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| 13:24.41 | benoitc | mmm anyone know if here is any possibility to have modem working on a powerbook5,6 ? |
| 13:24.49 | benoitc | lspci don't detect it |
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| 14:27.37 | leo__ | hi |
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| 14:42.13 | leo__ | anyone know where i can find linuxppc game ports ? |
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| 14:43.43 | Curalton | linuxgamepublishing has one or two, but other than that there are only the opensource ones |
| 14:44.25 | Corsac | quake* |
| 14:44.49 | leo__ | ah, ok :( |
| 14:45.01 | leo__ | what's the url of linuxgamepublishing ? |
| 14:45.10 | Curalton | linuxgamepublishing.co.uk iirc |
| 14:45.43 | Curalton | no, .com |
| 14:46.04 | Curalton | http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com/ |
| 15:14.49 | leo__ | thx |
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| 15:30.05 | leo__ | hum... how can i install mplayer with my ecth distrib ? |
| 15:30.19 | leo__ | when i type apt-get install maplyer it says the package is available elsewhere... |
| 15:32.12 | Curalton | mplayer isnt in debian because of license issues iirc |
| 15:33.03 | leo__ | ok, so ? :) |
| 15:34.26 | Curalton | erm debian-multimedia.org has it |
| 15:34.36 | Curalton | dont know if for ppc as well |
| 15:37.14 | leo__ | ok |
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| 15:43.11 | leo__ | arg, seems like there's nothing for ppc :( |
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| 15:44.08 | Curalton | compile yourself :D |
| 16:04.56 | leo__ | on my g3 it would take ages.. |
| 16:05.05 | leo__ | ok, managed to install it anyway |
| 16:05.26 | leo__ | hum... is tv output of ati gfx cards supposed to work btw ? |
| 16:22.46 | Curalton | never tried |
| 16:25.44 | leo__ | hum... guess i'll have to try then.. |
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| 19:45.39 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to get java to work properly on an ibook - I installed the IBM 1.5 java kit and it runs fine from commandline, but the browser plugin is a pain. Is there a way to get gcjwebplugin to work with IBM java instead of gcj itself? |
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| 19:55.49 | Gnuman | Hmmm, it seems that the etch installer does not do WEP well on PPC |
| 19:57.54 | Gnuman | it also places my AirPort at eth2, with my built in ethernet (expected) and some other ethernet host before it |
| 19:58.56 | Gnuman | is anyone alive in here that knows anything about this? |
| 19:59.34 | Corsac | if eth2 bother you, just use udev rules or ifrename |
| 20:00.13 | Gnuman | also, it seems that 2.6.17.x has difficulty with the 8.5k if unallocated space on the end of my drive |
| 20:00.30 | Gnuman | well, this is just in the installer, that it doies this |
| 20:00.35 | Gnuman | does |
| 20:00.50 | Gnuman | more hassle than it is worth for an install. . . |
| 20:01.52 | Gnuman | more of a problem is the massive bad-block messages I get on startup with a 2.6.17 kernel |
| 20:02.29 | Gnuman | the unallocated space at the end of the drived is too small to make into a filesystem. . . |
| 20:04.07 | Gnuman | is there a way to turn this behaviour off? |
| 20:05.18 | Gnuman | the installer does the same thing as my "roll your own" kernel |
| 20:05.21 | Alver | Gnuman: 8.5 kilobytes aren't worth it really :) |
| 20:05.40 | Gnuman | the startup messaged are |
| 20:06.11 | Gnuman | the kernel is probing the unallocated space, and coming back with errors |
| 20:07.56 | Alver | I see |
| 20:08.17 | Alver | The etch install I have is somewhat older, using a 2.6.15 something kernel |
| 20:08.32 | Alver | Works just fine, except for the airport extreme |
| 20:08.42 | Gnuman | it is only 6 or 10 blocks. . . |
| 20:13.35 | Gnuman | yeah, I rolled a 2.6.15 kernel and had no problems. . . |
| 20:14.13 | Gnuman | I do not have the extreme (yet), but I want to run the latest kernel for performance reasons |
