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| 07:50.35 | Bradd_br | hi guys.. I have an oldworld mac and I'm looking at installing debian on it.. I have macos 7.6 installed already.. I'm not exactly sure what to install to get my linux distro bootable |
| 07:56.56 | Bor_Ed | use bootx |
| 07:57.06 | Bradd_br | ok |
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| 12:10.18 | Haag_ | hi =) |
| 12:14.36 | Haag_ | how do i boot the install for sarge on an oldworld mac? |
| 12:14.47 | Haag_ | i cant get the bootdisks to work.. |
| 12:36.18 | Haag_ | no one here? |
| 12:37.30 | Q-FUNK | I guess we're all on newworld macs |
| 12:38.47 | Haag_ | okey =/ i have an oldworld mac that i want to but linux on for server use.. |
| 12:39.06 | Q-FUNK | or well, pahartik has some oldworlds |
| 12:39.21 | Q-FUNK | but he's porbably aspeel at this time |
| 12:39.25 | Q-FUNK | argh |
| 12:39.25 | Haag_ | but i cant understand way i cant make the bootdisks to work.. |
| 12:39.34 | Q-FUNK | he's probably asleep at this time |
| 12:39.46 | Q-FUNK | oldworlds are mysterious |
| 12:40.07 | Haag_ | heh.. "at this time" here it is like 2 on the afternon.. |
| 12:40.32 | Haag_ | yes.. =/ i have got woody too boot on disk.. but not newer debian.. |
| 12:41.10 | Q-FUNK | i think newer debians don't offer bootdisks because of copyright issues |
| 12:41.18 | Haag_ | me last thing to try is to make the bootdisks form linux.. |
| 12:41.36 | Haag_ | okey.. =/ thats bad.. |
| 12:41.59 | Haag_ | i fond some here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/ |
| 12:42.22 | Haag_ | but that to use.. floopy or floopy-2.4? |
| 12:42.32 | Q-FUNK | floppy uses 2.6 kernels |
| 12:42.36 | Q-FUNK | the othe ruses 2.4 kernels |
| 12:42.58 | Haag_ | oh.. i almost knew that ;) |
| 12:44.55 | Haag_ | im have too Power Macintosh G3 that im going to make servers of.. in mac os it says it have 500Mhz.. but its and old desktop version.. |
| 12:45.53 | Q-FUNK | G3 are easy... except for the beige G3 |
| 12:46.06 | Haag_ | way have 384Mb Ram so i think its going to work nice as server.. |
| 12:46.23 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 12:50.28 | Haag_ | hmm.. to bad i cant get the disk to work, i try "rawwrite" for windows to make the disk.. |
| 12:51.02 | Haag_ | i think im going to try linux.. but i dont have any linux around here =/ |
| 12:51.11 | Haag_ | hmm.. maybee an liveCD ;) |
| 12:52.22 | Q-FUNK | livecd is good |
| 12:54.15 | Haag_ | but have low bandwidth here =/ |
| 12:54.48 | Q-FUNK | ubuntu for free. |
| 12:55.21 | Haag_ | is it nice? |
| 12:55.26 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 12:55.30 | Q-FUNK | nice live cd too |
| 12:55.37 | Q-FUNK | based on debian |
| 12:55.48 | Q-FUNK | shipit.ubuntu.com |
| 12:58.41 | Haag_ | works on an G3? |
| 12:59.36 | Haag_ | but i think i have more problem to boot install there.. |
| 13:00.52 | Haag_ | "Power Macs (beige G3 and older) will not boot from CD and are not currently supported by Ubuntu. " |
| 13:01.32 | Haag_ | to bad.. |
| 13:08.32 | Haag_ | hmm.. it is an bad ide to install woody and update to sarge? |
| 13:08.46 | Haag_ | apt-get... |
| 13:16.19 | Q-FUNK | it works |
| 13:29.39 | Haag_ | yes.. but it is the same? but i most be better to do an real sarge install |
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| 13:43.40 | Corsac | johill: \o/ |
| 13:43.57 | Corsac | johill: any chance snd-aoa to be included in linux kernel ? |
| 13:44.40 | johill | it's in alsa hg already |
| 13:44.45 | johill | going to go into 2.6.18 I think |
| 13:45.19 | Corsac | woot |
| 13:46.24 | johill | :) |
| 13:46.42 | Corsac | \o/ |
| 13:46.47 | johill | cool, does that mean I'll get lots of mail about it again? |
