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| 00:11.45 | simonrvn | ask the maintainer |
| 00:14.02 | kpanic | simonrvn, ok, they are unofficial packages, not noticed |
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| 09:02.59 | Corsac | hmhm, i have a weird keymap (i guess) problems, on some apps (zim, dia, new anjuta), typing backspace ends up with a delete |
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| 09:30.20 | cf1 | hi all, I have a powerbook 12" and i would use pbbuttonsd to switch my ppc on suspend to disk but it doesnt work , what can i do ? |
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| 10:04.41 | Corsac | is there anybody on a powerbook (preferably a french 5,6 but..) |
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| 13:30.37 | Corsac | johill: \o/ |
| 13:30.54 | Corsac | johill: i noticed something with snd-aoa (maybe you're already aware) |
| 13:31.09 | Corsac | alsa dmix doesnt work anymore |
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| 13:44.19 | johill | Corsac: alsa config file problem |
| 13:44.33 | johill | someone on debian-powerpc posted a config file that makes it work again |
| 13:44.48 | Corsac | ok |
| 13:48.53 | johill | btw, you definitely want to upgrade, I fixed a bunch of bugs with non-16-bit audio |
| 13:50.38 | johill | (which explains the garbled sound on some movie files) |
| 13:50.45 | pahartik | johill: does on-board sound have 24-bit DAC? |
| 13:50.51 | johill | yes |
| 13:51.04 | johill | at least the tas and onyx codecs can do 24 bit |
| 13:51.35 | johill | brb |
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| 13:52.55 | Corsac | johill: hem, how should I update the rep ? cg-update <yoururl> ? |
| 13:53.04 | johill | no just cg-update |
| 13:53.14 | johill | no parameters needed |
| 13:53.37 | Corsac | cg-update: where to update from? |
| 13:53.39 | Corsac | mpf. |
| 13:53.43 | johill | oh |
| 13:53.47 | johill | you used git to clone it? |
| 13:54.01 | Corsac | yes |
| 13:54.03 | johill | mh, not sure about that, try git-update or s |
| 13:54.14 | johill | oh that doesn't exist |
| 13:54.15 | johill | sec |
| 13:54.33 | johill | git-pull? |
| 13:54.47 | Corsac | seems to work |
| 13:55.43 | johill | good |
| 13:55.55 | johill | pahartik: yes, the dac and adc in tas and onyx is 24-bit |
| 13:56.13 | johill | I actually always program them to do 24 bit and then ignore the lower 8 bits in 16-bit mode ;) |
| 13:56.29 | pahartik | johill: that is good |
| 13:56.32 | johill | didn't see the point in reprogramming it all the time |
| 13:56.49 | Corsac | brb |
| 13:57.53 | johill | in alsa, I actually announce 32 bit though |
| 13:58.00 | johill | because the 24 bit are top-aligned |
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| 13:58.06 | pahartik | johill: using 8 bits less per sample would cause less load on data bus... |
| 13:58.13 | johill | so the lower 8 bits always end up 0 when recording or ignored when playing |
| 13:58.34 | johill | pahartik: no, the bus is i2s and you have to drive it at the same speed anyway, or are you thinking of the memory (dma) bus? |
| 13:58.57 | johill | [actually, there's a possibility of driving the i2s bus in 32x mode which would suffice for 16-bit audio, but that's even more complicated] |
| 13:59.10 | johill | [and only works for tas, not onyx] |
| 13:59.55 | pahartik | johill: data access on "i2s" is always aligned to 64 or 32 bits? |
| 14:00.15 | johill | well basically the i2s bus works in 2 modes |
| 14:00.20 | johill | either 64x or 32x |
| 14:00.30 | johill | in 64x mode you have 64 clocks per sample |
| 14:00.44 | johill | and you can then transfer up to 64 bits, if you want only 24 they're aligned to those and the rest is 0 |
| 14:01.04 | johill | so what I'm doing right now is always using the 64x mode even if the user just gave me 16 bit |
| 14:01.21 | johill | so over the i2s bus I'm actually transferring 32-bit samples (per channel) where only the top 24 or the top 16 bit are filled in |
| 14:01.43 | pahartik | johill: I see... |
| 14:01.57 | johill | do you think using the 32x mode if possible would be an advantage? |
| 14:02.11 | johill | I can't slow down the clocks anyway because the chip needs a 256x clock for operation |
| 14:02.39 | pahartik | johill: probably not |
| 14:03.02 | johill | as for dma, the 16-bit mode only transfers 16 bits per sample and channel |
| 14:03.06 | johill | and the 24 bit mode transfers 32 bits per sample and channel |
| 14:03.25 | johill | (the dma controller seems to need this alignment) |
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| 14:07.07 | johill | Q-FUNK: why isn't snd-aoa noted on your ppc sound page? ;) |
| 14:07.33 | Q-FUNK | because it's not yet in the kernel |
| 14:07.46 | johill | heh |
| 14:08.12 | Corsac | johill: in which thread is the alsa config thing ? |
| 14:08.17 | Corsac | the first one or the reent one ? |
| 14:08.18 | Corsac | recent* |
| 14:08.19 | johill | Corsac: the recent one |
| 14:08.36 | Q-FUNK | and ebcause it doesn't yet cover G3 stuff |
| 14:08.54 | johill | but it's also the only way to properly get sound on new machines |
| 14:09.04 | johill | anyway, I don't much care |
| 14:09.15 | johill | I hope someone will add the G3 stuff, I don't have any hardware for that |
| 14:09.35 | Q-FUNK | bull |
| 14:09.52 | johill | ? |
| 14:10.02 | Q-FUNK | snd-powermac already covered most of the recent sutff fairly well. it's the G3 stuff that was never properly done even in OSS |
| 14:10.22 | johill | snd-powermac is a joke on recent hw |
| 14:10.34 | johill | especially the onyx based machines |
| 14:10.42 | johill | but also the tas based machines, it can't do shit |
| 14:11.16 | Q-FUNK | a joke it might have been, but it did something. here, on Burgundy, hardly anythign works the way it should |
| 14:11.57 | johill | if someone would point me to hardware docs or something about that stuff, I might even be interested in implementing that, but I don't feel like digging through darwin code for hw I don't even own |
| 14:12.40 | Q-FUNK | I beleive I once gave you a link to the Burgundy stuff |
| 14:13.28 | johill | I never saw any technical docs on it, I have seen some capabilities page iirc |
| 14:14.30 | Q-FUNK | didn't Ben say he would help you with that older bus subarch? |
| 14:15.29 | johill | yeah, but knowing ben, that'll take forever unless he decides to play with some of those old machines and snd-powermac throws a fit |
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| 14:20.24 | johill | <johill> yeah, but knowing ben, that'll take forever unless he decides to play with some of those old machines and snd-powermac throws a fit |
| 14:20.43 | johill | eh |
| 14:21.42 | johill | heh |
| 14:22.19 | Corsac | johill: ok, with the .asoundrc it works |
| 14:22.24 | johill | good :) |
| 14:22.28 | Corsac | johill: don't really know why it needs that, though |
| 14:22.35 | johill | because you need to mix in the alsa library |
| 14:22.42 | johill | the hardware can only play one channel at a time |
| 14:22.50 | Corsac | yeah but with snd-powermac it works |
| 14:22.52 | johill | with snd-powermac, it's hardcoded in the config file that ships swith alsa |
| 14:22.55 | Corsac | aaaah |
| 14:22.56 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:24.18 | Corsac | what is this config-file, though ? |
| 14:24.28 | johill | /usr/lib/alsa/... |
| 14:24.36 | johill | no wait |
| 14:25.02 | Corsac | /usr/share/alsa ? |
| 14:25.05 | johill | yeah |
| 14:25.31 | Corsac | ok there is a pcm/dmix.conf |
| 14:25.48 | johill | yeah and it's included into the powermac dependent config file or so |
| 14:25.54 | Corsac | and somewhere I guess there is a powermac.conf or something |
| 14:26.00 | johill | cards/ |
| 14:26.10 | johill | PMac.conf |
| 14:26.29 | Corsac | ok, thanks |
| 14:26.31 | johill | strings [ "dmix:CARD=" $CARD ",FORMAT=S16" ] |
| 14:26.43 | johill | but really, we should probably be doing FORMAT=S32 instead |
| 14:26.47 | johill | well or not |
| 14:26.48 | johill | I dunno |
| 14:26.52 | johill | that gives more dma traffic |
| 14:27.03 | johill | but also allows better sound if you happen to find some files that have 24 bits |
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| 14:28.16 | johill | I dunno, haven't thought about that yet. if you make a config file that works for you I can ship it ;) |
| 14:29.20 | Corsac | hmh, i just use the config file found in the mail |
| 14:29.21 | Corsac | :) |
| 14:29.38 | Corsac | i guess i can make a AOA.conf from those info |
| 14:29.55 | johill | yeah no idea, you'd probably have to call it SoundByLayout.conf or something |
| 14:30.15 | johill | $ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:30.15 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.15 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.16 | johill | no idea |
| 14:30.23 | Corsac | yeah, why "soundbylayout", though ? |
| 14:30.27 | johill | heh |
| 14:30.36 | Corsac | (it's your choice, isnt it ?) |
| 14:30.38 | johill | because the fabric goes by the layout-id :) |
| 14:30.47 | johill | yes, it's my choice |
| 14:31.22 | johill | I'll merge a patch to give it a more sensible name ;) |
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| 14:39.54 | Corsac | does someone has snd-powermac loaded and can give me the contents of /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 14:40.00 | Corsac | s/has/have/ |
| 14:40.06 | Corsac | thanks apt :/ |
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| 14:41.34 | johill | I have it somewhere let me load it |
| 14:41.52 | johill | # cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:41.52 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.52 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.32 | Corsac | ok so the name is AppleObdAudio |
| 14:44.20 | johill | s/AppleObdAudio/AppleOnbdAudio/ |
| 14:44.20 | Corsac | yeah |
| 14:44.22 | Corsac | that work |
| 14:44.29 | johill | :) |
| 14:44.58 | Corsac | just done a sed 's/PMac/aoa/g' PMac.conf > aoa.conf |
| 14:45.04 | Corsac | and added AppleOnbdAudio cards.aoa |
| 14:45.08 | Corsac | in aliases.conf |
| 14:45.11 | johill | heh |
| 14:45.47 | Corsac | (i'll wait for the changes you'll make to the driver before "publishing" this) |
| 14:45.56 | johill | I'm not planning any changes |
| 14:46.02 | johill | that would affect the naming |
| 14:46.11 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:46.58 | Corsac | in the end I guess someone should report a wishlist bug to libasound for file inclusion ? |
| 14:47.37 | johill | probably only after snd-aoa is in the kernel |
| 14:48.38 | Corsac | yes |
| 14:51.02 | johill | I looked into locking, but alsa seems to do locking too, so not sure what we actually need |
| 14:51.21 | Corsac | should I add i2sbus to /etc/modules ? |
| 14:52.05 | johill | no |
| 14:52.12 | johill | it should autoload without any entry at all |
| 14:54.52 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:54.53 | Corsac | thanks |
| 14:55.21 | Corsac | not related in anything, but, can you switch tv out on/off without restarting X ? |
| 14:56.10 | johill | nah, tv out doesn't work at all afaik |
| 14:57.43 | johill | maybe I should also start removing printks ;-> |
| 14:57.46 | Corsac | hem, it worked here, at least |
| 14:58.03 | johill | oh then they maybe fixed that in the later x versions, I'm still at 6.8.2 |
| 14:58.14 | Corsac | it worked too in 6.8.2 iirc |
| 14:58.23 | johill | benzea said that the latest one has a problem switching back to a console, do you see that too? |
| 14:58.34 | johill | hm. I never actually tried but I was told it wouldn't work |
| 14:58.48 | Corsac | hmh, i have a problem when in console and X's not running |
| 14:58.59 | Corsac | (pretty rare because I use gdm) |
| 15:02.34 | Q-FUNK | johill: not 6.9+ |
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| 15:03.32 | johill | ok |
| 15:04.07 | Q-FUNK | ? |
| 15:04.36 | johill | well, I don't use it, so I'll just remember that datapoint |
| 15:04.41 | Q-FUNK | johill: any reaosn for being at 6.8.2 instead of 6.9? |
| 15:04.55 | benzea | if I switch to the console the display gets garbled and the computer is dead |
| 15:05.05 | johill | 6.9 had that radeon screw-up for me |
| 15:06.32 | Q-FUNK | ah. here, 6.9 has an endian (or at least, arch-specific) bug that makes it ignore gpm repeater |
| 15:06.52 | johill | hm |
| 15:07.47 | Q-FUNK | and since 7.0 is essnetially 6.9 repackged, I'm blocking that one too |
| 15:08.12 | johill | yeah |
| 15:08.15 | Q-FUNK | my understanding is that 6.9/7.0 breaks a lot of things on ppc, but that the x task force decided to ignore that. |
| 15:08.33 | johill | well I'm pretty happy with 6.8.2. and 7.0 works very well on my quad |
| 15:08.40 | johill | so it can hardly be breaking a lot on ppc |
| 15:09.08 | Q-FUNK | quad? |
| 15:09.14 | johill | powermac |
| 15:10.51 | Q-FUNK | I dunno. i keep on reading reports form various people on non-x86 for whom 6.9/7.0 broke something. |
| 15:13.26 | Corsac | johill: it works, i can confirm |
| 15:13.32 | johill | interesting |
| 15:13.35 | Corsac | currently using pseudo-xineram |
| 15:13.36 | Corsac | currently using pseudo-xinerama |
| 15:13.50 | johill | are you sure you aren't confusing tv-out and the second vga out? |
| 15:13.54 | Corsac | meh |
| 15:14.01 | Corsac | I am, indeed |
| 15:14.02 | Corsac | :) |
| 15:14.06 | johill | :) |
| 15:14.14 | johill | that works fine here, but no, I also have to restart X |
| 15:14.16 | Corsac | (never tried the vga out) |
| 15:14.20 | Corsac | ok |
| 15:14.25 | johill | now you mean tv again ;) |
| 15:14.34 | Corsac | haahah |
| 15:14.41 | Corsac | <= pfff |
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| 15:22.03 | johill | oh if you want to see something weird with the sound stuff... |
| 15:22.04 | johill | http://ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2006-May/023084.html |
| 15:33.57 | Corsac | hem |
| 15:34.03 | Corsac | i don't really understand everything :p |
| 15:34.18 | Corsac | when you say "See the problem ?", well... |
| 15:34.19 | Corsac | no. |
| 15:34.23 | Corsac | =) |
| 15:40.56 | johill | well see the 0 columns and how they move |
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| 16:22.30 | Linuturk | I'm installing the netinstall version of debian sarge on an Old World Mac (G3 All-in-One) I've managed to get the installer to show up using Bootx, but the installer can't detect my cd drive to get past a certain part of the install. |
| 16:27.44 | pahartik | Linuturk: maybe you need to load modules... "mesh", "53c94", "sr_mod"... (assuming usual SCSI CD-ROM device) |
| 16:28.47 | Linuturk | shouldn't those automatically be detected and loaded? or are they not on there b/c I've got the net install cd? |
| 16:30.37 | Linuturk | so, maybe I should download the first full cd? |
| 16:30.56 | Linuturk | if there were any seeds on the torrent, i could . . . |
| 16:31.32 | Linuturk | you people sure are tight lipped around here |
| 16:34.17 | pahartik | Linuturk: if some driver module for some important device is not loaded automatically, loading driver module manually for device in question helps... |
| 16:34.56 | Linuturk | but the net installer only offers one module, the floppy module |
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| 16:39.25 | pahartik | Linuturk: damn that |
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| 17:06.48 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: DebConf is now apparently taking place far away but I am still stuck on that damn channel for some reason... :) |
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| 18:05.21 | Q-FUNK | heh |
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| 19:01.58 | chrisa | Someone refresh my memory, there is a fully working x86 driver for airport extreme isn't there? |
| 19:02.23 | johill | chrisa: ? |
| 19:02.45 | johill | chrisa: x86 == windows? osx? ...? |
| 19:02.46 | chrisa | It uses the same broadcom chipset as some other cards which have working linux drivers, if I recall |
| 19:02.59 | johill | oh you mean bcm43xx? |
| 19:03.03 | johill | that driver? |
| 19:03.09 | johill | others on x86 used to use ndiswrapper too |
| 19:03.53 | johill | bcm43xx works on any system (except that weird embedded one with a brain-dead pci controller we recently heard about) |
| 19:30.41 | johill | chrisa: the right place, btw, is #bcm-users |
| 19:30.45 | johill | (or was it #bcm-user?) |
| 19:31.28 | chrisa | no clue, I've had bcm43xx working on my ibook forever, just looking at the new macbooks |
| 19:31.39 | chrisa | Too bad their video chipset is inferior to even my first gen ibook g4 |
| 19:31.56 | johill | macbooks don't have bcm43xx |
| 19:31.58 | johill | they have atheros |
| 19:32.01 | johill | afaik |
| 19:32.38 | chrisa | hmm, I was under the impression it was an airport extreme with a similar chipset. I'll have to look up the service manual |
| 19:32.57 | johill | it's still called airport extreme, but I think it's atheros now |
| 19:33.07 | johill | the new iMacs still come with bcm43xx, but in a pcie version |
| 19:57.45 | Q-FUNK | are atheros covered by any free driver? |
| 19:58.33 | johill | sort of |
| 19:58.44 | johill | they have binary hal firmware for the official one, and it's been reverse engineered |
| 19:59.00 | Q-FUNK | *sigh* |
