| 00:09.26 | avar | I belive so |
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| 05:11.37 | GandalfX | alguno de uds habla espa?o? |
| 05:11.37 | GandalfX | espa?ol |
| 05:22.27 | pahartik | hello GandalfX |
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| 15:25.22 | Corsac | https://support10.apple.com/index.html?lang=fr |
| 15:25.33 | Corsac | remove lang=fr for non french speakers :) |
| 15:28.38 | DelTree | mine is 17"... so should be ok... :) |
| 15:38.37 | Corsac | mine is a 15", and i'm concerned |
| 15:40.46 | pahartik | Corsac: used "lang=fi", and it supposedly says I can get my already dead iBook G4 battery replaced... |
| 15:41.16 | Corsac | yeah |
| 15:44.16 | pahartik | Corsac: but third iBook G4 battery I bought about two moons ago is not suspicious |
| 15:47.10 | pahartik | Corsac: I thought I would return dead battery to store for proper recycling, but apparently it was good I did not do that in hurry |
| 15:47.19 | Corsac | yeah |
| 15:47.26 | Corsac | you'll get free batteries |
| 15:47.29 | Corsac | *new |
| 15:53.18 | pahartik | Corsac: that dead battery is already replacement I got from Apple Computer on their earlier "Battery Exchange Program", about 10 moons ago... |
| 15:53.57 | DelTree | ?! |
| 15:54.19 | DelTree | didn't hear about that one... |
| 15:57.47 | pahartik | DelTree: https://depot.info.apple.com/batteryexchange/index.html |
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| 16:00.00 | DelTree | again, no 17"... :) and I not the right timeframe either... |
| 16:00.24 | DelTree | looks like I'm lucky... ^_^ |
| 16:02.11 | pahartik | DelTree: over here, first iBook G4 battery did last ~10 moons, second did last ~8 moons... |
| 16:03.51 | DelTree | wow... |
| 16:03.59 | pahartik | DelTree: but fortunately, I never noticed much heat on battery |
| 16:05.49 | DelTree | :) |
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| 17:48.45 | HaroldJohnson | Can Debian be installed on a Wallstreet PowerBook? |
| 17:48.59 | HaroldJohnson | (You know, using BootX?) |
| 17:52.39 | Bor_Ed | should be possible |
| 17:52.47 | Bor_Ed | even as standalone too |
| 18:17.10 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Thanks |
| 18:17.21 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Standalone? |
| 18:17.34 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Doubt it, but I appreciate your reply |
| 18:18.24 | Bor_Ed | with quik, it should work standalone too |
| 18:18.37 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Thanks for clarifying. |
| 18:18.44 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 18:18.56 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Unfortunately, this is an OldWorld Mac, so no Quik |
| 18:19.09 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Al least, I don't think so |
| 18:19.09 | Bor_Ed | quik is oldworld bootloader |
| 18:19.18 | Bor_Ed | yaboot is the newworld one |
| 18:19.32 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Much prefer miBoot/BootX |
| 18:19.43 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: But you've given me something to consider (Quik) |
| 18:19.46 | Bor_Ed | bootx is a safe bet, that's for sure |
| 18:20.35 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: I've had trouble with OF, so don't think Quik will be the reliable way to go |
| 18:20.35 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: These Wallstreets are notorious for OF trouble, I think |
| 18:20.51 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: BootX works, and there's some suggestion of further miBoot development going on right now |
| 18:20.53 | Bor_Ed | every oldworld is, trust me :D |
| 18:21.00 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: :LOL |