| 20:18.36 | Alver | Airport extreme is one of the things that keeps me from moving to linux fulltime |
| 20:18.45 | Alver | plus little nuisances like java |
| 20:23.44 | Gnuman | nuisances like USB printing on various printers, Wireless connections that are constantly changing (I do not have a full time Network connection) |
| 20:26.02 | Gnuman | 2.6.17 has Ae support |
| 20:26.32 | Gnuman | yes, it is "experimental" |
| 20:27.15 | Alver | s/experimental/rubbish/ |
| 20:27.35 | Alver | wireless support without decent encryption equals no usable wireless support |
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| 20:53.24 | Gnuman | the AE driver does not do WEP? |
| 20:54.35 | Corsac | it does |
| 20:54.47 | Corsac | it even does wpa2/eap-tls |
| 20:55.11 | Gnuman | then what is this about not having decent encription? |
| 20:55.35 | Corsac | well it was the case at the beginning |
| 20:55.52 | Gnuman | so what kernel does he need to get decent encription, now? |
| 20:56.26 | Corsac | 2.6.17 |
| 20:56.41 | Gnuman | any .17? |
| 20:57.05 | Gnuman | I built a 2.6.17.4 kernel. . . |
| 20:57.13 | s^3 | are we talking about normal airports ? |
| 20:57.15 | Gnuman | what are they up to by now? |
| 20:57.19 | s^3 | 11mbit ones ? |
| 20:57.24 | Corsac | it works here with 2.6.17.7 and wep |
| 20:57.26 | s^3 | or the xtreme ? |
| 20:57.26 | Corsac | bcm43xx |
| 20:57.32 | Gnuman | No, AirPort Extreme |
| 20:57.35 | s^3 | ic |
| 20:57.37 | s^3 | well... |
| 20:58.27 | Corsac | i use wpa_supplicant for connecting |
| 20:58.27 | Gnuman | Oronico support has been in the kernel for *ages* |
| 21:02.38 | Gnuman | that being the 11mb one |
| 21:06.01 | Alver | Corsac: wha? the AE driver does wpa2? |
| 21:06.19 | Alver | That's most interesting... my network is wpa2/aes |
| 21:06.37 | Corsac | Alver: I do that every day at work |
| 21:06.45 | Corsac | wpa2/eap-tls |
| 21:06.54 | Alver | Interesting - last time I checked it only did wep |
| 21:07.01 | Alver | Seems like development is going fast |
| 21:07.28 | Gnuman | there are a *lot* of people interested in the AE working. . |
| 21:07.35 | Gnuman | ;) |
| 21:07.41 | Alver | So it seems |
| 21:07.58 | Alver | From what kernel on does it work |
| 21:08.06 | Alver | 2.6.17? Newer? |
| 21:08.14 | Corsac | 2.6.17.7 here |
| 21:08.16 | Corsac | vanilla |
| 21:08.19 | Gnuman | so has anyone heard of the other problem I'm having? |
| 21:09.23 | Gnuman | I have 8.5k at the end of my drive that is too small to allocate (too small for any filesystem I have discovered). |
| 21:09.44 | Gnuman | and the kernel probes it on startup, it seems. . . |
| 21:10.05 | Gnuman | is there a way to stop this probing? |
| 21:12.00 | Gnuman | or is it fixed in one of the later revisions?I'm using 17.4 |
| 21:17.22 | Gnuman | I'm getting massive "bad block" errors at startup, for hda6, which is unallocated. . . |
| 21:18.10 | Alver | if it's unallocated it shouldn't even be assigned a hdX |
| 21:18.19 | Gnuman | as it takes an hour and a half to build a kernel, I wanted to be sure that a later kerrnel would fix the problem. . . |
| 21:18.36 | Alver | 90 minutes for a kernel? |
| 21:18.37 | Gnuman | I know it *shouldn't*. . . |
| 21:18.41 | Alver | That's... kinda long. |
| 21:19.00 | Gnuman | well. . . . G3 running at 366Mhz. . . |
| 21:19.06 | Alver | That'd explain :) |
| 21:19.26 | Gnuman | heh, yeah, slightly. . . |
| 21:19.43 | Gnuman | the kernel has gotten bigger as well. . . |
| 21:20.00 | Gnuman | I *used* to be able to compile in half that time. . . |
| 21:25.39 | Gnuman | on the 2.6.10 and smaller ones at least. . . |
| 21:41.50 | Gnuman | what is the latest now, anyway? |
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| 22:38.19 | tsp | how can i install debian on my old opwermac? booting boot.img fails |
| 22:38.25 | tsp | s/opw/pow |
| 22:38.41 | tsp | I'm using a serial console ot interact with open firmware |
| 22:40.29 | simonrvn | so re-do the floppy |