| 13:46.49 | johill | ;) |
| 13:47.06 | Corsac | fwcutter will stay i guess ? |
| 13:47.17 | _rene_ | johill: you'll get mails when I close all the bugs still assigned to it because the package's gone ;) |
| 13:47.20 | _rene_ | Corsac: yes |
| 13:47.55 | johill | _rene_: heh. I'll try to filter and see if any are applicable upstream, but I haven't seen all that many bug reports on it |
| 13:49.36 | johill | heh |
| 13:49.52 | johill | "Rebel fleet of wireless developers, [...]" (Luis Rodriguez) |
| 13:50.19 | Corsac | we need to attach them so they work correctly ! |
| 13:54.31 | Q-FUNK | johill: any chance I could get you to review and merge an old ALSA 0.5 driver to upgrade it to current standards and have it merged? ;) |
| 13:54.59 | johill | ugh! not really, already dropping lots of work on the floor as-is |
| 13:55.15 | johill | like fixing snd-aoa for powermac72/73 |
| 13:55.20 | johill | among others |
| 13:55.29 | Q-FUNK | :( |
| 13:55.40 | Q-FUNK | so, was that the end of snd-aoa development? |
| 13:55.44 | johill | no |
| 13:56.02 | johill | but for the next week I can't really look at anything |
| 13:56.15 | johill | and then I'll be doing my B.Comp.Sc thesis |
| 13:56.25 | johill | and then Diploma/Masters in Math |
| 13:56.30 | johill | so I'm tied up with that |
| 13:56.51 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 13:57.34 | Q-FUNK | https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2156 |
| 13:57.45 | Q-FUNK | (view with guest login, if necessary) |
| 13:58.26 | johill | I have a login :) |
| 13:58.49 | johill | oh, that, didn't you also blog about that? |
| 14:04.08 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 14:04.17 | Q-FUNK | but not all the info that's there |
| 14:06.14 | johill | yeah, just seen that scroll by |
| 14:06.32 | johill | but seriously, I doubt I'm the right person, I just barely manage to write alsa drivers with lots of kicking and screaming ;) |
| 14:07.32 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 14:07.57 | johill | looks like there'll be a class here and I have to leave |
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| 14:09.36 | johill | so, cya, will go home to put the quad at home through more suspend/resume/BUG() cycles ;) |
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| 17:20.16 | rmbrain | How does Debian Sarge run on an iBook G4? |
| 17:20.24 | rmbrain | Does all of the hardware work fine? |
| 17:22.41 | Q-FUNK | mostly |
| 17:23.28 | rmbrain | Q-FUNK, what doesnt work? |
| 17:23.56 | Q-FUNK | IIRC some audio features are not supported in the old 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:24.07 | Q-FUNK | other than that, it should mostly work |
| 17:24.49 | rmbrain | Q-FUNK, what kinds of audio features? does the wireless work? |
| 17:25.03 | Q-FUNK | wireless requires a newer kernel |
| 17:25.23 | Q-FUNK | but that can be easily upgraded |
| 17:25.37 | rmbrain | which version? |
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| 17:34.43 | rmbrain | So wireless on a Debian Sarge PPC system _does_ work on an iBook? |
| 17:38.00 | rmbrain | And what portions of the sound system do not work? |
| 17:38.11 | rmbrain | I need knowledge before I convert a friend. |
| 17:38.13 | netman_ | rmbrain: airport extreme is now suported, it's included in last 2.6.17 kernel |
| 17:38.35 | netman_ | if not, you hav to patch the kelmer |
| 17:40.04 | rmbrain | netman_, what about sound? |
| 17:40.21 | netman_ | rmbrain: not sure about features |
| 17:40.41 | netman_ | it works enough in my powerbook g4 |
| 17:40.50 | rmbrain | netman_, sweet thanks |
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