| 00:49.40 | zlost1 | i gogled as suggested and found nothing |
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| 02:11.12 | Gnuman | Is it within the scope of this channel to discuss Linux on the new Intel based MacBooks? |
| 02:12.10 | Gnuman | and if so, what is the compatability|kernel/software support like? |
| 02:16.04 | pahartik | Gnuman: no, we are annoyed because Apple switched to crappy legacy CPU architecture |
| 02:26.23 | Gnuman | Heh, OK, so I'm not the only one. . . |
| 02:27.40 | Gnuman | so my options are a refurb unit, ebay, or staying with my clamshell. . . |
| 02:27.56 | Gnuman | the early firewire one. . . |
| 02:28.12 | Gnuman | Oh, that is something Icould ask about. . . |
| 02:28.52 | Gnuman | I seem to be unable to locate TFM on how to connect drive by firewire. . . |
| 02:29.25 | Gnuman | I can find all sorts of info on hooking up digicams, but nothing on a drive. . . |
| 02:29.56 | Gnuman | I know that with USB, you mount it as a SCSI drive |
| 02:31.06 | Gnuman | but what about firewire? What does the system see when you plug a drive enclosure with a (say) 120G drive in it. Or even a DVD burner |
| 02:31.21 | pahartik | Gnuman: IEEE-1394 harddisk shows up as SCSI device |
| 02:31.35 | Gnuman | OK, good. Thanks |
| 02:31.40 | Gnuman | Hmmm. . . |
| 02:31.50 | pahartik | Gnuman: IEEE-1394 DVD-ROM shows up as SCSI device |
| 02:32.27 | Gnuman | if you have one on each bus (one on a USB and one on a 1394) which one would be sda? |
| 02:33.17 | Gnuman | pahartik: I figured that if a drive showed up as SCCSI, the DVD would also. . . |
| 02:34.15 | Gnuman | as they are both ATAPI drives |
| 02:34.41 | Gnuman | do you know which bus has precedence? |
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| 02:35.35 | pahartik | Gnuman: first device that gets detected shows up as first device... |
| 02:35.35 | Gnuman | and in an early clamshell (firewire) what would the eth2 device actually be? |
| 02:36.11 | Gnuman | eth0 is ethernet, AirPort is eth1, what is showing up as eth2? |
| 02:36.19 | Gnuman | pahartik: thanks |
| 02:37.26 | pahartik | Gnuman: it is most probably "eth1394" network interface |
| 02:38.02 | Gnuman | cool! |
| 02:38.23 | Gnuman | Hmm is that used by anything useful? |
| 02:38.54 | pahartik | Gnuman: it can be used for networking |
| 02:38.58 | Gnuman | or can I chop that out of the kernel without harm? |
| 02:39.16 | Gnuman | I need a special dongle, though. Right? |
| 02:39.37 | Gnuman | to connect it? |
| 02:40.10 | pahartik | Gnuman: to use it, one needs two Linux hosts with IEEE-1394 adapter and IEEE-1394 cable between them |
| 02:40.34 | Gnuman | and is it really useful, when I already have 10/100 ethernet and 802.11b WiFi? |
| 02:40.49 | Gnuman | Ahhh, so I can chop it out pretty easily then |
| 02:41.02 | Gnuman | as I will not likely be using it. |
| 02:42.10 | pahartik | Gnuman: I have used it... between iBook G4 and Alpha workstation |
| 02:43.33 | Gnuman | Perhaps, but my desktop does not have firewire. It does, however, have 10/100 ethernet |
| 02:43.54 | Gnuman | which is likely faster. . .is it not? |
| 02:45.16 | pahartik | Gnuman: "eth1394" is especially useful if hosts have enough CPU power to move more data than 100 megabit ethernet allows |
| 02:46.01 | Gnuman | Ahhhh |
| 02:46.50 | Gnuman | so a firewire 400 port would act like 400 megabit ethernet? |
| 02:47.06 | pahartik | Gnuman: or if one wants physically separate LAN and WAN... |
| 02:47.10 | Gnuman | similar for FW800? |
| 02:48.25 | Gnuman | what kind of CPU is needed to outpace 100 megabit ethernet? |
| 02:49.42 | Gnuman | my desktop (intel) is a P4 @ 2Ghz |
| 02:50.31 | Gnuman | more than enough? |
| 02:50.59 | pahartik | Gnuman: I do not know really... I have tested Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 and PRO/1000 on PowerMacintosh with 166 MHz PowerPC 604e |
| 02:52.47 | Gnuman | KK |
| 02:52.52 | pahartik | Gnuman: both gave something like 6 megabytes per second when reading from NFS... |
| 02:53.42 | Gnuman | still does not seem likely that I'll be using it. . . |
| 02:53.58 | Gnuman | thanks for clearing that up, though |
| 02:54.18 | pahartik | Gnuman: they are decent ethernet adapters, not like cheap whatever RTL8139 or NE2000 chips |
| 02:55.14 | Gnuman | yeah, but I do not have a likely connection for it |
| 02:56.07 | pahartik | Gnuman: IEEE-1394 is nice thing to have |
| 02:56.19 | Gnuman | yes, it is. |
| 02:57.39 | Gnuman | I've got an enclosure waiting for me at my local supplier |
| 02:59.26 | Gnuman | I expect to be using it extensively |
| 02:59.57 | Gnuman | first as a backup drive, then as a DVD burner/reader |
| 03:00.16 | pahartik | Gnuman: very good |
| 03:03.11 | Gnuman | Yes, I'll be using the external drive created with this as a backup device during an OS upgrade. . . |
| 03:04.12 | Gnuman | then, I'll take the hdd out (putting it back into the USB enclosure), and install a DVD burner in it. . . |
| 03:04.30 | Gnuman | That way I get my movies on my laptop again |
| 03:04.53 | Gnuman | and I can rip and burn them if needed (Shhhhhhhh!) |
| 03:05.16 | Gnuman | for my own archive, of course. . . |
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| 06:14.14 | nuubae | hi |
| 06:14.21 | nuubae | anyone in here? |
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| 13:59.05 | xmb | is there the mac font for linux |
| 14:04.41 | pahartik | xmb: define "mac font"? |
| 14:04.55 | xmb | OS 7 - 9 |
| 16:03.29 | xmb | nope, sad |
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