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| 00:47.47 | jones- | hmm, kernel 2.6.17.6 is failing to build |
| 00:47.56 | jones- | the PMAC thingie is failing |
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| 10:54.20 | pahartik | jones-: define "PMAC thingie"? |
| 10:54.54 | jones- | pahartik: problem fixed last night |
| 10:56.01 | pahartik | jones-: how did that happen? |
| 10:57.05 | jones- | pahartik: i think there's a bug in the option selection procedure, when making menuconfig |
| 10:57.47 | jones- | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC=y |
| 10:57.47 | jones- | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC_ATA100FIRST=y |
| 10:57.49 | jones- | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PMAC=n |
| 10:57.58 | jones- | if you use this configuration, your kernel won't build |
| 10:59.12 | pahartik | jones-: you are saying that option dependencies have not been defined correctly? |
| 10:59.18 | jones- | pahartik: yes |
| 10:59.54 | jones- | because i was able to set up that faulty configuration from menuconfig |
| 11:02.47 | pahartik | jones-: I think I would agree |
| 11:03.14 | jones- | shall we submit a bug? |
| 11:08.07 | pahartik | jones-: I am not experienced on reporting Linux kernel bugs... once I did report that serial port IrDA adapter driver fails to build on Alpha... driver was fixed fixed quite soon |
| 11:09.29 | pahartik | jones-: (I reported it to Debian bug database, I suppose it was forwarded upstream or then someone created patch and submitted that upstream) |
| 11:10.15 | jones- | ok |
| 11:13.22 | pahartik | jones-: but I was happy, with functional IrDA connection on Alpha workstation... it was years ago :) |
| 11:13.32 | jones- | :) |
| 11:13.48 | jones- | i'm just running trhough all this to have my airport extreme card working |
| 12:22.14 | jones- | any chance that there's around a .config file already optimized for a iBook G4 2nd generation? |
| 12:25.08 | pahartik | jones-: do you have iBook G4 with built-in ADB input devices or built-in USB input devices? |
| 12:25.25 | jones- | pahartik: how do i find out? |
| 12:25.39 | jones- | pahartik: i bought it in april 2005, if that helps |
| 12:27.06 | jones- | pahartik: i accidentally rm'ed the .config from /boot that i got from the initial installation, and now i don't want to tune all the options from scratch: i'm sure i'd forget tons of things and it would take the whole day :( |
| 12:27.37 | pahartik | jones-: does "sudo lsadb" find any devices? |
| 12:28.41 | jones- | pahartik: yeah, some |
| 12:29.20 | jones- | the keyboard and the trackpad, i think |
| 12:30.19 | pahartik | jones-: this is my Linux kernel configuration for similar iBook G4, it does not use "initrd image": "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/config-2.6.17-kiara-pahartik" |
| 12:30.51 | pahartik | jones-: I am using it right now |
| 12:30.53 | jones- | pahartik: does it use devfs? |
| 12:30.59 | jones- | pahartik: you think it might work with my ibook? |
| 12:31.39 | pahartik | jones-: no "devfs", only "udev" |
| 12:31.49 | jones- | ok, do you have airport card working? |
| 12:33.09 | pahartik | jones-: I seem to recall that "devfs" was dropped completely after Linux 2.6.15... (I could be wrong though, but anyway) |
| 12:33.47 | jones- | yes it was dropped, and booting into this new kernel i had devfs errors |
| 12:33.57 | jones- | like it was complaining that it was missing or something |
| 12:34.22 | pahartik | jones-: I got rid of Airport Extreme adapter really soon after buying iBook G4, I use built-in Bluetooth instead |
| 12:34.37 | jones- | ah |
| 12:34.44 | jones- | bluetooth wireless adapter? |
| 12:37.17 | pahartik | jones-: but all other things that can be connected to iBook G4 should be enabled as modules on that kernel configuration... mostly IEEE-1394 and USB devices... you supposedly only need to enable that 802.11 driver |
