| 00:28.47 | Obscene_CNN__ | how do I build a kernel image? I tried the make-kpkg followed by 'dpkg -i' and ended up with a machine that wouldn't boot because it couldn't find the ram disk. |
| 01:52.19 | simonrvn | don't build with initrd/ramdisk enabled... |
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| 10:02.04 | makklinux | hi |
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| 10:13.01 | makklinux | hi |
| 10:51.23 | makklinux | hello? |
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| 11:04.27 | pahartik | hello makklinux |
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| 11:39.52 | makklinux | hi |
| 11:39.56 | makklinux | are you there? |
| 11:40.19 | makklinux | I am installing Debian for imac, I would info on what kinda X configuratino it needs |
| 11:48.39 | pahartik | makklinux: most likely ATI frame buffer driver... |
| 11:49.37 | pahartik | makklinux: have you installed "xserver-xorg" or "xserver-xfree86"? |
| 12:04.34 | makklinux | not yet |
| 12:04.45 | makklinux | I will do this right about now |
| 12:04.58 | makklinux | which one is better?? |
| 12:05.23 | pahartik | makklinux: "xserver-xorg" is more recent |
| 12:08.23 | makklinux | pahartik: does it come with an installer or do I have to do it manually with xorg.config file? |
| 12:09.44 | pahartik | makklinux: both are available as Debian binary package... "dpkg-reconfigure" can be used on either |
| 12:10.38 | makklinux | I'll be out for a lil as I am going to change putters |
| 12:10.55 | makklinux | hopefully I will be back with irssi from the debian one |
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| 12:56.38 | debbon | hi |
| 12:56.51 | debbon | I have weird keyboard issues |
| 12:58.51 | debbon | nothing is where it's supposed to be, on top of that before loging in is something and after login is something else |
| 13:08.34 | pahartik | debbon: maybe you should edit "/etc/console-tools/config"? |
| 13:09.39 | debbon | another thing, is modular xorg available for debian ppc? |
| 13:10.09 | pahartik | debbon: I suppose it is |
| 13:10.12 | debbon | some tell me that's available at #debian but it's not on my aptitude |
| 13:10.29 | debbon | I have sarge.. do I need a special mirror? |
| 13:12.58 | pahartik | debbon: "http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=xserver-xorg" |
| 13:16.17 | pahartik | debbon: you need to edit "/etc/apt/sources.list" and "/etc/apt/preferences" to be able to choose packages from any branch... "stable", "testing", "unstable", "experimental" |
| 13:16.57 | debbon | pahartik: what xorg are you running? |
| 13:18.52 | pahartik | debbon: on my main workstation, "xserver-xorg 1:7.0.22" |
| 13:20.19 | debbon | damn¡¡ at debian channel I am being warned sternly about using this |
| 13:20.35 | debbon | what's the source address? |
| 13:21.33 | debbon | sorry I don't have a gui ATM and unable to browse |
| 13:24.40 | pahartik | debbon: "/debian/pool/main/x/xorg/" on Debian FTP archive mirror... |
| 13:27.53 | debbon | I don't have /etc/apt/preferences should I just create it? |
| 13:33.45 | pahartik | debbon: I have them like this: "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/etc-apt-sources.list", "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/etc-apt-preferences" |
| 13:34.53 | pahartik | debbon: (Debian archive mirror I use is of course one located closest to me...) |
| 13:43.02 | debbon | is not ported to ppc anyways |
| 13:44.54 | pahartik | debbon: my closest Debian archive mirror is not ported to "ppc"? |
| 13:45.23 | debbon | I was looking at backports |
| 13:46.34 | debbon | ok once again |
| 13:47.06 | debbon | those line that you wrote are supposed to be in source.list and the second in apt preferences? |
| 13:49.01 | pahartik | debbon: those URLs refer to exact copies of files I currently have... |
| 13:50.24 | debbon | pahartik: lol aha it's a webpage, right? |
| 13:52.42 | pahartik | debbon: yes, if you insist on calling "ASCII plain text document" that... |
| 13:53.31 | debbon | pahartik: lol sorry for the confusion, thanks |
| 13:58.39 | debbon | I am trying to configure the usb mouse what kinda driver is? |
| 14:00.32 | debbon | great¡¡ I don't have middle butto¡¡ |
