| 00:00.08 | jck77 | so sould i change something in the source list? |
| 00:00.28 | Patrick` | think of it as a never-ending IQ test |
| 00:00.40 | jck77 | i have sarge, and thats why itsn't there |
| 00:01.02 | Patrick` | ... |
| 00:01.09 | Patrick` | sarge was frozen before xorg went in |
| 00:01.11 | pahartik | Patrick`: you need to press tabs on some side while pulling off cover? |
| 00:01.12 | Patrick` | try backports.or |
| 00:01.19 | Patrick` | pahartik: aha |
| 00:01.27 | Patrick` | I found the tabs, but they were for the front panel |
| 00:01.46 | Patrick` | anyway, sleep |
| 00:01.54 | jck77 | Patrick`: so, i have to move from sarge to etch? |
| 00:04.34 | pahartik | jck77: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
| 00:06.15 | pahartik | jck77: and of course "/etc/apt/sources.list" needs to define sources for both branches... |
| 00:12.59 | jck77 | hey |
| 00:13.19 | jck77 | dont worry i fix it with de xserver-xfree86 hehe |
| 00:13.52 | jck77 | thanks anyways |
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| 09:12.37 | risc- | hi, anyone here ever tried to compile kernel 2.6.16.11 on debian etch ppc? |
| 09:33.20 | pahartik | risc-: I have "linux-source-2.6.16 2.6.16-10" installed but I think I have not tried building it yet... |
| 09:35.26 | pahartik | risc-: but I have built linux-image-2.6.16 packages from several earlier linux-source-2.6.16 revisions |
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| 09:41.36 | johill | wohooo, I'm purging pbbuttonsd |
| 09:41.48 | johill | stupid program |
| 09:42.32 | pahartik | johill: I use "pbbuttonsd" |
| 09:43.04 | johill | yeah, what I'm saying is that it sucks ;) |
| 09:43.18 | johill | I hunted for a loong time why it wouldn't respond to either my keyboard or my eject key |
| 09:43.37 | johill | but it never did both. well, turns out that it thinks that (vendorid,productid) is a unique key for input devices |
| 09:43.40 | johill | hahaha |
| 09:44.04 | Corsac | well, pbbuttonsd is useful for other things :) |
| 09:44.27 | johill | well, gnome-power-manager does almost everything these days |
| 09:44.46 | johill | hence I'll add to hald-addon-pmu whatever I need and get rid of pbbuttonsd |
| 09:45.02 | risc- | pahartik is it adviced to use the linux-sources from apt? |
| 09:45.07 | risc- | instead of downloading them yourself? |
| 09:46.07 | Corsac | johill: and for display/keyboard brightness |
| 09:46.22 | johill | Corsac: g-p-m does display brightness |
| 09:46.26 | Corsac | ! |
| 09:46.27 | johill | keyboard brightness shall be added |
| 09:46.40 | pahartik | risc-: they are usually almost identical |
| 09:46.43 | Corsac | (but, hey, i don't want do add another gnome thing) |
| 09:47.05 | johill | Corsac: yeah but it's just hal, so you can have a thin something else to handle it |
| 09:47.11 | risc- | pahartik i haven't found them in my apt-cache |
| 09:47.14 | risc- | i'd have to check |
| 09:47.46 | risc- | problem is, i upgraded, and then when i rebooted i was unable to boot |
| 09:48.01 | johill | in any case, I'll fix up all the hal/pmu stuff and get rid of pbbuttonsd, it's annoying me all the time |
| 09:48.01 | risc- | because my hdd including kernel & linux "is gone" |
| 09:48.02 | pahartik | risc-: http://packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 09:48.18 | risc- | when u get that pahartik, does it go to /usr/src ? |
| 09:49.02 | pahartik | risc-: yes it does, "/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16.tar.bz2" |
| 09:49.10 | risc- | ehm |
| 09:49.13 | risc- | i don't get it |
| 09:49.22 | risc- | my mirror must be really out to date |
| 09:49.29 | risc- | i can only see 2.6.15, and no sources |
| 09:49.44 | risc- | oh, yes, linux-source-2.6.15 is the latest |
| 09:49.53 | Corsac | johill: do gnome-power-manager manages automatic display brightness too ? |
| 09:50.05 | johill | no, not yet at least |
| 09:50.10 | risc- | pahartik is it in etch? |
| 09:50.19 | johill | but once I add the code to read the lmu to the hal/pmu thing, it can do that |
| 09:50.31 | johill | (and then I just need to get benzea to have the gnome people add it ;) ) |
| 09:51.08 | pahartik | risc-: it should be at "/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/" |
| 09:51.30 | Corsac | johill: btw now my eject key is working |
| 09:51.37 | johill | and the rest of the stuff isn't working? |
| 09:51.56 | Corsac | what do you mean by "rest of the stuff" ? |
| 09:52.00 | johill | or maybe you were lucky about ordering, and the two keyboard event devices aren't successive |
| 09:52.05 | Corsac | display/keyboard adjust is working |
| 09:52.05 | johill | well brightness keys etc |
| 09:52.07 | Corsac | sound too |
| 09:52.08 | johill | heh funky |
| 09:52.20 | johill | well it all depends on how /dev/input/eventX are ordered |
| 09:52.20 | Corsac | and maybe screen but I've not tested |
| 09:52.38 | Corsac | (maybe I'm a lucky guy) |
| 09:53.11 | Corsac | johill: and do you know if it's possible to deactivate completely the led ? |
| 09:53.18 | johill | what led? |
| 09:53.20 | pahartik | risc-: "linux-source-2.6.16" is currently unstable |
| 09:53.26 | Corsac | the front one |
| 09:53.29 | johill | in sleep mode? |
| 09:53.31 | Corsac | or at least only have it indicate only on/off :) |
| 09:53.32 | Corsac | yes |
| 09:53.36 | johill | not sure |
| 09:53.53 | johill | linux-2.6/drivers/macintosh/via-pmu.c :) |
| 09:53.55 | risc- | pahartik: ic |
| 09:54.19 | Corsac | i'm sleeping with my powerbook (hem.) in sleep mode, and the light is sometimes to strong |
| 09:54.22 | Corsac | too |
| 09:54.30 | johill | yeah, I usually put my mouse in front of it ;) |
| 09:54.42 | Corsac | btw i guess with the new led architecture it could be possible to chose behavior for it |
| 09:54.50 | johill | yeah I just posted a mail about that to debian-powerpc |
| 09:54.51 | Corsac | "osx/harddisk/on-ooff" |
| 09:54.55 | Corsac | yes, just read it :) |
| 09:55.01 | johill | we should just add a led handler for it |
| 09:55.06 | johill | then we can use whatever triggers there are |
| 09:55.10 | johill | (timer, hd, ...) |
| 09:55.20 | johill | also those people that like to use it for their wireless led could do that then |
| 09:55.22 | Corsac | you're saying it's not really hard to do ? |
| 09:55.26 | johill | (we'll add triggers to bcm43xx anyway) |
| 09:55.43 | Corsac | (i've never touched kernel hacking yet) |
| 09:55.44 | johill | like I said, I wrote a fake led driver in 30 lines of code, so a real one shouldn't take more |
| 09:55.58 | johill | just has to be in the right place :) |
| 09:56.03 | Corsac | if I have time, I may try to do some things |
| 09:56.12 | Corsac | now, time to have a sun/coffee break :) |
| 09:56.19 | johill | looks like you can't turn off the led |
| 09:56.32 | risc- | can i ask some offtopic question just about english? :p |
| 09:56.34 | johill | well at least it isn't turned on explicitly :) |
| 09:56.35 | Corsac | but you can have it display bright=0 |
| 09:56.42 | Corsac | risc-: yes |
| 09:56.43 | johill | Corsac: the led? |
| 09:56.45 | Corsac | yes |
| 09:56.49 | pahartik | risc-: probably |
| 09:56.53 | risc- | what means: "buff when dry"? |
| 09:56.56 | johill | didn't know you could set it's brightness |
| 09:57.01 | risc- | it's on the tube of my shoepaste |
| 09:57.02 | Corsac | i don't know if it's possible |
| 09:57.29 | risc- | lol |
| 09:57.29 | risc- | ffs |
| 09:57.46 | risc- | my linuxppc is fixed, kernel compile wasn't nessecary, only apt-get dist-upgrade did the job |
| 09:58.17 | Corsac | but remember, when sleeping it's "undulating" |
| 09:58.20 | pahartik | risc-: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buff&db=* |
| 09:58.34 | johill | Corsac: yeah but it seems to be firmware controlled without an option to change that |
| 09:58.39 | Corsac | meh |
| 09:58.54 | risc- | no other meaning then the color? |
| 09:58.55 | johill | not sure, you'd have to ask benh he knows more :) |
| 09:58.59 | Corsac | i'll have to check the code, and the harddisk code |
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| 09:59.26 | johill | Corsac: while at it, remove the hd led thingie for it ;) |
| 10:00.00 | johill | well if I have half an hour I might implement the led driver for it |
| 10:00.16 | johill | it's trivial with the led code and really cool to set via sysfs |
| 10:00.23 | pahartik | risc-: it is instruction, I would think |
| 10:00.54 | risc- | ah that makes more sense |
| 10:00.55 | risc- | thanks :) |
| 10:01.22 | pahartik | risc-: as in "polish and make shiny" |
| 10:02.06 | risc- | btw, is Option "Resolution" the mouse sensibility in xorg.conf? Cause I don't seem to be able to set my touchpad's mouse sensibility that way |
| 10:05.30 | Corsac | johill: would you mind if I use this occasion to learn kernel hacking ? with you as a teacher ? (but after coffee break) |
| 10:05.42 | johill | I have 2 hours ;) |
| 10:05.51 | johill | minus lunch I guess |
| 10:06.21 | Corsac | ok, brb :) |
| 10:06.44 | johill | will have lunch first then |
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| 10:07.28 | risc- | anyone knows how to set mouse sensibility for the trackpad in X? |
| 10:09.06 | badNick0 | i can't up my network interface. anyone can help? |
| 10:10.50 | pahartik | badNick0: you can use IRC without network interface? |
| 10:11.15 | badNick0 | sorry. my loopback network interface. |
| 10:13.37 | pahartik | badNick0: do you have "iface lo inet loopback" defined in "/etc/network/interfaces"? |
| 10:15.07 | badNick0 | pahartik: yes. and loopback doesn't appear in /proc/net/dev ¿? |
| 10:15.32 | pahartik | badNick0: do you have "CONFIG_DUMMY" enabled in "/boot/config-$(uname --release)"? |
| 10:16.59 | badNick0 | pahartik: yes, as a module |
| 10:18.35 | badNick0 | pahartik: config-2.6.16-1-powerpc:CONFIG_DUMMY=m |
| 10:18.53 | badNick0 | pahartik: config-2.6.16-1-powerpc:CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y |
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| 10:20.37 | badNick0 | pahartik: "ifup lo" shows SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 10:22.51 | pahartik | badNick0: I am only using custom binary of Linux 2.6.16, and that works fine on it... |
