| 00:01.50 | justinm | the answer would have been: yes |
| 00:01.51 | justinm | heh |
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| 00:33.04 | AlterCtrlEgo | So, how would I make use of my PPC Debian CDs then? |
| 00:33.16 | AlterCtrlEgo | (on an OldWorld Mac...) |
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| 01:20.23 | justinm | man, people sure are impatient |
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| 02:53.00 | jck77 | anyone using the isight ? |
| 02:53.12 | jck77 | working i mean |
| 04:21.07 | simonrvn | justinm: no kidding. i see that a lot *sigh* |
| 04:45.13 | justinm | just wrote this: |
| 04:45.14 | justinm | http://www.n0de.ws/debianG3.htm |
| 04:45.27 | justinm | your website is linked there simon |
| 04:45.35 | justinm | any input from you experts would be appreciated |
| 05:18.35 | simonrvn | on first skim it seems ok |
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| 05:55.36 | adu | hey |
| 05:55.53 | adu | is there an "old world" version of debian ppc? |
| 05:57.56 | simonrvn | no. it's just ppc, ppc64. why would there need to be a separate one? however, on a package level, and build level, things differ, but not a lot (bootloaders, certain utilities, in the case of the 64 builds, compiled on 64 bit, of course). |
| 05:59.12 | adu | i'm trying to install debian ppc on an "old world" machine, and i can't get it to boot |
| 05:59.27 | simonrvn | it won't boot the cd. the install guide says this. |
| 05:59.35 | adu | oh |
| 06:00.10 | simonrvn | @install guide |
| 06:00.12 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 06:00.18 | adu | it has macosx 10.2 on it right now, and because Apple won't let me install 10.3 i'm switching it to linux |
| 06:00.54 | simonrvn | "apple won't let you"? |
| 06:01.29 | adu | macosx 10.3 requires "builtin-usb" and that computer has a "usb-adapter-card" so it doesn't meet 10.3's hardware requirements..... stupid |
| 06:01.49 | simonrvn | ah, i see. agreed |
| 06:02.09 | simonrvn | yet another way to force you to "upgrade"... |
| 06:02.12 | adu | yes |
| 06:02.34 | adu | its ok i'm looking forward to having a linux box again |
| 06:02.46 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:03.19 | simonrvn | old world it's floppy or bootx installe, then bootx or quik booting |
| 06:03.30 | simonrvn | s,installe,install, |
| 06:04.27 | adu | ya |
| 06:04.43 | adu | i don't need bootx, because i don't have macos9 on it, so i'd like to use quik |
| 06:04.54 | simonrvn | what's the box? |
| 06:05.13 | adu | do i get the powerpc_floppy_boot or powerpc_floppy_boot_ofonly? |
| 06:05.17 | adu | simonrvn: just macosx 10.2 |
| 06:05.19 | simonrvn | first |
| 06:05.29 | simonrvn | the computer, not the current os :) |
| 06:05.38 | adu | oh |
| 06:05.57 | adu | um, no gcc/devtools, but i could connect it to the internet... |
| 06:06.23 | adu | over ethernet/dhcp could the netinstall use that? |
| 06:06.30 | simonrvn | eh? i mean, what's the hardware you have there? yes |
| 06:07.12 | adu | hardware, floppy/zipdrive/cd, ethernet/usb/scsi, 6GB hd... |
| 06:07.16 | simonrvn | that's pretty much how you had to in the woody days. now you can use the cd as source |
| 06:07.47 | simonrvn | ok, i'll say it in "apple terminology", what's the form factor? |
| 06:07.58 | adu | this computer has CD-R so i can burn the iso's |
| 06:08.20 | adu | simonrvn: oh, Beige G3 |
| 06:08.33 | adu | the last non-pretty G3 |
| 06:08.40 | simonrvn | aaah. um, you might be stuck with a small mock os partition |
| 06:08.48 | adu | oh |
| 06:08.54 | simonrvn | depends if you can get quik to cooperate |
| 06:08.54 | adu | ya its old-world |
| 06:09.11 | simonrvn | better luck booting from scsi than ide |
| 06:09.15 | simonrvn | sec |
| 06:09.19 | simonrvn | @beige g3 |
| 06:09.19 | adu | i don't see how i would install it, being that it doesn't have rpm and quick only comes in rpm |
| 06:09.19 | ravenbird | Sam-I-Am has nicely wrote up some documentation for beige G3s, located at http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Know/KbTopic2 |
| 06:09.35 | simonrvn | see that. see if your OF version matches the doc there ^^ |
| 06:09.36 | adu | o wow thankyou |
| 06:09.50 | simonrvn | no it doesn't. debian's is much more modern |
| 06:09.56 | simonrvn | it's at 2.1 |
| 06:10.12 | simonrvn | quik supports gzipped kernels for instance |
| 06:10.51 | simonrvn | debian is almost the upstream source now; it's been unmaintained upstream for a while ... |
| 06:11.23 | adu | "upstream"? i don't understand... |
| 06:11.48 | adu | ok |
| 06:11.53 | simonrvn | upstream means whichever group of people or person maintains the code base for the software |
| 06:12.11 | simonrvn | ...that's not the packager |
| 06:13.17 | simonrvn | the packager for the distro takes the source, which usually comes in a tar ball (e.g., foo.tar.gz) and makes it into a package for the distro |
| 06:13.40 | adu | ic |
| 06:14.39 | adu | i wonder what it would take to make a live CD for older macs |
| 06:14.58 | simonrvn | a free (as in speech) miboot |