| 14:00.52 | pahartik | debbon: generic HID driver, should show up in "/dev/input/" |
| 14:01.31 | debbon | pahartik: how do you paste with a mono button mac mouse? I can select but not paste |
| 14:03.14 | pahartik | debbon: define keyboard keys to act as mouse buttons... "sudo sysctl -a | grep mouse_button" |
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| 14:28.36 | debbon | pahartik: after that what do I do? |
| 14:29.32 | debbon | I did grep it |
| 14:37.18 | pahartik | debbon: figure out which keyboard keys you want to bind mouse buttons 2 and 3 to... and find out keycodes by "showkey" |
| 14:39.50 | debbon | ctrl is a good choice right? |
| 14:40.11 | debbon | I only need the 2 button |
| 14:43.04 | debbon | ok grep tells me the secdon button to be 97 and showkey tells me that the letter I is 97 |
| 14:43.32 | debbon | but how I am supposed to connect all this together now? |
| 14:47.32 | schasi | guess. that's how it worked out for me |
| 14:48.08 | schasi | i used showkey and xev and some others. i tried until i found out the right key |
| 14:50.32 | schasi | And i somehow managed to have the same keymap on the console and under x |
| 14:54.31 | debbon | cntrl + click , right? |
| 14:54.54 | debbon | by the way my keyboard is a mess, is there a place where to pick APPLE keyboard? |
| 14:55.00 | debbon | nothing is on its's place |
| 14:59.44 | schasi | I found some nice tutorials via google when i was searching for that problem |
| 14:59.56 | schasi | But with etch my keyboard was configured nicely |
| 15:00.15 | schasi | All the shown keys seem to be on place |
| 15:00.16 | debbon | damn I've installed sarge.. |
| 15:00.21 | schasi | The pipe is somewhere else though |
| 15:00.57 | schasi | but $%/)(/ are on the same keys |
| 15:01.02 | schasi | {[]}\ not |
| 15:01.08 | debbon | how do I update aptitude after some changes on the config files? |
| 15:01.30 | debbon | I'll wait till get into X for doing all this |
| 15:06.42 | schasi | aptitude update could do this |
| 15:06.53 | debbon | thanks |
| 15:07.05 | schasi | or you go into aptitude and press the right key |
| 15:08.14 | debbon | it's working... |
| 15:08.32 | debbon | schasi: do you have xorg 7 by any chance? |
| 15:08.54 | schasi | dunno |
| 15:08.55 | schasi | y? |
| 15:09.55 | schasi | should have, as i use testing and its the versio nthere |
| 15:10.33 | debbon | because that's what I am trying to install... should've installed etch to begin with |
| 15:11.17 | schasi | why that? |
| 15:11.23 | schasi | What doesnt work with sarge? |
| 15:12.59 | debbon | just wondering whether I will be able to make it run under sarge |
| 15:13.10 | schasi | make what run? xorg? |
| 15:13.16 | schasi | What kind of machine do you have? |
| 15:14.09 | debbon | imac 233mhz |
| 15:14.28 | debbon | quite old with 254 MB of RAM 4 G hdd |
| 15:15.04 | schasi | should suffice |
| 15:15.08 | schasi | What do you want to do with it? |
| 15:16.19 | debbon | simple end-user stuff, I wanna install fluxbox though |
| 15:16.40 | schasi | What kind of end user? |
| 15:17.11 | debbon | internet email, music dvd, that's it |
| 15:17.42 | debbon | now my aptitude is crippled |
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| 15:23.08 | schasi | huh? |
| 15:23.16 | schasi | music dvd? |
| 15:24.41 | debbon | yeah |
| 15:24.46 | debbon | why? |
| 15:24.53 | debbon | it has a dvd reader |
| 15:26.06 | schasi | Does it have a network port? |
| 15:26.14 | schasi | And why is your aptitude "crippled"? |
| 15:26.45 | debbon | because of one file not reading it correctly or something to that effect |
| 15:26.51 | debbon | what's this? E: dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 15:26.56 | debbon | like that |
| 15:27.22 | schasi | search for google, that is a common problem and there is a fix iirc |
| 15:27.22 | debbon | now it's ok, I think it was the freaking ftp mirror |
| 15:27.38 | schasi | i meant "search on google" |
| 15:28.40 | debbon | I've changed mirror now is ok |
| 15:29.05 | debbon | but I doesn't show me either xorg 6.9 neither 7.* ??? |
| 15:29.38 | debbon | I don't know how pahartik managed to do it |
| 15:30.34 | schasi | maybe you need contrib and non-free |
| 15:30.37 | schasi | i dunno |
