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| 03:05.36 | felicitas | morgen |
| 03:05.42 | felicitas | ist schon wer wach? |
| 03:08.00 | pahartik | felicitas: what happened? |
| 03:08.25 | felicitas | oh jeh |
| 03:08.33 | felicitas | i was in hospital |
| 03:08.45 | felicitas | i had terrible pain in myarm |
| 03:08.59 | felicitas | that night when my system broke |
| 03:09.24 | felicitas | i had been on the pc füor 18 hours trying to solve it |
| 03:09.30 | felicitas | to long |
| 03:09.51 | felicitas | you see i had an op on my spine 6 years ago |
| 03:10.00 | felicitas | anyway |
| 03:10.13 | felicitas | the problem is still there |
| 03:10.24 | felicitas | shal i discribe it? |
| 03:10.36 | pahartik | felicitas: probably |
| 03:10.59 | felicitas | i had to install debian testing fresh to be here now |
| 03:11.10 | felicitas | and this is what happens |
| 03:12.13 | felicitas | a few days ago i made an apt-get update an then followed by upgrade as i had normaly done- the only difference was,that a new kernel installed itself |
| 03:12.23 | felicitas | after that i tried to boot |
| 03:12.35 | felicitas | but it didnt work anymore |
| 03:12.43 | felicitas | i checked the yaboot |
| 03:12.55 | felicitas | there was nothing wrong with that |
| 03:13.21 | felicitas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.49 | felicitas | i start booting normaly |
| 03:15.34 | felicitas | after a while it says |
| 03:15.53 | felicitas | mounting root file |
| 03:15.56 | felicitas | system |
| 03:16.09 | felicitas | bigin running scripts |
| 03:16.17 | felicitas | local- top |
| 03:16.45 | felicitas | link is up at 100mbps full duplex |
| 03:16.50 | felicitas | then |
| 03:16.59 | felicitas | no controler found |
| 03:17.17 | felicitas | error inserting i8042 |
| 03:17.29 | felicitas | cant access tty |
| 03:17.39 | felicitas | and that was it |
| 03:17.55 | felicitas | it wont go on further |
| 03:18.03 | felicitas | what i ve done now |
| 03:18.08 | felicitas | i install new |
| 03:18.15 | felicitas | but i dont upgrade |
| 03:18.26 | felicitas | then rebooting works |
| 03:18.40 | felicitas | if this nw kernel dont install itself |
| 03:18.53 | felicitas | what do you say to that? |
| 03:19.00 | pahartik | felicitas: did it also happen with older kernel after upgrade? |
| 03:19.06 | felicitas | no |
| 03:19.19 | felicitas | i hab testing for month |
| 03:19.25 | felicitas | nothing happened |
| 03:19.35 | felicitas | until a few dauys ago |
| 03:19.50 | felicitas | when the new kernel installed itself |
| 03:20.01 | felicitas | i installed 3 or 4 times |
| 03:20.07 | felicitas | always the same |
| 03:20.26 | felicitas | when i make a apt-get upgrade after apt-get update |
| 03:20.43 | felicitas | i must be this kernel |
| 03:20.51 | felicitas | i didnt ask for it |
| 03:21.00 | felicitas | it came by itself |
| 03:21.00 | pahartik | felicitas: why did you not have another kernel that works? |
| 03:21.11 | felicitas | i did |
| 03:21.22 | felicitas | but i could boot it anymore |
| 03:21.32 | felicitas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.51 | felicitas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.57 | felicitas | the whole shit |
| 03:22.12 | felicitas | it didnt worhk |
| 03:22.19 | felicitas | it must be a bug |
| 03:22.46 | felicitas | my yaboot config is the way it should be |
| 03:22.59 | felicitas | i showed to people in debian.de |
| 03:23.24 | felicitas | they coundnt find anything wrong with it |
| 03:23.26 | pahartik | felicitas: I always keep at least one older kernel version installed, whenever upgrading... |
| 03:23.37 | felicitas | i have too |
| 03:23.48 | felicitas | i didnt take it away |
| 03:24.03 | felicitas | butt when booting its not found anymore |
| 03:24.26 | felicitas | the new kernel does somethimg to the modules |
| 03:25.01 | felicitas | it must be a bug |
| 03:25.06 | felicitas | whatelse |
| 03:25.30 | pahartik | felicitas: well, maybe you did not have boot loader properly configured to boot other kernel version by request |
| 03:25.40 | felicitas | i have |
| 03:25.57 | felicitas | they told me so in debian.de |
| 03:26.19 | felicitas | i pastet it |
| 03:26.24 | felicitas | in paste com |
| 03:26.31 | felicitas | before i booted |
| 03:26.40 | felicitas | thay said its ok |
| 03:27.23 | felicitas | what system habe you installed etch or sarge? |