| 18:21.20 | Bor_Ed | still have couple of such boxes here and gives good head scratching constantly |
| 18:21.36 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Time for me to try to find a way to get Debian on my Wallstreet again, or it's back to Xubuntu |
| 18:22.00 | Bor_Ed | debian should go in way easier than any ubu from my experiences |
| 18:22.20 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Really? I have the opposite |
| 18:22.32 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Though I'd *like* to be able to run Debian again |
| 18:22.48 | Bor_Ed | I've only tested ubu and kubu on oldworld, both had some issues deb didn't |
| 18:23.43 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Xubuntu rocked this PowerBook, until I went to a different HD |
| 18:24.14 | HaroldJohnson | Tried reinstalling on this other HD, and now it won't boot Xubuntu |
| 18:24.25 | Bor_Ed | hmm, sarge installer should work on it... with either 2.4.27 kernel (safe bet) or the 2.6.8 (no go on me, ymmv) |
| 18:24.31 | HaroldJohnson | So I'm considering Debian again, before going back to Xubuntu |
| 18:25.11 | HaroldJohnson | OK, I'll try 'er |
| 18:25.26 | HaroldJohnson | Think I have an old Sarge or Woody PPC installer here somewhere |
| 18:25.40 | Bor_Ed | try sarge 2.4 as a starter, it should work |
| 18:26.17 | HaroldJohnson | I'll try; should this be available on Debian.org still? |
| 18:26.30 | Bor_Ed | yup, sarge is current stable |
| 18:26.36 | _rene_ | of course, sarge is the current stable release, of course it is available :) |
| 18:27.11 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Yesterday we (I and another) were digging around looking for Woody; do they permanently remove these old images? |
| 18:27.24 | Bor_Ed | naa, woody is still there |
| 18:27.31 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Hmmm |
| 18:27.35 | _rene_ | but not supported anymore. |
| 18:27.38 | Bor_Ed | just installed it to my arm pda as a matter of a fact |
| 18:27.41 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Had difficulty locating it |
| 18:27.43 | Bor_Ed | just not upgraded anymore |
| 18:27.45 | _rene_ | (also not for security) |
| 18:27.59 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed: Okay, well I'll try Sarge 2.4 |
| 18:28.19 | Bor_Ed | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/ <<-- woody |
| 18:28.22 | HaroldJohnson | First 2.6 |
| 18:28.33 | HaroldJohnson | Bor_Ed thx |
| 18:28.36 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 18:28.52 | Bor_Ed | potato otoh is a bit hard to come by nowadays :) |
| 18:29.42 | HaroldJohnson | Is it difficult to compile for these OldWorld systems? |
| 18:29.54 | HaroldJohnson | I mean |
| 18:30.06 | HaroldJohnson | Is there any benefit? |
| 18:30.11 | HaroldJohnson | To doing so? |
| 18:30.45 | HaroldJohnson | See, this can be my "experimentation" system... |
| 18:30.57 | Bor_Ed | I'd suggest upgrading to a newer one as soon as the install is successfull, just leave the old kernel somewhere you can use it if the new one bombs, the rest of the sys will work for sure |
| 18:31.32 | HaroldJohnson | Sounds like a decent suggestion. |
| 18:32.13 | HaroldJohnson | So wait -- would I simply place the former kernel right back in my OS 9 partition (where BootX points to it)? |
| 18:33.00 | Bor_Ed | you can select any kernel from bootx, just don't remove the kernel package from linux side because of you'd loose the modules and such in there if you remove it |
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| 18:33.38 | Bor_Ed | you can select any kernel from bootx, just don't remove the kernel package from linux side because of you'd loose the modules and such in there if you remove it |
