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| 03:35.48 | pahartik | avarab: I use "-mcpu=7400" on packages I build for iBook G4... |
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| 04:43.25 | *** topic/#debianppc is Welcome to #debianppc, the channel for the Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the yaboot HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html. | OFTC move: http://tinyurl.com/zehar ; http://tinyurl.com/jtozx |
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| 09:16.00 | jones- | Hi. |
| 09:16.11 | jones- | Why isn't Wine in the repository? |
| 09:16.15 | jones- | Won't it work with PPC? |
| 09:16.23 | johill | bingo |
| 09:18.30 | jones- | Damn. |
| 09:18.40 | jones- | Gotta cross compile and test. |
| 09:19.11 | Corsac | johill: /o/ |
| 09:20.13 | johill | jones-: what are you trying to do?? there's no way wine can work without i386 emulation on ppc |
| 09:20.59 | jones- | johill: yeah, I'm realizing it. I need to produce a windows executable and don't want to bother developing onwindows. So I'm going to cross compile with mingw. But apparently I will have to boot windows to test the program. |
| 09:22.05 | jones- | maybe I could run a x86 linux within Qemu and then use wine from there, but it sounds creepy :) |
| 09:22.16 | johill | then you could just boot windows in qemu |
| 09:22.29 | johill | I've done that on my quad, it's not even too bad if you can dedicate one 2.5GHz CPU to it ;) |
| 09:22.31 | jones- | no need, I have a windows box at work |
| 09:22.38 | jones- | Geez. |
| 09:22.42 | jones- | I have a simple iBook G4. |
| 09:22.46 | _rene_ | jones-: you can build windows executables also on ppc |
| 09:22.51 | _rene_ | jones-: just not run them |
| 09:22.57 | jones- | _rene_: yes, but not try them. |
| 09:23.20 | jones- | _rene_: althought I'm very confident about the goodness of my code, a try every now and then wouldn't be totally disliked :D |
| 09:28.05 | johill | iirc there were some hacks with wine + qemu's single-binary mode |
| 09:28.34 | johill | like installing wine and all necessary i386 libraries, and then running it with qemu |
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| 16:06.26 | galio | hi! |
| 16:06.30 | galio | can someone please give me a hand? |
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| 16:12.10 | galio | hi! |
| 16:12.14 | galio | can someone give me a hand? |
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| 18:13.07 | vladanian | Hi guys -- I'm trying to install Sarge on an xserve g4 -- the first part of the install goes ok, but when it reboots to complete the install, I get the openpic=exit business |
| 18:13.47 | vladanian | When I booted from the install disk, I used "install video=ofonly" but I can't figure out how to pass that argument properly now |
| 18:14.25 | vladanian | I've tried "Linux video=ofonly" "Linux --video=ofonly" "Linux-video=ofonly" etc |
| 18:14.36 | vladanian | Any ideas or pointers? |
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| 18:32.38 | schasi | How did you get a good keymap for your mac? |
| 18:35.08 | Corsac | i made it |
| 18:35.12 | vladanian | So, "Linux video=ofonly" just worked... for historical purposes |
| 18:52.27 | schasi | Corsac: All on your own? |
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| 18:53.33 | damog | shouldn't this channel need to be moved to oftc? |
| 18:53.37 | schasi | without any help i mean |
| 18:54.42 | Corsac | schasi: i started from an existing keymap, iirc |
| 18:54.44 | Corsac | damog: why ? |
| 18:55.00 | damog | Corsac: no reason, just following the official project move |
| 18:56.04 | Corsac | there wasn't channels move, only irc.debian.org move |
| 18:56.41 | johill | the channel exists on both networks now ;) |
| 18:57.37 | damog | Corsac: #debian-devel _did_ move |
| 18:57.47 | damog | and I know some others which also were moved |
| 18:58.12 | damog | anyway, of course there is no real reason, but only following the network and project by itself move |
| 18:58.53 | Corsac | damog: yeah but channels move is decided by each owners i guess |
| 18:59.03 | damog | yeah, i guess |
| 18:59.29 | johill | I guess the question is if we feel 'this is the #debianppc channel on freenode' or 'this is the #debianppc channel on irc.debian.org' |
