as long as you're using x86. travel outside the bounds of normalcy and you're screwed. |
| 16:52.01 | vanRijn | and, to finish things off, cacao doesn't work either. |
| 16:52.42 | vanRijn | thanks anyway.... =:/ |
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| 17:27.06 | Dont | hi. is there any french people who would like to help me ? |
| 17:34.25 | pahartik | Dont: no :) |
| 17:38.03 | Dont | nevermind, i'll try in english.. i'd like to install debian on a empty HFS hard-drive where i've just put yaboot. The problem is that i can't manage to launch yaboot from open firmware (error msg : "DISK-LABEL : LOAD noninterposed..." or "MAC-PARTS : specified partition is not valid"....). Any advice ? i guess i've got problem with my partition number but.. |
| 17:39.00 | Dont | .. i don't know what is exactly the problem |
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| 17:41.29 | pahartik | Dont: what do you mean by "empty HFS hard-drive"? it had HFS+ filesystem before partitioning and installing Debian GNU/Linux...? |
| 17:43.45 | pahartik | Dont: and what kind of computer is it installed on? |
| 17:44.23 | Dont | In fact i've got mac OS X on the master HD and and second HD with nothing write on.. So i turned it into Mac OS standard format, as it is ask on the debian's installation guide.. |
| 17:44.51 | Dont | it's a G4 newworld |
| 17:46.43 | pahartik | Dont: you successfully installed Debian GNU/Linux system but did not want to write "yaboot" on primary harddisk, and do not know how to load and run it from secondary harddisk? |
| 17:49.29 | Dont | in fact i haven't yet successfully installed Debian cause i can launch... the installer :) |
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| 17:49.53 | pahartik | Dont: do you have installer on CD or DVD media? |
| 17:50.21 | felicitas | hallo |
| 17:50.31 | felicitas | pahartic it works |
| 17:51.12 | pahartik | felicitas: you got SIP problems solved? what did you do? |
| 17:53.58 | Dont | pahartic : yes i burn a CD-r from an iso image. but i cannot launch it pressing "c" when i restart the computer because as a result i've got a frozen brown screen |
| 17:55.37 | felicitas | phartic |
| 17:55.45 | felicitas | you wont believe it |
| 17:55.53 | felicitas | it was only one klick |
| 17:56.01 | felicitas | in the alsa player |
| 17:56.06 | felicitas | the micro |
| 17:56.12 | pahartik | Dont: before seeing yaboot prompt? before seeing early start-up messages from kernel? before seeing usual "dmesg" messages from kernel? |
| 17:57.02 | pahartik | felicitas: do you mean you had to use "alsamixer" to change things? |
| 17:57.35 | pahartik | felicitas: "things" as in "mixer settings" |
| 17:58.13 | Dont | pahartik : yep. does it surprised you ? (i've got the same problem with Ubuntu-live or install CD) |
| 17:58.38 | pahartik | felicitas: I thought I asked if you had succeeded on recording audio with "arecord"... |
| 18:01.08 | pahartik | Dont: sounds like your firmware does not like "yaboot"... or graphics adapter does not co-operating well with it... or some other hardware incompatibility happens with "yaboot" |
| 18:02.35 | pahartik | Dont: see if firmware upgrades exist for that workstation main board or graphics adapter... or try another graphics adapter... |
| 18:03.38 | Dont | pahartik : i'm not sure to understand what do you call graphic adapter? |
| 18:04.10 | Dont | pahartik : something like driver for my screen ? |
| 18:04.11 | pahartik | Dont: "graphics adapter" as in "frame buffer" |
| 18:07.28 | pahartik | Dont: part of workstation computer that does have analog or digital video output... |
| 18:08.32 | Dont | pahartik : have you already hear about this kind of problem ? |
| 18:08.41 | pahartik | Dont: ...to deliver signal for display devices... |
| 18:09.39 | pahartik | Dont: I cannot say that I have |
| 18:10.24 | Dont | pahartik : do you think that if i succeed in launching yaboot from openfirmware i will have the same result that when i try to launch debian from CD ? is it sure for you ? |
| 18:10.33 | pahartik | Dont: have you seen "http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml#s9.2"? |
| 18:15.28 | Dont | pahartik : thanx for your link! |