| 03:28.45 | felicitas | do you know what happenes when i install |
| 03:28.51 | felicitas | thats funnny too |
| 03:29.00 | felicitas | before that didnt happen |
| 03:29.05 | pahartik | felicitas: it is possible that new kernel version has got bug that prevents it from booting on your system... it is likely that you did something wrong since you was not able to boot any of previous kernel versions |
| 03:29.25 | felicitas | i didnt do anything |
| 03:29.36 | felicitas | i installed 4 times for test |
| 03:29.58 | felicitas | and i pasted the yaboot cobfig in debian.de |
| 03:30.10 | felicitas | al i did after installing was |
| 03:30.16 | felicitas | apt-get update |
| 03:30.21 | felicitas | apt-get upgrade |
| 03:30.27 | felicitas | nothing else |
| 03:31.11 | felicitas | and the new kernel came |
| 03:31.17 | felicitas | and that was it |
| 03:31.39 | felicitas | something should be done about this bug |
| 03:31.54 | felicitas | one thing |
| 03:32.00 | felicitas | when i install |
| 03:32.07 | felicitas | its a netinstall |
| 03:32.13 | felicitas | fresh image |
| 03:32.19 | pahartik | felicitas: I have OldWorld and NewWorld PowerMacintoshes, using packages from sarge, etch and sid branches, choosing manually which version of which package I prefer to have |
| 03:32.26 | felicitas | later on there is the option |
| 03:32.46 | felicitas | what soft ware i want |
| 03:33.16 | felicitas | i chose everything |
| 03:33.30 | felicitas | so xserver should come along |
| 03:33.37 | felicitas | but it does nt |
| 03:33.48 | felicitas | i have to install it afterwards |
| 03:33.59 | felicitas | and this ist what i install |
| 03:34.02 | felicitas | : |
| 03:35.23 | pahartik | felicitas: and using custom workstation-specific kernels packages I build, but recently I did test Linux 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 kernel package provided by Debian just to see if I can make BootX to boot them |
| 03:35.55 | felicitas | i chose.xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi xfonts-scalable and server-xfree86 ,but xserver xorg installs itself |
| 03:36.04 | felicitas | then i type startx |
| 03:36.11 | felicitas | and it works |
| 03:36.47 | felicitas | but after apt-get upd+upgrade |
| 03:36.51 | felicitas | finito |
| 03:37.00 | felicitas | the kernel |
| 03:37.53 | felicitas | i didnt ask for the kernel |
| 03:38.00 | felicitas | it comes by itself |
| 03:38.16 | felicitas | before that happened |
| 03:38.27 | felicitas | everything worked fine |
| 03:39.32 | felicitas | so what do you think |
| 03:39.44 | felicitas | when will this bug be fixed? |
| 03:40.01 | felicitas | i can live with not upgrading |
| 03:40.37 | felicitas | even though i woud have liked to to unstable because of the mplayer |
| 03:41.00 | felicitas | i cant find a package for testing |
| 03:41.22 | pahartik | felicitas: if kernel packages get removed by accident when upgrading, you need to learn how to use package management utilities... if chosen kernel packages are still installed after upgrading but booting fails, you need to learn how to configure boot loader |
| 03:41.53 | felicitas | but pahartik |
| 03:42.12 | felicitas | do you want my bootloader config i have saved it |
| 03:42.18 | felicitas | i printed it |
| 03:42.37 | felicitas | i have it on a paper i saved it |
| 03:42.46 | pahartik | felicitas: if you can refer to it by URL... |
| 03:43.16 | felicitas | i would have to type it i have it on apiece of paper |
| 03:43.51 | felicitas | i dont think its still on paste com |
| 03:44.00 | felicitas | ican give you the link |
| 03:44.45 | felicitas | but i think it will be gone they dont save it that long do they? |
| 03:44.56 | felicitas | but i can type it for you |
| 03:47.16 | pahartik | felicitas: you cannot give link, as IRC is not application of hypertext... IRC does not have that sort of concept (except for possible links between IRC servers)... however, you can give URL... |
| 03:48.05 | felicitas | i can type it in your query |
| 03:48.11 | felicitas | that works |
| 03:51.06 | felicitas | can you see the yaboot in your query? |
| 03:51.53 | felicitas | when i make the upgrade it says that some modules wont be loadet til rebbot |
| 03:53.25 | pahartik | felicitas: and for some reason, crappy raw copy of it ended up at "http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=672632" |
| 03:53.51 | felicitas | ? |