| 06:15.31 | simonrvn | the source for it comes with the bootx .sit IIRC |
| 06:15.41 | adu | hm |
| 06:16.16 | simonrvn | which is being work on, but it's slow going for various (legit) reasons |
| 06:16.19 | simonrvn | worked* |
| 06:16.32 | adu | can i help? |
| 06:17.04 | simonrvn | i don't know. you'd have to ask the person doing the reverse engineering |
| 06:17.47 | adu | ooo |
| 06:17.52 | adu | i like reverse engineering :) |
| 06:18.07 | adu | i mean, security testing... |
| 06:23.35 | adu | what is "System Disk"? |
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| 06:24.45 | simonrvn | it's to set OF variables |
| 06:26.12 | adu | hm SystemDisk is a macclassic self-mounting-image |
| 06:26.16 | adu | i can't use it in macosx |
| 06:26.43 | simonrvn | no, and you can only use it natively |
| 06:26.59 | adu | hm |
| 06:27.04 | simonrvn | you can use some os x util to do that though |
| 06:27.19 | simonrvn | nvram-something IIRC |
| 06:31.48 | adu | /usr/sbin/nvram exists... |
| 06:31.50 | adu | maybe its that |
| 06:33.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 11:32.48 | rotzbouw_ | Hi |
| 11:32.56 | rotzbouw_ | Have I joined this room before? |
| 11:37.52 | johill | yes see the user list ;) |
| 11:45.07 | rotzbouw_ | Ugh. I don't know how this is possible though. everytime I start up irssi I autoconnect and join this room but can't say anything.. so I try to connect and join again.. |
| 11:46.07 | rotzbouw_ | anyway.. how do I apply .patch files? currently browsing http://seehuhn.de/comp/powerbook/index#fnkey-patch |
| 11:46.25 | johill | probably still got it running in screen somewhere? :) |
| 11:46.37 | johill | rotzbouw_: that stuff has been outdated for a long time |
| 11:47.10 | johill | current (2.6.16 and higher) kernels support the fn key |
| 11:47.56 | rotzbouw_ | johill: I only see one tab, so I guess that this is the only active rotzbouw.. :/ |
| 11:48.16 | rotzbouw_ | johill: and how does the fn-key work? Don't see it :/ |
| 11:48.34 | rotzbouw_ | also, alt-3 doesn't work.. |
| 11:54.26 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook/FAQ |
| 12:00.41 | rotzbouw_ | Ugh, this is all sooo chinese to me. thanks though |
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| 12:02.35 | marchino | ciao! |
| 12:03.08 | marchino | i cannot boot linux anymore |
| 12:03.38 | marchino | how have i must lunch ybin from livecd? |
| 12:04.10 | johill | mount your installation, mount /proc and /sys in it and then chroot into it |
| 12:04.17 | johill | rotzbouw_: well, what do you need to know? |
| 12:04.35 | marchino | johill, i did, but ybin fails |
| 12:04.43 | johill | hm |
| 12:05.18 | johill | how can you not boot linux any more anyway? |
| 12:05.27 | johill | can't you hold the option button during boot and then select yaboot? |
| 12:05.28 | marchino | it sais to lanch mkofboot, but it failed |
| 12:05.38 | johill | the linux button it displays? |
| 12:05.41 | johill | or does that even fail |
| 12:05.56 | marchino | johill, i try |
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| 12:09.45 | marchino | johill, dod work |
| 12:09.51 | marchino | didn't work |
| 12:09.56 | johill | what happened? |
| 12:10.05 | rotzbouw_ | hm, johill, currently I'm trying to download the broadcom drivers but terminal tells me there is no git repository.. :/ |
| 12:10.24 | johill | rotzbouw_: just get a recent kernel where it's all included |
| 12:10.33 | marchino | johill, nothing, it load mac |
| 12:10.53 | johill | marchino: then you didn't press the option button properly. |
| 12:11.02 | marchino | option key is that with apple, right? |
| 12:11.05 | johill | no |
| 12:11.13 | johill | with 'alt' and 'option' on it |
| 12:12.25 | marchino | oh |
| 12:12.29 | marchino | reboot |
| 12:12.53 | rotzbouw_ | I'm doing apt-get dist-upgrade everyday.. why would my kernel not be up to date? hmpf |
| 12:13.23 | johill | well if you're using debian kernels install the bcm43xx package |
| 12:13.35 | johill | but the recent 2.6.17-rc2 and higher kernel has a much improved version |
| 12:14.42 | johill | where network-manager and wpa_supplicant work much nicer |
| 12:16.14 | rotzbouw_ | what's the command again to see what kernel is insalled? |
| 12:16.39 | johill | uname -a |
| 12:17.49 | rotzbouw_ | Oh. It's not _that_ recent after all. |
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| 12:18.02 | rotzbouw_ | 2.6.16-1 :/ |
| 12:18.20 | marchino | johill, shows only mac osx |
| 12:18.30 | johill | marchino: hm ok |
| 12:18.51 | marchino | not really ok :| |
| 12:19.07 | johill | odd though, did you ever install yaboot? |
| 12:19.17 | marchino | yes |
| 12:19.50 | johill | then I don't understand why it would want to run mkofboot |
| 12:19.56 | johill | did you have a proper /dev in your chroot? |
| 12:20.10 | johill | i.e. mount --bind /dev /where/ever/you/chroot/to/dev |
| 12:20.18 | marchino | yes, i think |
| 12:21.04 | marchino | johill, i use udev |
| 12:21.12 | marchino | maybe that the problem? |
| 12:21.20 | johill | not if you mount --bind it in |
| 12:21.29 | marchino | i will retry |