| 18:33.56 | Bor_Ed | sounds clear enough? :) |
| 18:34.08 | haroldjohnson_ | Yes |
| 18:34.42 | Bor_Ed | doesn't sound to me but I'm just still starting on the beer... |
| 18:35.01 | haroldjohnson_ | LOL |
| 18:35.33 | haroldjohnson_ | I'll have to figure out which kernel is my old one |
| 18:36.06 | haroldjohnson_ | Now, I don't want to piss you off, 'cause this is an Ubuntu install I'm currently having trouble with... |
| 18:36.18 | Bor_Ed | I tend to copy kernel from running setup to server and from there to bootx to have always a backup too |
| 18:36.31 | haroldjohnson_ | ...so I won't ask anything further unless you wouldn't mind my asking...? |
| 18:36.36 | Bor_Ed | ubu is based on debian, same stuff applies |
| 18:36.46 | haroldjohnson_ | Bor_Ed: That's how I feel, but some don't |
| 18:37.03 | Bor_Ed | plus there's no official ubu/ppc channel |
| 18:37.11 | haroldjohnson_ | Some don't appreciate *any* Ubuntu questions |
| 18:37.30 | Bor_Ed | I don't think this chan has such narrow minded ppl online |
| 18:38.05 | haroldjohnson_ | See, I'd like to get down to the most customizable system. Xubuntu rocks, but they're not supporting OldWorld PPC at all anymore, I don't believe |
| 18:38.26 | haroldjohnson_ | Anyway, it's time for me to play with the CLI more, anyway |
| 18:38.34 | haroldjohnson_ | (as I'm trying to learn some programming) |
| 18:38.52 | Bor_Ed | noticed same on latest debian-powerpc kernels too, probably own mishap but still, I'm currently left at 2.6.8 |
| 18:39.06 | haroldjohnson_ | Before I forget: I get this kernel panic |
| 18:39.16 | haroldjohnson_ | Dang, it rebooted. My 180 seconds was up |
| 18:39.46 | Bor_Ed | can't mount root: VFS panic? |
| 18:40.00 | haroldjohnson_ | Probably; I'll have to see it again, once it gets to that point |
| 18:40.07 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm fairly certain it said VFS |
| 18:40.30 | Bor_Ed | you need initrd for the kernel if it whines that |
| 18:40.34 | haroldjohnson_ | This is occurrring after attempting to upgrade to Xubuntu-Desktop from Ubuntu Server |
| 18:40.57 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm certain I copied initrd over to my BootX |
| 18:41.10 | haroldjohnson_ | Unless I was drunk on heat the other day when I did this |
| 18:41.45 | Bor_Ed | I tend to get that error when I'm stoned on the conf and kernel parameters given for the sys |
| 18:42.17 | haroldjohnson_ | You're certainly starting your drinkin' early, ;) |
| 18:42.35 | haroldjohnson_ | LOL |
| 18:42.41 | Bor_Ed | well, clock says 9:41pm currently |
| 18:42.58 | haroldjohnson_ | Ah, Europe? |
| 18:43.01 | Bor_Ed | that |
| 18:43.06 | Bor_Ed | more or less |
| 18:43.16 | haroldjohnson_ | The strangest thing.... |
| 18:43.33 | haroldjohnson_ | Xubuntu just fully booted, GUI and everything |
| 18:43.39 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm not liking the looks of this... |
| 18:43.48 | Bor_Ed | there you go, don't touch the sys anymore :) |
| 18:43.55 | haroldjohnson_ | LOL |
| 18:44.22 | haroldjohnson_ | I like the look of Xubuntu, but I'm not liking this inconsistency. Never happened before I upgraded. I wonder... |
| 18:44.26 | Bor_Ed | well, apt-get install gnome-desktop is one possible command but others than that, no go |
| 18:44.47 | haroldjohnson_ | Gnome-Desktop I may try. You familiar with Xubuntu? It's XFCE |
| 18:44.53 | haroldjohnson_ | Still, it uses some gnome stuff |
| 18:45.18 | haroldjohnson_ | Bor_Ed: So, what type of magic did you send my way? |
| 18:45.21 | Bor_Ed | I've used xfce since 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 thingy |
| 18:45.36 | haroldjohnson_ | Okay, so you know xfce |
| 18:45.43 | Bor_Ed | good carma... it tends to spread among good company |