| 03:54.08 | felicitas | cant you see it in your query window? |
| 03:55.09 | felicitas | i putt i on pste bin again |
| 03:55.13 | felicitas | hang on |
| 04:00.00 | felicitas | http://pastebin.com/672639 |
| 04:01.45 | pahartik | felicitas: I think it is safer to have labels like this: "http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=672641" |
| 04:02.10 | felicitas | i cant chose |
| 04:02.19 | felicitas | i type in the browser |
| 04:02.34 | felicitas | http://pastebin.com |
| 04:03.11 | felicitas | what do you say to the yaboot.conf? |
| 04:03.12 | pahartik | felicitas: I refer to textual content of that document... |
| 04:04.51 | felicitas | i sent it again the nomber ist now 672644 |
| 04:05.00 | felicitas | can you read it? |
| 04:05.42 | pahartik | felicitas: I can see it once again, but no changes on it |
| 04:06.18 | felicitas | wghat do you sa to the yaboot config? |
| 04:06.40 | felicitas | or shall i send it to you in an email.maybe? |
| 04:07.43 | felicitas | debian has to work im sick of os panther |
| 04:08.12 | felicitas | my i386 ist broken so i have to use the old mac |
| 04:08.30 | pahartik | felicitas: I have seen your "/etc/yaboot.conf", have made suggestion, but I think this discussion is going nowhere |
| 04:08.55 | felicitas | i dont understand what you sugested |
| 04:09.24 | felicitas | what do i have to change? |
| 04:09.38 | pahartik | felicitas: define labels that point to actual files and not to symbolic links |
| 04:10.31 | felicitas | do you mean pastebin? |
| 04:12.06 | pahartik | felicitas: I refer to example I gave of such label |
| 04:13.54 | felicitas | pastebin gave me that label |
| 04:15.27 | pahartik | felicitas: very good |
| 04:16.20 | felicitas | pastebin gave me that short label |
| 04:26.27 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6079 |
| 04:26.35 | felicitas | heres another one |
| 04:26.48 | felicitas | thistime from debian |
| 04:29.48 | pahartik | felicitas: that URL is not good... |
| 04:30.52 | felicitas | no? |
| 04:31.10 | felicitas | in the debian.de channel they gave me that |
| 04:31.34 | pahartik | felicitas: ok, my mistake |
| 04:33.51 | felicitas | ? |
| 04:34.29 | felicitas | anyway o lot of other people must have that bug |
| 04:34.39 | felicitas | i cant be the only one |
| 04:35.03 | felicitas | everybody i ask says its a kernelbug |
| 04:35.15 | felicitas | i have to wait |
| 04:35.32 | felicitas | or install stable til they have fixt the bug |
| 04:35.42 | felicitas | that cant be the answer |
| 04:36.07 | felicitas | i wrote in the man page for yaboot.conf |
| 04:36.22 | felicitas | there are no hints what could be wrong |
| 04:36.34 | pahartik | felicitas: there may well be kernel bug, but I doubt kernel bug removes your old kernel images or prevents you from configuring boot loader to use them |
| 04:36.59 | felicitas | but whats wrong with my config |
| 04:37.20 | felicitas | serveral people loooked at it and cant find a mistake |
| 04:37.31 | felicitas | or am i that stuped? |
| 04:41.35 | felicitas | i could make the upgrade and post you what it says in the console |
| 04:41.47 | felicitas | it i crash i take the risk |
| 04:42.18 | felicitas | maybe you seee something what it says when i type apt-get upgrade |
| 04:42.55 | felicitas | what do you think of that idea? |
| 04:44.00 | felicitas | pahartix? |
| 04:44.03 | felicitas | k |
| 04:44.10 | felicitas | pahartik? |
| 04:44.11 | pahartik | felicitas: maybe you should read "http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto"? |
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| 04:44.44 | felicitas | i have never had anything like that |
| 04:45.50 | felicitas | i have made lots of upgrades in trhe past and never anything like that happened to me |
| 04:45.50 | felicitas | i type |
| 04:45.50 | felicitas | apt-get update |
| 04:45.51 | felicitas | apt-get upgrade |
| 04:45.52 | felicitas | whats wrong with that? |
| 04:47.38 | felicitas | after that that new kernel comes |
| 04:48.00 | felicitas | ididnt ask for e new kernel-image |
| 04:48.09 | pahartik | felicitas: sure you could log everything from upgrade process, by using log feature of "screen" for example... including "dpkg --list" afterwards... |
| 04:49.29 | felicitas | what do you think of if i type upgrade and you look at what it says in the terminal |
| 04:49.50 | felicitas | then you see exactly what it says |