| 10:23.35 | badNick0 | pahartik: me too, so the problem is not the kernel... |
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| 10:31.41 | pahartik | badNick0: it does not work with any kernel you have tried? |
| 10:33.22 | badNick0 | pahartik: yes. i have tried a lot of kernels. |
| 10:40.06 | pahartik | badNick0: what if you try "sudo ip addr add 127.0.0.1/8 dev lo" |
| 10:43.07 | badNick0 | pahartik: Cannot find device "lo" |
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| 10:49.12 | johill | back |
| 10:53.59 | Corsac | re |
| 10:54.01 | Corsac | eheh |
| 10:56.09 | johill | hehe http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/04/da_vinci_code_r.html |
| 10:57.05 | johill | Corsac: |
| 10:57.22 | johill | look at http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/fake_led.c |
| 10:57.28 | johill | eh sorry, fake-led.c |
| 10:57.42 | johill | that's my fake-led code |
| 10:58.21 | johill | you just need to put the appropriate stuff from it into wherever the led is controlled (#ifdef'ed with CONFIG_LEDS_CLASS I think) |
| 11:06.43 | Corsac | hmhm, time for lunch, but will look at it after |
| 11:08.34 | johill | hah, by then I'll be done ;) |
| 11:23.22 | johill | is there any point in making the led code optional? |
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| 11:31.55 | johill | Corsac_: almost done |
| 11:32.03 | johill | want to test in a minute? :) |
| 11:32.27 | Corsac_ | meh |
| 11:32.29 | Corsac_ | yes |
| 11:33.23 | johill | I just need to hook in the led driver part |
| 11:34.46 | Corsac_ | (the led hd ?) |
| 11:34.56 | johill | no put the led code into via pmu I mean |
| 11:44.15 | johill | ok code written, now only needs hooking up |
| 11:44.26 | Corsac | mpf :) |
| 11:48.49 | johill | hm, now only to figure out where to init it. hmm |
| 11:48.58 | johill | pmu is inited quite early, but we want this later only |
| 11:52.51 | johill | ok, compile testing would be good, right? :) |
| 11:53.14 | Corsac | yes :) |
| 11:54.04 | johill | trying now |
| 11:55.37 | johill | fails |
| 11:55.38 | johill | hm |
| 11:56.39 | johill | ok works now, just some missing includes |
| 11:56.57 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/powerbook-led-class-device.patch |
| 11:58.16 | Corsac | you have write access on the kernel ? |
| 11:58.37 | johill | eh that patch is incomplete |
| 11:58.45 | johill | ah no never mind sorry |
| 11:58.47 | Corsac | it was a generic question |
| 11:58.47 | Corsac | :) |
| 11:58.54 | johill | write access? no only linus does ;) |
| 11:58.57 | Corsac | ok |
| 12:00.06 | johill | I just send patches to benh and akpm :) |
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| 12:00.35 | johill | once you try this patch let me know if it works |
| 12:00.50 | Corsac | can i patch against 2.6.17-rc2 ? |
| 12:00.51 | johill | oh before the config option shows up you need to configure the new led stuff under device drivers/led support |
| 12:01.00 | johill | yeah should work, this is against git but rc2 should be fine |
| 12:01.15 | Q-FUNK | 512mb feels SO much better |
| 12:01.36 | johill | anyway, I have to get going, back in about an hour |
| 12:01.38 | Corsac | ok, it's patched withour error |
| 12:01.39 | Corsac | oki |
| 12:02.07 | johill | Corsac: good make sure you select the new led support, led class device support *and* the option I added under macintosh drivers |
| 12:02.12 | johill | (config_adb_pmu_led) |
| 12:02.34 | johill | then once it is loaded look in /sys/class/leds or so |
| 12:03.36 | Corsac | well it'll took time because i need to rebuild the kernem |
| 12:03.38 | Corsac | kernel |
| 12:12.01 | johill | yeah of course |
| 12:12.08 | johill | well really gone now :) |
| 12:14.41 | Corsac | mpf, I guess it wants me to reboot :) |
| 12:14.45 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol led_trigger_store |
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| 13:01.54 | risc- | hi, anyone here using bcm43xx and kernel<2.6.17-rc (softmac)? |
| 13:03.28 | johill | Corsac: did you try loading the led module? |
| 13:03.33 | Corsac | yes |
| 13:03.40 | johill | heh ok |
| 13:03.40 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol led_trigger_store |
| 13:03.40 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol leds_list |
| 13:03.40 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol led_trigger_set |
| 13:03.40 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol led_trigger_show |
| 13:03.40 | Corsac | led_class: Unknown symbol led_trigger_set_default |
| 13:03.44 | johill | yeah no wonder |
| 13:03.46 | Corsac | but i didn't reboot |
| 13:03.46 | Corsac | :)) |
| 13:03.51 | johill | but I think you might have to have led_class built-in |
| 13:03.55 | johill | because via-pmu is built-in |
| 13:04.05 | Corsac | i didn't reboot on the new kernel |
| 13:04.07 | johill | I suppose I'll have to fix the Kconfig for that |
| 13:04.10 | johill | yeah still |
| 13:04.16 | johill | you probably will get a message telling you |
| 13:04.19 | Corsac | built-in what ? |
| 13:04.20 | johill | via-pmu: failed to init led driver |
| 13:04.21 | johill | or something |
| 13:04.26 | johill | led_class = y and not m |
| 13:04.50 | Corsac | CONFIG_NEW_LEDS=y |
| 13:04.50 | Corsac | CONFIG_LEDS_CLASS=m |
| 13:04.56 | Corsac | CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGERS=y |
| 13:04.57 | Corsac | CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGER_TIMER=m |
| 13:04.57 | Corsac | CONFIG_LEDS_TRIGGER_IDE_DISK=y |
| 13:05.00 | Corsac | # CONFIG_ADB_PMU_LED is not set |
| 13:05.01 | Corsac | erf. |
| 13:05.04 | Corsac | that's the one |
| 13:05.06 | Corsac | right ? |
| 13:06.28 | Corsac | ah no, i don't have ADB |
| 13:06.37 | johill | yes that's the one |
| 13:06.38 | johill | you want it |
| 13:06.46 | johill | you probably didn't get the option |
| 13:06.51 | johill | because LEDS_CLASS = m |
| 13:06.57 | johill | try LEDS_CLASS=y and then select CONFIG_ADB_PMU_LED |
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| 13:08.02 | Corsac | rebuilding |
| 13:32.19 | johill | any result? :) |
| 13:33.26 | Corsac | meh, this time i should reboot, because i can't modprobe leds-classs |
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| 13:35.10 | rotzbouw | Hello |
| 13:35.39 | johill | yes, you have to anyway since I changed via-pmu which is built-in ;) |
| 13:36.21 | rotzbouw | Will you help me installing debian on my PowerBook? :) I'm currenty backing up my data and will then go over to the partitioning part (It's only one hdd with Mac OS X on it). I hope everything goes well. |
| 13:36.29 | Corsac | ok, so I rebuild another trouc then reboot |
| 13:36.42 | Corsac | rotzbouw: do you want a dual or single boot ? |
| 13:37.34 | rotzbouw | I want debian and mac os x. |
| 13:38.28 | rotzbouw | In case I'm on the campus and need WLAN (I heard Airport isn't fully supported as of yet?!) |
| 13:38.39 | Corsac | airport works really well |
| 13:38.43 | Corsac | at least at 11Mbps |
| 13:39.38 | rotzbouw | So you'd recommend single boot? :\ |
| 13:39.41 | johill | depends on the card, mine works good at 54M too (if I'm close enough to the AP0 |
| 13:39.48 | johill | rotzbouw: I haven't booted OSX in months |
| 13:40.07 | Corsac | rotzbouw: i don't recommend anything |
| 13:40.13 | Corsac | but i'm like johill |
| 13:40.24 | Corsac | i keep osx just in case |
| 13:40.32 | rotzbouw | ...which proves that dual boot can be working |
| 13:40.36 | johill | and even then, just to test the wireless driver (booting osx inside mol :P ) |
| 13:40.36 | Corsac | and I need to shrink its partition |
| 13:40.42 | rotzbouw | that's what I want to do as well |
| 13:40.46 | johill | ah you can't shrink it |
| 13:40.52 | johill | you'll have to reinstall osx afaik |
| 13:40.53 | Corsac | johill: why not ? |
| 13:44.10 | rotzbouw | It seems to me that you could help me in case I get in trouble during the next hours-days-weeks-..., that's good. :) |
| 13:45.03 | johill | Corsac: because I couldn't find a tool that resizes hfs+ :) |
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| 13:49.40 | Corsac | re |
| 13:49.55 | Corsac | johill: iirc, hfs+ can be resized on 10.4.6 |
| 13:50.03 | johill | heh ok no idea |
| 13:50.09 | johill | I just tried in gparted ;) |
| 13:50.54 | Corsac | ok so I'm rebooted |
| 13:51.00 | Corsac | and i have a led folder in /sys/class/ |
| 13:51.03 | Corsac | but nothing in there |
| 13:51.03 | johill | cool yeah |
| 13:51.06 | johill | oh bugger |
| 13:51.11 | johill | dmesg | grep via-pmu ? |
| 13:51.25 | Corsac | via-pmu: Server Mode is disabled |
| 13:51.25 | Corsac | PMU i2c /pci@f2000000/mac-io@17/via-pmu@16000/pmu-i2c |
| 13:51.25 | Corsac | via-pmu: LED failed to init |
| 13:51.32 | johill | hrm |
| 13:51.42 | johill | ok probably tried to do this too early. hmm |
| 13:53.03 | johill | can you post the whole dmesg somewhere? |
| 13:54.35 | Corsac | http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/dmesg.txt |
| 13:54.47 | johill | tx |
| 13:55.27 | johill | that's probably far too early in boot |
| 13:56.36 | johill | hah |
| 13:56.39 | johill | ok this sucks |
| 13:56.40 | johill | :) |
| 13:56.43 | johill | subsys_initcall(init_pmu_sysfs); |
| 13:56.47 | johill | subsys_initcall(leds_init); |
| 13:56.55 | johill | it depends on the link order ;) |
| 13:57.12 | johill | I'll need to go later |
| 13:57.42 | johill | I'll make it a late_initcall |
| 13:58.51 | johill | sorry about that |
| 13:59.42 | rotzbouw | Err, I don't have a 64-bit PPC when I have a PowerBook, right? :) |
| 14:00.04 | pahartik | rotzbouw: correct |
| 14:01.13 | johill | Corsac: reverse-apply my patch (I hope you still have it) and then reload the same URL |
| 14:01.18 | pahartik | rotzbouw: unless you have got PowerBook with 32 bit PowerPC and desktop workstation 64 bit PowerPC |
| 14:02.00 | rotzbouw | Haha, no, I've 'only' got the PowerBook |
| 14:04.05 | Corsac | rebuilding |
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| 14:12.34 | rotzbouw | backing up takes so much time :( |
| 14:14.55 | johill | I tried pulling my whole 100gb hd via firewire |
| 14:15.06 | johill | what a joke! linux would only pull something like 7mb per second |
