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| 04:04.48 | xwl | Hi, is it possible to enable external monitor mirror on an ibook G4 ? |
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| 09:07.18 | KingHeaven | anybody know how to install realplayer on Debian ? |
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| 09:08.44 | KingHeaven | Does anybody know how to install realplayer onto Debian ? |
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| 10:18.53 | yggdrasi1 | anyone here ?/ gota problem in deb installer moving my kernel and such over to the hfs part |
| 11:05.36 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: are you talking about "yaboot" or "BootX"? |
| 11:06.19 | yggdrasi1 | pahartik !! |
| 11:06.22 | yggdrasi1 | bootx |
| 11:06.47 | yggdrasi1 | just ended up puylling the driv eout and im gonna mount theparts in fedora x86 and move em over manualy |
| 11:07.38 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: installer does not do that, user can do it by mounting filesystem and copying kernel image and ramdisk image over... |
| 11:07.51 | yggdrasi1 | right i know |
| 11:07.57 | yggdrasi1 | but the dam thing wouldnt mount the hfs part |
| 11:12.22 | yggdrasi1 | pahartik .. is debian not using a ramdisk ? i dont see one in /boot |
| 11:14.57 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: it does by default... |
| 11:15.51 | yggdrasi1 | hmm i didnt see nothing |
| 11:15.53 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: if you want to boot without ramdisk image, configure and build kernel that can do that |
| 11:16.48 | yggdrasi1 | hmm well im just puzzzled should it have made it int /boot ? |
| 11:17.51 | yggdrasi1 | trying it w/o the ramdisk |
| 11:17.55 | yggdrasi1 | well see what happnes |
| 11:19.48 | yggdrasi1 | hmm it worked |
| 11:19.51 | yggdrasi1 | so odd |
| 11:20.09 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: oh... |
| 11:20.51 | yggdrasi1 | hahh usb thing still failed .. the whole reason for ding this |
| 11:21.59 | yggdrasi1 | it is truly faster though |
| 11:24.30 | yggdrasi1 | great |
| 11:24.31 | yggdrasi1 | ;) |
| 11:28.41 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: define "usb thing"? |
| 11:28.51 | yggdrasi1 | usb controller |
| 11:29.30 | yggdrasi1 | combo card /firewire/gbethernet/usb2.0 on one pci card.. never souinsmod error |
| 11:29.43 | yggdrasi1 | uh never sounded good idea, insmod erro |
| 11:30.38 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: other parts work except for that USB? |
| 11:30.54 | yggdrasi1 | the ethernet card does, cant vouch for the firewire |
| 11:32.12 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: can you try another PCI slot? |
| 11:32.47 | yggdrasi1 | yes |
| 11:32.52 | yggdrasi1 | i have 2 others |
| 11:33.03 | yggdrasi1 | ill do it now |
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| 11:36.22 | yggdrasi1 | same problem ... |
| 11:36.25 | yggdrasi1 | in port 3 |
| 11:36.45 | yggdrasi1 | 8139 mikking kernel or something driver.. ? |
| 11:39.35 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: damn that |
| 11:40.57 | yggdrasi1 | yar |
| 11:40.58 | yggdrasi1 | :( |
| 11:41.08 | yggdrasi1 | im upgrading now to etch |
| 11:41.16 | yggdrasi1 | doubt it will fix but worth a try |
| 11:41.41 | yggdrasi1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.43 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: I used to have problems with certain devices on certain PCI slots |
| 11:44.13 | yggdrasi1 | ive got one more but i tried it under the old system and it iddnt make a diff. |
| 11:44.39 | yggdrasi1 | oh man.. |
| 11:44.41 | yggdrasi1 | tired |
| 11:46.32 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: my DVB servers are mostly running "etch" branch |
| 11:47.16 | yggdrasi1 | thats what im doin now |
| 11:47.23 | yggdrasi1 | mines on sid |
| 11:47.29 | yggdrasi1 | dsaf |
| 11:48.23 | yggdrasi1 | what providers do you guys have out there ? |
| 11:48.32 | yggdrasi1 | ive been to finland once you know |