| 12:33.13 | rotzbouw_ | Hm, where do I find the 2.6.17-rc3 kernel? |
| 12:33.43 | Corsac | on kernel.org ? |
| 12:33.48 | rotzbouw_ | I'm trying to follow the instructions of the page you mentioned on your moinmoin but I already fail at downloading the source for the kernel, johill |
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| 12:38.49 | marchino | johill, Failed to initialize HFS working directories: No such file or directory |
| 12:38.49 | marchino | mkofboot: HFS filesystem creation failed! |
| 12:39.03 | johill | thing is -- I don't see why it should wnat to create HFS |
| 12:39.09 | johill | because the boot partition should be there |
| 12:40.18 | Corsac | johill: ! |
| 12:40.29 | Corsac | johill: your brother (and you) are the creators of experience theme ?! |
| 12:41.02 | johill | no, only benzea, I have nothing to do with it |
| 12:41.11 | Corsac | This is the eXperience GTK-2 engine. Created by Benjamin Berg |
| 12:41.11 | Corsac | <benjamin@sipsolutions.net> with some help of his brother Johannes. |
| 12:41.16 | johill | hm |
| 12:41.19 | johill | heh didn't know about that ;) |
| 12:41.22 | Corsac | eheh |
| 12:41.31 | Corsac | i wanted to make a debian package |
| 12:41.34 | benzea | johill helped with the bison stuff :) |
| 12:41.39 | johill | ah that |
| 12:41.42 | Corsac | but it seems that your benzea has done it |
| 12:41.47 | Corsac | s/your// |
| 12:42.06 | Corsac | apt: ! |
| 12:42.15 | apt | it has been said that ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 12:42.30 | Corsac | apt: you're really smart |
| 12:42.55 | marchino | johill, wath can i do? |
| 12:43.03 | benzea | Corsac, you can get the source package from http://benjamin.sipsolutions.net/debian/stable |
| 12:43.03 | Corsac | benzea: why your packages aren't in the archive ? |
| 12:43.12 | johill | marchino: no idea really |
| 12:43.13 | Corsac | benzea: yep i've seen, thanks :) |
| 12:43.16 | benzea | didn't get them sponsored |
| 12:43.24 | benzea | and never tried really ... |
| 12:43.27 | Corsac | can't your brother help you ? |
| 12:43.32 | marchino | johill, thanks anyway |
| 12:43.55 | johill | marchino: you could try booting the cd kernel with root= your installation |
| 12:44.34 | marchino | johill, yes, i didn't think about that |
| 12:44.58 | benzea | Corsac, johill? he isn't a dd either |
| 12:45.13 | Corsac | ah ? thought |
| 12:48.04 | johill | nope I'm not, never bothered to even try |
| 12:48.11 | johill | besides, I'm better suited for upstream ;) |
| 12:49.19 | rotzbouw_ | I can't find the kernel-source-2-6-17-rc3 anywhere :( just a snapshot on kernel.org but I don't know what that is. |
| 12:49.47 | johill | rotzbouw_: there isn't any package for it |
| 12:49.57 | johill | see my FAQ, I just linked the 'custom debian kernel how-to' |
| 12:50.34 | Corsac | rotzbouw_: get kernel 2.6.16 and patch-2.6.17-rc3, first |
| 12:54.21 | rotzbouw_ | Okay, downloading the 2.6.16 (49mb), but I don't find the patch.. it only reaches till 2.6.16 as well.. |
| 12:54.53 | Corsac | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.17-rc3.bz2 |
| 12:57.40 | Corsac | benzea: are you interested by a powerpc/unstable deb ? |
| 12:58.50 | benzea | Corsac, not really, I can easily build one myself :) |
| 12:59.21 | benzea | hmm, though the one I have installed is outdated, so why not ;) |
| 12:59.39 | Corsac | it was for your repository :) |
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| 13:00.49 | Corsac | http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/gtk2-engines-experience_0.10.3-1_powerpc.deb |
| 13:00.53 | ubuntu | johill, kernel panic |
| 13:00.53 | benzea | hmm, yeah, I should add powerpc packages |
| 13:00.57 | Corsac | (built on sid) |
| 13:01.15 | ubuntu | doesn't read the root partition |
| 13:01.17 | ubuntu | ::( |
| 13:02.04 | johill | hm |
| 13:02.38 | benzea | a stable build would be usefull :) |
| 13:02.43 | marchino | but i can mount it here |
| 13:06.15 | Corsac | i don't have a stable/ppc box nor a pbuilder stable chroot :/ |
| 13:06.52 | benzea | I guess I'll set up a pbuilder stable chroot ... |
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| 13:20.57 | rotzbouw_ | Corsac: what do I do now with the linux-2.6.16.tar.gz? |
| 13:21.22 | rotzbouw_ | the page referred to by johill only mentions the kernel-source files.. |
| 13:22.01 | Corsac | don't know about johill's page, but in both case you need to untar the source package, then patch it using patch-2.6.17 |
| 13:22.39 | rotzbouw_ | linux-... isn't a source package, is it? :( |
| 13:25.27 | Corsac | it is |
| 13:25.31 | Corsac | well |
| 13:25.34 | Corsac | it is the source tarball |
| 13:25.37 | Corsac | the original one |
| 13:25.57 | Corsac | i guess johill speaks about the debian source package, which may be patched with other patches already |
| 13:26.19 | johill | usually I talk about upstream sources |
| 13:26.23 | johill | I always build my own |
| 13:27.23 | johill | bbl, tea |
| 13:30.58 | rotzbouw_ | Now that I need it, I don't find the instruction to patch the kernel.. grml. |