| 22:40.52 | simonrvn | just do 'bye' and let the machine boot from it. don't use 'boot fd' |
| 22:40.53 | sloopy | tsp, what pwermac? |
| 22:41.10 | tsp | powermac 7600 |
| 22:41.16 | tsp | I want it to netboot, but netboot needs yaboot |
| 22:41.24 | tsp | It doesn't have an hd |
| 22:41.40 | tsp | just a pci usb card which probably ahs no OF drivers |
| 22:41.54 | sloopy | hmmm netbooting a 7600? that requires black magic and voodoo (a honeypot of luck would help) |
| 22:42.19 | simonrvn | sooo, how are you going to install anything if you have no hdd? |
| 22:42.25 | tsp | nfs |
| 22:42.34 | tsp | I"ve go tnetbsd booting from nfs :) |
| 22:42.39 | simonrvn | aah i see, run it off nfs entirely |
| 22:42.43 | tsp | I don't even have a screen |
| 22:42.54 | tsp | so the serial console is perfect for that |
| 22:43.15 | sloopy | simonrvn, and i thought some of the stuff i have done is strange ;') |
| 22:43.22 | tsp | I just need something to netboot the kernel |
| 22:43.25 | simonrvn | netbsd is better at nfsroot than linux. the bootloaders for the oldworlds is rather lame in that department |
| 22:43.41 | tsp | btw, I'm blind :) that's why I don't have a screen |
| 22:43.50 | simonrvn | well, i'll rephrase. it's ok for other machines |
| 22:44.00 | tsp | hmm |
| 22:44.08 | tsp | I have a 40mb hd from a mac LC |
| 22:44.22 | tsp | but that probably won't help here |
| 22:44.24 | simonrvn | bit small for a rootfs |
| 22:44.27 | tsp | yeah |
| 22:44.38 | sloopy | that would work to boot the kernel... |
| 22:44.46 | simonrvn | yeh, not much else |
| 22:44.48 | tsp | I can't access mac os though to put the kernel on |
| 22:44.54 | tsp | and the floppy won't boot |
| 22:45.07 | tsp | I think I plugged it in correctly, because I can eject it |
| 22:45.07 | sloopy | would be easier to use the 40meg to run macos/bootx and then NFS your / |
| 22:45.14 | simonrvn | well, you don't really need mac os there |
| 22:45.32 | tsp | system 7.5 won't run - or if it does, I can't tlel its running because it won't talk |
| 22:45.33 | simonrvn | hmm, good point |
| 22:45.49 | simonrvn | yeh, the talk s/w was later |
| 22:46.31 | sloopy | talking was 7.5.3 IIRC |
| 22:47.01 | simonrvn | 40 MB won't be much room, my /boot is ~50 MB ... heh |
| 22:47.05 | tsp | I have outspoken, but no way of getting it on a floppy |
| 22:47.13 | simonrvn | could be, i'm not sure |
| 22:47.20 | tsp | probably the earliest disk tools that will boot is 8.1 |
| 22:47.28 | tsp | but again, useless because it doesn't talk |
| 22:47.40 | tsp | and I know for a fact macintalk and outspoken won't fit on that disk :) |
| 22:47.50 | sloopy | tsp, if i may ask, where are you geographically? |
| 22:47.50 | tsp | unless I can install macos from netbsd |
| 22:47.53 | simonrvn | they enabled it by default later i think ... hmm, too bad :( |
| 22:47.56 | tsp | sloopy: canada |
| 22:47.57 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 22:48.32 | simonrvn | hmm, GTG for bit. still at keyboard |
| 22:48.37 | tsp | interesting problem - the boot.img floppy refuses to boot |
| 22:49.01 | tsp | so my only other option is netbooting, or using qemu to emulate linux on netbsd - with its root itself on nfs and the emulation on fs |
| 22:49.08 | sloopy | i have some HD's sitting around if you need one, might have a mac/vga adaptor too you can have them for just shipping... |
| 22:49.10 | tsp | on a 200mhz processor |
| 22:49.27 | tsp | heh the vga won't help, I can't see the screen to use it :) |
| 22:49.31 | tsp | and this thing's only scsi |
| 22:49.58 | tsp | I think I can get a pci IDE card for it though |
| 22:50.01 | sloopy | its and adaptor that plugs into the back of the 7600 and changes the video from mac to VGA |
| 22:50.08 | tsp | ahh, I think I have one |
| 22:50.10 | tsp | heh |
| 22:50.13 | sloopy | and the HD's i have here are scsi... |
| 22:50.16 | tsp | neat! |
| 22:50.27 | tsp | Where do you live? us? |
| 22:50.30 | simonrvn | yeh, sloppy is well equipped =) |
| 22:50.40 | simonrvn | sloopy. sorry :) |