| 14:15.41 | johill | of course, first I tried with phys_dma disabled, which killed the firewire subsystem in some memcpy |
| 14:15.49 | johill | hahaha. in the end I just pulled an image via gbit lan |
| 14:15.55 | johill | from a running system ;) |
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| 14:22.24 | mcgreg | hi |
| 14:23.16 | mcgreg | I'd like to update udev, but: critical bugs of udev (0.089-1 -> 0.091-1) <open> |
| 14:23.16 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.13 | johill | can't say much more than wfm |
| 14:25.32 | mcgreg | what is wfm? |
| 14:25.37 | mcgreg | wait for more? |
| 14:26.56 | johill | works for me |
| 14:26.58 | johill | :) |
| 14:27.28 | Corsac | works for me too |
| 14:27.35 | Corsac | but i don't have initrd, for example |
| 14:27.42 | johill | me neither, but I do have a custom initramfs |
| 14:27.46 | mcgreg | hmm ok. well, as it is since several versin, I guess there was just 1 person who had a problem.. but I rrally really dont want to drive my sysem unusable :) |
| 14:29.04 | mcgreg | ok, before i do that. IF I do that, and it wont work. can I boot , getoo for example, chroot and then use apt from there? |
| 14:29.12 | mcgreg | gentoo |
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| 14:31.15 | johill_ | mcgreg: yes should be possible |
| 14:31.25 | johill_ | might have to mount /sys and /proc in the chroot |
| 14:31.26 | mcgreg | ok |
| 14:33.08 | mcgreg | ok, done ;) |
| 14:33.22 | mcgreg | now I have to pray it will work for next boot :) |
| 14:33.55 | mcgreg | the saying "never change a running system" doesnt work for me, somehow :) |
| 14:36.43 | johill_ | where was I? |
| 14:36.46 | mcgreg | btw, did youi hear/read about starcraft for linux? :) I guess nobody here tested it already, right? |
| 14:37.29 | johill | Corsac: did you get it working this time? |
| 14:37.37 | johill | I want to submit the patch ;) |
| 14:37.48 | Corsac | just rebooted |
| 14:38.11 | Corsac | YEAH |
| 14:38.14 | Corsac | it works |
| 14:38.25 | Corsac | root@hidalgo: echo 255 > brightness [class/leds/pmu-front-led] |
| 14:38.28 | Corsac | echo: write error: invalid argument |
| 14:38.33 | Corsac | but the led is fully lighted |
| 14:38.57 | Corsac | (with echo 0 > there is also a write error) |
| 14:38.58 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 14:39.18 | Corsac | i will do a morse-code emitter for the led |
| 14:39.18 | Corsac | :D |
| 14:39.34 | johill | try echo -n |
| 14:39.36 | johill | isntead of echo |
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| 14:41.56 | mcgreg | ok, udev did mount root-fs :) |
| 14:42.24 | johill | Corsac: what's in the trigger file? |
| 14:43.24 | Corsac | none and ide-disk |
| 14:43.29 | johill | echo ide-disk into it |
| 14:43.33 | johill | is none in brackets? |
| 14:43.34 | Corsac | yes, it worked |
| 14:43.36 | Corsac | (yes) |
| 14:43.36 | johill | that's the current one |
| 14:43.43 | johill | then now ide-disk is in brackets? |
| 14:43.43 | Corsac | i've tested everything, i guess |
| 14:43.55 | Corsac | yes |
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| 14:43.57 | johill | cool, I'll mail this to debian-powerpc and linuxppc-dev |
| 14:44.01 | Corsac | yes |
| 14:44.06 | johill | and benh/akpm |
| 14:45.00 | johill | thanks for testing |
| 14:46.40 | Corsac | its great |
| 14:46.42 | Corsac | really |
| 14:47.07 | rotzbouw | okay, now tell me. I've got everything backed up. What do I do next? I reboot with the MacOS X DVD in it and press "c"? |
| 14:47.21 | johill | Corsac: :) |
| 14:49.40 | johill | sent |
| 14:49.49 | Corsac | johill: erf, on 10.4.6 you can (non destructively) resize partitions, but only for intelmacs |
| 14:49.51 | johill | didn't cc akpm since I wanted input from benh first |
| 14:49.52 | Corsac | :( |
| 14:49.57 | Corsac | akpm ? |
| 14:49.59 | johill | wtf? that's weird |
| 14:50.03 | johill | andrew morton, -mm tree |
| 14:50.20 | johill | some people abused the led for wireless too |
| 14:50.29 | johill | bcm43xx is getting led support soonish too, so that should be good :) |
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| 14:51.59 | johill | heh my patch is a net removal of 7 lines of code ;) |
| 14:52.13 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.13 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.13 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.13 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.13 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.14 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.16 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.18 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.42 | Corsac | :)) |
| 14:54.15 | Corsac | johill: with the patch, do the led waves when sleeping ? |
| 14:54.18 | johill | I wonder if the locking really is necessary |
| 14:54.26 | johill | Corsac: yes it should, I didn't change anything about that |
| 14:54.30 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:54.35 | johill | come to think of it though, what happens if I turn it on and then suspend. |
| 14:54.36 | johill | hmm |
| 14:54.42 | johill | let me see if that thing had suspend handling |
| 14:54.56 | johill | I need to add some comments too |
| 14:56.21 | Corsac | i'll test suspend |
| 14:56.22 | Corsac | brb |
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| 14:58.05 | rotzbouw | hm, the MacOS X installation Disc "Disk Utility" is weird. What should I do there? It says I could just split the Macintosh HD_1 in two pieces (or more). what should I do? :> |
| 14:58.20 | wouter__ | anyone here already tried 2.6.17-rc3 kernel on his debian/ppc? |
| 14:58.34 | Corsac | well it seems to work |
| 14:58.40 | johill | Corsac: good |
| 14:58.47 | johill | hadn't expected otherwise |
| 14:58.54 | johill | but I'll update the patch for some things regardless |
| 14:59.20 | johill | plus it probably should get a parent dev |
| 14:59.45 | Corsac | and the apple on the top of the lid ? |
| 14:59.49 | Corsac | can it be controlled ? :) |
| 14:59.54 | johill | Corsac: huh? of course not |
| 14:59.59 | johill | it's just the backlight shining through |
| 15:00.45 | Corsac | arf |
| 15:00.48 | Corsac | i neved noticed |
| 15:00.49 | Corsac | never |
| 15:00.58 | johill | turn off the backlight |
| 15:01.02 | johill | then hold the powerbook against a window |
| 15:01.07 | johill | you'll see the apple shining through |
| 15:02.19 | rotzbouw | Uhm, what format would you choose for the MacOS X partition? (default is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) |
| 15:02.49 | rotzbouw | (and what format for the debian parition?) |
| 15:03.00 | johill | do unjournaled |
| 15:03.03 | johill | then linux can write to it |
| 15:03.24 | rotzbouw | Would I want Linux to write on my Mac partition? |
| 15:04.00 | rotzbouw | I select "free space" for Linux. hope that's fine :) |
| 15:05.09 | rotzbouw | "Partition" - Here we go :( |
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| 15:17.34 | johill | Corsac: now you can look at this patch and implement LEDs for bcm43xx ;) |
| 15:18.07 | Corsac | eheh |
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| 15:22.23 | johill | now, I think I'm going to look at porting over the pm stuff from via-pmu to the proper place |
| 15:22.28 | johill | so we can suspend without icky ioctls |
| 15:23.48 | Corsac | johill: the waving isn't controlled at all ? when powerbook sleeps its automatically launched ? |
| 15:23.54 | johill | afaik yes |
| 15:24.19 | Corsac | a friend of mine has a nice idea |
| 15:24.32 | Corsac | changing the brightness along with sound volume |
| 15:24.36 | Corsac | :)) |
| 15:24.39 | johill | wtf? |
| 15:24.45 | johill | of the led? |
| 15:25.00 | johill | I don't know how to make the led have a different brightness |
| 15:25.32 | Corsac | meh ? |
| 15:25.43 | Corsac | you can change the brightness |
| 15:25.53 | johill | but that doesn't do anything |
| 15:25.59 | johill | only 0 and 255 turn it on/off |
| 15:27.14 | johill | if you tell me how to make the led have a different brightness I can add that |
| 15:27.39 | Corsac | ah. |
| 15:27.46 | Corsac | i didn't test with other values |
| 15:27.51 | Corsac | i thought it has the complete range |
| 15:28.24 | johill | no, it doesn't |
| 15:29.08 | Corsac | too bad :) |
| 15:29.21 | johill | and the value seems binary. benh might know how to do it though ;) |
| 15:30.01 | Corsac | the led is able to have different brightness (physically), but yes maybe soft can do |
| 15:30.04 | Corsac | can't |
| 15:30.19 | johill | I don't know how to control it in any case, but of course it can have different brightness |
| 15:30.54 | johill | look at pmu_led_off/on in my patch |
| 15:31.17 | johill | it's just pmu_request(&pmu_blink_req, NULL, 4, 0xee, 4, 0, 0); (off) and pmu_request(&pmu_blink_req, NULL, 4, 0xee, 4, 0, 1); (on) |
| 15:31.23 | johill | so I can't see how to make a value between those |
| 15:32.51 | Corsac | mpf :( |
| 15:32.59 | johill | maybe with a different request |
| 15:33.00 | johill | no idea |
| 15:33.08 | johill | don't think this stuff is documented anywhere ;) |
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| 15:47.52 | rotzbouw | i'm currently booting from the netinst cd! woohoo! |
| 15:48.03 | rotzbouw | Now I'm asked something already :\ |
| 15:48.30 | rotzbouw | is "install" just fine to begin the installation?> |
| 15:48.56 | johill | should be |
| 15:49.23 | rotzbouw | okay, go! |
| 15:49.56 | rotzbouw | wow, the display is heavily distorted now. like an old TV |
| 15:50.34 | johill | ohh, that sucks |
| 15:50.37 | johill | happens once a while |
| 15:50.43 | rotzbouw | hm |
| 15:50.44 | johill | you probably want to reboot |
| 15:50.56 | rotzbouw | "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" |
| 15:51.57 | rotzbouw | Load CD-ROM drivers from a driver floppy? <Yes> <No> |
| 15:52.05 | rotzbouw | the powerbook doesnt have a floppy :( |
| 15:52.09 | johill | that's odd |
| 15:52.22 | johill | ah come t o think of it |
| 15:52.30 | johill | I didn't even use the cd, I just booted the netboot image |
| 15:53.00 | rotzbouw | how does that work? |
| 15:53.11 | johill | it downloads everything from the net |