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| 13:34.12 | Corsac | rotzbouw_: for an easy build, just copy your actual config (cp /boot/config-... .config) then fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 13:34.28 | Corsac | that should produce a debian package with your kernel |
| 13:36.18 | rotzbouw_ | but what do I do with those files I just downloaded? I don't understand anything :( |
| 13:36.37 | rotzbouw_ | There has to be something done with those two files :/ |
| 13:36.43 | Corsac | hem |
| 13:36.56 | Corsac | i guess your kind of new to this ? |
| 13:37.09 | Corsac | i didn't follow everything, but, do you really need a 2.6.17-rc3 kernel ? |
| 13:37.32 | marchino | some one has tryed grub for ppc? |
| 13:38.12 | rotzbouw_ | I am very new to this. I've been told that the most recent kernel fixes hardware issues.. and as I have a very new computer, it's most likely that the newer the kernel, the less the problems involved with wireless, sound, etc... |
| 13:41.58 | Corsac | what computer is it ? |
| 13:43.01 | rotzbouw_ | powerbook 5.8 (october '05-ish) |
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| 14:30.14 | marchino | nothing, i cannot boot |
| 14:30.32 | marchino | i pass this string: |
| 14:31.25 | marchino | hd:2,/boot/vmlinux initrd=/boot/initrd.img root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 14:31.35 | marchino | but i have a kernel panic |
| 14:32.43 | marchino | VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:33.06 | marchino | and this is a standard debian kernel |
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| 14:59.16 | marchino | i did it, i boot linux!!! |
| 14:59.18 | marchino | ::) |
| 14:59.28 | johill | :) |
| 14:59.55 | marchino | johill: ubuntu livecd |
| 14:59.57 | marchino | mode rescue |
| 15:00.01 | johill | heh ok |
| 15:00.28 | marchino | mkofboot works in rescue mode and doesn't in normal |
| 15:00.35 | johill | heh |
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| 15:09.27 | justinm | sounds like marchino just wasn't using the right initrd |
| 15:09.39 | justinm | I'd help these guys but they leave right after asking their questions |
| 15:10.00 | johill | he's had the problem for the whole day almost |
| 15:10.04 | johill | and now finally got it working |
| 15:11.15 | justinm | it took me a while to figure out that if I upgrade the kernel I need to copy the files to my mac partition heh |
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| 15:33.53 | risc- | Is anyone here able to use the bcm4306 on Debian/PPC? |
| 15:34.05 | Corsac | yep |
| 15:34.16 | risc- | even WEP protected networks? |
| 15:34.28 | Corsac | don't know about wep (don't use it) but it should work |
| 15:34.41 | risc- | What kernel? |
| 15:35.14 | Corsac | 2.6.17-rc2 here |
| 15:35.20 | risc- | mhm |
| 15:36.05 | risc- | I can detect wireless networks, but when I config it using iwconfig and then try to use dhcpcd on it the card goes down |
| 15:37.11 | risc- | the network is WEP protected.. |
| 15:39.05 | johill | I use wep every day at uni |
| 15:39.51 | risc- | with the bcm4306? |
| 15:40.05 | Corsac | does someone know how to disable hardware tcp/ip checksum on a mac ? |
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| 15:40.52 | johill | I didn't even know it did that ;) depends on the hardware, no? |
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| 15:51.44 | Corsac | trouc |
| 15:51.55 | Corsac | s/o// |
| 15:51.56 | Corsac | hmh |
| 15:55.22 | risc- | Corsac or johill, can you take a look at http://users.pandora.be/wout/bcm4306 ? Maybe you see something wrong :s |
| 15:55.38 | johill | $ sudo iwconfig eth2 rate 54M |
| 15:55.40 | johill | is pretty stupid |
| 15:55.58 | johill | 'restricted' is ignored, so if your net requires that you're out of luck |
| 15:56.38 | risc- | johill: if I don't add restricted but only key WEPKEY i get Access Point: Invalid in iwconfig |
| 15:56.46 | johill | RX bytes:4380 (4.2 KiB) is weird, how should stuff come in if it isn't associated |
| 15:56.56 | risc- | and what's wrong with the rate? |
| 15:57.22 | johill | well it's stupid to try anything at the highest possible rate if it doesn't work properly, or are you sitting <1m from your ap? ;) |
| 15:57.31 | risc- | I am |
| 15:57.32 | risc- | :) |
| 15:57.38 | risc- | about 50cm away from it :p |
| 15:57.43 | risc- | 11M gives me the same result though |
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| 16:01.51 | risc- | any idea? |
| 16:03.52 | johill | enable softmac debugging and/or run iwevent while trying |
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| 16:33.29 | gecko2 | device-tree: property "l2-cache" name conflicts with node in /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0 <-- why does that happens and how can i fix that? |
| 16:33.39 | gecko2 | PowerMac motherboard: PowerMac G4 PCI Graphics |
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| 17:09.20 | simonrvn | sounds like a bug |
| 17:10.17 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: Format->Character |