| 19:59.10 | Q-FUNK | so, it's a bcm affair, again? |
| 19:59.12 | johill | s/firmware // |
| 19:59.12 | Corsac | re |
| 19:59.35 | johill | s/been/being/ |
| 19:59.43 | johill | hah apt, you should remember the first replacement too :) |
| 20:12.09 | dpro | guys I don't get it how do I now with 2.6.NN set the cpu frequency ? I don't want no stupid daemon I just want to run on 667 normally and at 1000 when doing sound ... |
| 20:12.53 | johill | dpro: install the usermode cpufreq module |
| 20:13.07 | johill | and then just change it. I personally use the gnome cpufreq module with the help isntalled suid |
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| 20:16.44 | dpro | I have CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y ... |
| 20:17.00 | johill | do you have the right governor? |
| 20:17.05 | johill | see /sys/.../cpufreq/ |
| 20:17.23 | johill | wherever it is. I forgot |
| 20:18.17 | dpro | and I'd rather use some cmd line tool |
| 20:18.24 | johill | echo? |
| 20:18.40 | johill | # cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 20:18.51 | johill | cat scaling_available_governors |
| 20:18.55 | johill | what does that show? |
| 20:19.05 | dpro | doesn't exist on my system cpu0 is empty .... |
| 20:19.19 | dpro | that's 2.6.16.14 |
| 20:19.25 | johill | then there's something wrong with it on your system, dunno |
| 20:19.27 | johill | what kind of system is it? |
| 20:19.42 | dpro | debian unstable on a titanium IV |
| 20:20.03 | johill | what precisely is a titanium IV? |
| 20:20.36 | Q-FUNK | titanium powerbook, g4 |
| 20:20.54 | Q-FUNK | the ultra-thin g4 laptop |
| 20:22.25 | johill | on most g4s cpufreq ought to work afaik, it does on my pbook |
| 20:25.15 | dpro | cpufreq_powersave and cpufreq_performance both load without complains ... but still the cpu0 dir is empty ... |
| 20:26.15 | johill | yeah the fact that it is empty means that your kernel doesn't notice that the processor can do it |
| 20:26.17 | johill | or something |
| 20:50.00 | simonrvn | what's the onboard ethernet chip on a beige G3? |
| 20:56.34 | pahartik | simonrvn: probably one supported by "mace" driver module... |
| 20:57.05 | simonrvn | i thought it was bmac or something. yeh, you're probably right |
| 20:58.07 | Q-FUNK | mace or bmac |
| 20:58.11 | pahartik | simonrvn: "bmac" was probably used on first NewWorld workstations... |
| 20:58.21 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 20:58.40 | Q-FUNK | 'hwinfo' |
| 21:00.28 | simonrvn | it doesn't have linux on it yet, and not plugged in =) |
| 21:00.59 | simonrvn | for the simple reason that it's going to have what the power tower pro has as HDD, and other h/w |
| 21:01.34 | simonrvn | it's been clocked up to 333 and 170-odd MHz |
| 21:02.49 | Q-FUNK | a live cd would offer 'hwinfo' :) |
| 21:02.58 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 21:04.10 | simonrvn | no point for me to install stuff on it when it's going to have the stuff already there |
| 21:04.36 | simonrvn | eh, i'll just build some extra modules |
| 21:05.59 | simonrvn | this one's a tower beige, with OF 2.4, so i was considering just booting it from mock os + bootx |
| 21:08.56 | Q-FUNK | ah |
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| 21:38.02 | simonrvn | crap. the PS is rated at 171 W |
| 21:52.11 | simonrvn | the scsi card is a hog, has 4 MB RAM (or cache) on it, and hosts 2 18 GB 10000 or 15000 rpm drives on it, plus the NICs... |
| 22:02.05 | Scitzo | someone who have problems with gdm and xorg in unstable? I can't log in because my keybord/fonts/letters doesn't work anymore. Just my swedish characters and specialchars as slash, pipe and so on... |
| 22:02.56 | Scitzo | don't have a clue what it is that can be wrong.. tried to purge/remove some xorg/xfs packages but nothing.. |
| 22:11.31 | Scitzo | I'm reading some tips at wiki.debian.org but if any of you have some ideas or tips, I would be grateful |
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| 22:55.51 | simonrvn | @BTS |
| 22:55.53 | ravenbird | the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try <http://bugs.debian.org/packagename>. Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug. reportbug also has querybts in it; 'querybts <bug number>' or 'querybts <package name>' |
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