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| 04:37.35 | Yggdrasil | hi guys |
| 04:38.20 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me out.. ive got a mac. old world. currently running ubuntu with bootx. im trying to replace my kernel images on the hfs partition with the net install to install fresh with debian. |
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| 12:56.30 | Bor_Ed | no |
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| 14:17.10 | Yurtle | hello anyo ne in here ? |
| 14:18.19 | yggdrasil | im attempting to do a netboot installation using bootx. |
| 14:19.00 | yggdrasil | im just wonder 1) where can i get the netboot vmlinix and ramdiskimage and 2 what do i set under the user root = dev/xx? |
| 14:21.36 | Bor_Ed | you don't need to set root, at least sarge has the images in the normal ftp path |
| 14:22.14 | yggdrasil | mhmm i was thinking of trying etch |
| 14:22.28 | Bor_Ed | you can dist-upgrade to that with 2 commands |
| 14:22.31 | yggdrasil | so do i jsut leave the root as .. blank ? and in the optios do nothign |
| 14:22.37 | yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 14:22.43 | Bor_Ed | excaxtly |
| 14:22.54 | Bor_Ed | the sys will boot to installer via the initrd image |
| 14:23.00 | yggdrasil | ive got ubuntu on the box right now and its pretty bloated. but it was my first attempt at it |
| 14:23.04 | yggdrasil | now i think ive got it down |
| 14:23.12 | yggdrasil | starmax 3000/166 |
| 14:23.21 | Bor_Ed | you can use the ubuntu kernel/initrd to install debian too |
| 14:23.32 | yggdrasil | oh how would that work ? |
| 14:23.56 | Bor_Ed | been too long since I had to reinstall the box... though I recall I used mandrake 8. something kernel to get woody in |
| 14:24.01 | yggdrasil | theres no cd player in it . is the thing |
| 14:24.19 | yggdrasil | so i want to do the netinstall ? i think its called |
| 14:24.34 | Bor_Ed | you pretty much want that yes... |
| 14:24.48 | Bor_Ed | or hd install if there's still one available |
| 14:25.03 | yggdrasil | ahh, you kow what i think i chose the wrong one |
| 14:25.07 | yggdrasil | i was doing the hd install |
| 14:25.12 | yggdrasil | i think i want the netinstall |
| 14:25.38 | yggdrasil | that makes sence now it was kind of looking for that third image i bet |
| 14:25.59 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 14:26.04 | yggdrasil | hmm |
| 14:26.10 | yggdrasil | ill have to look. |
| 14:26.24 | yggdrasil | too bad its at home and im at work |
| 14:26.46 | Bor_Ed | that's a minor drawback yea... work always spoils the fun |
| 14:26.58 | yggdrasil | but im basicly just going for less bloat, i didnt even do the server version of ubuntu i did the full blown ... yech |
| 14:27.13 | yggdrasil | but its been running for about 8 months. serving up my files and dhcping for me. |
| 14:27.40 | yggdrasil | problem came when i tried to put a usb card in it. |
| 14:27.51 | Bor_Ed | I've had sid up for some years on the server doing all kinda service tasks |
| 14:28.02 | yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 14:28.23 | yggdrasil | i had apache and webmin on it also i think that was causing a huge performance hit.. the webin anyway |
| 14:29.01 | yggdrasil | this mac is pretty cool its one of the clones , its got regular keyboard and mouse, ide hard drives and pci support. and scsi |
| 14:29.53 | Bor_Ed | hmm, sounds pretty much like my pmac4400 server box |
| 14:29.59 | yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 14:30.04 | Bor_Ed | except it had adb keyboard and mouse |
| 14:30.22 | yggdrasil | what speed is that .. its also got adb keyb and mouse and aregular printer port too.. its pretty bizzare |
| 14:30.39 | Bor_Ed | 200MHz |
| 14:30.46 | yggdrasil | some engineer was having a wet dream at that time . im sure mac saw this thing and was like uh uh. |
| 14:30.51 | yggdrasil | this is 166 i think |
| 14:30.53 | Bor_Ed | printer and modem ports are rs422 ports |
| 14:31.14 | yggdrasil | its also got those .. but it has a like regular lpt port |
| 14:31.22 | yggdrasil | somone gave it to me |
| 14:31.34 | Bor_Ed | probably external scsi port |
| 14:31.45 | yggdrasil | hmmm maybe |
| 14:31.52 | yggdrasil | but i think it says printer under it.. |
| 14:31.56 | yggdrasil | you could be right |
| 14:31.57 | Bor_Ed | at least the 4400 port is scsi... |
| 14:32.12 | Bor_Ed | can't reach the buggr under the other computer junk to say for sure |
| 14:32.13 | yggdrasil | yea that was pretty common ..hmmm |
| 14:32.19 | yggdrasil | hahah |