| 17:10.30 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: and you aren't a master of patience, are you? ;) |
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| 17:10.57 | Q-FUNK | I am, actually, but deadlines impose other time metrics. |
| 17:11.41 | gecko2 | ahh, _rene_ |
| 17:11.47 | johill | anyone have an older pmu based machine? |
| 17:12.02 | johill | do we get an interrupt there when the lid status changes? |
| 17:12.08 | gecko2 | du you know more about the name conflicts problem? |
| 17:12.12 | gecko2 | do* |
| 17:12.37 | _rene_ | no |
| 17:23.43 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: not a usefull method. it tries to change the fonts of the whole document as well |
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| 17:44.51 | risc- | anyone else having problems with bcm4306 or who can help me out with this: http://users.pandora.be/wout/bcm4306 ? |
| 17:58.03 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: even if you only change the language box? |
| 17:58.20 | _rene_ | in any case, that's the only way for a already existing docoment. |
| 17:58.34 | _rene_ | for new documents, you can set the default in the options |
| 17:59.15 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: the problem seems to be that styles adopt the default language of a document and save it. this makes tmeplates also set a default language. |
| 18:24.10 | johill | risc-: have you tried #bcm-users? |
| 18:25.25 | risc- | nopz |
| 18:27.13 | johill | sixxs staff is being stupid |
| 18:27.28 | johill | they insist I have a routing problem when I demonstrate that routing works fine by sending icmp packets |
| 18:27.32 | johill | just *large* icmp packets fail |
| 18:27.33 | johill | bah |
| 18:32.09 | simonrvn | well, you're going through cable or dsl with the overhead of that, plus the overhead of ipv6, so you're mtu is something rediculous like 1280 or something. their interface should be changing to accomodate yours since that's how the protocol works |
| 18:33.19 | johill | that's fine |
| 18:33.24 | johill | I can't ping > 200 bytes |
| 18:33.57 | johill | so "large" is anything like above 234 bytes or so including all headers |
| 18:34.59 | johill | thing is, on the tunnel interface itself it works, just not behind my router on the subnet. but small packets also work behind the router |
| 18:35.21 | johill | I even proved to them that the large packets are going out by dumping on the outgoing ipv4 interface where it tunnels on |
| 18:38.10 | johill | but they insist that my routing is broken |
| 18:40.50 | simonrvn | well, it's either you, or your isp. |
| 18:42.17 | johill | my ipv4 isp. that'd be odd |
| 18:42.25 | johill | why would they filter ip-in-ip packets on size? |
| 18:52.52 | johill | no wait |
| 18:52.53 | johill | they don't |
| 18:52.58 | johill | since the tunnel itself is working fine! |
| 18:53.06 | johill | I can ping with >200 bytes from my router, just not from my subnet |
| 18:53.14 | johill | but my routing tables are find, since I can ping with <200 bytes from my subnet |
| 18:53.15 | johill | see? |
| 18:53.29 | johill | I can't see how it can *possibly* be a problem on my end |
| 19:07.21 | johill | hell. incoming large packets even work |
| 19:14.30 | johill | risc-: 19:39:04.186364 eth2 Custom driver event:associating failed |
| 19:14.32 | johill | duh |
| 19:14.41 | johill | compile softmac with debugging and look in dmesg why it fails |
| 19:14.43 | johill | your AP is rejecting you |
| 19:14.51 | johill | probably based on your mac address or something stupid |
| 19:19.23 | johill | I'll shut up now, in half an hour no one else has said anything ;) |
| 19:19.23 | risc- | johill: strange thing is that It gave me the same result trying w/o WEP encryption |
| 19:19.37 | johill | risc-: at that point wep crypto doesn't even come into play yet |
| 19:19.40 | johill | association etc is unencrypted |
| 19:20.02 | risc- | ic |
| 19:20.22 | risc- | I'll try debugging option |
| 19:21.57 | risc- | :win 1 |
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| 19:29.44 | risc- | SoftMAC: associating failed (reason: 0x13)! |
| 19:30.17 | johill | WLAN_REASON_INVALID_PAIRWISE_CIPHER |
| 19:30.20 | johill | are you sure your network is wep? |
| 19:30.22 | johill | sounds like wpa |
| 19:30.31 | johill | oh |
| 19:30.34 | johill | it could also be WLAN_STATUS_ASSOC_DENIED_NOSHORTPREAMBLE |
| 19:30.53 | johill | in that case. icks. I thought softmac announces that, not sure |
| 19:32.15 | risc- | it is wep |
| 19:32.29 | risc- | 64bit |
| 19:32.31 | johill | then it's probably short preambles |
| 19:32.35 | johill | suckers |
| 19:32.41 | johill | can you turn that off on the ap? |
| 19:32.55 | johill | don't feel like wading all the softmac code right now, been feeling dizzy for the whole day |
| 19:33.28 | risc- | aight, according to google the key is wrong |
| 19:33.34 | risc- | retry |
| 19:33.43 | johill | no |
| 19:35.01 | simonrvn | johill: yeh; well, the person at sixxs either full of it, or your isp's routing tables are fucked. something's not right though. why you would see it as ok, and they wouldn't. |