| 15:53.16 | rotzbouw | why can't i install from the cd? i mean, it boots correclty but then fails.. :\ |
| 15:53.25 | johill | because the booting is done by firmware, not linux |
| 15:53.33 | rotzbouw | could you point me to that netboot thing? |
| 15:53.48 | johill | look on t he debian-installer homepage for it |
| 15:55.37 | rotzbouw | Hmpf. |
| 15:55.49 | Corsac | rotzbouw: what powerbook do you have ? |
| 15:55.56 | Corsac | and what installer do you use ? |
| 15:57.16 | rotzbouw | the one before the macbook pro |
| 15:57.21 | rotzbouw | alBook : |
| 15:57.23 | Corsac | ok |
| 15:57.31 | rotzbouw | debian 31r2 netinst |
| 15:57.34 | rotzbouw | is on my cd.. |
| 15:57.38 | Corsac | iirc there was a problem with ide on those pb |
| 15:57.51 | Corsac | try using a really recent installer (or use complete netinstall) |
| 15:58.18 | rotzbouw | 31r2 is really recent, isnt it? |
| 15:58.34 | Corsac | no |
| 15:58.35 | Corsac | well |
| 15:58.40 | Corsac | r2 is, but 31 isn't |
| 15:58.41 | Corsac | :) |
| 15:58.51 | rotzbouw | okay, then point me to a more recent one, please :p |
| 15:59.45 | Corsac | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 15:59.51 | rotzbouw | it's the most recent stable release though.. |
| 15:59.54 | rotzbouw | okay, thanks |
| 15:59.59 | Corsac | it's testing, remember |
| 16:00.11 | Corsac | i don't know, by the way, if it'll boot correctly |
| 16:00.16 | rotzbouw | I'll try |
| 16:00.19 | Corsac | there was a recent mess with daily build installer iirc |
| 16:00.22 | Corsac | svenl: ping ? |
| 16:00.29 | svenl | Corsac: pong. |
| 16:00.41 | rotzbouw | what do you mean by "complete netinstall"? |
| 16:00.50 | Corsac | svenl: do you know if latest powerbook will boot with the daily build installer ? |
| 16:01.26 | Corsac | rotzbouw: netboot from openfirwmare (without using cd), then install from net |
| 16:02.46 | svenl | Corsac: i think so, the latest is not so new as that. Unles you are speaking of the intel ones :) |
| 16:03.15 | rotzbouw | it's the one just before the intel one. |
| 16:03.55 | rotzbouw | but I remember having tried it with 31r1a and it didn't work so I guess they couldn't solve the problem in the 31r2 release :\ |
| 16:05.05 | rotzbouw | Corsac: netboot isn't possible with windows, is it? |
| 16:07.24 | Corsac | svenl: i said *power*books :)) |
| 16:07.38 | Corsac | svenl: btw for macbook i wouldn't have asked you :) |
| 16:07.56 | Corsac | rotzbouw: 31r2 use kernel from 31 |
| 16:08.02 | Corsac | and kernel from 3.1 is quite old |
| 16:08.09 | Corsac | well, quite |
| 16:08.16 | Corsac | it's a 2.6.12 |
| 16:08.18 | Corsac | iirc |
| 16:08.20 | Corsac | or 2.6.8 |
| 16:08.26 | rotzbouw | (iirc = ?) |
| 16:08.35 | Corsac | if i recall correctly |
| 16:08.41 | Corsac | yeah, should be 2.6.8 |
| 16:08.50 | rotzbouw | okay then. the testing one is newer? |
| 16:09.07 | Corsac | yes |
| 16:09.44 | svenl | Corsac: :) |
| 16:10.18 | svenl | Corsac: the daily builds use 2.6.16, take the netboot mini-iso, as the powerpc cds are hosed since the first of april. |
| 16:10.37 | Corsac | svenl: it's not for me but for rotzbouw |
| 16:10.44 | Corsac | i have a powerbook 5,6 |
| 16:12.31 | rotzbouw | what's my number? :) |
| 16:12.38 | rotzbouw | where can I verify? |
| 16:12.38 | Corsac | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:12.42 | Corsac | (when you get a shell) |
| 16:12.50 | Corsac | or somewhere in Hardware Info, on macos |
| 16:13.01 | Corsac | johill: non destructive hfs+ is really only for macintel :( |
| 16:13.22 | rotzbouw | 5.8 \o/ |
| 16:13.26 | rotzbouw | I beat you! :\ |
| 16:13.34 | johill | we knew that before though ;) |
| 16:15.01 | Corsac | :)) |
| 16:15.09 | Corsac | but mine can boot sarge :) |
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| 16:16.45 | johill | it's a kernel problem |
| 16:17.14 | rotzbouw | yes, never blame apple! oO |
| 16:17.39 | svenl | rotzbouw: what have you been trying to boot ? |
| 16:17.58 | Corsac | rotzbouw: have you tried the link I pasted ? |
| 16:20.38 | rotzbouw | Corsac: I only have 1mbit and other downloads (MacOS X updates) pending |
| 16:20.52 | rotzbouw | svenl: I've tried to boot 31r2 netinst |
| 16:21.06 | rotzbouw | but it couldn't detect my cdrom drive |
| 16:21.17 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:21.22 | svenl | rotzbouw: try : |
| 16:21.26 | Q-FUNK | blame canada (tm) |
| 16:22.53 | svenl | http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/netboot/mini.iso |
| 16:23.48 | rotzbouw | if you tell me what it is? :) |
| 16:24.39 | johill | a netboot iso? |
| 16:24.40 | svenl | rotzbouw: it is the daily build powerpc 32 bit netboot image on a 10MB iso |
| 16:25.24 | rotzbouw | but I don't have a running linux partition and I don't find a manual how to netboot from windows :\ |
| 16:25.42 | svenl | rotzbouw: i installed a xserve G5 with the 64bit version of it. |
| 16:26.25 | svenl | rotzbouw: its the netboot image on a cd. just burn it insert it in your drive and press C and go. |
| 16:27.04 | rotzbouw | Okay. would you prefer this over the testing release? |
| 16:27.17 | rotzbouw | i.e. what should I try first? :) |
| 16:27.32 | svenl | rotzbouw: it has a 2.6.16 kernel. |
| 16:28.14 | svenl | its just 10mb, and i installed an xserve yesterday, so it should work. |
| 16:29.41 | rotzbouw | OK |
| 16:37.02 | svenl | rotzbouw: tell us how it went, ok ? |
| 16:37.26 | rotzbouw | Yep, I'll just finish the MacOS X updates. |
| 16:37.41 | svenl | rotzbouw: :) |
| 16:38.09 | svenl | rotzbouw: and don't forget to file an installation report later on. |
| 16:38.29 | rotzbouw | ? How does that work? I've never done that. |
| 16:39.07 | Corsac | hmhm, i'll try the gtk installer on the lombard |
| 16:42.56 | svenl | rotzbouw: you have a file in /root, which you file and send to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 16:43.50 | svenl | Corsac: i thing g-i is hosed on powerpc, haven't tried since january though, but i saw no progress being made on it since then. |
| 16:44.05 | Corsac | svenl: i'll tell you |
| 16:45.00 | Corsac | mpf |
| 16:45.21 | Corsac | need to activate netboot for openfirwmare |
| 16:45.23 | svenl | Corsac: file an installation report, please, telling me stuff is useless at this time, especially for d-i issues. |
| 16:45.24 | Corsac | or is there a key ? |
| 16:45.29 | svenl | n |
| 16:45.31 | svenl | :) |
| 16:45.42 | Corsac | even without menu ? |
| 16:46.30 | Corsac | hmhm, no it didn't work :/ |
| 16:47.22 | svenl | Corsac: try booting it with frontend=newt or something such. |
| 16:48.35 | Corsac | svenl: i just waited it to boot, now i'll add netboot option to yaboot.conf |
| 16:48.44 | Corsac | (there is a xubuntu currently on it) |
| 16:48.47 | Corsac | (it's my test machine) |
| 16:49.01 | svenl | or better yet go to debian-boot, and ask attilio or davide for help. |
| 16:49.09 | svenl | don't mention me though. |
| 16:49.14 | Corsac | :) |
| 16:49.29 | svenl | :( |
| 16:54.57 | svenl | Corsac: :) |
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| 16:59.04 | Corsac | hmhm, weird, now tftp client doesnt request any filename |
| 16:59.08 | Corsac | Apr 28 18:59:01 heracles tftpd[29206]: tftpd: trying to get file: |
| 16:59.45 | johill | via-pmu.c badly needs an overhaul |
| 16:59.48 | johill | anyone want to help? :) |
| 17:00.01 | gizmo | svenl: I'm booting at this very moment |
| 17:00.04 | Corsac | overhaul ? |
| 17:00.12 | Bor_Ed | redoing |
| 17:00.14 | gizmo | at least the display doesn't distort.. |
| 17:00.17 | johill | it's almost 3000 linles |
| 17:00.52 | gizmo | "detecting hardware" |
| 17:00.53 | johill | huge chunks of ifdef'ed code |
| 17:01.45 | gizmo | Hm, I don't know what network interface to select :( |
| 17:02.24 | johill | gizmo: sungem |
| 17:02.39 | gizmo | ? |
| 17:03.08 | gizmo | I can choose between: 1. Apple Computer Inc. 006b and 2. Ethernet of Fast Ethernet |
| 17:03.11 | johill | that's the driver, sorry |
| 17:03.19 | johill | use 2 |
| 17:03.24 | johill | 1 probably is firewire |
| 17:03.30 | gizmo | possibly, yes |
| 17:03.34 | gizmo | thanks |
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| 17:04.33 | gizmo | mh, dhcp didn't work :( although I don't know why |
| 17:04.57 | Corsac | gngng |
| 17:05.53 | johill | gizmo: maybe I was wrong, try the other device :) don't think so though |
| 17:08.38 | Corsac | hmh, that's really weird this openfirmware asking for NULL file |
| 17:08.58 | johill | dinner for me |
| 17:09.05 | Bor_Ed | beer for me |
| 17:09.07 | Corsac | bon appétit |
| 17:09.13 | johill | merci |
| 17:12.07 | gizmo | maybe i have another reason to hate d-link routers? :\ |
| 17:20.02 | gizmo | johill: it was the wrong choice |
| 17:20.10 | gizmo | I'm surprised as well. |
| 17:20.11 | Corsac | erf :) |
| 17:22.13 | Corsac | erf |
| 17:22.23 | Corsac | i didn't you it was possible to specify the name |
| 17:23.09 | gizmo | first problem: Partition disks: is "use the largest continuous free space" the free space I've made with the mac os x disk utility? |
| 17:23.25 | gizmo | or should I "manually edit partition table". |
| 17:25.15 | gizmo | come on, anyone? :) |
| 17:25.47 | Corsac | yeah, manually edit |
| 17:25.48 | pahartik | gizmo: IIRC, you did not leave free space... so "manually edit ..." |
| 17:26.04 | gizmo | I did. I partitioned and "created" 10gigs of "free space" |
| 17:26.17 | gizmo | which was "above" the macosx partition |
| 17:27.12 | gizmo | Okay, "create a new partition", "automatically partition the free space"? |
| 17:27.52 | pahartik | gizmo: oh yes, just looked back... |
| 17:28.07 | gizmo | doesn't matter. I created a new one :) |
| 17:28.19 | gizmo | use as ext3 jornaling system? |
| 17:28.47 | gizmo | what's "bootable flag"? |
| 17:30.03 | Corsac | something for windows |
| 17:30.26 | gizmo | so it stays "off"? |
| 17:31.46 | Corsac | yeah |
| 17:31.51 | Corsac | Transfer FILE: initrd.gz method load failed |
| 17:31.51 | Corsac | mpf. |
| 17:32.32 | gizmo | what I have now is: IDE1 master... : #1 (32kB) Apple #2 debian #3 70gb Apple_HFS_UN |
| 17:32.37 | gizmo | is that okay so far? :) |
| 17:32.56 | pahartik | Corsac: actually my "Apple_Bootstrap" partition is flagged "bootable"... |