| 22:50.42 | sloopy | but they arnt very big, mostly 500meg-=1gig |
| 22:51.09 | sloopy | simonrvn, we cool my brother :') |
| 22:51.28 | tsp | heh 500 meg scsi disks? |
| 22:51.33 | sloopy | tsp, yeah, east coast, south new jersey |
| 22:51.37 | simonrvn | that would be better |
| 22:51.40 | tsp | shipping would be alot :) |
| 22:51.54 | tsp | I'm in british columbia |
| 22:51.59 | simonrvn | at least you can fit a / on that, and have a small mac os |
| 22:52.06 | simonrvn | oh my. yeh :/ |
| 22:52.16 | tsp | I have a mac os 8 hfv file |
| 22:52.19 | sloopy | BC is on the west coast i think? |
| 22:52.23 | tsp | dunno |
| 22:52.33 | tsp | my performa has a 1gb ide drive |
| 22:52.55 | tsp | but the performa is useless - it can't support netbsd/linux |
| 22:53.14 | sloopy | http://home.comcast.net/~sloopym/ |
| 22:53.32 | sloopy | tsp: that was my 8500 (same mobo as the 7600) about 1.5-2 years ago |
| 22:54.34 | simonrvn | yeh, west coast |
| 22:55.20 | tsp | heh 896 mb ram |
| 22:56.46 | tsp | my lc has 6 |
| 22:56.51 | tsp | but I gutted it for this project |
| 22:57.09 | simonrvn | wow nice |
| 22:57.30 | sloopy | tsp, whats yer postal code? |
| 22:57.40 | sloopy | (i am looking up shipping rates) |
| 22:57.42 | tsp | v3b 6w9 |
| 22:58.07 | tsp | heh I don't have alot of cash :) |
| 22:58.19 | tsp | going to college in sept |
| 22:59.18 | tsp | I woudl keep netbsd but I want to turn this into a terminal |
| 22:59.21 | tsp | that talks |
| 22:59.31 | tsp | netbsd only supports 1 vc |
| 22:59.34 | tsp | on powerpc |
| 23:01.02 | sloopy | i just looked, it would be just under ~$20US |
| 23:01.16 | tsp | heh, that's a ton |
| 23:03.14 | tsp | there has to be a way of netbooting though |
| 23:03.19 | tsp | if netbsd can do it, why can't linux? |
| 23:04.28 | sloopy | tsp, do you have a Palm? |
| 23:04.52 | tsp | what's that? |
| 23:04.59 | tsp | oh, those handheld things? |
| 23:05.05 | tsp | no, they don't talk |
| 23:05.06 | sloopy | then you dont have one... |
| 23:05.08 | tsp | heh |
| 23:05.25 | sloopy | vision problems? |
| 23:05.35 | tsp | I'm legally/totally blind :) |
| 23:05.40 | tsp | so yeah |
| 23:06.12 | sloopy | ahhh... its not something most people can tell on here... like most people on here dont know i am partially deaf myself |
| 23:07.19 | tsp | ah |
| 23:07.36 | tsp | I"m using a screen reader to access my systems |
| 23:07.47 | tsp | so booting into mac os for bootX doesn't work |
| 23:08.45 | tsp | typing bye doesn't even probe for a debian floppy |
| 23:08.55 | tsp | oh there it goes - it just popped out |
| 23:09.05 | sloopy | well it could, once its setup it doesnt need to be changed again |
| 23:09.18 | tsp | everything I've heard about netbooting says it needs yaboot |
| 23:09.43 | sloopy | if the floppy was popped out, it mean the machine tried to boot the disk but thinks the disk is unbootable so ejects it... |
| 23:10.18 | sloopy | netbooting on Old World is possible but not something that is close to easily achieved. |
| 23:10.18 | tsp | dd if=boot.img of=/dev/rfd0a bs=18k |
| 23:10.33 | tsp | it wrote the flopy just fine |
| 23:10.56 | sloopy | why bs=18k? |
| 23:12.19 | tsp | why not? its fsater |
| 23:12.28 | tsp | I'm trying to get the 2.4 kernels floppy image |
| 23:13.07 | tsp | if the other one didn't work :) |
| 23:13.25 | sloopy | because it is the block size, and the 7600 may not be able to handle a 18k block size |
| 23:14.11 | tsp | heh, it's just dd's way of making it go faster |
| 23:14.19 | tsp | nothing to do with what I"m going to boot |
| 23:15.16 | sloopy | it is also how the data is written to the floppy. i would try using bs=512 or 1k at most |
| 23:16.03 | sloopy | when using images that will only be mounted via loopback bs doesnt matter... |
| 23:16.28 | tsp | ah |
| 23:16.34 | tsp | 18k has worked on everything so far |
| 23:16.41 | tsp | but its being a mierda del toro |
| 23:20.07 | tsp | keeps popping the disk |
| 23:21.56 | tsp | I rewrote it with the default, but still did the same thing |
| 23:37.09 | tsp | hmm |