| 18:45.53 | haroldjohnson_ | ditto |
| 18:46.03 | haroldjohnson_ | Linux is the strangest of all worlds |
| 18:46.22 | Bor_Ed | pretty much... too many choices to do stuff |
| 18:46.28 | haroldjohnson_ | So, I suppose I'll try installing gnome-desktop |
| 18:46.36 | haroldjohnson_ | Bor_Ed: Choice can be good |
| 18:46.41 | haroldjohnson_ | In fact, it's always good |
| 18:46.46 | haroldjohnson_ | Except when it's not |
| 18:46.55 | haroldjohnson_ | (Like when you can't decide which way to go) |
| 18:47.03 | Bor_Ed | gnome works decently on oldworld imo, I prefer xfce though for some weird reason |
| 18:47.04 | haroldjohnson_ | Ubuntu or Debian, for example? |
| 18:47.39 | haroldjohnson_ | I *much prefer* xfce, since this is a 233MHz, relatively low-RAM Mac |
| 18:47.39 | Bor_Ed | ubu is desktop with all the candy, deb is the server ver with pimp options for a desktop |
| 18:47.59 | haroldjohnson_ | Pimp options sounds good |
| 18:48.27 | haroldjohnson_ | Ubuntu runs well, but I've already got a partition that runs well on this 'Book (OS X) |
| 18:48.33 | Bor_Ed | I haven't used many of them but still a pimped up launchbar on xfce-panel as well as some tuning on the desktop appearance |
| 18:48.41 | haroldjohnson_ | So I'd like for a fully-customizable partition |
| 18:49.18 | Bor_Ed | use the ubu kernel and initrd to launch deb installer? you can do that too |
| 18:49.20 | haroldjohnson_ | There's some work on the xfce panel going on in Xubuntu, I think |
| 18:49.37 | haroldjohnson_ | You know, I tried that |
| 18:49.57 | haroldjohnson_ | There was a failure...Repositories...GPG |
| 18:50.13 | haroldjohnson_ | I was trying to go to Etch |
| 18:50.16 | Bor_Ed | I've used mandrake, gendoofs and ubu kernels here to boot debian/sid... |
| 18:50.33 | haroldjohnson_ | You mean, to install |
| 18:50.35 | Bor_Ed | etch is a bastard child of sarge and sid, not even meant for install |
| 18:50.40 | haroldjohnson_ | Yes |
| 18:51.04 | haroldjohnson_ | You know, maybe I'll try Sid. |
| 18:51.09 | Bor_Ed | don't |
| 18:51.24 | haroldjohnson_ | Out of the question? |
| 18:51.30 | Bor_Ed | get sarge or woody up first, it's easy to dist-upgrade when you have such running |
| 18:52.22 | haroldjohnson_ | So I'd just need to change all the repos, apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:52.43 | haroldjohnson_ | Actually, other question: |
| 18:53.07 | haroldjohnson_ | What command tells me what kernel I'm currently running? |
| 18:53.48 | Bor_Ed | uname -r or -a |
| 18:54.02 | Bor_Ed | for more info: cat /proc/version |
| 18:54.05 | haroldjohnson_ | Oh, yes |
| 18:54.30 | haroldjohnson_ | 2.6.15-25-powerpc |
| 18:55.08 | Bor_Ed | I have 2.6.8 on debian since later ones have issues on booting on this setup |
| 18:56.06 | haroldjohnson_ | So lemme get this straight: 2.6.15-25-powerpc is equivalent to Sarge? |
| 18:56.17 | haroldjohnson_ | I mean, that's the kernel, but... |
| 18:56.36 | haroldjohnson_ | If I was running Debian (rather than Ubuntu), would that kernel be a Sarge kernel? |
| 18:56.59 | haroldjohnson_ | Am I making sense? |
| 18:57.11 | haroldjohnson_ | Or do I have things mixed up? |
| 18:57.14 | Bor_Ed | sarge install kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 18:57.25 | haroldjohnson_ | Ah |
| 18:57.38 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.8-powerpc (root@mini) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Nov 24 00:17:15 UTC 2005 |
| 18:58.01 | haroldjohnson_ | So 2.6.15-25-powerpc would be in the Sid category? |
| 18:58.07 | Bor_Ed | definately |
| 18:58.15 | haroldjohnson_ | Possibly Etch? |
| 18:58.22 | Bor_Ed | possibly |
| 18:58.43 | Bor_Ed | but etch == no go as my advice |
