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| 10:45.05 | Corsac | johill: \o/ |
| 10:45.10 | johill | hey |
| 10:45.11 | johill | sup? |
| 10:46.02 | Corsac | my AM's mail address is broken :( |
| 10:46.14 | johill | ? |
| 10:46.16 | johill | haha |
| 10:46.17 | johill | > | I do not actually need barriers (or an UPS, to poke on another thread), |
| 10:46.17 | johill | > | because power failures are rather rare in Germany. |
| 10:46.17 | johill | > |
| 10:46.18 | johill | > Hmm, even harder for us to detect at runtime, in the kernel, |
| 10:46.18 | johill | > that you're in Germany. :) |
| 10:46.42 | Corsac | hahaha |
| 10:48.07 | johill | I just fixed a very dumb bug in i2sbus. must've been asleep when I wrote that code |
| 10:48.15 | johill | (hey, I suppose I could even check that ;) ) |
| 10:48.26 | johill | but it only affects machines that have two busses, so not very many |
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| 10:52.13 | Corsac | should I upgrade my version ? |
| 10:52.13 | pahartik | johill: sloppy quoting |
| 10:52.29 | johill | hm? |
| 10:52.46 | johill | Corsac: always ;) but it doesn't make much difference to you |
| 10:52.56 | Corsac | k |
| 10:54.05 | Corsac | johill: why is make install storing some stuff in .tmp_versions ? |
| 10:54.24 | Corsac | (because they are stored as root so I can't remove then without using sudo) |
| 10:55.14 | johill | no idea |
| 10:55.20 | johill | that's some kernel makefile stuff |
| 10:55.31 | johill | I always "make install ; make clean" as root :) |
| 10:55.38 | Corsac | :) |
| 10:55.58 | johill | but then, I use ccache so... |
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| 11:18.32 | johill | what is a powerbook5,2 called? |
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| 11:20.09 | johill | never mind |
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| 11:22.32 | johill | lunch :) |
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| 12:28.14 | obo | Hi - anyone know if there is any linux support for IBM SSAR controllers? |
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| 15:36.56 | yipstar | hello |
| 15:37.09 | yipstar | i'd like to install debian sarge on an xserve |
| 15:37.20 | yipstar | it has an lsi megaraid sata card |
| 15:37.23 | yipstar | this doable? |
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| 16:02.48 | pahartik | yipstar: does not sound like real problem to me... |
| 16:03.24 | yipstar | pahartik: ok i'm downloading the minimal install cd now and am going to give it a try |
| 16:04.44 | pahartik | yipstar: if stable version does not work, build custom kernel or try newer installer... |
| 16:05.04 | yipstar | ok |
| 16:05.11 | yipstar | which installer is newer? |
| 16:05.13 | yipstar | testing? |
| 16:05.34 | yipstar | sorry i'm a little new to debian |
| 16:05.45 | pahartik | yipstar: yes... |
| 16:05.59 | yipstar | ok, that's just what i'll do |
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| 16:44.54 | yipstar | so i'm trying to install debian sarge minimal cd on an xserve |
| 16:45.05 | yipstar | any special options i need to use? |
| 16:45.15 | yipstar | i'm getting a white screen |
| 16:45.27 | yipstar | and it seems like it stucks trying to load the video |
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| 16:47.04 | Q-FUNK | yipstar: hm. good question |
| 16:47.21 | yipstar | i tried, install video=ofonly |
| 16:47.31 | yipstar | and i get still get the white screen |
| 16:47.48 | yipstar | could my video card be incompatible? |
| 16:48.52 | yipstar | is their a non-gui based install option? |
| 16:49.10 | Q-FUNK | I'm not sure |
| 16:51.13 | yipstar | also should i download a full cd instead of the minimal, would that have more video drivers? |
| 16:52.49 | Q-FUNK | not that I recall |
| 16:53.30 | Q-FUNK | IIRC nowadays the only difference is that the netisnatll and normal have packages on them, while the businesscard has only enoguh to boot the sytem and fetch everything over the net |
| 17:03.09 | yipstar | Q-FUNK: cool that's what I thought. ok, i'm gonna give Testing a go |
| 17:44.05 | Corsac | openoffice just scared me |
| 17:44.07 | Corsac | http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/dmesg.txt |
| 17:44.15 | Corsac | load >30 |
| 17:44.35 | Corsac | (but then, i'm still up) |
| 17:44.40 | Corsac | 19:43:28 up 14 days, 12:50, 8 users, load average: 0.24, 3.03, 15.18 |
| 17:45.17 | Curalton | i often hear linux' OOM hander sucks, seems to be true :) |
| 17:46.32 | Corsac | OOM ? |
| 17:46.52 | Curalton | out of memory |
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| 17:46.59 | Corsac | ok |
| 17:47.20 | Corsac | it lasted half an hour or so to have this |