| 12:40.01 | pahartik | jones-: I bought iBook G4 with built-in Bluetooth 1.2 class 2 adapter... I want to replace it with Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 adapter someday, but not yet feeling like opening iBook G4 and start trying to fit adapter in... |
| 12:40.49 | jones- | lol |
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| 12:42.41 | pahartik | jones-: that built-in Bluetooth 1.2 class 2 adapter has served me well for 2,5 years already :) |
| 12:43.41 | jones- | pahartik: cool, was it expensive? |
| 12:44.26 | jones- | but anyway, airport is supposed to work, so'm gonna try |
| 12:45.09 | pahartik | jones-: well, iBook G4 was 1100 EUR, including 50 EUR for that Bluetooth option... |
| 12:45.11 | jones- | pahartik: btw, the .config you gave me, is it shrinked out of all the useless modules? |
| 12:45.46 | jones- | pahartik: yeah, i didnt buy built in bluetooth because i thought i wouldnt need it. Now I have an usb-bluetooth adapter |
| 12:46.41 | jones- | pahartik: anyway, i must get everything working before tonight. I d't want to end up like last night: i stayed up till 5:30 am :D |
| 12:46.58 | pahartik | jones-: from configuration, I have tried to disable all things that are physically impossible to connect to iBook G4 (without strange hardware modifications) |
| 12:47.36 | jones- | pahartik: and how about all the pci chipsets etc? did you cut the wrong ones out? |
| 12:48.48 | pahartik | jones-: no drivers for PCI devices that are not built-in on iBook G4, are enabled |
| 12:50.51 | jones- | oh ok, never mind, i'm used to wait more thanan hour for the kernel to build complitely now :( |
| 12:52.53 | jones- | ah, you mean "no drivers are enabled", while i read "no, drivers are enabled" :) |
| 12:53.04 | pahartik | jones-: I think it takes just about one hour for 600 MHz PowerPC 7400, to build Linux kernel with my iBook G4 configuration |
| 12:57.27 | jones- | well but i have a 1.2ghz g4 |
| 12:58.00 | jones- | i think now it's been going for more than half an hour... |
| 12:58.10 | pahartik | jones-: me too, but I always use it at 600 MHz... |
| 12:59.25 | jones- | why? power saving? |
| 13:00.32 | jones- | btw, is acpi enabled? |
| 13:06.46 | pahartik | jones-: "CONFIG_PMAC_APM_EMU" is enabled... |
| 13:07.19 | jones- | oh apm, ok |
| 13:08.14 | pahartik | jones-: it means emulation of "APM" with "PMU" hardware |
| 13:09.45 | pahartik | jones-: 600 MHz is enough for everything I usually do... |
| 13:10.04 | jones- | pahartik: yeah i guess so |
| 13:11.52 | pahartik | jones-: for example MPEG-2 decoding of DVB stream, and there is still enough spare CPU cycles to build something on background |
| 13:12.30 | jones- | pahartik: i'm plugged to power all the time, so i don't see why i shouldnt use full power |
| 13:12.50 | pahartik | jones-: battery lasts longer, fan is needed less often... |
| 13:13.36 | jones- | yeah... |
| 13:14.17 | pahartik | jones-: and I hope semiconductor components live longer when they are kept cool |
| 13:15.49 | Danamania | dave: did you know the practice among some californians of packing the nasal sinuses with live grasshoppers during the spring can be a common cause of problems? |
| 13:15.54 | Danamania | crap. wrong channel. |
| 13:17.05 | jones- | pahartik: ok, built. Time to reboot. Cross fingers. |
| 13:23.06 | jones- | shit i forgot reiserfs |
| 13:23.31 | jones- | pahartik: i guess yhou use ext3 on root fs |
| 13:24.11 | jones- | reiserfs was a module, tho |
| 13:24.12 | jones- | hmm |
| 13:27.09 | pahartik | jones-: yes, I do only use "ext3", unless something else is required |
| 13:31.03 | jones- | siovene@ibook:~$ uname -r |
| 13:31.03 | jones- | 2.6.17.6 |
| 13:31.05 | jones- | \o/ |
| 13:31.33 | jones- | now gotta tune the kernel for the airport thingy |
| 13:31.50 | pahartik | jones-: good for you |
| 13:32.22 | jones- | my rice is going cold while the chicken cooks :S shit |
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| 13:37.46 | netstar | hey |
| 13:38.22 | netstar | I am having issues with libxine on my iMac G5, some of the fast memcpy function fail, is there something I am doing wrong? |