| 04:51.22 | pahartik | felicitas: if you like to try |
| 04:52.42 | felicitas | shall i put whats in my terminal after typing apt-get upgrade in your query window? |
| 04:55.10 | pahartik | felicitas: no |
| 04:55.18 | felicitas | what then? |
| 04:56.22 | pahartik | felicitas: put it on HTTP server and share URL |
| 04:56.56 | felicitas | you mean on paste.net? |
| 04:57.53 | felicitas | i just typed dpkg -- list before apt-get update - i paste that first |
| 04:58.08 | felicitas | den i ty update + upgrade |
| 04:58.43 | felicitas | i paste that too what is in the terminal an them after upgrade i paste what dpkg -- list says |
| 04:58.51 | felicitas | is that ok? |
| 04:59.13 | pahartik | felicitas: any HTTP server, as long as it is reachable from outside world |
| 04:59.34 | felicitas | ok |
| 04:59.54 | felicitas | here we go i paste the firse before upgrade |
| 05:03.16 | felicitas | no1 |
| 05:03.50 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6080 |
| 05:06.46 | felicitas | now i typed the update and the upgrade |
| 05:07.08 | felicitas | and it actualises initramfs.tools |
| 05:08.40 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6081 |
| 05:08.56 | felicitas | now i will type dpkg -- list again |
| 05:10.35 | felicitas | here the url |
| 05:11.20 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6082 |
| 05:11.41 | felicitas | and now i paste may yaboot config |
| 05:12.56 | felicitas | url |
| 05:13.27 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6083 |
| 05:13.30 | felicitas | ok |
| 05:13.45 | felicitas | have you seen it pahartik? |
| 05:15.22 | felicitas | pahartik? |
| 05:17.47 | felicitas | i reboot now if iam not back within 5 min ihave crashed again |
| 05:18.05 | felicitas | then i will be back not befor tonight |
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| 05:22.55 | felicitas | re |
| 05:23.11 | felicitas | pahartik the bug is away |
| 05:23.24 | felicitas | it booted correctly |
| 05:23.34 | felicitas | it wasnt my yaboot conf |
| 05:23.40 | felicitas | it was a bug |
| 05:24.19 | felicitas | it must have been fic within the last 48 hours |
| 05:24.31 | felicitas | i can hardly believe it |
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| 05:31.42 | felicitas | re |
| 05:31.49 | felicitas | now i booted the second time |
| 05:31.56 | felicitas | and it worked |
| 05:32.03 | felicitas | the bug ist gone |
| 05:37.43 | felicitas | i will go to bed now |
| 05:38.03 | felicitas | good night |
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| 06:48.47 | desrt | good evening everyone |
| 07:08.12 | SimonRaven | nope |
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| 09:28.19 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: you noticed the link I dropped yesterday? sun has free java for linux/ppc too nowadays |
| 09:30.35 | s^3 | Bor_Ed, where ? |
| 09:30.44 | s^3 | how to install ? |
| 09:31.07 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I can see URL, IRC is not application of hypertext |
| 09:31.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, i did. don't have a record of it. too bad it isn't 1.5.x |
| 09:31.24 | Bor_Ed | unzip, add bin to $PATH and that's it |
| 09:31.47 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: it ain't? :o buggr |
| 09:32.21 | Bor_Ed | I can put it to ftp if you want to put it to yer /src/ dir |
| 09:32.23 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: so "link" is not possible as such |
| 09:32.37 | Bor_Ed | doh |
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| 12:04.44 | netman2 | hi |
| 12:07.52 | netman2 | is it ok to use pmud in a powerbook g4 |
| 12:08.14 | netman2 | ? |
| 12:09.28 | netman2 | i have it in my old ibook g3 but not sure if it'll be on well on that pbook |
| 12:09.31 | johill | use pbbuttonsd |
| 12:09.40 | netman2 | johill: ok |
| 12:09.43 | johill | it ought to work but I think pbbuttonsd gives you more of the powerbook features |
| 12:10.01 | netman2 | what about suspend on th pbook? |
| 12:10.13 | netman2 | is it working? |
| 12:10.18 | netman2 | in some way? |
| 12:10.29 | johill | probably depends which powerbook you have |
| 12:10.31 | johill | works fine on mine |
| 12:10.36 | netman2 | havn't tried yet |
| 12:10.38 | netman2 | umm |
| 12:10.45 | johill | with pbbuttonsd |
| 12:10.51 | netman2 | aha |
| 12:12.21 | netman2 | is the only packet needed for suspend? |