| 17:47.38 | Bor_Ed | moz tends to do that here with ~20 tabs open |
| 17:47.51 | Curalton | whoa, and it certainly killed more than just the app which ate all the mem |
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| 17:48.26 | Corsac | here it only killed soffice and sons |
| 17:48.45 | Curalton | oh, not bad. still took weight too long |
| 17:49.04 | Corsac | yeah |
| 17:49.16 | Bor_Ed | should the timer interrupt ratio be increased on kernel conf to get it working? |
| 17:49.30 | Corsac | don't really know |
| 17:50.35 | Bor_Ed | prolly got to check out on next compile |
| 17:50.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm, hfs seems to work as read only too on this kernel for some reason |
| 17:52.50 | Curalton | oh, cool. ctrl-A in vim increases the current number under the cursor. |
| 17:57.50 | Corsac | yes |
| 17:58.04 | Corsac | and ctrl x to downgrade |
| 17:58.08 | Corsac | decrease |
| 18:02.58 | yipstar | anyone ever successfully install Debian on XServe? |
| 18:03.12 | yipstar | I'm getting the White Screen hanging |
| 18:03.23 | yipstar | my video card must not be supported huh |
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| 18:05.34 | pahartik | yipstar: ATI frame buffer? |
| 18:05.55 | yipstar | is that this? opening display /ht@0, f2000000/pci@1/ATY,BugsyParent@3/ATY,Bugsy_B@1_ |
| 18:06.55 | pahartik | yipstar: yes... |
| 18:07.01 | yipstar | i tired the video=osonly option |
| 18:07.07 | yipstar | anything I can do pahartik? |
| 18:10.05 | pahartik | yipstar: I do not have Xserve, but OldWorld and NewWorld PowerMacintosh workstations... |
| 18:10.37 | yipstar | i see, am i right to assume it's my video card that's not supported? |
| 18:11.03 | pahartik | yipstar: do you get that "white screen" problem before or after "yaboot" prompt? |
| 18:11.59 | yipstar | is that the prompt where you type install? |
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| 18:12.58 | pahartik | yipstar: I think so |
| 18:13.30 | yipstar | yes so i get that prompt |
| 18:13.36 | yipstar | so what are my options? |
| 18:13.43 | yipstar | i need to compile a custom kernal? |
| 18:17.02 | pahartik | yipstar: I think that is what I would try next |
| 18:19.00 | pahartik | yipstar: does it have PowerPC 7455 or PowerPC 970? |
| 18:22.24 | yipstar | finding out |
| 18:22.28 | yipstar | one sec... |
| 18:28.52 | pahartik | yipstar: did you try to "zap PRAM"? |
| 18:29.41 | yipstar | no what's that? |
| 18:29.52 | pahartik | yipstar: and how did you get to "yaboot" prompt? |
| 18:30.33 | yipstar | the prompt i'm referring to is the one that just comes up where you then type install? |
| 18:30.43 | yipstar | remove that question mark... heh |
| 18:31.07 | yipstar | my bad i keep having to walk over to the server room and back to report my findings :( |
| 18:31.24 | pahartik | yipstar: so there is no OS installed right now on that Xserve? |
| 18:31.41 | yipstar | oh OS X is on there now |
| 18:31.49 | yipstar | do I need to wipe that first? |
| 18:32.08 | pahartik | yipstar: no need to |
| 18:32.56 | yipstar | ok |
| 18:34.38 | nefertum | will be there Xgl packages in debian? |
| 18:34.49 | nefertum | do u know anything about this? |
| 18:34.58 | nefertum | or some repository? |
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| 18:54.53 | pahartik | yipstar: "http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86194" describes what is stored on PRAM |
| 18:55.15 | yipstar | pahartik: my video card is not supported |
| 18:55.26 | yipstar | it's an ATI Radeon 9200 |
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| 18:56.36 | pahartik | yipstar: well, I have ATI Radeon 9200 as well on iBook G4 and it works fine... |
| 18:56.44 | yipstar | really? |
| 18:56.48 | yipstar | darn |
| 18:56.56 | yipstar | sarge or testing? |
| 18:57.25 | Bor_Ed | ati 9200 is supported on radeon driver on xf86 4.2 and up... which ages before sarge |
| 18:57.40 | yipstar | yes but this is ppc |
| 18:57.45 | Bor_Ed | in ppc |
| 18:57.56 | yipstar | ok |
| 18:58.09 | yipstar | then that must not be my White screen stall problem |
| 18:58.21 | yipstar | thank you for clarifying that |
| 18:58.27 | Bor_Ed | probably video mode recognization or such |
| 18:58.27 | pahartik | yipstar: I used pre-release version of sarge to install, built custom kernel right after installing... |
| 18:58.56 | yipstar | Bor_Ed: can you explain further? |
| 18:59.31 | yipstar | meaning i'm unsure what to try at this point :( |
| 18:59.36 | Bor_Ed | set the video to vga for example ón yaboot switches |
| 18:59.58 | yipstar | ok lemme google how to do that |
