| 00:35.20 | nefertum | i have an script i'd like to be run when starting the machine |
| 00:35.40 | nefertum | but it doesnt have any way to manage Start or Kill methods |
| 00:35.56 | nefertum | how could I add it to the booting? |
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| 08:00.02 | johill | anyone know how to write a udev rule for something that has no kernel device? |
| 08:04.33 | johill | nvmd |
| 08:31.13 | Corsac | hmh, there is now way to have kernel panics redirected to another terminal ? |
| 08:31.20 | Corsac | like an ssh console |
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| 08:35.29 | johill | don't think so |
| 08:35.33 | johill | serial console :) |
| 08:35.37 | johill | or maybe netconsole |
| 08:36.40 | johill | nah, if the kernel panics, how should userland still draw it on an xterm or whatever? |
| 08:38.23 | johill | hey |
| 08:38.24 | johill | linux spammers |
| 08:38.32 | johill | Subject: [RTLWS8-CFP] Eighth Real-Time Linux Workshop 2nd CFP |
| 08:38.38 | johill | sent to two dozen addresses |
| 08:38.39 | johill | haha |
| 08:38.44 | johill | "We apologize for multiple receipts." |
| 08:51.24 | Corsac | johill: the linux is running on vmware |
| 08:51.39 | Corsac | but the screen is too small to display the complete stacktrace :( |
| 08:51.43 | johill | oh |
| 08:51.49 | johill | then you can probably use a serial console though |
| 08:52.33 | Corsac | i don't really know how :) |
| 08:52.48 | Corsac | i use vmware-server-console because my vmwares run on a distant server |
| 08:53.03 | Corsac | and I can't see a "serial console" on it |
| 08:53.40 | johill | oh |
| 08:54.12 | johill | I don't know then. you're probably using a text mode though, maybe vmware can be instructed to log that? |
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| 11:43.41 | Piranha | Question of the century: The installation manual references "boot-floppy-hfs." This isn't in Sarge, near as I can tell. |
| 11:44.29 | Piranha | I'm trying to install Sarge on an OldWorld machine. I'm not sure if I'm using the wrong floppies, my floppies are too old, Debian simply doesn't provide the right floppies, or if my floppy drive is flaky with dust. |
| 11:45.00 | Piranha | Also: BOOTP booting won't work. The client just keeps requesting an address. OF 1.0.5. Clues? |
| 11:45.21 | Piranha | Debian says BOOTP on OW is "unsupported;" NetBSD begs to differ. |
| 11:56.32 | pahartik | Piranha: NetBSD claims that Debian GNU/Linux supports booting Linux kernel from network on OldWorld PowerPC? |
| 11:57.15 | Piranha | NetBSD's documentation implies OF1.0.5 supports network booting. |
| 11:57.52 | Piranha | It may be Debian unsupported, but at least it would be a concrete option. As opposed to mystery floppy images of yesterstable. |
| 11:58.42 | pahartik | Piranha: anyway, use "BootX" to boot Debian installer from traditional MacOS |
| 11:59.22 | Piranha | It'd probably be faster net-installing Woody or dusting off old CD-ROM media than installing Mac OS 9. |
| 12:01.15 | Piranha | In fact, this is even sillier than I initially imagined. I'll want 2.6. |
| 12:01.28 | Piranha | But it's my only system with six functional PCI slots. Sigh. |
| 12:02.23 | Piranha | It's this or pick another random Pentium board and hope I don't get SIGSEGVs on it too. |
| 12:02.28 | Piranha | Like the last two routers I set up. |
| 12:02.30 | Piranha | I'm a cynic. |
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| 12:45.20 | pahartik | Piranha: recent Linux 2.6 kernel is running on all of my PowerPC hosts |
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| 14:24.45 | johill_ | funky |
| 14:24.56 | johill_ | can someone paste Q-FUNK's quit message? it seems to make xchat crash ;) |
| 14:25.37 | johill_ | or maybe that was just fluke |
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| 14:27.25 | johill_ | sorry |
| 14:31.09 | johill_ | no one here? :/ |
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| 14:32.36 | Corsac | yeah ? |
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| 15:00.47 | Corsac | johill: problems ? |
| 15:01.00 | johill | Corsac: xchat crashes when you paste binary junk :) |
| 15:01.04 | johill | even when you /query me |
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| 15:02.30 | Corsac | i use irssi |
| 15:02.42 | Corsac | but above all, i don't really often paste binary junk :) |
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| 15:45.45 | Piranha | pahartik: OldWorld is often something else. Do you have such a system running 2.6? |