| 18:59.47 | haroldjohnson_ | Okay |
| 19:00.10 | haroldjohnson_ | Is Debian your preferred distro? |
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| 19:01.03 | Bor_Ed | wife has ubu on her box and I'm advocating ubu heavily on x86 front for linux interested people or wannabe testers, though I've learned to live the debian way of things too |
| 19:01.30 | haroldjohnson_ | Do you use a GUI? |
| 19:01.41 | Bor_Ed | when appropriate(sp) |
| 19:01.52 | haroldjohnson_ | (sp)? |
| 19:02.11 | Bor_Ed | speaking... I'm not 100% english proof |
| 19:03.35 | haroldjohnson_ | So commonly, when you perform an apt-get dist-update or something, what do you do to rollback if the system fails? Just boot from the old kernel and initrd? |
| 19:04.12 | Bor_Ed | if dist-upgrade fails, I fix it, if kernel fails, I reboot to the old one I have saved just in case |
| 19:04.41 | haroldjohnson_ | How did you save it? |
| 19:05.12 | Bor_Ed | I don't ever remove old kernels either on debian side nor in bootx side unless I'm absolutely sure the new one works |
| 19:05.26 | haroldjohnson_ | man, I wish PRAM batteries were solar-powered or something |
| 19:05.57 | Bor_Ed | pram, the source of all evil on cuda macs |
| 19:06.22 | haroldjohnson_ | The PRAM battery (or something -- maybe PMU) has never worked on this Wallstreet |
| 19:06.32 | haroldjohnson_ | I bought another one on eBay, and it's not working, either |
| 19:06.35 | Bor_Ed | no pmu on wallstreet |
| 19:06.44 | haroldjohnson_ | Yes, there's a PMU |
| 19:06.49 | Bor_Ed | hmm? |
| 19:06.53 | haroldjohnson_ | I just replaced it with another used one |
| 19:07.07 | Bor_Ed | pmu is newworld thingy for the low level stuff afaik |
| 19:07.12 | haroldjohnson_ | hoping it would fix whatever's ails this 'Book |
| 19:07.26 | haroldjohnson_ | Well, I dunno. It's called a PMU |
| 19:07.33 | Bor_Ed | ookay |
| 19:08.06 | haroldjohnson_ | There's a PMU, an PRAM battery, and a battery charge card/power card |
| 19:08.25 | haroldjohnson_ | I've replaced all of them with used parts, but I'm still having trouble |
| 19:08.34 | haroldjohnson_ | If I'm willing, I may have to purchase a new PRAM |
| 19:09.10 | Bor_Ed | when you've had enough fun, feel free to send it as donation to this location? :D |
| 19:10.28 | haroldjohnson_ | Too much money going into this old 'Book! |
| 19:10.28 | haroldjohnson_ | LOL |
| 19:10.41 | haroldjohnson_ | I'll definitely consider it; I love this old 'Book |
| 19:10.45 | haroldjohnson_ | Only portable I have |
| 19:11.02 | haroldjohnson_ | Found at Goodwill |
| 19:11.20 | Bor_Ed | I've just spent some dimes on usb and such cards on this box, the server box has a brand new nic and couple of 2nd disks, that's investments I've dropped to these ppc boxen :) |
| 19:11.52 | haroldjohnson_ | PPC lover? |
| 19:12.09 | Bor_Ed | naa, more or less x86 pessimist |
| 19:12.15 | haroldjohnson_ | Huh |
| 19:12.17 | haroldjohnson_ | :) |
| 19:12.48 | Bor_Ed | I prefer to have old ppc tech (low power usage) than heat any extra on this apartment with x86 boxes |
| 19:13.23 | haroldjohnson_ | Yeah, that's one reason I like this old Wallstreet; takes less power |
| 19:13.37 | haroldjohnson_ | I finally caved in a purchased a new battery for it |
| 19:13.41 | Bor_Ed | hella lot less than similar specced x86 |
| 19:13.51 | haroldjohnson_ | Sounds crazy to be spending so much on an old 'book, doesn't it? |
| 19:14.00 | Bor_Ed | naa, not really |
| 19:15.10 | haroldjohnson_ | My way of thinking is, I'm not needing multimedia on this machine |
| 19:15.12 | haroldjohnson_ | I prefer to keep the battery lasting longer |
| 19:15.15 | haroldjohnson_ | (though I'm having problems in that area as well) |
| 19:15.20 | Bor_Ed | I just watched an xvid clip on this box today... 233@315 g3 |