| 18:17.32 | Dont | pahartik : it seem to be related with my problem.. i jsut don't understand in the "device type" what's the differnce between "primary controller" and "secondary controller". Could you just try to tell me more about that and then i'll try restart open firmware. |
| 18:17.48 | pahartik | Dont: also try booting interactively through OpenFirmware from CD... might make some difference |
| 18:18.02 | pahartik | Dont: they are IDE terms... |
| 18:19.27 | Dont | i know in my case that yaboot is on a slave disk but i dont know if it's on a primary or secondary controller.. |
| 18:19.53 | pahartik | Dont: that document describes OpenFirmware device name alias for two IDE devices on two separate IDE buses |
| 18:20.42 | Dont | ... you mean i have only one ? that's it ? :) |
| 18:22.50 | pahartik | Dont: most G4 workstations probably have got two IDE buses |
| 18:23.35 | Dont | so ? you think i have to type ide1 or ultra1 ? |
| 18:25.13 | pahartik | Dont: no idea, depends on how disk devices have been physically attached |
| 18:25.26 | Dont | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.49 | pahartik | Dont: do you know that you can do simple things like "ls" on OpenFirmware...? |
| 18:26.30 | Dont | no...... |
| 18:27.11 | Dont | i'll do |
| 18:27.47 | pahartik | Dont: to figure out what OpenFirmware actually sees on devices... NetBSD/macppc documentation has got nice OpenFirmware tips... |
| 18:29.02 | Dont | i'm gonna try all these things.. see you later.. perhaps.. |
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| 18:54.28 | Dont | pahartik : can you help me a little more ? it's better but not yet perfect |
| 18:56.12 | pahartik | Dont: I can try to... |
| 18:59.59 | Dont | so.. i succeed in opening yaboot but once it is opened, it doesn't want to install GNU |
| 19:00.32 | Dont | when i write "install" yaboot tells me : |
| 19:01.35 | Dont | pahartik : can't open device <cd:0> cd:9,/install/boot.msg : unable to open file, invalid device |
| 19:02.43 | Dont | and also : "Warning : bootstrap partition type is wrong "Apple_HFS" type should be "Apple_Bootstrap"" |
| 19:03.12 | Dont | what do you think about that ? |
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| 19:06.08 | pahartik | Dont: looks like it somehow tries to access wrong device... I do not know "yaboot" or Debian installer internals very well... |
| 19:07.18 | Dont | do you think the warning message is important ? i'm afraid to erase the bas hard disk (i.e. the one with all my data) ? |
| 19:09.30 | Dont | pahartik: do you know something about "apple_bootstrap" type of partition : do i have to create one or you don't know ? |
| 19:13.22 | Dont | pahartik: i'm reading the netBSDmacppc FAQ, maybe i'll find answer in it |
| 19:13.23 | pahartik | Dont: "Apple_Bootstrap" partition is required for booting... |
| 19:14.04 | Dont | pahartik: ... for booting OSX or GNU/linux (or both ?) ? |
| 19:14.49 | pahartik | Dont: "yaboot" will live on that partition... |
| 19:16.47 | Dont | pahartik: understand |
| 19:16.53 | pahartik | Dont: MacOS X does not need "yaboot" for booting, but Linux does |
| 19:17.12 | Dont | pahartik: understand too |
| 19:17.20 | Dont | pahartik: :) |
| 19:19.45 | Dont | pahartik: do you think i have to use the app "pdisk" provide by netBSD to create an appropriate partition ? you know this app ? |
| 19:22.47 | pahartik | Dont: you still have not been able to start Debian installer? "yaboot" falls back to prompt after those messages? |
| 19:26.35 | Dont | pahartik: i'm not sure to understand the end of your question. When i type "install" after the yaboot prompt it tells me the message i copy to you ("can't open device <cd:0>...) |
| 19:28.22 | Dont | pahartik: maybe i've just to put the right path of my cd reader ? (it must be cd:3 or cd:4) i should try |
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| 19:31.36 | Dont | pahartik: i have to go, thanx again |
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| 20:35.50 | tarzeau | has someone got sid with non-free accelerated x drivers or slow drivers and could try briquolo to see if #362897 is reproducible please? |
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