| 19:00.23 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: could also be some problem with kernel before it gets anywhere near initializing frame buffer... |
| 19:00.52 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: then video option at latest should kick in the framebuffer |
| 19:01.23 | Bor_Ed | dunno if radeon is used as atyfb too or is it called radeonfb or so |
| 19:01.28 | yipstar | Bor_Ed: do you know the yaboot prompt command to do as you say? |
| 19:01.49 | Bor_Ed | nope, I only own oldworld boxes which boot differently |
| 19:01.54 | yipstar | that's not: install video=osonly is it? |
| 19:02.33 | Bor_Ed | if you've tried that and it (ofonly) doesn't work, then you should try to specify the correct video driver as parameter |
| 19:04.02 | yipstar | like: video=radeonfb |
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| 19:04.05 | yipstar | ? |
| 19:04.26 | Bor_Ed | and the resolution, bit depth and refresh but yea |
| 19:04.57 | yipstar | i need a doc on the web or something, sorry i'm really new to this |
| 19:05.08 | Bor_Ed | google is your friend |
| 19:06.19 | yipstar | heh, i'm trying to find something over her |
| 19:06.35 | yipstar | thanks for the help, much appreciated |
| 19:07.09 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 19:16.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm, another linux support chan, another person having the white screen issue too |
| 19:38.26 | yipstar | so i'm an idiot |
| 19:38.44 | yipstar | i wasn't using install64 |
| 19:39.09 | yipstar | install64 video=ofonly got me past the white screen |
| 19:39.19 | yipstar | i bunch of errors popped up though |
| 19:39.37 | yipstar | and it seems to have hung when trying to get an ip using dhcp |
| 19:39.50 | yipstar | how long should that take before it moves on? |
| 19:43.34 | pahartik | yipstar: well, I asked if it had PowerPC 7455 or PowerPC 970... :) |
| 19:43.50 | yipstar | pahartik: well i said i'm a moron :) |
| 19:45.23 | yipstar | it errors when detecting cdrom and network hardware :( |
| 19:46.18 | pahartik | yipstar: DHCP client gives timeout within few minutes... |
| 19:53.34 | yipstar | yeah it must be stuck |
| 19:53.43 | yipstar | been more than a few minutes at this point |
| 19:53.45 | yipstar | i might give up |
| 20:03.17 | yipstar | or try Yellow Dog :( |
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| 20:39.45 | pahartik | yipstar: damn that :) |
| 20:39.57 | yipstar | don't know what else to do |
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| 21:11.17 | witch | Hi! |
| 21:11.53 | witch | I have a problem with an externeal drive attached with usb: fdisk does not list the partitions |
| 21:12.57 | tmbinc | mac-fdisk vs. pc-fdisk? |
| 21:13.43 | witch | mac-fdisk |
| 21:14.32 | witch | Is there a pc fdisk in ppc debian? |
| 21:14.48 | Curalton | witch: check if dmesg noticed anything? |
| 21:14.51 | pahartik | witch: use "parted" or "disktype"? |
| 21:14.52 | tcsetattr | maybe cfdisk can handle it |
| 21:15.19 | Curalton | also the kernel must have support for pc partitions to mount the partitions in the first plaec |
| 21:15.26 | witch | The silly thing: I can see the partitions in /proc/partitions and I can mount them manually |
| 21:16.48 | Curalton | then you indeed just miss the pc-fdisk or equivalent |
| 21:16.49 | pahartik | witch: does not sound silly to me... |
| 21:17.07 | witch | not? |
| 21:17.34 | witch | But why then can I mount and see any other disk which goes to sda? |
| 21:18.23 | pahartik | witch: whether kernel knows about partitions depends on configuration options it was built with |
| 21:19.00 | witch | currently I cannot remove sda. esle I could test, what happens if the driver is the only external |
| 21:19.26 | pahartik | witch: utilities that read or edit disk labels or partition tables do not depend on kernel's ability to understand them |
| 21:19.42 | witch | but would the disk be in /proc/partitions, if the kernel does not recognize it? |
| 21:20.01 | witch | and would I be able to mount them? |
| 21:20.07 | Curalton | fdisk != kernel |
| 21:20.11 | Curalton | fdisk is a userland app |
| 21:20.24 | witch | so fdisk is buggy? |
| 21:23.08 | pahartik | witch: if you want support for most disk label and partition table types in single application, use "parted"... |
| 21:23.52 | witch | I never used parted as there was no need to edit partitions, hmmm |
| 21:23.54 | Curalton | witch: there are different ways to mark partitions on a disk, fdisk on ppc only supports the ppc way, not the limited x86 way |
| 21:25.00 | witch | but waht is supposed to be used on mac to list partitions on a disk? |
| 21:25.21 | pahartik | witch: "disktype" |
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