| 19:35.20 | johill | simonrvn: thing is, I even see large packets coming in to my computer when I ping from outside |
| 19:35.29 | johill | then I see large packtes going out, but never get the reply on the other side |
| 19:35.40 | johill | but if my ISP's routing tables were fucked, then it wouldn't work from the router itself |
| 19:35.47 | simonrvn | you filtering things? |
| 19:35.49 | johill | where it *does* work, just a different ipv6 address |
| 19:35.51 | johill | not at all |
| 19:36.21 | johill | iow, I'm convinced the sixxs person is full of it or just wants to tell me to fuck off in a different way |
| 19:38.27 | risc- | mhm |
| 19:39.00 | risc- | johill: what does WLAN_REASON_INVALID_PAIRWISE_CIPHER mean? |
| 19:39.09 | johill | it's a wpa error |
| 19:39.11 | johill | ignore it |
| 19:40.04 | risc- | but the encryption is wep :s |
| 19:40.06 | risc- | mhm |
| 19:40.47 | johill | thats' why I'm saying you should ignore it |
| 19:41.18 | risc- | seems like it's my AP |
| 19:41.30 | johill | well, probably a softmac bug |
| 19:41.35 | risc- | I also have a WRT54G like on the softmac-dev mailing list |
| 19:41.42 | johill | in that it doesn't advertise properly understanding short preambles |
| 19:45.17 | risc- | I'll give it up |
| 19:45.25 | johill | is yours a stock openwrt? |
| 19:45.32 | johill | eh wrt54g? |
| 19:45.32 | risc- | nop |
| 19:45.36 | risc- | other firmware |
| 19:45.37 | johill | or are you running openwrt or something? |
| 19:45.43 | johill | what firmware, original? |
| 19:45.44 | risc- | ehm what was the name... |
| 19:45.46 | risc- | not original |
| 19:45.50 | johill | sveasoft junk? ;) |
| 19:45.58 | risc- | nah |
| 19:46.00 | risc- | something else |
| 19:46.03 | johill | freifunk? |
| 19:46.10 | risc- | other possibilities? |
| 19:46.14 | johill | don't remember any more |
| 19:46.29 | johill | can you ssh in? |
| 19:46.31 | risc- | it's in bridge mode atm so I can't check without disconnect |
| 19:46.47 | risc- | one sec |
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| 19:48.45 | risc- | using Satori-4.0 |
| 19:49.03 | johill | interesting, never herad of that |
| 19:49.06 | johill | what gmode is it in? |
| 19:49.17 | johill | if you can ssh in, try entering 'wl gmode' |
| 19:49.49 | risc- | http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=72 |
| 19:49.58 | risc- | seems like ssh isn't on |
| 19:50.11 | johill | oh so it is sveasoft after all |
| 19:50.30 | johill | SSHD with public key or password login |
| 19:50.47 | risc- | yeah but it's off |
| 19:50.55 | risc- | I can't get in |
| 19:51.12 | johill | heh ok |
| 19:51.17 | risc- | there |
| 19:51.49 | risc- | it's on |
| 19:51.49 | risc- | lemme check :p |
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| 19:56.00 | risc- | can't get in for some reason |
| 19:59.30 | risc- | johill: any idea? |
| 19:59.53 | johill | no, I don't use their firmware, I use plain openwrt |
| 20:00.45 | risc- | and that works? |
| 20:01.43 | johill | yes, very well too |
| 20:02.54 | johill | risc-: I can get you a patch for softmac |
| 20:03.46 | risc- | I'll try the openwrt firmware |
| 20:03.51 | johill | no wait |
| 20:03.56 | risc- | k |
| 20:04.04 | johill | please let's figure out if this patch can fix it first, give me a bit |
| 20:04.25 | risc- | ok, np |
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| 20:15.51 | risc- | wb |
| 20:16.22 | johill | heh sorry |
| 20:16.27 | johill | risc-: in ieee80211softmac_io.c |
| 20:16.35 | johill | go to line 204 or so |
| 20:16.39 | johill | /* Fill in Listen Interval (?) */ |
| 20:16.40 | johill | and add |
| 20:16.55 | johill | (*pkt)->capability |= cpu_to_le16(WLAN_CAPABILITY_SHORT_PREAMBLE); |
| 20:17.01 | johill | before it or so |
| 20:19.31 | risc- | before: (*pkt)->listen_interval = cpu_to_le16(10); ? |
| 20:19.47 | johill | doesn't matter |
| 20:20.17 | risc- | k |
| 20:20.17 | risc- | done |
| 20:20.24 | risc- | that's all? |
| 20:20.28 | johill | rebuild the modules and try again :) |
| 20:21.22 | risc- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.22 | risc- | net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211softmac_io.c:465: warning: ‘ieee80211softmac_send_ctl_frame’ defined but not used |
| 20:21.25 | risc- | normal? |
| 20:21.36 | johill | yes |
| 20:22.50 | risc- | k, it's in the kernel so, *reboot* |
| 20:23.02 | johill | heh, why'd you do that :) |
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| 20:26.57 | risc- | you're quite good johill, thanks a lot for the help ;) |
| 20:27.15 | johill | well, I wrote most of softmac after all ;) |
| 20:27.19 | johill | does it work? |
| 20:27.21 | risc- | yupz |
| 20:27.29 | risc- | what was the problem now? |
| 20:27.43 | johill | good. we'll have the patches, hopefully for 2.6.17 still |
| 20:27.55 | johill | well, hard to explain if you don't know much about 802.11 |
| 20:28.10 | johill | we're not setting that bit but the AP refuses to let you in if you cannot support that capability |
