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| 02:04.17 | felicitas | hallo |
| 02:04.41 | felicitas | does anyone of you use debian ppc unstable? |
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| 02:36.53 | felicitas | somebody on the pc? |
| 02:41.37 | pahartik | felicitas: kind of |
| 02:49.39 | felicitas | do you know what i have to change in the sorces list if i want to change from testing to unstable ppc`ß |
| 02:49.42 | felicitas | ? |
| 02:52.02 | felicitas | pahartik? |
| 02:52.04 | pahartik | felicitas: just add "sid" source entries next to "etch" source entries... |
| 02:52.17 | felicitas | oh |
| 02:52.35 | felicitas | but take the etch away? |
| 02:52.57 | felicitas | or etch +sid? |
| 02:53.46 | felicitas | i want to make a disupgrade |
| 02:54.24 | felicitas | ? |
| 02:55.31 | pahartik | felicitas: then I guess you could remove "etch" source entries, or comment them out... |
| 02:56.00 | felicitas | so instead of etch put sid there? |
| 02:56.15 | felicitas | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot powerpc Binary-1 (20060302)]/ etch main |
| 02:56.15 | felicitas | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 02:56.15 | felicitas | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 02:56.15 | felicitas | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 02:56.15 | felicitas | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 02:58.54 | pahartik | felicitas: http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/kiara.etc.apt.sources.list |
| 02:59.20 | pahartik | felicitas: ...I have it like that... |
| 02:59.42 | felicitas | experimental ist das sid? |
| 03:16.34 | pahartik | felicitas: no, "experimental" is not "sid" |
| 03:18.04 | felicitas | what ist the difference? |
| 03:21.49 | pahartik | felicitas: "Warning: The experimental distribution contains software that is likely unstable or buggy and may even cause data loss. If you ignore this warning and install it nevertheless, you do it on your own risk." |
| 03:51.19 | felicitas | i rather use sid |
| 03:51.20 | felicitas | im just making a distupgrade |
| 03:51.20 | felicitas | could you come to #debian.de |
| 03:51.20 | felicitas | there is somebody asking something about sound |
| 03:51.21 | felicitas | and everybody ist sleeping there |
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| 04:59.03 | robertwall | Umm... the links in the channel topic seem to be broken. They both redirect to http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ . Changing them to http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.shtml and http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/index.en.shtml might be a good idea |
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| 05:43.58 | simonrvn | dunno, they work here |
| 05:50.31 | robertwall | I just checked on another computer, and they're redirecting to yaboot home there, too. |
| 05:50.44 | robertwall | You might have them cached? |
| 05:51.25 | simonrvn | no, haven't gone there in 2 years or more. |
| 05:51.33 | simonrvn | (until just now) |
| 05:52.49 | robertwall | Ah, that would be a problem. I'm looking at ChanServ's output, not the topic *kicks self* |
| 05:53.22 | robertwall | Topic *is* right. ChanServ isn't. |
| 05:54.24 | robertwall | ...except it now is |
| 05:54.40 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:55.15 | robertwall | hmm. I'm gonna disappear before I confuse myself any more. |
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| 09:09.05 | gnu2it2 | where do you get JVM JDK etc. |
| 09:12.29 | pahartik | gnu2it2: free Java Virtual Machines provided by Debian: "cacao" - "http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaojvm/", "jamvm" - "http://jamvm.sourceforge.net/", "kaffe" - "http://www.kaffe.org/", "sablevm" - "http://sablevm.org/" |
| 09:12.57 | gnu2it2 | thanks |
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| 13:44.11 | marchino | is there j2ee for ppc? |
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| 17:15.48 | felicitas | hallo |
| 17:16.43 | Corsac | hi |
| 17:17.01 | felicitas | could somebody help me i had typed apt-get update and when i did this a new kernel had install itself and now i cant boot linux ppc anymore |
| 17:17.23 | felicitas | what can i do now? |
| 17:18.06 | felicitas | only mac osx or cd |
| 17:21.18 | pahartik | felicitas: use earlier kernel |
| 17:21.26 | felicitas | i cant |
| 17:21.50 | felicitas | it wont let me boot into linux anymore |
| 17:22.09 | pahartik | felicitas: did you remove all earlier kernel image packages for some reason? |
| 17:22.14 | felicitas | no |
| 17:22.22 | felicitas | i removed nothing |