| 15:46.14 | Piranha | It's been a very long time since I've done much tinkering with Linux on PPC. I think I have had 2.6 work on this machine, come to think of it. |
| 15:46.52 | Piranha | Survey (backup) says: 2.6.5. Okay. |
| 15:47.59 | Piranha | Besides that this PM9500 is the best choice hardware-wise for what I need, the only thing i386 I can pull that may be reliable is my Hurd system. And though I never actually touch it, every stupid Linux quirk is pushing me towards it. |
| 15:48.07 | Piranha | Yeah. I'm sure you don't care for the play-by-play. |
| 15:54.30 | pahartik | Piranha: Linux 2.6.14 on DVB server 1 (PowerMacintosh 7500, old kernel because of experimental DVB-C drivers that two tuners on it need until DVB drivers that come with kernel are fixed), Linux 2.6.17 on DVB server 2 (PowerMacintosh 7300), Linux 2.6.15 on PowerMacintosh 5500 (I just wanted to see if Linux kernel binary provided by Debian can be made to work, usually I use custom kernel packages), Linux 2.6.17 on main workstati |
| 15:55.00 | Piranha | Hip. |
| 15:55.42 | pahartik | Piranha: define "play-by-play"? |
| 15:56.41 | Piranha | My aimless ranting about things irrelevant to the channel. |
| 15:57.21 | pahartik | Piranha: and I would like to have more PCI slots, just like in Powermacintosh 9500... wanted to have one as DVB server but have not found any |
| 15:57.44 | Piranha | What kind of CPUs in the DVB servers? Stock? |
| 15:57.55 | pahartik | Piranha: and what about "Survey"? |
| 15:58.31 | pahartik | Piranha: PowerPC 604e on PowerMacintosh 7500 and PowerMacintosh 7300 |
| 15:58.37 | Piranha | Kind of a vague expression/cliché. Meaning "The result is..." |
| 16:01.20 | Corsac | did someone tried grub2 on debian ppc ? |
| 16:01.25 | Corsac | the package currently in archive |
| 16:03.20 | pahartik | Corsac: I am not brave enough to try that... |
| 16:03.39 | Piranha | Wow. I didn't know GRUB made it past i386. |
| 16:04.05 | Piranha | I'd adore GRUB on my Mac, vs. Quik. |
| 16:05.12 | Piranha | Hah. "Real memory management, to make GNU GRUB more extensible." |
| 16:05.18 | Corsac | hem, i don't really know if it would run on oldworld |
| 16:05.23 | Piranha | "But my bootloader has a generational GC!" |
| 16:05.41 | Piranha | "My bootloader is Turing complete!" |
| 16:05.56 | Piranha | "My bootloader is an Emacs mode!" |
| 16:07.13 | Piranha | "Cross-platform installation which allows for installing GRUB from a different architecture." |
| 16:07.40 | Piranha | Gee, I hope that means I can do far less exotic chores, like transfer my system from one disk to another. (Ever try that with GRUB?) |
| 16:10.58 | Piranha | Corsac: Not finding many details on the Wiki. |
| 16:11.16 | Piranha | But there is this revealing bit: "<strong>Do not delete yaboot.</strong> You will need it when something goes wrong and GRUB fails to boot." |
| 16:11.26 | Corsac | :) |
| 16:12.08 | Piranha | Yeah, um. |
| 16:12.28 | Piranha | After I blow 4 hours getting things up to snuff, I think I'll make the foolish mistake of trying this out. |
| 16:12.34 | Piranha | Because Quik makes me cry. |
| 16:14.20 | pahartik | Piranha: does "quik" not work for booting Linux on your PowerMacintosh 9500 from on-board SCSI harddisk? |
| 16:14.46 | Piranha | It does. It's just incredibly opaque. Lots of finagling. Not much leeway when things turn south. |
| 16:15.22 | Piranha | As I recall. It's been years. |
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| 16:16.02 | Piranha | I don't know. I see many entries for old kernels in my old quik.conf, so maybe it's not as terrible as I thought. |
| 16:17.36 | Piranha | As of 2006-02-10, GRUB2 doesn't support OW: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-02/msg00031.html |
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| 16:18.16 | Piranha | I know. I hope you were sitting down for that one. |
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| 16:42.21 | *** topic/#debianppc is Welcome to #debianppc, the channel for the Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the yaboot HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html. | OFTC move: http://tinyurl.com/zehar ; http://tinyurl.com/jtozx |
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| 16:47.05 | Piranha | Ah, the thrill. The wonder. |
| 16:47.55 | Piranha | The framebuffer in a mode exceeding your monitor's capabilities. Half-blindly executing getty to the serial line from tty2. Trying 10 times to kill baseconfig on tty1. Running base-config at 38400 baud. |
| 16:51.55 | Piranha | To ever think this was a bad idea. |
| 16:52.08 | Piranha | Foolish, hard-nosed pragmatism. |
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