| 17:33.00 | Corsac | thats the problem, yaboot 1.x only allocates a 4MB buffer for tftp |
| 17:33.01 | Corsac | | incomings. yaboot 2.0 will work better. (when its done). |
| 17:33.02 | Corsac | MPF. |
| 17:33.46 | Corsac | pahartik: afaik it's not useful but not harmful |
| 17:34.03 | Corsac | gizmo: maybe try to follow an install guide, i'll have to live |
| 17:34.53 | Corsac | johill: yaboo1 is limited to 4mb :( |
| 17:38.11 | gizmo | Corsac: I hate the official guide. It simply doesn't cover everything :( |
| 17:38.41 | gizmo | next problem (I wrote changes to disk, or tried to): "No NewWorld boot partition was found. ..." |
| 17:38.44 | gizmo | hmpf :\ |
| 17:42.23 | pahartik | gizmo: small "Apple_Bootstrap" partition with HFS is needed if one wants to use "yaboot" |
| 17:44.22 | gizmo | I don't know if I want to use that.. |
| 17:44.53 | gizmo | did I have to creat the Apple_bootstrap partition? that instruction was nowhere to be read.. |
| 17:44.54 | pahartik | gizmo: yes, you do want to use that on NewWorld workstation |
| 17:45.38 | gizmo | what should I do now? :> |
| 17:45.50 | gizmo | I'm currently "Installing the base system" :) |
| 17:46.20 | pahartik | gizmo: I do not remember how "partman" of Debian installer does it, but it does... |
| 17:47.28 | gizmo | I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens after the installation. I don't have anything to lose anyway |
| 17:48.32 | pahartik | gizmo: Debian gets installed but you have to use boot loader on CD or DVD to boot it? |
| 17:49.54 | gizmo | Hm, still I don't know what I did wrong. I couldn't find an instruction on how to "create" Apple_boostrap .. |
| 17:52.13 | pahartik | gizmo: I did it by interacting with dialogs when partitions were being edited... |
| 17:52.17 | johill | back |
| 17:52.26 | johill | what was that about yaboot? should I care? |
| 17:53.36 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: doesn't the installler since sarge do that by itself? |
| 17:55.00 | gizmo | I'm confused as well. maybe it's because of that netboot thing.. |
| 17:55.20 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: if "No NewWorld boot partition was found." it probably was missing? |
| 17:55.37 | Q-FUNK | ah. that could be |
| 17:56.02 | Q-FUNK | I just thought that parted was capable of figuring that all by itself nowadays |
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| 17:56.50 | wouter__ | hi, anyone here can remember the kernel option for enabling the fn key on my powerbook? passed it a few hours ago but i can't remember the exact name :s |
| 17:56.51 | gizmo | and what does the Apple_bootstrap look like? what size, etc.. ? |
| 17:58.00 | Q-FUNK | 800k |
| 17:58.11 | Q-FUNK | the installation manual talks about that |
| 17:58.13 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: harddisk on iBook G4 died ~6 moons ago, and I do not remember how installer exactly works on NewWorld PowerMacintosh... but it is fairly easy... |
| 17:59.03 | wouter__ | anyone? the kernel option for the fn key on pb keyboard? |
| 17:59.20 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: ah so you had to reinstall? |
| 17:59.33 | pahartik | gizmo: 'Partition 2: 800 KiB (819200 bytes, 1600 sectors from 64), Type "Apple_Bootstrap", HFS file system [...]' |
| 18:00.22 | gizmo | Q-FUNK: where exactly? :( http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch03s05.html.en |
| 18:00.34 | gizmo | I tried to follow that manual. |
| 18:00.36 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: harddisk device was replaced and I did not have reasonable backup |
| 18:00.47 | Q-FUNK | ouch |
| 18:00.50 | gizmo | pahartik: thanks. Still I hope I don't have to redo everthing :> |
| 18:02.22 | pahartik | gizmo: that is just what I have got on disk... (it does not have to be partition 2 or start from sector 64) |
| 18:05.08 | Q-FUNK | gizmo: the mac partioning guide in the annex, IIRC |
| 18:05.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: do you think I should start mixing drinks for mayday party weekend already? |
| 18:06.32 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: if you have good containers... alcohol tends to get off from the drinks in 3 days |
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| 18:07.46 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd I don't have such prob... 2 last days as rental worker at the company I've worked for over an year and permanent papers written already to there, starting on tuesday |
| 18:08.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I was thinking about mixing one at time and sipping it up afterwards |
| 18:09.34 | Bor_Ed | ahhh |
| 18:09.46 | gizmo | Q-FUNK: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/apbs05.html.en |
| 18:09.48 | Bor_Ed | well, starting now will get nice condition to labour day :D |
| 18:09.58 | gizmo | this means that I can still do this without re-formatting and everything? |
| 18:13.00 | gizmo | Ugh, what's the default screen resolution for the powerbook again? |
| 18:13.05 | johill | gizmo: which powerbook? |
| 18:13.29 | gizmo | alBook 5.8 |
| 18:13.31 | gizmo | 15" |
| 18:13.41 | johill | uh dunno about that one sorry |
| 18:14.18 | gizmo | hm, it should be the same as in the macbook pro |
| 18:15.45 | johill | sec |
| 18:16.01 | johill | asking my brother |
| 18:16.28 | johill | 1440x960 or 1440x900 he wasn't sure |
| 18:16.32 | gizmo | 1440x900 I think |
| 18:16.33 | johill | 960 |
| 18:16.36 | gizmo | really? :) |
| 18:16.36 | johill | he says |
| 18:16.47 | johill | he has the same machine so I trust him ;) |
| 18:17.39 | gizmo | haha, debian won't let me choose 960 though :> |
| 18:17.44 | johill | heh |
| 18:17.45 | gizmo | 900 it is then ;) |
| 18:17.51 | johill | you can reconfigure it later |
| 18:20.52 | gizmo | hm, yaboot is really needed it says :p |
| 18:21.07 | gizmo | 30 valuable mins of my life lost! ;D |
| 18:24.19 | gizmo | Okay, I've got 10gigs. How much for the swap partition and how much for the rest? |
| 18:26.30 | johill | I have 1.2g swap |
| 18:26.40 | johill | you have 10g for what? |
| 18:26.48 | gizmo | for linux! |
| 18:26.57 | gizmo | what proportions are recommended? |
| 18:27.21 | johill | well, I have 12g / (and only 1.2g free!) |
| 18:27.24 | pahartik | gizmo: my iBook G4 does have 1 GiB of swap but none of it is usually used... |
| 18:27.34 | johill | yeah I never use swap either ;) |
| 18:27.44 | johill | actually right now I do, interestinly |
| 18:27.58 | johill | anyway, my own home is 17g ;) and that doesn't include my music |
| 18:28.06 | gizmo | hm, what, if ever, would you use the swap for? |
| 18:29.07 | johill | suspend to disk |
| 18:30.49 | gizmo | what are the "mount point" and "label" for both swap and main partition? |
| 18:31.38 | johill | mount point is / for main, and nothing for swap (or 'swap' for swap dunno) |
| 18:31.47 | johill | and label doesn't matter, just how it's displayed |
| 18:33.09 | gizmo | okay, here we go again :> |
| 18:33.22 | pahartik | gizmo: "label" matters if one wants to mount by using "LABEL" instead of device... or use it otherwise |
| 18:33.40 | gizmo | too late ;) |
| 18:34.00 | gizmo | I'll use it the way it will work. |
| 18:35.35 | gizmo | hm "800 KB" isn't enough for the New World Apple Boostrap :( |
| 18:36.49 | pahartik | gizmo: maybe it requires 800 KiB |
| 18:38.23 | johill | Corsac: wanna try another patch? ;) |
| 18:39.55 | johill | I'll apply my patches to the other kernel and test that there |
| 18:41.55 | gizmo | it says that I need 818200 bytes for that partition. when I enter 819200 b it says "cant create outside of the disk" or sth like that. wtf :( |
| 18:42.36 | johill | maybe you don't have enough space? |
| 18:43.20 | gizmo | ah, that would be the case if it doesn't recognize "b" as bytes. but "bytes" is incorrect as well. hm. |
| 18:43.44 | johill | just leave it off ;) |
| 18:43.51 | johill | or does it think blocks then? |
| 18:44.16 | gizmo | I tried 810 kB now. seems to work so far.. I'll see. |
| 18:44.55 | pahartik | gizmo: "b" usually stands for bit, "B" usually stands for byte |
| 18:45.07 | johill | don't think you can partition in bits though ;) |
| 18:45.21 | gizmo | 810 kB seems to work :) |
| 18:45.30 | gizmo | no, it doesn't. |
| 18:45.31 | gizmo | MAN! |
| 18:45.38 | johill | .config:560:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC_BLINK |
| 18:45.40 | johill | mehehe |
| 18:45.45 | johill | that's what you get for removing it :) |
| 18:46.31 | gizmo | Please, anyone tell me what I should enter as a size for the bootstrap. |
| 18:46.47 | pahartik | gizmo: how about "820 kB"? |
| 18:46.48 | gizmo | it won't "eat" 819200 B either |
| 18:47.14 | johill | you're probably doing something else wrong, like putting it where there's no space or something |
| 18:47.18 | pahartik | gizmo: as that would exceed requirement for "800 KiB" |
| 18:47.48 | johill | fwiw, for some strange reason I decided to make mine almost 50mb |
| 18:47.56 | johill | which is of course HUGE and totally unnecessary |
| 18:48.08 | johill | but I'm not going to repartition for 48mb ;) |
| 18:48.48 | gizmo | let's have a look what it says about the 820 kB |
| 18:50.02 | johill | gotta reboot testing my patches :) |
| 18:50.41 | gizmo | next error: "the yaboot package failed to install into /target/. Installing yaboot as a boot loader is a required step. The install problem might however be unrelated to yaboot, so continuing...."? |
| 18:50.59 | pahartik | gizmo: "partman" and "parted" are slightly annoying as it is difficult to specify exact sizes like "800 KiB" |
| 18:52.52 | gizmo | should the apple_boostrap have a bootable flag? |
| 18:53.40 | pahartik | gizmo: it does have one here... but I do not know if that is required for anything |
| 18:55.01 | gizmo | hm. maybe it's the odd "Apple" thing in position 1 that destroys everything? |
| 18:55.15 | gizmo | yaboot can't be installed. what's wrong :( |
| 18:55.45 | gizmo | it doesn't say why. |
| 18:56.23 | pahartik | gizmo: damn that... |
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| 18:58.13 | johill | yay patch works |
| 18:59.04 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/via-pmu-powerbutton-event-dev.patch |
