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| 00:16.20 | Akeson_Chihiro | Good evening |
| 00:27.17 | Akeson_Chihiro | Is this a developer channel ? I'm only looking for informations. |
| 00:30.06 | Akeson_Chihiro | good night |
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| 03:14.49 | Shadow_wolf | I hope somebody in here can help me |
| 03:15.13 | Shadow_wolf | I have a LOT of work I typed into this PB 3400 and it won't boot from quik now |
| 03:15.25 | Shadow_wolf | i can get an open firmware prompt |
| 03:16.11 | Shadow_wolf | i'm looking at least 8 hours to retype it all, so any input would be very helpful |
| 03:16.40 | Shadow_wolf | i've already written off the other stuff that i can't recreate |
| 03:17.02 | Shadow_wolf | just need this one document to be emailed tonight |
| 03:18.03 | Shadow_wolf | i've tried making several boot floppies...none of them will boot the damn thing |
| 03:18.47 | Shadow_wolf | ok...i'm screwed |
| 03:19.03 | Shadow_wolf | just have to stay up all night and redo everything then |
| 03:19.19 | Shadow_wolf | and then i am going to smash this powerbook with a large hammer |
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| 06:12.46 | Corsac_ | hmhm, fn+f1/f2/f3 don't work in 2.6.18-rc4 |
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| 10:51.51 | Corsac_ | hmhm, 2.6.18-rc5 is really buggy here :p |
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| 14:07.13 | Akeson_Chihiro | Yellow all |
| 14:08.46 | Akeson_Chihiro | I'm a web developer amd I'm interesting in moving to pure Debian for iBook G4 |
| 14:11.31 | Akeson_Chihiro | Atm I'm using Mac OS X and fink. I would like to know if there are integrated web tools with your port and if Apple hardware are supported (Wifi and sounds especially). I was a Redhat 8 user and I used FreeBSD at university. Debian PPC with full motivation is cool or not advise ? Thanks for your help |
| 14:12.09 | Corsac_ | ibook g4 will have sound and wifi with recent kernel |
| 14:12.15 | Corsac_ | i don't know about web tools, though |
| 14:12.23 | Corsac_ | which one are you thinking about ? |
| 14:12.35 | Corsac_ | (i only use vim for web) |
| 14:12.36 | Corsac_ | (:) |
| 14:13.10 | Akeson_Chihiro | packages such as Quanta, CVS, SVN, Darcs, LAMP, anf of course Gnome or KDE |
| 14:16.32 | Corsac_ | i don't know quanta, other are supported afaik |
| 14:16.45 | Corsac_ | quanta - web development environment for KDE |
| 14:16.47 | Corsac_ | it exists |
| 14:17.26 | Akeson_Chihiro | :) Yeap Thanks Corsac |
| 14:21.31 | Akeson_Chihiro | OS X with Fink is a daemon. It's really useful but I tempt to use commercial procduct for my work dreamweaver or PhotoShop or Quake III :( So let's switch to Debian. I'll have test in a few weeks. Thanks for your help Corsac_ and good luck for the future |
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| 19:43.31 | Akeson_Chihiro | Yellow again :) |
| 19:44.29 | Akeson_Chihiro | Just one more question : irssi and bltbee package available too ? |
| 19:44.34 | Corsac | yep |
| 19:46.22 | Bor_Ed | and works like a champ |
| 19:47.08 | Akeson_Chihiro | Good evening Corsac, Bor_Ed. |
| 19:47.18 | Bor_Ed | ugh |
| 19:48.53 | Bor_Ed | irssi been up here for close to 160 days and bitlbee in the googletalk around the same time |
| 19:50.17 | Akeson_Chihiro | What do you mean ? It works well ? |
| 19:50.18 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:50.36 | Akeson_Chihiro | :) Debian PPC is attractive |
| 19:50.52 | Bor_Ed | had to restart irssi then to get recode support from utf puke to native chars |
| 19:51.28 | Bor_Ed | debian ppc is ok, with the limitations of not being able to run properietary junk formats well such as flash and java |
| 19:51.37 | Bor_Ed | and realmedia |
| 19:53.07 | Akeson_Chihiro | Ouch ! for flash plugin I can miss it. No helix / real player, and no java ? This mean no jedit, really ? But I suppose this is the state of mind of pure open source |
| 19:53.56 | Bor_Ed | java 'works'... in browsers too, for real/helix I've had less luck, depends on your release, at least sid is out of luck |
| 19:56.13 | Bor_Ed | ibm ships 1.5 sdk for ppc32, sun ships some embeddable 1.5 and helix community has realplayer 10 builds for ppc linux |
| 19:57.03 | avar | Bor_Ed: Java is not proprietery |
| 19:57.32 | avar | There just isn't a free implementation, big difference |
| 19:57.39 | Bor_Ed | avar: there's open 1.5 java implementation out? I'd like to have such if you have download url |
| 19:57.48 | Akeson_Chihiro | Actually I just want to be able to listen BBC3, yeap that sounds really dumb but I like it to work |
| 19:58.00 | avar | Bor_Ed: There isn't |
| 19:58.03 | Bor_Ed | bbc3 is realstream? |
| 19:58.21 | Akeson_Chihiro | Yeap |
| 19:58.25 | avar | Bor_Ed: But that's sort of like saying that C is proprietery if GCC didn't exist |
| 19:58.39 | Bor_Ed | Akeson_Chihiro: I think mplayer or vlc might cope with that |
| 19:58.42 | avar | Bor_Ed: Unlike flash where there are hurdles to making a free implementation |
| 19:59.07 | Akeson_Chihiro | I'm away for a couple of minutes |
| 19:59.29 | Bor_Ed | avar: more or less... though free java implementation (kaffe) is lightyears back from binary downloads and that's why I really don't feel warm for java either on non-i386 arches |
| 20:00.11 | avar | Bor_Ed: It depends on what you want, gcj is fine for a lot of stuff now |
| 20:00.29 | Bor_Ed | yup, I've used that with ibm 1.5 beta |
| 20:01.19 | Bor_Ed | still dowsn't work with some sites I'd need |
| 20:03.01 | Bor_Ed | *nix would need a lib kit that's open enough to compile on every possible OS and good enough to cope with the binary only junk |
| 20:03.10 | avar | The problem with most Java discussions is that "Java" is ambiguous, it can be a language, a standard library for the language, an implementation of the two or all of those things |
| 20:04.11 | Bor_Ed | java in my context(?) means browser plugin and standalone runtime... as I ain't developer, those 2 are closest to my needs |
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| 20:40.11 | Akeson_Chihiro | Groochy dsl connection. In my case, I will only use the java machine with softwares. I'm not and I don't want to be a Java programmer, even with JSP |
| 20:41.40 | Akeson_Chihiro | So to resume debian seems to satisfy my need. |
| 20:50.01 | Akeson_Chihiro | thank all for your help. I will start the adventure in a few weeks. Have a nice day / evening |
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