| 18:59.29 | johill | ;) |
| 18:59.35 | johill | phone, ttyl |
| 19:00.21 | damog | i'd like to think on it as part of irc.debian.org |
| 19:00.58 | Corsac | i joined here from irc.freenode.org rather than from irc.debian.org |
| 19:01.27 | Corsac | btw i'm not connected to "irc.debian.org" but only irc6.oftc.net and irc6.freenode.net |
| 19:03.05 | damog | I think i don't get that |
| 19:03.23 | schasi | Corsac: Because i always miss keys like the pipe and others |
| 19:03.49 | Corsac | what keymap do you have on your powerbook ? |
| 19:08.02 | schasi | I have an ibook, and im running osx at the moment |
| 19:08.10 | schasi | Because i needed Internet and pipes |
| 19:09.51 | Corsac | i have a french keymap for powerbook 5,6 if you need it, but i have | since the beginning on it |
| 19:10.02 | schasi | Where and how? |
| 19:10.08 | schasi | Which key? |
| 19:10.22 | Corsac | like osx, alt+shift+l |
| 19:10.56 | schasi | Thats where my at sign is at |
| 19:11.07 | schasi | I use alt shift and 7 for the pipe |
| 19:11.10 | schasi | on osx |
| 19:11.19 | damog | I use shift + \ |
| 19:11.20 | damog | | |
| 19:12.30 | schasi | Where do you have the backslash? |
| 19:12.45 | Corsac | alt+shift+/ |
| 19:12.53 | schasi | Oh ok i use alt and seven for the pipe and alt shit seven for backslash |
| 19:12.58 | damog | I have an american keyboard |
| 19:13.02 | Corsac | the french keymap is really a pain in the ass :) |
| 19:14.05 | schasi | I have a german one |
| 19:15.49 | damog | I use this: http://www.damog.net/files/misc/ownkeymap |
| 19:16.10 | damog | I that allows the Command key, to act as a level 3 getter |
| 19:16.24 | schasi | Care for a screenshot of your debian install? |
| 19:16.25 | damog | command+shift would be fourth |
| 19:17.04 | damog | debian install? |
| 19:17.42 | schasi | s/install/installation/ |
| 19:17.51 | schasi | woa, nice apt |
| 19:19.29 | damog | you want an screenshot of my desktop? :) |
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| 19:27.13 | jpablo | hey people. |
| 19:27.30 | jpablo | anyone knows if the mol in sid supports tiger? |
| 19:27.35 | jpablo | or should i get it from somewhere else? |
| 19:27.45 | schasi | yes |
| 19:27.55 | schasi | damog: yes |
| 19:28.07 | damog | ok |
| 19:28.28 | damog | is the mol module source working normally? |
| 19:28.43 | damog | take a look at 325418 |
| 19:31.23 | damog | schasi: http://www.damog.net/files/misc/debian-install.png |
| 19:34.35 | Corsac | http://www.corsac.net/images/bureaux/desktop.jpg |
| 19:36.53 | schasi | nice |
| 19:36.56 | damog | ah, btw, I built some gaim2.0.0 beta3 packages for powerpc in case you are willing to try them |
| 19:37.04 | damog | they are not in experimental |
| 19:37.15 | damog | actually I should try to do bin uploads |
| 19:37.28 | schasi | Corsac: How did you get the transparent irssi console? |
| 19:37.33 | schasi | In the background? |
| 19:39.46 | damog | that depends on the terminal emulator |
| 19:40.04 | damog | you can get transparency with Eterm or aterm, afaict |
| 19:40.37 | damog | and gnome-terminal, of course |
| 19:41.06 | schasi | How long did it take you to configure it that way? |
| 19:41.46 | damog | in gnome-terminal is fairly easy |
| 19:41.52 | damog | in the preferences dialog |
| 19:52.08 | damog | http://people.debian.org/~damog/pkgs/gaim/ |
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| 19:58.45 | schasi | how to find out where in a repository a .deb file resides? |
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| 20:00.49 | schasi | you both have a macbook :) I have an ibook G4 |
| 20:02.30 | damog | i dont' have a macbook |
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| 20:04.23 | Corsac | transparent terminal is xfce4-termional |
| 20:08.36 | schasi | damog: But you have a 1280xwhatever screen |
| 20:08.41 | schasi | so you have a powerbook? |
| 20:09.25 | damog | yeap |
| 20:12.53 | schasi | I have several problems with my ibook under debian |
| 20:13.02 | schasi | eg the keyboard |
| 20:13.21 | schasi | Or an annoying console bell, really loud and hefty |
| 20:14.09 | schasi | No pipe in xterm under fluxbox |
| 20:14.11 | schasi | and such |