| 14:32.44 | Bor_Ed | it needs to be reached once/year to clean out dustbunnies and possibly oiling the psu fan |
| 14:33.00 | yggdrasil | so heres what happend i wanted to add usb . so i got a card and then i saw that there was a combo usb/firewire/gigabit ethernet . and its not working |
| 14:33.12 | Bor_Ed | it'll work in linux |
| 14:33.24 | yggdrasil | so i started tweaking on it. and now i say that the combos proboly not a good idea but i need to get the dam thing unbloated. |
| 14:33.28 | yggdrasil | well its kind of working |
| 14:33.34 | yggdrasil | the ethernet works and the usb bus is there |
| 14:33.56 | yggdrasil | but im getting some weirddmesg errors when i try to plug stuff into it.. some irq |
| 14:33.57 | Bor_Ed | I picked up noname 5 port usb 2.0 card to the desktop box... OF recognizes it as network card but linux kernel loads ehci for it and runs just ok |
| 14:34.13 | yggdrasil | it says proboly using wrong irq |
| 14:34.19 | yggdrasil | i think its just too much on the one card ? |
| 14:34.35 | yggdrasil | but i thought it would be nice to save pci space |
| 14:34.38 | yggdrasil | its only got 3 |
| 14:34.39 | Bor_Ed | could be... or modules need some irq or so parameters to load correctly |
| 14:34.45 | yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 14:35.01 | yggdrasil | well i was hoping that with a clean new kernel and low resources it might be able to get going |
| 14:35.28 | yggdrasil | box was loading like blue tooth, alsa, pcmci services |
| 14:35.42 | Bor_Ed | mmm, sounds like ubu indeed :) |
| 14:35.48 | yggdrasil | jsut kind of a sloppy hack but as i said it was my first go at it. |
| 14:35.59 | yggdrasil | hahah |
| 14:36.19 | yggdrasil | you using bootx on your box ? |
| 14:37.30 | Bor_Ed | on both... didn't bother to drop scsi disk in to use quik |
| 14:38.29 | yggdrasil | mhmm it works |
| 14:38.38 | yggdrasil | would be nice to have soemting cleaner |
| 14:39.08 | yggdrasil | and i wish it would let you select wich ramdisk img . along with the different kernel |
| 14:39.16 | yggdrasil | anyway aright man thanks for the help |
| 14:39.19 | yggdrasil | ill let you know how it go |
| 14:39.21 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
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| 15:43.22 | yggdrasil | hey bor_ed you still around ? |
| 15:45.11 | yggdrasil | just wondering if the apple type serial ports can be converted to rs232 type serial ports |
| 15:46.31 | pahartik | yggdrasil: cable is enough for most usual devices |
| 15:50.03 | yggdrasil | pahartik |
| 15:52.18 | pahartik | yggdrasil: cable with 8 pin mini-DIN at other end and D25 at other end... |
| 15:52.28 | yggdrasil | ahh thanks great |
| 15:52.34 | yggdrasil | thought so.. |
| 15:52.42 | yggdrasil | pahartik what kid of mac you running ? |
| 15:54.40 | pahartik | yggdrasil: iBook G4 (late 2004) as workstation, PowerMacintosh 5500 as secondary workstation, PowerMacintosh 7500 and 7300 as DVB servers... |
| 15:54.57 | yggdrasil | ... |
| 15:55.03 | yggdrasil | i also use dvb |
| 15:55.15 | yggdrasil | are we talking about the same thing ? |
| 15:58.48 | pahartik | yggdrasil: two DVB servers, both with two DVB-C tuners, running VDR |
| 15:59.01 | yggdrasil | in a mac ? |
| 15:59.05 | yggdrasil | amazing |
| 15:59.14 | yggdrasil | are you in us or eu ? |
| 15:59.58 | pahartik | yggdrasil: Europe/Finland |
| 16:00.05 | yggdrasil | ehhh |
| 16:00.06 | yggdrasil | moi |
| 16:02.56 | pahartik | yggdrasil: and experimental DVB server with two DVB-T tuners, running on Alpha workstation |
| 16:03.10 | yggdrasil | insame man |
| 16:03.21 | yggdrasil | well i was planing on useing it for sc server |
| 16:03.28 | yggdrasil | thats why i was asking about the serial ports |
| 16:04.03 | yggdrasil | are those nexus cards or budget cards ? |
| 16:06.19 | pahartik | yggdrasil: one server does have one tuner with MPEG-2 decoder hardware and video output... |
| 16:06.41 | yggdrasil | well im truly amazed that it runs on ppc |
| 16:06.50 | yggdrasil | good job |
| 16:07.09 | pahartik | yggdrasil: I prefer to avoid wintels |
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| 16:35.55 | yggdrasil | pahartik thats prety dam cool |
| 16:42.28 | yggdrasil | pahartik is therea schamitc |
| 16:42.34 | yggdrasil | for the serial cable |
| 16:43.51 | Bor_Ed | http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/MacRs422_pinout.shtml |
| 16:44.20 | Bor_Ed | there are better instructions too, that's just first hit from google |