| 11:51.40 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: national DVB-T network is operated by Digita, local DVB-C network of this city is operated by Tampereen Tietoverkko |
| 11:52.17 | yggdrasi1 | i was in tampere |
| 11:52.42 | yggdrasi1 | so you dont do and dvb-s cards then huh? |
| 11:53.17 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: I do not have DVB-S tuner or antenna |
| 11:53.59 | yggdrasi1 | mhmm. |
| 11:54.05 | yggdrasi1 | thats what i use it for |
| 11:54.44 | yggdrasi1 | how old are you pahartik ? |
| 11:55.34 | pahartik | yggdrasi1: something like 30 years |
| 11:55.44 | yggdrasi1 | mhmm |
| 11:55.54 | yggdrasi1 | cool |
| 12:00.40 | yggdrasi1 | oh dood im going to sleep |
| 12:00.43 | yggdrasi1 | thanks for the info |
| 12:00.47 | yggdrasi1 | ill chatya later |
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| 13:52.46 | wes|me3 | how can I get my ati 9600 to work on my powerbook, is there a way? |
| 13:54.20 | wes|me3 | isn't it not fully functional when I install debian? I thought I read that somewhere |
| 14:02.12 | Corsac | on debian unstable it should be fine |
| 14:02.17 | Corsac | use a recent kernel and mesa 6.5 |
| 14:02.22 | Corsac | and you should have dri |
| 14:02.29 | Corsac | i run quake3 on my powerbook (5,6) |
| 14:03.48 | wes|me3 | 2.6.8 is the version I am using |
| 14:04.06 | wes|me3 | is that recent enough? |
| 14:06.45 | wes|me3 | I think I installed the stable version. . . do I need to reinstall? |
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| 14:52.20 | pahartik | wes|me3: "recent kernel" would nowadays mean Linux 2.6.17 or Linux 2.6.18 on this channel |
| 14:52.41 | Yggdrasil | mornin pahartik |
| 14:54.02 | wes|me3 | alright, I have 2.6.8 so that is alright, but I am running sarge? |
| 14:54.13 | wes|me3 | so will mesa still work? |
| 15:07.16 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 15:07.20 | Yggdrasil | just upgrade it? |
| 15:07.30 | Yggdrasil | do an apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:07.41 | Yggdrasil | is this an old world or new world |
| 15:09.19 | wes|me3 | new world |
| 15:09.57 | wes|me3 | no results for linux-image |
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| 15:14.38 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 15:15.08 | Yggdrasil | really ? |
| 15:15.09 | Yggdrasil | hmmm |
| 15:15.16 | Yggdrasil | sarge mm.... |
| 15:15.21 | wes|me3 | is my sources.list screwed up? |
| 15:15.33 | Yggdrasil | no im thinking that those kernels might only be availiable in etch |
| 15:15.50 | wes|me3 | what are the advantages of using etch? |
| 15:15.56 | Yggdrasil | uh new kernels ? |
| 15:15.57 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 15:16.01 | Yggdrasil | thats why i use it |
| 15:16.09 | Yggdrasil | but let me think. |
| 15:16.15 | wes|me3 | so it will have added support for things? |
| 15:16.18 | wes|me3 | before the stables do? |
| 15:16.20 | Yggdrasil | its newer |
| 15:16.28 | Yggdrasil | for sure and i rarely have problems with it |
| 15:16.52 | wes|me3 | hmm, maybe I should just reinstall then |
| 15:16.54 | Yggdrasil | chekc out whats listed in your apt sources.list |
| 15:16.56 | wes|me3 | I just installed yesterday |
| 15:16.57 | Yggdrasil | you dont have to reinstall |
| 15:17.00 | Yggdrasil | you just change it |
| 15:17.05 | Yggdrasil | its really cool] |
| 15:17.17 | Yggdrasil | just vi /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 15:17.30 | Yggdrasil | and then anywhere it says sare you write etch |
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| 15:17.35 | Yggdrasil | and then do a sudo apt-get update |
| 15:17.38 | wbrown_ | ok this is wes |
| 15:17.41 | wbrown_ | on debian |
| 15:17.48 | Yggdrasil | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.55 | Yggdrasil | did you get that ^ |
| 15:18.04 | Yggdrasil | vi /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 15:18.10 | Yggdrasil | change anything that says sarge to etch |
| 15:18.15 | