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06:53.59chrisaHas anyone noticed bcm43xx dropping and needing to reassociate a lot? Seems every couple minutes for me. It's rather annoying with the nfs shares I use
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08:06.29Q-FUNK_rene__: would you happen to know why prelink only exists for 4 architectures?
08:43.10pahartikQ-FUNK: my guess... binary format and linking of dynamic libraries is different on each CPU architecture... so each architecture needs porting...
09:50.46_rene_jup
09:51.11_rene_so, will this channel be alive or will we move over to OFTC?
09:51.29Q-FUNKgood question
09:52.02Q-FUNKpersonally, I'd love it if all debian-related channels were just on irc.dedian.org, regardless of which network the alias might point to.
10:14.24_rene_so OFTC
10:16.48_rene_then we should open #debianppc there and change the topic here accordingly
10:31.18Q-FUNK_rene_: ask eb.  he might agree to it.  or not.
10:32.22Q-FUNKactually, see topic
10:34.21Q-FUNKerm
10:34.23Q-FUNKhm
10:34.40Q-FUNKwould be nic eto get rid of freenod,e actually
10:34.51_rene_Q-FUNK: which doesn't say whether we move
10:34.58Q-FUNKaye, indeed
10:35.08Q-FUNKwe'd need to contact eb.
10:35.20Q-FUNKand #debian-ppc would make more sense
10:35.36_rene_12:35 [Users #debianppc]
10:35.36_rene_12:35 [@simonrvn] [ _rene_] [ ag-] [ bend-a] [ ianw] [ saloxin]
10:37.06Q-FUNKhere, it shows as empty
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12:16.11johillanyone here has a mac mini by any chance?
13:23.50Q-FUNKbenh does
13:26.27johillI know
13:30.33Q-FUNKbtw, what was the command to run to check if the soundchip would be covered by the current snd-aoa ?
13:30.48johillfind /proc/device-tree -name layout-id
13:30.58johillif something shows up, it should be supported, if not, then not
13:31.16johillthere's some problems with PowerMac7,2 and 7,3 so it doesn't work on those
13:31.16Q-FUNKah
13:31.20Q-FUNKindeed not, then
13:31.50Q-FUNKhm
13:31.57Q-FUNKhow do I find my powermac version again?
13:32.05johillcat /proc/device-tree/compatible
13:32.16johillor /proc/cpuinfo :)
13:32.34Q-FUNKmotherboard     : iMac MacRISC Power Macintosh
13:32.34Q-FUNKdetected as     : 79 (Unknown Paddington-based)
13:32.53johillhm, what does the compatible property say?
13:33.06Q-FUNKsame as the motherboard line
13:33.12johillinteresting
13:33.18johillI know nothing about those machines
13:33.32Q-FUNKiMac G3 CRT
13:33.33johillall the ones I've ever seen have a PowerMac*,* or PowerBook*,* compatible entry
13:33.35Q-FUNKthe original thing
13:34.16johilldoes something come up when you do
13:34.22johillfind /proc/device-tree -name i2sbus*
13:34.24johill?
13:34.44johillif so, it'll probably be among the next class of machines supported
13:35.08Q-FUNKmachine says something different:
13:35.16Q-FUNKmachine         : iMac,1
13:35.54Q-FUNKnope
13:35.58Q-FUNKno i2*
13:36.11johillthen it probably has a davbus*
13:36.17Q-FUNKprobably
13:36.17johillknow nothing about that either
13:36.24Q-FUNKit's an early newworld
13:36.50Q-FUNKmost G3 stuff except the *books use dabus, iirc
13:37.05johilldoes snd-powermac work on it?
13:37.10johilljust out of curiosity :)
13:37.19Q-FUNKmostly well, yes
13:37.36Q-FUNKsome inverted sliders
13:37.36johillmostly?
13:37.40johilloh heh
13:37.45johillthat ought to be easy to fix though, no?
13:38.00Q-FUNKwould probably be easy to fix for anyoen knowing just a bit about the arch
13:38.04Q-FUNKsync :)
13:38.11Q-FUNKbut nobody can be bothered.
13:38.46Q-FUNKit's probably a wrogn offset in the bit matrix to select the function to control
13:39.28Q-FUNKah yes, and some channels that should be stereo appear in mono
13:39.49Q-FUNKIIRC this whole iMac is stereo all the way
13:39.58johillno idea, I know nothing about the arch
13:40.04Q-FUNKso everything should appear in pairs
13:40.36johillyeah
13:40.54johilloften though a mute control is only mono, but it depends on the codec
13:42.09Q-FUNKcould be
13:46.08Q-FUNKburgundy.h seems to be the key
13:52.00Q-FUNKjohill: http://www.synrise.de/docs/types/c/crystal.htm
13:52.27johillinteresting
13:52.36johillis there a data sheet from cs?
13:54.22Q-FUNKgood question
13:54.34Q-FUNKwe at least know it's a cs4211 now
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14:12.01Q-FUNKit appears that crystal is a subdivision of cirrus logic
14:14.44Q-FUNKmaybe apple-specific chip.  they don't seem to have docs
14:18.59johillyeah, cirrus has datasheets for some other cihps though, that one is probably just too old
14:20.30Q-FUNKhttp://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/Darwin/IOAudioFamily.html
14:20.43Q-FUNKno, they have datasheets for even older chips
14:20.54johilloh, weird
14:21.08Q-FUNKI'm guessign that this one was developped specifically for apple and thus consideed a customer project, so not published
14:21.17johillpossible
14:22.00Q-FUNKhttp://developer.apple.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?q=burgundy&site=default_collection
14:22.08Q-FUNKlots of answers
14:23.03johillnah, it isn't specific to apple
14:23.07johillsome parts sites have it
14:26.15Q-FUNKthey sell the part, but don't provide any specs
14:26.40johillyeah
14:26.56johillbut maybe they would if someone asked
14:30.04Q-FUNKhttp://developer.apple.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?q=burgundy+driver+source&num=10&site=default_collection
14:30.12Q-FUNKthe pdf contains interesting stuff
14:30.45johillyou realize that we have the full driver in darwin?
14:30.53johillAppleOnboardAudio-256.2.5/AppleLegacyAudio/AppleBurgundyAudio/*
14:34.53Q-FUNKi know.
14:35.00Q-FUNKi said so about a zillion time.
14:35.11Q-FUNKnobody can be bothered with sifting thru the darwin code.
14:35.42Q-FUNKbenh and tiwai both said that the hate reading darwin source code.
14:36.24Q-FUNKI mean, fixing the whole alsa support would be as easy as reading the darwin code for the info and transposing that into alsa goodies.
14:36.57johilltheir code is horrid, the best thing to do is write a 'datasheet' from it and go from there
14:37.17Q-FUNKi had even included a link to the exact driver in my bug report on snd-powermac on alsa's bts.
14:37.22Q-FUNKyup
14:37.33Q-FUNKbut that also requires reading thru all their drivers first.
14:37.45johillmostly the header files
14:39.10Q-FUNKyup
14:39.16Q-FUNKbut still.  would you do it? :)
14:39.24Q-FUNKhttp://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/10.4.6.ppc/AppleOnboardAudio-256.2.5/AppleLegacyAudio/AppleBurgundyAudio/
14:40.07johillfile:///mnt/scratch/darwinsource/AppleOnboardAudio-256.2.5/AppleLegacyAudio/AppleBurgundyAudio/ ;)
14:41.07johillthing is, I'd have to understand davbus first
14:41.16Corsachi there
14:41.20Q-FUNKyes and no
14:41.20johillnot much use in programming sound chip control when you can't push data to it
14:41.20johillhi Corsac
14:41.31johillQ-FUNK: yes, because I won't be touching snd-powermac
14:41.38Q-FUNKcould involve first fixing the bitmap offsets in the snd-powermac driver, as a temporary fix
14:41.40johillit sucks just as much as darwin source. well maybe not quite
14:44.17Q-FUNKheh
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15:19.34netstarHi.  Does anyone in here perchance have a mac mini or PowerBook5,4 running Linux?
15:19.43johillnetstar: I hang out here too
15:19.47netstarlol
15:19.59netstarI'm not stalking
15:21.13netstarjohill: which machine is the pb 5,4?
15:21.31johillsome earlier powerbook
15:21.33johilltitanium?
15:21.35johillnot sure
15:21.45johillthere's a list somewhere, and the bot knows about it, but I always forget the bots name ;)
15:22.41netstarThe same almost DT as MM?
15:22.58johillMM/
15:23.01johill?
15:23.03netstarMac Mini
15:23.20johillah no
15:23.28johillquite different problems in snd-aoa too
15:23.46netstarokay will keep trying
15:24.25netstardoes the 5,4 have a trackpad?
15:24.36johillhuh? no idea
15:24.39johilllet's see
15:24.52johillif so it's atp
15:25.09johillnothing I could find in the dt about that, but I suppose it does
15:25.14johillit isn't *that* old ;)
15:25.17netstarlol
15:27.03netstarlet's find that bot
15:27.14netstar!help
15:27.17johillravenbird
15:27.48johillI think
15:27.53netstaryup
15:27.57netstarwhich function?
15:28.07johillfunction? it has a function that remembers things
15:28.18johilland you can ask for it later if you know the key (and maybe get a list of keys)
15:47.02simonrvn@test2
15:47.03ravenbirdNo I'm not online anymore
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23:46.59dk0rAnyone familiar w/ Automator that can help me write a little script?
23:46.59dk0rAll I want to do is create a loop where for example in text edit, the first line of text (1 of hundreds of urls) is copied, then another application (download manager) is made active, and command+v is executed pasting the individual url, then looping back to it all over again for lines 2, 3, 4, ~.

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