| 20:28.01 | schasi | very ugly :( |
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| 21:54.16 | jpablo | hey people, what mol package can i use with a recent kernel 2.6.16 or 2.6.17 |
| 21:54.18 | jpablo | to run tiger |
| 22:05.02 | jpablo | is there such a thing ? |
| 22:05.17 | damog | such a thing? |
| 22:05.23 | damog | on what? |
| 22:05.38 | jpablo | a mol package that can be used with a recent kernel and tiger |
| 22:05.45 | jpablo | or a cvs repository |
| 22:05.48 | jpablo | or something |
| 22:06.07 | johill | grab the gentoo sources |
| 22:06.14 | jpablo | johill, where? |
| 22:06.20 | johill | what do I know? I don't run gentoo |
| 22:06.26 | jpablo | amm |
| 22:06.28 | johill | I just happen to know the gentoo mol packager |
| 22:06.51 | johill | and he's doing a good job with it, essentially replacing upstream since that's MIA for 1.5 years |
| 22:07.02 | jpablo | didn't the uptream packager died? |
| 22:07.24 | Corsac | current debian package has problems with ppc/powerpc things in the kernel, iirc |
| 22:07.52 | damog | mol-modules-source, right? |
| 22:08.00 | damog | not mol itself |
| 22:08.06 | jpablo | everybody points to http://dev.gentoo.org/~josejx/ but it doesn't compile in the lastest kernel |
| 22:08.30 | jpablo | i hacked the makefiles and source to disable the ethertap driver but it fails somewhere else |
| 22:10.12 | jpablo | maybe it is this friking experimental toolchain |
| 22:11.30 | johill | jpablo: "upstream packager" sort of makes no sense ;) |
| 22:12.16 | jpablo | with package i mean source |
| 22:12.24 | jpablo | sorry |
| 22:12.33 | jpablo | upstream maintainer or whatever |
| 22:12.43 | johill | I think the former debian maintainer had died or so |
| 22:13.00 | johill | the upstream author is just missing as far as we know |
| 22:13.10 | johill | terrasoft renews the domain so.. |
| 22:13.12 | jpablo | ah |
| 22:13.19 | jpablo | very sad, mol is a great tool |
| 22:13.35 | johill | we've been wanting to revive 'upstream' by replacing it with ourselves ;) |
| 22:13.54 | johill | getting it into a git repo and beating it into shape for a bit |
| 22:13.57 | jpablo | <Pylon> He'll roll a new release next week, when he is back online. |
| 22:14.05 | jpablo | that's what the gentoo people says |
| 22:14.35 | jpablo | i have like 4 diferent tool chains installed :S |
| 22:14.44 | damog | yes, Jens, the former maintainer, passed away |
| 22:20.13 | jpablo | crap, this situation really sucks |
| 22:20.41 | jpablo | mol is great stuff, but it's inability to work with tiger and recent kernels is sad |
| 22:22.59 | johill | it can work with tiger |
| 22:23.07 | johill | and also recent kernels (2.6.16-ish) |
| 22:23.53 | jpablo | yeah but it is a PITA |
| 22:24.43 | damog | well, help is welcome so that cease being anally painful |
| 22:30.19 | jpablo | mm, i can't even make it work myself |
| 22:30.31 | jpablo | well, i just make it work with 2.6.16 |
| 22:30.38 | jpablo | 2.6.17 is a completly diferent beast |
| 22:31.27 | jpablo | there are to many gcc updates in sid :S |
| 22:31.38 | johill | not that this has anything to do with gcc... |
| 22:32.23 | jpablo | it adds to the mess |
| 22:32.31 | jpablo | you have to compile the kernel and mol with the same toolchain |
| 22:33.35 | jpablo | I just run across: mol: version magic '2.6.16-rc6 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.16-rc6 gcc-4.0' |
| 22:35.14 | jpablo | i think mol lack of care are sings of deibanppc start of a slow dead |
| 22:36.09 | jpablo | i'll have to buy a crappy ibm or something :( |
| 22:36.28 | johill | wow, you're encouraging today. |
| 22:36.48 | jpablo | killme please |
| 22:36.49 | jpablo | hehe |
| 22:36.56 | johill | I'll make note to add some pitfalls just for you if I ever fix up mol ;0 |
| 22:37.28 | jpablo | if user = 'jpablo'; failrandomly (); |
| 22:40.41 | damog | it is not you |
| 22:46.11 | jpablo | crap how i disable this friking non-verbose output |
| 22:50.14 | jpablo | who had the great idea of disabling compiler output, stupid people don't compile stuff anyway |
| 22:50.35 | jpablo | and the standar verbose env var doesn't work :S |
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| 23:32.04 | damog | fuck |
| 23:32.07 | damog | fucking kid |