| 19:15.28 | haroldjohnson_ | How did she perform? |
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| 19:15.38 | Bor_Ed | this manages just as fine as ever after the clocking :) |
| 19:15.55 | Bor_Ed | haven't checked dvd clips since I don't have dvd drive around |
| 19:16.01 | haroldjohnson_ | Actually, I shouldn't be surprised...Xvid and Divx run fine on portable DAP |
| 19:16.18 | haroldjohnson_ | which have 200MHz cpus, I think |
| 19:16.31 | haroldjohnson_ | and minimal ram |
| 19:16.31 | Bor_Ed | with smaller resolution and special format |
| 19:16.40 | haroldjohnson_ | Yeah, true |
| 19:17.07 | Bor_Ed | this does 7xx by 5xx fullscreen with no hickups |
| 19:17.36 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I can share some recorded DVB content if you want to try MPEG-2 |
| 19:17.39 | Bor_Ed | even did at original clock but always nice to have as much clock as the setup allows |
| 19:17.55 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: not currently, watching tv4 :P |
| 19:17.58 | Bor_Ed | but later on |
| 19:18.03 | haroldjohnson_ | Sure |
| 19:18.13 | haroldjohnson_ | That'd be great |
| 19:18.45 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: or you meant as static content? |
| 19:19.08 | haroldjohnson_ | No, dynamic |
| 19:19.53 | haroldjohnson_ | I haven't tried Xvid on this Wallstreet; only some audio editing |
| 19:19.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I have low bandwidth, probably that hits the wall before the decryption engine pukes out |
| 19:20.01 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: MPEG PES content that VDR has stored to harddisk of my DVB server from DVB-C network |
| 19:20.36 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: drop wget link for some clip on /notice or so if you don't want to drop it to public |
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| 19:20.46 | haroldjohnson_ | Oops, missed the fact that you're having a conversation |
| 19:20.55 | Bor_Ed | haroldjohnson_: no problemo :P |
| 19:21.35 | Bor_Ed | (sh)it happens, we should've had discussion on the native language not to mess the chan up |
| 19:21.57 | haroldjohnson_ | Nah, doesn't matter |
| 19:22.40 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm currently studying my sources.list |
| 19:22.47 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:23.08 | haroldjohnson_ | Trying to decide if I'm ready to much them up |
| 19:23.10 | haroldjohnson_ | :) |
| 19:23.27 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:23.28 | haroldjohnson_ | Trying to decide if I want to make some serious changes there |
| 19:23.43 | haroldjohnson_ | It's funny how such a small file leads to such great change |
| 19:25.00 | Bor_Ed | true |
| 19:25.11 | haroldjohnson_ | Or perhaps the real change agent is that apt-get command |
| 19:25.14 | Bor_Ed | use the force of root wisely, luke |
| 19:25.19 | haroldjohnson_ | heh |
| 19:25.53 | Bor_Ed | you can dist-upgrade xubu to debian sarge with 2 commands... if you're willing to fix some afterwards |
| 19:25.55 | haroldjohnson_ | For example, everything's running well. Then, Luke decides to run an apt-get upgrade, or dist-upgrade. |
| 19:26.13 | haroldjohnson_ | Okay, Ben. Let's go |
| 19:26.32 | haroldjohnson_ | Ben Kenobi. |
| 19:26.37 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:26.54 | haroldjohnson_ | I tried this before, though, and it didn't take |
| 19:27.21 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm wondering if my failed PRAM is causing the upgrade problem |
| 19:27.50 | haroldjohnson_ | Because I notice error messages when appying some apt-get procedures |