| 15:31.06 | debbon | ok |
| 15:32.36 | debbon | I have everything with contrib and i doubt non-free has anything to do with that |
| 15:32.49 | debbon | maaan I am a lil desperate without X¡¡ |
| 15:33.59 | schasi | what does aptitude update && aptitude search xserver show? |
| 15:36.49 | debbon | doesn't show a number |
| 15:36.53 | debbon | just that it's there |
| 15:37.02 | schasi | which packages? |
| 15:37.38 | debbon | xorg-server but didn't give me a version number |
| 15:38.00 | schasi | Why should it? |
| 15:38.18 | schasi | aptitude search does only show the packages name and a part of the description |
| 15:38.26 | debbon | and xserver-xorg is 6.8 |
| 15:38.35 | debbon | something I am doing wrong |
| 15:38.41 | schasi | i A xserver-xorg - the X.Org X server |
| 15:38.47 | schasi | How do you know? |
| 15:38.57 | debbon | yes I have that one |
| 15:39.05 | debbon | because it tells me right there |
| 15:39.07 | debbon | in aptitude |
| 15:39.43 | schasi | do you have ssh? |
| 15:40.36 | debbon | schasi: nope |
| 15:41.02 | debbon | schasi: what do you have in your source.list? |
| 15:42.00 | debbon | since I don't have any X installed I'd like to start with modular from the onset so I don't have to mess around with weird updates and conflicts |
| 15:43.09 | debbon | do I have to do something especial in order for xorg 7 to show up in aptitude? |
| 15:44.20 | schasi | nope |
| 15:44.29 | schasi | testing in sources.list should do afaik |
| 15:44.36 | debbon | aha¡¡¡ |
| 15:45.05 | debbon | lol is like one of those stable contrib non-free options? |
| 15:46.00 | schasi | huh? |
| 15:46.05 | debbon | can testing be next to stable? in which should I put it? |
| 15:46.11 | schasi | ok slow |
| 15:46.14 | schasi | What do you want to do? |
| 15:46.15 | schasi | use stable? |
| 15:46.20 | schasi | Or testing? |
| 15:46.27 | debbon | I have sarge but I wanna install xorg 7 |
| 15:46.39 | schasi | *sig* why not install testing? |
| 15:46.44 | debbon | my install CD was stable |
| 15:46.49 | debbon | I know... |
| 15:47.09 | schasi | Or, if you want to keep stable, you could try a) backports or b) pinning |
| 15:47.22 | debbon | schasi: I have that thing pinning... |
| 15:47.32 | debbon | but don't know how to use it |
| 15:47.51 | debbon | I coppied what pahartik showed me |
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| 15:49.30 | schasi | normally, if you use two releases via pinning, apt-cache show <somepackage> should show you two versions of that package |
| 15:49.36 | schasi | try that with apt-cache show vim |
| 15:49.42 | schasi | should show 6.4 and 7 |
| 15:49.45 | schasi | or 6.3 |
| 15:49.49 | debbon | aha... |
| 15:50.58 | schasi | and to install a package from the pinned release you can do something like aptitude install -t target-release <package> |
| 15:51.33 | debbon | it only shows me vim 6.3 |
| 15:51.56 | debbon | in backports page I didn't see xorg 7 for ppc |
| 15:52.04 | schasi | So there seems to be something wrong with you pinning, right? |
| 15:52.33 | debbon | is a file in /etc/apt/preferences right? |
| 15:53.04 | debbon | I coppied what pahartik has |
| 15:54.00 | schasi | a file? |
| 15:54.13 | schasi | Why dont you just upgrade to testing? |
| 15:54.58 | debbon | here http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/apt-etc-preferences |
| 15:55.16 | debbon | schasi: how could I do that? |
| 15:55.43 | debbon | is it difficult? ATM I only have the base install and I am in freaking cli |
| 15:56.13 | schasi | Why dont you just go with xfree86 btw? |
| 15:56.45 | debbon | because I have an old system and xfree is a bloat modular xorg is lean and mean |
| 15:57.10 | debbon | I can dl just the drivers I need instead everything available under the skies |
| 15:58.50 | debbon | do I have the pinning properly set up? |
| 16:01.38 | schasi | i dunno. i lack the skill to remotely look into files without any connection |
| 16:02.52 | schasi | Testing may break on you though |
| 16:05.08 | debbon | ok so then I'll stick to xorg 6.8 |
| 16:07.43 | schasi | I would update or use apt pinning as soon as i can reason it |
| 16:07.57 | schasi | l8er |
| 16:09.32 | schasi | try whatever works, and if it doesnt, try something else |