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| 16:50.26 | jones- | how to use xmodmap to do, for example Cmd+a = Ã ? |
| 16:50.32 | jones- | (i hope you see my accented a) |
| 16:50.44 | jones- | with Cmd, i mean the Apple key |
| 16:58.18 | jones- | cool it's there already |
| 16:58.30 | jones- | Cmd+Shift+: a = À |
| 16:58.59 | jones- | complitated, tho |
| 18:12.49 | jones- | hmm, how do i check if i have 3d accelleration enabled? |
| 18:12.56 | jones- | glxgears starts, but it's dead slow |
| 18:14.14 | jones- | oh, it looks like it's not suppoerted yet, is that right? |
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| 22:42.37 | jones- | does anybody know a VoIP program (like Skype) that works on linux/ppc? |
| 22:47.52 | pahartik | jones-: yes... "linphone", "twinkle", "wengophone", "kphone", "ekiga" |
| 22:48.26 | jones- | :O so many! :D |
| 22:48.40 | pahartik | jones-: and those are SIP clients and not proprietary crap like "skype" |
| 22:49.31 | jones- | pahartik: hmm but i will definitely not be able to call my skype friends, i assume |
| 22:52.01 | jones- | what does it mean that it's a sip client? |
| 22:53.19 | pahartik | jones-: since "skype" prefers proprietary crap, it should be their problem to provide gateway between their proprietary system and open VoIP protocols... |
| 22:54.13 | jones- | pahartik: ah, talking about protocols |
| 22:55.06 | pahartik | jones-: "RFC 3261 (rfc3261) - SIP: Session Initiation Protocol": "http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3261.html" |
| 22:55.43 | jones- | yeah. i'm writing an im client at work, that uses jabber, but sip is going to be used in the future |
| 22:57.22 | pahartik | jones-: is it well-known software? |
| 22:57.44 | jones- | pahartik: not particularly. I work for www.movial.fi |
| 22:58.18 | pahartik | jones-: that is somehow related to Nokia 770 development? |
| 22:58.44 | jones- | pahartik: yeah, i've done that too for a while |
| 22:59.07 | jones- | well just bug fixing around |
| 23:00.18 | pahartik | jones-: I am waiting to get Nokia 770... |
| 23:01.25 | jones- | pahartik: waiting for the new software? |
| 23:01.26 | pahartik | jones-: so I would not have to carry iBook G4 along everywhere I go |
| 23:01.55 | jones- | pahartik: you know it's a debian? |
| 23:03.26 | pahartik | jones-: I know things about it, but never really tried using one... I have just seen person showing briefly what it can do, some moons ago |
| 23:03.49 | jones- | well imho the new version is going to be worth buying |
| 23:03.59 | jones- | but i wouldn't have bought the old one |
| 23:04.00 | pahartik | jones-: and I had remote access to one, so I could look around |
| 23:05.06 | pahartik | jones-: I am waiting because I do not have unlimited budget, as unemployed person |
| 23:07.40 | pahartik | jones-: I have heard about problems with screen of current model... but still, it looks like very attractive device |
| 23:07.57 | jones- | don't know anything about screen problems |
| 23:08.05 | jones- | anyway, there will be a new release after summer |
| 23:08.09 | jones- | new hw and new sw |
| 23:08.18 | jones- | voip using gtalk |
| 23:08.20 | jones- | and im using jabber |
| 23:08.52 | pahartik | jones-: is it still ARM device? |
| 23:09.40 | jones- | pahartik: yes |
| 23:10.11 | pahartik | jones-: very good... |
| 23:10.27 | pahartik | jones-: does it have Bluetooth 2.0? |
| 23:11.03 | jones- | i'm not sure, but if you want i can let you know tomorrow |
| 23:13.28 | pahartik | jones-: only if that does not cause you to break some NDA you may have signed... |
| 23:13.52 | jones- | that shouldn't, i'll ask |
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| 23:16.20 | pahartik | jones-: I used PalmOS device quite much before getting iBook G4... I still have it in pocket while carrying iBook G4 |
| 23:17.41 | pahartik | jones-: so I have been planning to get Nokia 770 for over one year, to partially replace both |