| 18:59.04 | gizmo | it's annoying that I have to boot into mac os x too eject a cd :\ |
| 18:59.59 | johill | gizmo: what? you can press the eject button during boot too I think |
| 19:00.12 | gizmo | hm, didn't work :> |
| 19:00.59 | gizmo | I'm starting over again. this time I'll try the testing release. |
| 19:01.31 | gizmo | it detects the cd-rom \o/ |
| 19:03.06 | gizmo | can I delete "#1 32.3kB Apple" In the "manually edit partitions" dialog? :) |
| 19:03.20 | johill | no |
| 19:03.26 | johill | that's the partition table itself :) |
| 19:03.39 | gizmo | kk, so basically there's nothing wrong. |
| 19:03.53 | johill | brb |
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| 19:10.30 | gizmo | what does the netinst mean by "desktop environment"? |
| 19:10.47 | gizmo | and why is it selected per default? |
| 19:11.35 | Oryn | gizmo: its gnome + Xorg + loads of other stuff like open office etc |
| 19:12.21 | gizmo | Hm, I want to install that separately by myself, don't I? |
| 19:12.26 | gizmo | hm hm hm. |
| 19:12.29 | Oryn | gizmo: its selected by default because (most) users want a graphical UI |
| 19:12.52 | gizmo | I want a graphical UI but I don't know if I want GNOME |
| 19:13.06 | gizmo | maybe that fvwm thing, or what's it called? |
| 19:13.12 | gizmo | what's good for the ppc? |
| 19:13.59 | Oryn | gizmo: I just installed fluxbox and wdm then removed gdm. |
| 19:14.17 | gizmo | okay. removing is easy I hope. |
| 19:14.22 | pahartik | gizmo: you should not worry about anything like desktop and applications before you manage to get system installed |
| 19:14.30 | Oryn | dpkg -P packagename |
| 19:14.45 | gizmo | hehe, yeah, I guess so. don't know yet if the yaboot problem persists |
| 19:15.28 | pahartik | gizmo: "aptitude" or other package management utilities can be used to install and remove packages |
| 19:16.04 | Oryn | apt-get remove packagename works too :) |
| 19:18.47 | gizmo | yes, I already know a bit of debian having it installed on my pc. it usually annoys me after just 5 minutes because sound just won't work. ever. |
| 19:18.48 | gizmo | :\ |
| 19:19.35 | pahartik | gizmo: wintels annoy me too, that is why I prefer not to touch them |
| 19:21.19 | gizmo | i think it's the soundcard's fault though :( |
| 19:24.26 | Oryn | gizmo: what sound card did your pc have? |
| 19:24.45 | gizmo | it has a terratec aureon universe. (i'm on the pc right now) |
| 19:25.05 | Oryn | never heard of it :P |
| 19:25.28 | Oryn | does any brand of linux support it? |
| 19:25.40 | gizmo | it's a beautiful card :) |
| 19:25.51 | Oryn | I have no doubt |
| 19:25.54 | Oryn | :) |
| 19:26.02 | gizmo | what do you mean by that? |
| 19:26.19 | gizmo | the alsa thing pretends to have those drivers but I never managed to get it runninmg |
| 19:26.27 | Oryn | ahh |
| 19:26.29 | Oryn | :) |
| 19:26.36 | Oryn | then all is not lost |
| 19:26.58 | Oryn | you could try usinf |
| 19:27.07 | Oryn | the cvs version of alsa |
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| 19:27.20 | gizmo | http://soundde.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=207 |
| 19:27.26 | Oryn | or try the testing version of debian |
| 19:27.26 | gizmo | that's the card! |
| 19:28.46 | gizmo | I will be happy when debian runs on the ppc.. :) |
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| 19:29.47 | Oryn | its an ice1712 chip (supported by alsa) if you load the correct module :P |
| 19:30.27 | gizmo | if you point me to the correct module, I'll maybe try afterwards :p |
| 19:31.10 | Oryn | I think its prity new (unlikly to work with woody) |
| 19:31.36 | gizmo | i've got 31r1a installed |
| 19:31.37 | Oryn | most prolly snd-ice1712 |
| 19:35.15 | gizmo | hm, alsa don't support it I think. I guess it was OSS then |
| 19:36.16 | gizmo | also, I didn't know what regparm was? |
| 19:36.31 | gizmo | is 31r1a regparm or not? :\ |
| 19:42.04 | pahartik | gizmo: what is this "regparm" you refer to? |
| 19:42.54 | SimonRaven | wth is regparm? |
| 19:43.26 | gizmo | http://www.4front-tech.com/download.cgi |
| 19:43.32 | SimonRaven | and 31r1a what? |
| 19:43.33 | gizmo | under "operating system" |
| 19:43.50 | gizmo | 31r1a is my debian version installed :\ |
| 19:44.15 | SimonRaven | it's called sarge |
| 19:45.03 | gizmo | not a beautiful name :( |
| 19:47.03 | SimonRaven | no, but it's clear what you're talking about then :) |
| 19:50.57 | gizmo | okay, I'll try to stick at that ;) |
| 19:51.05 | gizmo | who's woody? |
| 19:52.48 | SimonRaven | oldstable |
| 19:53.04 | SimonRaven | @woody |
| 19:53.09 | SimonRaven | @sarge |
| 19:53.29 | SimonRaven | @woody |
| 19:53.29 | ravenbird | woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release (July/2006) |
| 19:53.35 | SimonRaven | @sarge |
| 19:53.35 | ravenbird | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:55.29 | gizmo | thanks :) |
| 19:55.59 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 20:16.16 | gizmo | i hate unintended double-clicks when closing a window :> |
| 20:28.31 | gizmo | it seems that my installation was succesfull this time! \o/ |
| 20:31.23 | gizmo | wow, the boot options aren't pretty |
| 20:31.36 | gizmo | what do I have to enter there? |
| 20:31.57 | gizmo | I've entered "l" for booting Linux but then I'm asked again what to boot |
| 20:32.09 | gizmo | pressing the Tab key gives me "Linux" and "old" |
| 20:32.12 | gizmo | wth :?> |
| 20:32.53 | gizmo | I chose "Linux"! let's see what happens |
| 20:33.50 | gizmo | hm.. I see a darkness. |
| 20:34.01 | gizmo | with a bright line at the bottom of the screen. what has happened? :) |
| 20:34.42 | johill | does it not continue? that's bad then |
| 20:35.10 | gizmo | well I've waited for 2 mins or so then powered down |
| 20:35.27 | johill | hm |
| 20:35.46 | johill | not good. maybe it didn't install the same kernel the installer had? that'd be weird tho |
| 20:35.54 | gizmo | huh? :D |
| 20:36.14 | johill | well the installer kernel obviously worked right? |
| 20:36.17 | gizmo | wow, now, when I try to power the machine up, nothing happens but a loud cooler noise :> |
| 20:36.24 | gizmo | yes, everything seemed to work |
| 20:36.37 | johill | hmm, strange |
| 20:36.41 | johill | let it cool for a few minutes |
| 20:37.35 | gizmo | Hm, the boot program selects the default value after just 3 seconds or so.. let's see what happens now. |
| 20:37.48 | gizmo | Oh, the same. Dark screen with a bright line at the bottom end. |
| 20:37.50 | gizmo | wait? |
| 20:37.58 | johill | no that isn't normal, it should flip over |
| 20:38.06 | johill | it should *at least* display something |
| 20:38.16 | gizmo | it displays a bright line ;) |
| 20:38.23 | johill | yeah well, some text :) |
| 20:38.50 | gizmo | well there was some text, the usual booting procedure. but then there is the line. |
| 20:39.04 | gizmo | maybe because 1440*900 isn't the correct resolution? |
| 20:39.30 | johill | ah |
| 20:39.34 | johill | try booting with video=ofonly |
| 20:39.59 | gizmo | okay. so first i choose linux and then ofonly? |
| 20:40.01 | johill | iow instead of pressing enter or writing Linux on the yaboot prompt, enter Linux video=ofonly |
| 20:41.01 | gizmo | k |
| 20:41.32 | gizmo | there are some "FATALS" |
| 20:41.37 | gizmo | and then there is the bright line again :> |
| 20:42.40 | gizmo | ah, what do I do now :( |
| 20:49.32 | gizmo | aw c'mon. someone help me :\ |
| 21:00.03 | pahartik | gizmo: you see system start-up messages but starting X11 server causes problem? |
| 21:00.32 | gizmo | I guess so? everything loads like it should but then suddenly I get this weird screen. |
| 21:03.02 | pahartik | gizmo: if you cannot switch between virtual consoles, boot in single user mode and disable X11 display manager... |
| 21:04.17 | gizmo | I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. |
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| 21:28.09 | gizmo | what's the single-user mode? |
| 21:29.39 | gizmo | okay, I did it. |
| 21:30.37 | pahartik | gizmo: it is basically special runlevel on SYSV init |
| 21:31.20 | gizmo | Mhm now I need to know how to disable X |
| 21:36.05 | gizmo | but I can't figure out how :( |
| 21:36.22 | gizmo | what bothers me is that when I type "ls", there is nothing returned... |
| 21:40.48 | gizmo | apt-get update gives me errors that it can't connect, etc.. |
| 21:41.44 | gizmo | please, someone MUST be awake, still : |
| 21:48.12 | mcgreg | gizmo: you still dont know how to disbale X? |
| 21:48.29 | mcgreg | tried ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 21:50.36 | gizmo | I still don't know |
| 21:51.00 | gizmo | I tried apt-get --purge remove x11-common but all I got were dozens of error messages :> |
| 21:51.23 | gizmo | ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't do a damn thing :> |
| 21:52.03 | mcgreg | I didnt read the whole stuff. pls explain me in short detail what exactly is your problem |
| 21:52.29 | Corsac | johill: why not ? |
| 21:52.36 | johill | ? |
| 21:52.40 | johill | lost track sorry |
| 21:52.46 | Corsac | 2006/04/28 - [20:38:23] #DebianPPC: (johill): Corsac: wanna try another patch? ;) |
| 21:52.49 | Corsac | :) |
| 21:52.59 | johill | ah :) it made its way to debian-powerpc already |
| 21:53.16 | gizmo | well I installed the etch, and tried to boot, but all I get is a dark screen (with a bright line at the bottom), mcgreg |
| 21:53.36 | gizmo | so I assumed that X doesn't work and want to reconfigure or delete it as a single-user |
| 21:54.33 | mcgreg | what X do you have? you still can access apt? still can install/deinstall packages? |
| 21:54.57 | gizmo | it seems that I can't get a network connection. Is there a way I can test this? |
| 21:55.02 | Corsac | johill: is there another way than yaboot to netboot an installer ? |
| 21:55.15 | johill | I think OF can do tftp too, no? |
| 21:55.16 | johill | not sure |
| 21:55.21 | gizmo | I've got the X which was incluced on the netinst mcgreg |
| 21:55.35 | Corsac | yes, that's what I'm doing, but I'm using: boot enet:0,yaboot |
| 21:55.53 | johill | ah ok |
| 21:55.53 | Corsac | maybe I could use directly the vmlinux file |
| 21:55.57 | mcgreg | gizmo: well, maybe... did you try ssh from another machine? |