| 16:44.35 | pahartik | yggdrasil: I have only bought such cable from store... they were known as "Macintosh modem cable" |
| 16:44.39 | Bor_Ed | http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/RS232_pinout.shtml the other end of the cable |
| 16:44.47 | yggdrasil | ok that helps |
| 16:45.17 | yggdrasil | thanks guys |
| 16:45.40 | Bor_Ed | I used to use such cable on pmac7200 everytime it went fubar |
| 16:45.54 | yggdrasil | http://pinouts.ru/SerialPorts/Serial9_pinout.shtml |
| 16:46.07 | yggdrasil | i think that one... ? |
| 16:46.35 | Bor_Ed | looks like peecee serial port with 9 pins |
| 16:47.09 | yggdrasil | thats what i need |
| 16:47.14 | Bor_Ed | I had 3 wire cable iirc which I built myself to get mac and peecee to work together |
| 16:47.17 | yggdrasil | as long as i have the pinout .. |
| 16:47.36 | yggdrasil | its going int oa iso 7816 interface |
| 16:47.48 | yggdrasil | wonder if theres 2 serial ports or only one |
| 16:48.23 | Bor_Ed | mac has 2 serial ports... modem and printer |
| 16:48.36 | yggdrasil | mhmm.. |
| 16:48.39 | yggdrasil | should be good then |
| 16:48.45 | yggdrasil | dam i cant wait to go home |
| 16:49.49 | yggdrasil | hey what version of bootx do you guys run ? |
| 16:50.09 | Bor_Ed | most recent from penguinppc |
| 16:50.54 | yggdrasil | maybe ill update that |
| 16:52.00 | yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 16:52.16 | yggdrasil | guesse i got it |
| 16:52.16 | Bor_Ed | probably... it's old as age itself |
| 16:52.25 | yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:52.25 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:52.40 | yggdrasil | just wish the would alloy you to pick the ramdisk img |
| 16:52.49 | yggdrasil | tht would make updateing stuff alot easier |
| 16:52.59 | Bor_Ed | you can do ramdisk yourself for the installer |
| 16:53.16 | yggdrasil | hmm ? |
| 16:53.19 | yggdrasil | just gz it |
| 16:53.38 | Bor_Ed | naa, there's howto on creating 'em in tldp.org |
| 16:53.43 | yggdrasil | well im fine |
| 16:53.44 | yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:54.09 | Bor_Ed | I just was a wimp and used the one sarge shipped and it works ok |
| 16:54.18 | yggdrasil | yea me 2 |
| 16:54.21 | yggdrasil | well ubuntu |
| 16:54.42 | Bor_Ed | now I have 2.6.8 or so debian built kernel without initrd |
| 16:54.59 | yggdrasil | hmm thats old ? |
| 16:55.10 | yggdrasil | im on .15-27 |
| 16:55.19 | Bor_Ed | haven't had much luck with newer ones on this box |
| 16:55.37 | yggdrasil | hmm i hear ya .15-27 couldnt bring up nic |
| 16:55.41 | yggdrasil | for some wierd reason |
| 16:56.03 | yggdrasil | prob a custom built is in order |
| 16:56.21 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll test out 2.6.18 this weekend |
| 16:56.37 | yggdrasil | always fun .. just a long time to compile on the same box |
| 16:56.47 | Bor_Ed | naa... I use distcc :) |
| 16:57.21 | yggdrasil | whats that ? |
| 16:57.56 | Bor_Ed | Description: Simple distributed compiler client and server |
| 16:58.35 | yggdrasil | hmm.. just precomipiled kernels |
| 17:03.13 | yggdrasil | is it ok to post links in here ? |
| 17:03.21 | yggdrasil | ive got the link for this pci card im trying to use. |
| 17:03.27 | Bor_Ed | depends... goatse pics aren't too welcomed |
| 17:03.35 | yggdrasil | hha |
| 17:03.38 | yggdrasil | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=1016-0013-02AA |
| 17:03.45 | yggdrasil | nor hc detroit |
| 17:04.02 | Bor_Ed | possibly |
| 17:04.42 | Bor_Ed | check if the card is supported on linux in the first place... google to the rescue again |
| 17:05.07 | yggdrasil | well strange thing is is its just a no name... |
| 17:07.01 | yggdrasil | http://penguinppc.org/embedded/kuro/ |
| 17:07.12 | yggdrasil | shows one of the ohci chipests |
| 17:07.50 | Bor_Ed | so was my usb card... appeared to be ALi chipset usb2 host controller |
| 17:07.55 | pahartik | yggdrasil: one can share relevant URLs here, "links" on IRC are used for something else... |
| 17:08.14 | yggdrasil | thank you. |
| 17:08.40 | yggdrasil | excuse my poor language. |
| 17:10.08 | yggdrasil | so i guesse it should work then.. |
| 17:10.24 | yggdrasil | ill play with it if it doesnt work ill just get a usb only. card. |
| 17:10.45 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to hit the sack soon... buggr wakeup 'soon' |
| 17:11.16 | yggdrasil | cool |
| 17:11.21 | yggdrasil | thanks for the help |
| 17:11.39 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
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