| 17:22.36 | felicitas | i didnt ask for the new kernel |
| 17:22.50 | felicitas | it came along with an apt-get update |
| 17:23.42 | felicitas | hw can i rescue the system |
| 17:23.47 | pahartik | felicitas: do you still have "Linux", "MacOS X" and "from CD-ROM" as choice to boot? |
| 17:23.52 | felicitas | how do i get back into it? |
| 17:24.02 | felicitas | jes |
| 17:24.08 | felicitas | but it wont boot linux |
| 17:24.11 | felicitas | it does |
| 17:24.44 | felicitas | but then it says cant find the modules and the path |
| 17:24.58 | felicitas | i can boot macosx and the cd |
| 17:25.48 | pahartik | felicitas: read documentation at "http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/index.shtml" carefully? |
| 17:26.37 | felicitas | that never apened to me before |
| 17:29.18 | felicitas | i read that and then i come back |
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| 18:56.39 | garbled | are there any CD's that are bootable on a prep machine? |
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| 19:10.26 | witch | Etch got a new kernel, which is automatically installed on upgrade? |
| 19:13.47 | pahartik | witch: latest available kernel package version is installed along with other latest package versions, unless something else is requested... |
| 19:14.36 | witch | in the german channel there is a report, that the system does not boot now any longer |
| 19:16.57 | pahartik | witch: it is always good to keep few earlier kernel versions that are known to work... |
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| 19:35.59 | witch | pahartik: If you install a new kernel yourself, yes, But if it comes automatically with apt-get upgrade, some might not have a look or do not know, what to do |
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| 19:52.36 | pahartik | witch: I have only used custom built workstation-specific kernels for long time, but did try Linux 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 binary packages provided by Debian... on PowerMacintosh 5500 with BootX |
| 19:55.50 | pahartik | witch: after editing files in "/etc/mkinitramfs/" and building ramdisk image again, 2.6.15 worked... maybe 2.6.16 would have worked too, but I tried that first and filesystem had not enough free space for both... |
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| 20:43.22 | witch | pahartik: /etc/mkinitramfs ? Is that always needed to be edited? not done automatically? |
| 20:43.55 | witch | I got no luck with any newer kernel. |
| 20:48.29 | pahartik | witch: I edited "/etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf" and "/etc/mkinitramfs/modules", as otherwise system got stuck at some state before being able to mount "/" filesystem |
| 20:54.18 | witch | which kernel did you get and did you get a prepackaged (binary)? |
| 20:57.08 | pahartik | witch: "linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc 2.6.15-8", binary package from Debian archive mirror |
| 21:02.01 | witch | can you mail me the changes you did? Maybe, I'd give it another try |
| 21:02.52 | witch | But on the other hand sound is not that important for me. And that is what I am missing |
| 21:05.01 | pahartik | witch: what kind of computer do you have? |
| 21:05.09 | witch | Mac mini |
| 21:10.35 | _rene_ | ah, cool |
| 21:10.43 | _rene_ | 2.6.17-rc1-git14 boots again |
| 21:11.46 | pahartik | witch: "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/initramfs.conf", "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/modules" |
| 21:12.45 | pahartik | witch: those worked for PowerMacintosh 5500, modify accordingly for Mac mini |
| 21:15.18 | witch | pahartik: Thanks a lot |
| 21:19.13 | pahartik | witch: after editing, "update-initramfs -v -u -k 2.6.15-1-powerpc" to generate ramdisk image |
| 21:28.52 | witch | and will it work then to boot the old kernel, if no success? |
| 21:30.26 | _rene_ | depends on how you configure yaboot. if you make the ol image accessible, sure ;) |
| 21:30.37 | pahartik | witch: keep old kernel images installed, and "yaboot" configured to easily boot any chosen version |
| 21:32.15 | witch | waht does that mean "to easily boot" |
| 21:32.17 | witch | ? |
| 21:32.57 | witch | http://paste.debian.net/5991 |
| 21:35.50 | pahartik | witch: define "label" for each kernel image, so that name of "kernel image" and "ramdisk image" files and other boot parameters do not need to be typed each time on "yaboot" prompt |
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| 22:23.39 | witch | pahartik: http://pastebin.com/668126 - any Idea, why she cannot boot the kernel? |
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