| 21:56.05 | johill | ah you're loading yaboot from the net? |
| 21:56.05 | Corsac | but then I wouldn't have the initrd |
| 21:56.09 | Corsac | yes |
| 21:56.09 | johill | no idea |
| 21:56.13 | gizmo | no, and don't know what that is. :) |
| 21:56.16 | johill | what's wrong with that? |
| 21:56.24 | Corsac | (that's the way I was told to do from various installers howto) |
| 21:56.29 | mcgreg | secure shell server... |
| 21:56.31 | Corsac | because the initrd is 9mo |
| 21:56.37 | johill | ah |
| 21:56.40 | Corsac | and yaboot can't tftp files>5 mo |
| 21:56.55 | gizmo | can I do that in windows? |
| 21:56.58 | johill | no idea sorry |
| 21:57.04 | Corsac | thanks anyway |
| 21:57.13 | Corsac | svenl: do you have a clue ? |
| 21:57.33 | johill | heh. that sounds bad ;) |
| 21:57.35 | mcgreg | gizmo: yes. you need a ssh-client, the IP of the linux-machine, a user or root/passowrd |
| 21:57.57 | gizmo | how do I find out the ip of the linux machine? |
| 21:58.01 | mcgreg | the linux m,achine must have network working properly AND a working ssh-server running |
| 21:58.18 | mcgreg | is it connected to a router? |
| 21:58.38 | gizmo | I don't think anything is working properly on the linux machine so far. I was surprised it knew my username&password.. |
| 21:59.12 | mcgreg | brb |
| 22:05.22 | Corsac | #define LOAD_BUFFER_SIZE 0x600000 |
| 22:05.35 | Corsac | /* this cannot be safely increased any further */ |
| 22:05.37 | Corsac | :( |
| 22:06.45 | mcgreg | gizmo: I am sorry, but I will go to bed now, I am very very very tired. I hope somebody else can help you... |
| 22:09.27 | gizmo | Hehe, no problem, I'm sure someone else can help me ;) |
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| 22:14.54 | SimonRaven | Corsac: indeed, that's the max |
| 22:15.08 | SimonRaven | else you have borkedness |
| 22:17.14 | gizmo | failed to run "X -configure" :( |
| 22:17.33 | gizmo | Fatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting |
| 22:17.39 | gizmo | aww :( |
| 22:17.44 | Corsac | SimonRaven: so is there a way to transfer this 9mo initrd ? |
| 22:18.15 | SimonRaven | 9 MB? wtf |
| 22:18.31 | SimonRaven | gizmo: don't run that. |
| 22:18.32 | SimonRaven | @drxx gizmo |
| 22:18.34 | ravenbird | gizmo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 22:19.12 | Corsac | SimonRaven: the gtk installer |
| 22:19.36 | Corsac | HAHA |
| 22:19.39 | SimonRaven | are you fucking serious? *SIGH* |
| 22:19.40 | Corsac | it workd |
| 22:19.44 | Corsac | SimonRaven: i am |
| 22:19.45 | Corsac | :) |
| 22:19.58 | Corsac | http://people.debian.org/~cjwatson/d-i/powerpc-gtk/daily/powerpc/gtk-miniiso/ |
| 22:20.26 | Corsac | (hmh, but the installer breaks after) |
| 22:20.34 | SimonRaven | i'll stick to curses, thanks |
| 22:20.39 | gizmo | thank you revenbirg |
| 22:20.41 | SimonRaven | and whiptail |
| 22:20.45 | gizmo | ravenbird :\ |
| 22:20.46 | ravenbird | rumour has it, \ is hi |
| 22:21.02 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: forget :\ |
| 22:21.02 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: i didn't have anything called ':\' to forget |
| 22:21.07 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: forget \ |
| 22:21.08 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: i forgot \ |
| 22:21.13 | SimonRaven | dumb bot |
| 22:21.27 | Corsac | SimonRaven: it was for testing purposes |
| 22:21.33 | Corsac | (but it doesn't work :( ) |
| 22:21.36 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 22:21.57 | SimonRaven | probably the initrd taking up too much space ... |
| 22:22.18 | gizmo | wow, how can I find out about the exact identifier for the video card in my powerbook? |
| 22:22.32 | gizmo | xserver-xorg says that it's a 9600 but that's not true. |
| 22:22.35 | SimonRaven | lspci to start |
| 22:23.06 | SimonRaven | it doesn't matter much anyway, it's just for config purposes |
| 22:23.56 | gizmo | was that directed to me SimonRaven? |
| 22:24.24 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:25.03 | gizmo | So I accept 9600? :\ |
| 22:25.59 | SimonRaven | put whatever you like. you could put mine for all i/it care(s) |
| 22:27.49 | Corsac | SimonRaven: no, it boots, but it doesnt manage to "initialize" gtk, i guess |
| 22:28.22 | Corsac | maybe the transfer isn't complete, though |
| 22:28.35 | Corsac | (i've changed 0x600000 to 0xF00000 |
| 22:28.36 | Corsac | ) |
| 22:28.39 | Corsac | on yaboot code |
| 22:35.46 | gizmo | hm, I reconfigured xserver but it doesn't work :( |
| 22:36.18 | gizmo | could it be Gnome's fault? the console says something about gnome before the display changes completely.. |
| 22:37.16 | gizmo | Plus, I hear an increasing sound of the gpu fan.. |
| 22:38.51 | johill | gizmo: xserver configured wrong |
| 22:39.27 | johill | ahh |
| 22:39.28 | johill | heh |
| 22:39.37 | johill | you probably installed xserver-xorg 7 ? |
| 22:39.53 | gizmo | nope, it's 6.9 or sth |
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| 22:39.53 | johill | boot to single mode for now ;) |
| 22:40.01 | johill | and there's benzea to help you |
| 22:40.07 | johill | benzea, meet gizmo :P |
| 22:41.28 | johill | gizmo: yeah, 6.9 is bad to |
| 22:41.31 | johill | too even |
| 22:41.45 | benzea | I am still running an _old_ version ... |
| 22:41.55 | johill | I'm still running 6.8.2. there's a slight chance that 7.0 might work but I dunno |
| 22:42.06 | gizmo | how can I get 7.0? |
| 22:42.14 | Corsac | upgrade ? |
| 22:42.29 | johill | Corsac will just tell you to configure dri so that it works ;) |
| 22:42.53 | johill | benzea: can you send me the patched hal deb? it doesn't seem to build on my box |
| 22:43.03 | gizmo | Corsac: what's de command? |
| 22:43.04 | Corsac | >< |
| 22:43.20 | Corsac | gizmo: i haven't followed, you're running etch at the moment ? |
| 22:43.44 | gizmo | Corsac: yes, the only version that works |
| 22:43.56 | Corsac | ok |
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| 22:44.20 | Corsac | you're ok about upgrading to sid/unstable ? |
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| 22:44.58 | gizmo | it can't get more unstable than this. |
| 22:45.00 | benzea | johill, http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/hal_0.5.7-1_powerpc.deb |
| 22:45.24 | johill | benzea: tx, got it |
| 22:45.50 | Corsac | gizmo: ok, so replace etch/testing by unstable on your /etc/apt/sources.net |
| 22:45.53 | Corsac | sources.list |
| 22:46.03 | Corsac | then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:46.38 | gizmo | how do I replace etch by unstable? |
| 22:47.00 | johill | Corsac: are you sure that xorg 7 works? |
| 22:47.21 | Corsac | johill: here it works |
| 22:47.36 | johill | but you also have dri stuff no? |
| 22:47.37 | johill | and r300 |
| 22:47.41 | Corsac | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0 |
| 22:47.41 | Corsac | Build Operating System:Linux 2.4.25 ppc |
| 22:47.41 | Corsac | Current Operating System: Linux hidalgo 2.6.17-rc2 #4 Fri Apr 28 16:04:48 CEST 2006 ppc |
| 22:47.54 | Corsac | and yes I have dri |
| 22:47.56 | Corsac | and r300 |
| 22:48.27 | gizmo | Corsac? |
| 22:48.32 | Corsac | yes ? |
| 22:48.35 | Corsac | ah |
| 22:48.40 | Corsac | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:48.54 | johill | hey, finally someone to talks about getting r300 on a debian system |
| 22:49.05 | Corsac | you should have some lines like deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:49.14 | Corsac | replace etch by sid |
| 22:49.20 | Corsac | (it may be testing, though) |
| 22:49.56 | Corsac | johill: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed ? |
| 22:50.02 | johill | don't think I do |
| 22:50.20 | gizmo | wow, I do this using "vi"? I totally forgot how all this works :> I've got the sources.list opened, not bad for a beginning :> |
| 22:50.30 | johill | gizmo: hit :q! |
| 22:50.33 | johill | and then install joe ;) |
| 22:50.37 | Corsac | or nano |
| 22:50.53 | Corsac | vim is great too, but beginning with it may be confusing |
| 22:52.46 | gizmo | I edited sources.list using vi |
| 22:52.59 | gizmo | I replaced http:..... etch by sid |
| 22:53.02 | Corsac | ok |
| 22:53.14 | Corsac | now quit saving (:wq) then do apt-get update |
| 22:53.47 | gizmo | I think I can't connect anywhere :( |
| 22:53.52 | Corsac | erf |
| 22:53.56 | Corsac | you don't have net access ? |
| 22:54.11 | gizmo | I should have. I installed etch using netinst. |
| 22:54.32 | Corsac | maybe the iface wasn't mounted correctly ? |
| 22:55.22 | gizmo | how would I have noticed? |
| 22:55.41 | Corsac | for example if you can't connect anywhere |
| 22:55.50 | gizmo | and how can I fix this? |
| 22:56.20 | Corsac | try looking if the interface has a good address |
| 22:56.22 | Corsac | (ifconfig) |
| 22:56.30 | Corsac | check also the routes (route -n) |
| 22:57.04 | gizmo | Inet addr: 127.0.0.1 and a weird subnet mask... :\ |
| 22:57.59 | gizmo | route -n: Kernet IP routing table: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 22:58.13 | johill | you need to configure eth0 or something first? possibly even load sungem? |
| 22:58.41 | gizmo | bad news: I can't even ping the router :( |
| 22:59.00 | gizmo | everything should have been configured.. I installed everything by downloading it first :( |
| 22:59.22 | Corsac | gizmo: interface eth isn't mounted |
| 22:59.31 | gizmo | let me mount it! how? |
| 22:59.36 | Corsac | what does ifconfig -a shows ? |
| 22:59.56 | gizmo | eth0 eth1 and lo |
| 23:00.00 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:00.31 | Corsac | eth0 or eth1 is the ethernet card, the other one is ethernet over firewire |
| 23:00.41 | johill | which one has a useful mac address with colons in it? :) |
| 23:00.50 | johill | the firewire one has a huge mac address separated by dashes |
| 23:01.05 | Corsac | the other one should look like: |
| 23:01.07 | Corsac | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:24:84:67:50 |
| 23:01.09 | gizmo | eth1 has dashes |
| 23:01.22 | gizmo | eth0 is the "same" here Corsac |
| 23:01.27 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:01.33 | Corsac | so try an ifup eth0 |