| 19:28.15 | haroldjohnson_ | It's like this: I have to change my date/time every time I boot |
| 19:28.17 | Bor_Ed | time not in.... bleh? |
| 19:28.24 | Bor_Ed | use ntpdate to sync time |
| 19:28.42 | Bor_Ed | and hwclock --systohc after you have the time ok |
| 19:29.00 | haroldjohnson_ | For some reason -- oh, wait |
| 19:29.06 | haroldjohnson_ | duh! |
| 19:29.06 | haroldjohnson_ | Duh! |
| 19:29.20 | haroldjohnson_ | WiFi card not inserted |
| 19:31.41 | haroldjohnson_ | You know, I think I'll jump to Debian later |
| 19:31.49 | Bor_Ed | good luck |
| 19:32.00 | haroldjohnson_ | Well, I'm stalling |
| 19:32.13 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm hesitant |
| 19:32.23 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm frightened |
| 19:32.26 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm terrified |
| 19:32.28 | haroldjohnson_ | LOL |
| 19:32.33 | haroldjohnson_ | Okay, not *terrified* |
| 19:33.12 | haroldjohnson_ | Have you ever compiled linux directly for your PPC? As in, not Debian |
| 19:33.26 | Bor_Ed | kernel or what? |
| 19:34.12 | haroldjohnson_ | Yeah, compiled the kernel |
| 19:34.36 | haroldjohnson_ | Is that what we're doing when we install? |
| 19:34.51 | haroldjohnson_ | Okay, I'm losing myself, even |
| 19:34.56 | haroldjohnson_ | I guess what I'm asking... |
| 19:35.29 | haroldjohnson_ | Is, what would be the "purest" form of Linux for a PPC-based system? |
| 19:35.55 | pahartik | haroldjohnson_: Linux is kernel |
| 19:35.58 | haroldjohnson_ | Example: Ubuntu is Debian-based; Debian itself is based on... |
| 19:36.44 | haroldjohnson_ | Linux is kernel, so every time we install it on a new system it is compiling? Or is it already pre-compiled? |
| 19:37.21 | Bor_Ed | you can use prebuilt sys to install your own linux setup |
| 19:38.07 | pahartik | haroldjohnson_: when installing Debian, binary packages have already been built elsewhere, no need for building on target host... |
| 19:39.51 | haroldjohnson_ | But you *can* build for a PPC? (An OldWorld PPC, in my case.) Or is this just not done anymore? |
| 19:40.13 | haroldjohnson_ | I mean, it's done on PCs all the time, isn't it? |
| 19:40.32 | haroldjohnson_ | But is it done on PPC-based systems? |
| 19:40.54 | pahartik | haroldjohnson_: one can build custom version of any Debian package... |
| 19:41.54 | haroldjohnson_ | I guess my question is convuluted; I'm sorry to be confusing |
| 19:42.08 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm thinking about going to the purest form of Linux... |
| 19:42.20 | haroldjohnson_ | ...but then, that would go back even further, to Unix... |
| 19:42.30 | haroldjohnson_ | So really, you have to stop at some point and say... |
| 19:42.35 | pahartik | haroldjohnson_: packages can be built on host architecture or (with enough effort) on some other architecture |
| 19:42.38 | haroldjohnson_ | ...Is this where I want to land? |
| 19:43.03 | haroldjohnson_ | Debain seems like a decent landing point. |
| 19:43.08 | haroldjohnson_ | Debian. |
| 19:43.26 | haroldjohnson_ | I think I know what you're saying, pahartik |
| 19:43.57 | haroldjohnson_ | It's that effort that you're talking about that can be *quite* challenging, when it's a PPC |
| 19:44.57 | haroldjohnson_ | At my current skill level, I'm best going with the "best" distro I can find for an OldWorld PPC... |
| 19:45.08 | haroldjohnson_ | ...and currently I don't know what that would be! |
| 19:45.13 | pahartik | haroldjohnson_: building whatever is fast on current PowerPC workstations |
| 19:45.41 | haroldjohnson_ | Yes, on current workstation, I'm sure it is |
| 19:46.25 | haroldjohnson_ | I'm torn between Xubuntu and Debian, at this point, for my OldWorld |
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