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| 16:47.05 | zlost1 | how can i change the default behavior of the adb mouse to simulate a right click when controll is pressed |
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| 17:24.48 | debbon | hi |
| 17:25.00 | debbon | suddenly I can't log in as root |
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| 17:47.25 | debbon | when configuring X and the keyboard option should I select machintosh_new for an imac? |
| 17:47.37 | debbon | there is a machintosh_old option |
| 17:51.00 | debbon | grate |
| 18:17.23 | debbon | any tricks to make xorg run on ppc? |
| 18:17.27 | debbon | on an imac? |
| 18:26.11 | chrisa | Not in my experience at least |
| 18:26.22 | chrisa | Anything xfree86 worked on has worked flawlessly for me |
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| 20:25.26 | dreamind | nite |
| 20:57.24 | zlost1 | how can i make my adb mouse have a right click |
| 21:12.13 | pahartik | zlost1: by buying mouse with more buttons... |
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| 21:16.10 | zlost1 | wow why didnt i think of that |
| 21:20.21 | zlost1 | i thought they only sold them with 1 button |
| 21:21.07 | zlost1 | i found this one with 15 buttons on it, but i only use it when attempting to iritate people in linux help rooms |
| 21:21.32 | zlost1 | can i lick your balls so i know what gods sweat tastes like |
| 21:21.38 | zlost1 | brainiack |
| 21:30.07 | pahartik | zlost1: I suppose persons at those "help rooms" got irritated and told you to come to this channel |
| 21:35.40 | zlost1 | no jackass this IS a help room for debian ppc. if you dont like helping it might be much easier on everyone if you STFU. |
| 21:38.55 | _rene_ | zlost1: he is right. you can't have a right click with a one-button mouse |
| 21:39.09 | _rene_ | *except* when you emulate the second button by some key |
| 21:39.13 | _rene_ | but that's not what you asked |
| 21:39.25 | _rene_ | you asked how to get a right click with the mouse - which *is* not possible |
| 21:40.23 | johill | hansmi's inputd might be able to emulate a right button with ctrl-button1 |
| 21:40.23 | johill | except |
| 21:40.23 | _rene_ | unless you have a mouse with >= 2 buttons |
| 21:40.23 | johill | it's not really written yet :) |
| 21:40.27 | _rene_ | zlost1: I have the right mouse button on F11 FWIW |
| 21:40.47 | johill | does anyone have experience with digitizer pads? |
| 21:42.40 | pahartik | zlost1: this is "IRC channel", not "room" |
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| 21:56.55 | zlost1 | its not necessary to be a smart ass |
| 21:57.04 | zlost1 | he knew what i meant |
| 21:57.50 | zlost1 | the solution is "mouseemu" |
| 22:14.13 | _rene_ | no, it's not. it's normal sysctl |
| 22:14.25 | _rene_ | map it to F11 and you are done |
| 22:14.39 | _rene_ | mouseemu interestingly makes problems with pbbuttonsd |
| 22:14.51 | _rene_ | (at least did, not sure whether that's fixed in the meanwhile) |
| 22:15.11 | johill | _rene_: which will be removed in 2.6.19'ish, I'd say |
| 22:15.23 | johill | we're going to migrate it all into userspace |
| 22:15.31 | _rene_ | wtf? |
| 22:15.45 | johill | maybe it'll stick around longer, dunno |
| 22:15.53 | johill | but it's going to be deprecated anyway |
| 22:20.05 | johill | _rene_: the idea is that we can just have a userspace daemon that exclusively opens the keyboard through /dev/input/eventX, and creates /dev/input/eventY using uinput |
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| 23:23.06 | zlost1 | i wouldnt know how to map sysctl |
| 23:24.28 | zlost1 | at one point someone showd me how to map it to ctrl click |
| 23:24.46 | zlost1 | i dont remember how or where |
| 23:27.41 | _rene__ | zlost1: use google? there's dozens of sites describing that. |
| 23:27.45 | _rene__ | but for the record: |
| 23:27.59 | _rene__ | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1 |
| 23:27.59 | _rene__ | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=68 # F10: middle button |
| 23:27.59 | _rene__ | dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode=87 # F11: right button |
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