| 23:01.56 | gizmo | Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 23:02.40 | johill | heh configure it first then, wonder why the installer didn't |
| 23:03.16 | gizmo | I've never configured eth0 before. How do I do that? :> |
| 23:03.41 | Corsac | gizmo: do you have a dhcp server running ? |
| 23:04.25 | gizmo | Yup, the installed found one. |
| 23:04.30 | gizmo | it's the router |
| 23:04.33 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:04.38 | gizmo | I know its IP address and all that. |
| 23:04.39 | Corsac | so just add: |
| 23:04.40 | Corsac | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:04.45 | Corsac | in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:05.54 | gizmo | cd interfaces: interfaces: not a directory although I see it :( |
| 23:06.05 | Corsac | no no, it's a file :) |
| 23:06.06 | Corsac | edit it |
| 23:06.12 | gizmo | aah :> |
| 23:06.13 | Corsac | and add somewhere the line I pasted |
| 23:06.45 | gizmo | it's in there except it's eth1 and not 0 |
| 23:06.49 | gizmo | should I replace it? |
| 23:06.56 | johill | you should install ifrename as soon as you can |
| 23:07.06 | johill | and rename the stupid firewire device away so it won't collide with the other |
| 23:07.23 | johill | because otherwise, once a while, you'll see that eth0 is the firewire one |
| 23:07.38 | johill | # cat /etc/iftab |
| 23:07.38 | johill | firewire driver eth1394 |
| 23:07.42 | johill | is what I use |
| 23:07.47 | Corsac | KERNEL="eth*", SYSFS{address}="00:11:24:84:67:50", NAME="eth0" |
| 23:08.00 | Corsac | i use that in my /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules :) |
| 23:08.05 | johill | works too |
| 23:08.19 | Corsac | btw i don't use my eth0 anymore |
| 23:08.33 | Corsac | and I don't build ethernet over firewire anymore |
| 23:08.35 | johill | what, all bcm43xx now? |
| 23:08.52 | Corsac | yes |
| 23:08.56 | johill | :) |
| 23:08.58 | gizmo | Okay, I replaced the eth1's by eth0 |
| 23:09.02 | Corsac | ok :) |
| 23:09.06 | Corsac | now just ifup eth0 |
| 23:09.16 | gizmo | that worked \o/ |
| 23:09.19 | johill | you could add 'auto eth0' somewhere too |
| 23:09.20 | Corsac | yeah |
| 23:09.25 | johill | that way you get it up automatically |
| 23:09.33 | johill | or, I prefer that, install network-manager-gnome :) |
| 23:09.36 | gizmo | I think it's in the file already. |
| 23:09.41 | Corsac | johill: btw, i have dri but that doesnt work in quake |
| 23:09.48 | johill | hmm what happens? |
| 23:09.51 | Corsac | johill: i use laptop-netconf |
| 23:09.52 | gizmo | Corsac: you play quake? :) |
| 23:09.59 | Corsac | gizmo: i used to |
| 23:10.09 | gizmo | I used to play Q3: Arena |
| 23:10.10 | johill | Corsac: I used to use ifplugd, but hey, n-m is so much nicer and handles wireless too |
| 23:10.39 | gizmo | I'm running the apt-get update atm |
| 23:10.56 | gizmo | what now? |
| 23:11.16 | gizmo | get 1 and get 2 were for etch though.. get 3 for sid |
| 23:11.19 | johill | apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
| 23:11.28 | johill | but make sure it doesn't try to delete something you need |
| 23:11.34 | johill | though you have a fresh install so not much to loose |
| 23:12.13 | gizmo | that's correct |
| 23:12.40 | gizmo | a lot of thinking atm. (I'm actually happy seeing the ppc actualy _doing_ something) |
| 23:13.18 | gizmo | okay, dist-upgrade is done. |
| 23:13.22 | gizmo | what else? :) |
| 23:13.37 | johill | done? what did it do? |
| 23:14.10 | johill | I'd have expected it to take at least half an hour. well maybe not quite |
| 23:14.14 | gizmo | hm :\ |
| 23:14.37 | gizmo | get 1 was console-common |
| 23:14.41 | gizmo | 2 was libvolume |
| 23:14.44 | gizmo | 3 udev |
| 23:14.56 | gizmo | 4 initramfs-tools |
| 23:15.04 | gizmo | 5 pcmciautils |
| 23:15.05 | Corsac | johill: http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/shot0004.jpg |
| 23:15.10 | gizmo | 500kB :) |
| 23:15.31 | johill | Corsac: I see what you mean. hm |
| 23:15.35 | johill | gizmo: that doesn't sound right |
| 23:16.28 | gizmo | :( |
| 23:17.00 | gizmo | should I replace all of the "etch"s in the sources.list with sid ? |
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| 23:19.04 | gizmo | having done so (all the https at least) apt-update takes a lot longer. |
| 23:20.02 | Corsac | :) |
| 23:20.27 | gizmo | now it hangs by 99% when connecting to security.debian.org :\ |
| 23:20.49 | SimonRaven | i think i'll mirror the docs in the topic on my wiki |
| 23:21.20 | SimonRaven | yeh, it's been a bit finicky lately |
| 23:21.23 | gizmo | failed to fetch this, failed to fetch that.. :\ |
| 23:21.36 | SimonRaven | stuff is getting shuffled |
| 23:21.39 | SimonRaven | um, sec |
| 23:22.52 | SimonRaven | @mirror split |
| 23:22.52 | ravenbird | http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors-announce/2006/02/msg00000.html |
| 23:23.28 | SimonRaven | so if you had stuff going for ftp.debian.org for example, that's what happened. the uris are stil valid for now |
| 23:23.47 | SimonRaven | but, it's not for *all* mirrors |
| 23:24.46 | gizmo | now I'm downloading 170megs of new packages oO |
| 23:25.12 | Corsac | johill: do you have dri now ? |
| 23:25.30 | johill | haven't restarted X so wouldn't know |
| 23:25.36 | johill | but I haven't configured it anyway |
| 23:25.42 | johill | besides, I'm still with Xorg 6.8.2 :) |
| 23:25.43 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:25.46 | Corsac | eh :) |
| 23:25.52 | Corsac | (but i had dri with it) |
| 23:26.00 | Corsac | at least 6.9, but afair 6.8 too |
| 23:27.09 | SimonRaven | working on 7 on x86, and 7 is installed on the ppcs, but are due to be removed due to re-dedication. i just wish i had 3 newer g4 machines ;) |
| 23:27.29 | SimonRaven | (each with 1 GB RAM ;) |
| 23:27.51 | johill | SimonRaven: why not G5 right away? |
| 23:27.53 | johill | :P |
| 23:28.24 | SimonRaven | because i'm not likely to find some in the garbage/donated |
| 23:28.54 | johill | but will you find g4s |
| 23:29.40 | SimonRaven | more likely - they're getting "older" every time crapple releases another machine ... |
| 23:29.54 | gizmo | haha "crapple" |
| 23:29.55 | johill | heh ok looking at it that way |
| 23:30.21 | SimonRaven | "scavenging the consumerist society" ;) |
| 23:30.55 | johill | :) |
| 23:31.09 | johill | apple announced a recycling deal |
| 23:31.22 | johill | maybe you should announce a 'will recycle working machines for free' too ;) |
| 23:31.34 | SimonRaven | yeh ;) |
| 23:32.22 | SimonRaven | i was thinking of asking for hardware donations on my site - i hate to do it, but i've pushed what i've got to the limits |
| 23:34.50 | johill | we have a 400 euro beer^Whardware budget from the bcm43xx donations.. people seem to be quite generous sometimes :) |
| 23:35.51 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 23:37.50 | Corsac | SimonRaven: i've seen here somebody pasting a link to pegasos giving ppc hardware for projects |
| 23:38.43 | SimonRaven | i don't think it would qualify, it's not a s/w project |
| 23:40.46 | SimonRaven | thanks though |
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| 23:48.24 | gizmo | apt-get upgrade is almost done \o/ |
| 23:48.31 | gizmo | dist-upgrade, of course |
| 23:49.00 | Corsac | what are sit* interfaces ? |
| 23:49.49 | johill | ip in ip |
| 23:50.00 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:50.03 | johill | usually |
| 23:50.18 | Corsac | i should be able to mount any sit* that i want, shouldn't I ? |
| 23:50.19 | johill | I think you can do other stuff too, not quite sure, in any case you can rename them freely anyway |
| 23:50.33 | Corsac | i'd like to define a new sit |
| 23:50.35 | johill | well on my router for example I have a sixxs device instead :) |
| 23:50.46 | johill | I suggest you give it a good name right away |
| 23:50.58 | johill | 13: sixxs@NONE: <POINTOPOINT,NOARP,UP> mtu 1280 qdisc noqueue |
| 23:50.58 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.58 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.58 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.59 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.01 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.19 | Corsac | i'd like to define a sit6to4 |
| 23:51.21 | Corsac | following: |
| 23:51.29 | Corsac | http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/IPv6_Guide#Configuring_6to4_on_Debian_GNU.2FLinux_Router |
| 23:51.46 | SimonRaven | tunnelled ipv6 in ipv4 |
| 23:51.50 | Corsac | yes |
| 23:51.51 | johill | yeah looks fine |
| 23:52.01 | Corsac | root@heracles: ifup sit6to4 [/etc/network] |
| 23:52.04 | Corsac | SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device |
| 23:52.05 | gizmo | are both of you on a ppc linux atm? would you mind taking a screenshot of your current environment to motivate me, please? |
| 23:52.07 | Corsac | Failed to bring up sit6to4. |
| 23:52.18 | johill | gizmo: heh |
| 23:52.52 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/gizmo-screenshot.png |
| 23:53.12 | gizmo | ah, thank you :) |
| 23:53.15 | johill | anyway, I need sleep. badly |
| 23:53.21 | johill | but I have a lower resolution powerbook than you, I think |
| 23:54.03 | gizmo | doesn't matter. |
| 23:54.05 | Corsac | gizmo: http://www.corsac.net/images/bureaux/desktop.jpg |
| 23:54.10 | gizmo | hm, I got some errors during the upgrade :\ |
| 23:54.38 | gizmo | that's nice as well Corsac |
| 23:55.01 | gizmo | I got an error with gnome-media-common and libgnome-media.. :\ |
| 23:55.03 | Corsac | johill: do you know why it doesnt want to bring up sit6to5 ? |
| 23:55.07 | Corsac | sit6to4* |
| 23:56.00 | johill | no |
| 23:56.41 | johill | maybe the up script doesn't exist? |
| 23:56.43 | johill | up /etc/network/ipv6.sh |
| 23:56.50 | johill | I dunno, strace it :) |
| 23:56.56 | SimonRaven | can't connect to the peer to set up the tunnel is the most common problem |
| 23:56.58 | johill | I have to get some sleep |
| 23:57.13 | johill | heh maybe you don't have any anycast peers. that'd be odd |
| 23:57.23 | gizmo | okay johill, good night and thanks for the help |
| 23:57.54 | johill | np |
| 23:58.13 | Corsac | SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device |
| 23:58.20 | Corsac | i don't really understand this :/ |