| 20:28.15 | johill | bcm43xx does, but we didn't advertise it |
| 20:28.26 | risc- | ic |
| 20:29.01 | risc- | I'm glad it finally works :P |
| 20:29.38 | risc- | I'll give that openwrt a try anyways, looks good |
| 20:29.51 | risc- | s/win 8 |
| 20:29.58 | risc- | ignore |
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| 20:31.45 | risc- | btw, you don't happen to have used a jdk on linuxppc? |
| 20:32.00 | rotzbouw1 | Hi |
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| 20:32.10 | johill | no |
| 20:32.16 | rotzbouw1 | patching kernel requires reboot? |
| 20:32.25 | risc- | rotzbouw1: yes |
| 20:32.32 | risc- | if you want it to use the patched kernel, yes |
| 20:32.43 | johill | rotzbouw1: unless it's just in a module... |
| 20:33.07 | rotzbouw1 | mh, if debian crashes when I want to reboot, will my kernel still be patched? |
| 20:33.30 | risc- | ? |
| 20:33.32 | johill | rotzbouw1: if you install it and sync, yes |
| 20:33.51 | johill | that's like saying: if I install a new kernel and then turn off the machine, will it be installed? ;) |
| 20:34.36 | rotzbouw1 | well, some changes I do are reset each time I restart with the usual crash involved.. that's why I ask |
| 20:34.46 | rotzbouw1 | what did you mean by "sync"? |
| 20:35.43 | johill | make sure writes hit the hd |
| 20:35.48 | johill | enter 'sync' on a command line |
| 20:35.49 | risc- | lol |
| 20:36.12 | rotzbouw1 | that didn't take long, hope that works. |
| 20:36.13 | johill | bah I need to fix up my powerbook patches |
| 20:36.24 | risc- | what patches? |
| 20:36.31 | johill | power button event thingie and some others |
| 20:36.58 | rotzbouw1 | I wonder if this debian will ever boot again.. bbl :) |
| 20:37.03 | risc- | doesn't that work out of the box with 2.6.17-rc3? |
| 20:37.09 | johill | of course it does, I just want to fix it up |
| 20:40.20 | risc- | When I read "fix" I assume something like making it work |
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| 20:40.55 | rotzbouw | Hm. uname -a got me the same kernel as always :( |
| 20:40.55 | johill | rotzbouw: you probably didn't install it properly then |
| 20:41.04 | risc- | rotzbouw: what patch? |
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| 20:41.28 | rotzbouw | I guess so. Or, I didn't install it at all. what do you have to usually do after you do the patch thing? |
| 20:41.50 | risc- | test if the patch you aplied works? |
| 20:41.55 | risc- | notice the difference? |
| 20:42.48 | rotzbouw | Well, neither the logging out, nor the starting up caused my computer to crash. that's a difference. |
| 20:43.43 | risc- | And, the other times, it crashed all the time? |
| 20:44.16 | rotzbouw | that's what I did: I downloaded linux-2.6.16.tar.gz and put it together with patch-2.6.17-rc3.bz2 in a directory... then I did the patch -p1 thing. then restarted. What have I forgot? :) |
| 20:44.31 | risc- | compile lol |
| 20:44.31 | risc- | :) |
| 20:44.33 | rotzbouw | risc-: yes, logging out crashed like 99% of all times. |
| 20:44.44 | risc- | nothing changed rotzbouw |
| 20:44.51 | rotzbouw | hm, placebo then :D |
| 20:44.56 | risc- | :P |
| 20:45.52 | risc- | apply the patch, then make menuconfig, make, make modules_install, mv vmlinux to the /boot partition, update yaboot.conf if nessecary (+ ybin -v), reboot |
| 20:46.16 | rotzbouw | how do I apply it? |
| 20:46.46 | risc- | patch -p1 thing |
| 20:46.59 | rotzbouw | okay, I've done that. |
| 20:47.13 | rotzbouw | move on to menuconfig. I read something about xconfig.. you prefer menuconfig? |
| 20:47.19 | johill | xconfig sucks ;) |
| 20:47.25 | johill | you can still use it though |
| 20:47.36 | johill | you could also try to see if you have /proc/config or /proc/config.gz |
| 20:47.47 | risc- | that'd be safer :) |
| 20:47.48 | johill | if so you can put that (ungzip'ed if necessary) into .config and make oldconfig |
| 20:50.07 | rotzbouw | where's /proc/? |
| 20:50.14 | risc- | johill: do you also have such a poor quality sound on your powerbook? |
| 20:50.18 | risc- | rotzbouw: in /proc ? |
| 20:50.27 | risc- | it's a directory on your system |
| 20:50.37 | johill | risc-: what powerbook do you have again? |
| 20:50.43 | risc- | 5,6 |
| 20:50.48 | risc- | 15" 1.67Ghz |
| 20:50.50 | johill | what are your mixers set to? pcm and master? |
| 20:50.55 | johill | same one I have then |
| 20:51.07 | risc- | ehm I think lemme check |
| 20:51.22 | risc- | full pcm |
| 20:51.31 | risc- | master controlled by pbbuttonsd |
| 20:51.32 | risc- | .. |
| 20:52.52 | rotzbouw | I don't have /proc/config(.gz). menuconfig will do this time then. |
| 20:53.11 | johill | risc-: turn pcm to 70% |
| 20:53.12 | risc- | rotzbouw: Are you sure you need the patch? |
| 20:53.21 | johill | risc-: you can't turn master up, that results in crappy sound ;) |
| 20:53.25 | johill | eh sorry pcm |
| 20:53.33 | risc- | same for pcm1? |
| 20:53.33 | johill | then turn master up, it still goes loud enough for sure |
| 20:53.39 | johill | pcm1 doesn't matter *at all* |
| 20:53.43 | johill | you can't even use it |