| 12:22.32 | johill | well suspend to ram yes (aka sleep) |
| 12:24.04 | netman2 | thnks |
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| 16:30.30 | felicitas | hallo |
| 16:49.32 | felicitas | pahartik |
| 16:59.19 | pahartik | hello felicitas |
| 16:59.28 | felicitas | the bug is gone |
| 16:59.37 | felicitas | so far |
| 16:59.39 | felicitas | :-) |
| 17:00.21 | felicitas | maybe someone from debian repaired it meanwhile |
| 17:00.47 | felicitas | the kernel didnt install itself anylonger |
| 17:01.53 | Bor_Ed | what kernel ver and what kernel-package? |
| 17:02.19 | felicitas | 2.6.15-8 i think |
| 17:02.30 | felicitas | i had that 2 or three times |
| 17:02.34 | Bor_Ed | hmm, there's 2.6.16 out nowadays too you know... |
| 17:03.01 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.16.5 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1)) #2 PREEMP Sat Apr 15 18:31:02 EEST 2006 compiles and installs at least with sid kernel-package |
| 17:03.03 | pahartik | felicitas: "linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc_2.6.15-8_powerpc.deb" has got timestamp from about two weeks ago, so it was not kernel problem... |
| 17:03.28 | felicitas | what then |
| 17:03.46 | felicitas | it works since i got a fresh cd and installed it |
| 17:03.59 | pahartik | felicitas: no idea, you have destroyed evidence |
| 17:04.10 | felicitas | what? |
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| 17:04.29 | felicitas | i didnt do anything just type apt-get update |
| 17:04.36 | felicitas | apt-get upgrade |
| 17:04.55 | felicitas | and i installed the ibm -jre |
| 17:05.08 | felicitas | everything works now |
| 17:05.18 | felicitas | i can boot again |
| 17:06.07 | felicitas | all my programs work what more do i want |
| 17:06.58 | felicitas | i install new yesterday |
| 17:07.21 | felicitas | yesterday i got the new netinstallcd |
| 17:07.32 | felicitas | so it cant be two weeks old |
| 17:07.58 | felicitas | the kernel doesnt install itself anymore |
| 17:08.05 | felicitas | thank god for that |
| 17:11.20 | pahartik | felicitas: must have been user error in package management then |
| 17:11.35 | felicitas | how is that possible |
| 17:12.03 | felicitas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.09 | felicitas | not at that time |
| 17:12.22 | felicitas | mind you |
| 17:12.34 | felicitas | now i added one repo |
| 17:12.51 | felicitas | and added to the official repo contrib |
| 17:13.01 | felicitas | whats wrong with that |
| 17:13.53 | felicitas | would you like to loook at my apt.sources .conf? |
| 17:15.03 | pahartik | felicitas: I can try to |
| 17:15.11 | felicitas | ok |
| 17:15.14 | felicitas | hang on |
| 17:17.25 | felicitas | http://paste.debian.net/6109 |
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| 17:20.21 | felicitas | and? |
| 17:21.14 | pahartik | felicitas: looks like reasonable "/etc/apt/sources.list" for workstation that is supposed to follow "etch" branch |
| 17:21.29 | felicitas | thee you are |
| 17:21.43 | felicitas | what could i have done wrong then |
| 17:21.59 | felicitas | and my yaboot.conf is okay ,too |
| 17:22.13 | pahartik | felicitas: I have got no idea about what is stored at "http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/", but if you found something important from there... |
| 17:22.25 | felicitas | oh |
| 17:22.30 | felicitas | the ibm-jre |
| 17:22.39 | felicitas | 1.5 |
| 17:23.05 | felicitas | that was very important to me |
| 17:24.32 | felicitas | after installing it with apt i only had to set a link for firefox |
| 17:24.42 | felicitas | and the path in konqueror |
| 17:24.50 | felicitas | and it worked |
| 17:25.42 | felicitas | i need the jre aplet for my web-chats |
| 17:25.46 | felicitas | spinchat |
| 17:26.10 | felicitas | spinchat is not in the irc |
| 17:27.08 | felicitas | i need it |
| 17:27.28 | felicitas | spinchat is my favourite web-chat |
| 17:27.42 | felicitas | it only works with java |
| 17:27.50 | felicitas | + the games we play there |
| 17:28.48 | felicitas | but im looking for a repo for the mplayer mowgli has only unstable |
| 17:31.30 | felicitas | honk too |
| 17:31.52 | felicitas | i couldnt find anything for testing yet |
| 17:43.01 | felicitas | the bug in the terminal is gone,too |
| 17:48.39 | felicitas | n8 |
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