| 20:53.45 | risc- | k :) |
| 20:53.48 | risc- | let's test |
| 20:53.49 | johill | the fact that it's shown tehre is bogus |
| 20:54.24 | risc- | ah it's better indeed :) |
| 20:54.31 | risc- | thx |
| 20:54.36 | johill | np will add to faq |
| 20:54.51 | johill | wait, it's even on my powerbook page already ;) |
| 20:54.54 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook |
| 20:54.59 | assassin | hehe... this is awesome http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/ |
| 20:55.00 | risc- | k, thx :p |
| 20:56.07 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/PowerBook/FAQ#head-fd51d2306d6fba98ffd765287012925d4f313fdc |
| 20:56.09 | johill | :) |
| 20:56.16 | risc- | might still be useful since you have the same machine |
| 20:56.22 | risc- | bookmarked |
| 20:56.42 | johill | yes for sure |
| 20:56.55 | johill | well, no, maybe you want to hack more than I do ;) |
| 20:57.33 | johill | -config BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC_BLINK |
| 20:57.40 | johill | +config ADB_PMU_LED |
| 20:57.41 | johill | :) |
| 20:57.47 | risc- | hu :p |
| 20:58.01 | johill | 5 files changed, 115 insertions(+), 132 deletions(-) |
| 20:58.10 | johill | yay, code removal even though my code is much more flexible :) |
| 20:58.20 | risc- | :P |
| 21:02.53 | johill | oh I forgot to do suspend. oh well |
| 21:03.00 | johill | can't do that in 17 lines of code ;) |
| 21:05.06 | risc- | :P |
| 21:05.19 | risc- | so you just rewrite the kernel code? |
| 21:05.28 | johill | make it more flexible |
| 21:06.08 | risc- | in what way? |
| 21:06.57 | johill | well, with my patch *anything* can trigger the led |
| 21:06.59 | johill | not just the hd or nothing |
| 21:07.15 | rotzbouw | Do I want the MAC addon? |
| 21:07.23 | johill | rotzbouw: yes, of course |
| 21:07.28 | risc- | but how can you notice what triggered the led? |
| 21:07.36 | rotzbouw | it wasn't selected :/ |
| 21:07.40 | johill | risc-: led kernel support |
| 21:07.48 | rotzbouw | as module or included? |
| 21:07.59 | johill | rotzbouw: probably module so you can easily do patches should need be |
| 21:09.06 | risc- | hmm and what other great use can the led have? |
| 21:09.12 | johill | risc-: dunno :) |
| 21:09.29 | risc- | but it's "possible" ;) |
| 21:09.49 | johill | well using the led subsystem makes more sense |
| 21:10.02 | johill | it's more generic |
| 21:10.08 | johill | also, you could use it as a wireless led then |
| 21:10.14 | risc- | true |
| 21:19.08 | johill | 5 files changed, 132 insertions(+), 132 deletions(-) |
| 21:19.09 | johill | hahaha |
| 21:19.16 | johill | with sleep handling that is |
| 21:19.32 | risc- | heh |
| 21:19.45 | risc- | :) just keep coding :p |
| 21:20.53 | johill | ok patch sent out |
| 21:25.28 | johill | now on to the next one |
| 21:33.36 | rotzbouw | wow, the fan of the cpu has never been so loud |
| 21:34.46 | rotzbouw | how long does a compile usually take? |
| 21:34.46 | pahartik | johill: I stopped "pbbuttonsd" and started "gnome-power-manager", but it does not touch brightness of background light... no idea if it actually does anything, as I do not want to try suspend-to-RAM right now |
| 21:35.36 | johill | pahartik: it changes it for me with the brightness up/down keys |
| 21:36.22 | johill | but maybe that needs my endian-ness fixes for hal |
| 21:36.24 | johill | I don't remember |
| 21:38.13 | pahartik | johill: brightness changes by using keyboard even if "gnome-power-manager" is not running |
| 21:38.19 | johill | huh |
| 21:38.20 | johill | interesting |
| 21:40.18 | rotzbouw | compiling sucks :( it makes the cpu sweat |
| 21:43.02 | risc- | time to sleep, bye |
| 21:48.38 | rotzbouw | umm.. this doesn't take hours, does it? |
| 21:53.51 | johill | if you configured it correctly, no |
| 21:54.01 | johill | do you run anything that turns up your cpu to full speed? |
| 21:54.30 | rotzbouw | no, but compiling does turn it up to full speed |
| 21:54.52 | rotzbouw | only screen with irssi and compiling tabs |
| 21:55.05 | johill | ok |
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| 22:27.42 | rotzbouw | hooray |
| 22:28.02 | rotzbouw | after compiling, what? can I reboot now? |
| 22:28.07 | johill | no |
| 22:28.18 | johill | read the debian kernel how-to and make a package |
| 22:28.20 | johill | then install that |
| 22:28.26 | johill | you want something like |
| 22:28.36 | johill | apt-get install kernel-package fakeroot |
| 22:28.48 | johill | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image |
| 22:30.50 | rotzbouw | what's --rootcmd? |
| 22:31.16 | johill | well you're hopefully not building the kernel as root |
| 22:31.30 | johill | so fakeroot fakes a root environment for building the debian package correctly |
| 22:32.22 | rotzbouw | kk |
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| 22:36.09 | rotzbouw | after that? :) |
| 22:36.14 | johill | install the package |
| 22:36.19 | rotzbouw | aah |
| 22:36.21 | johill | as root, dpkg -i ../linux-image... |
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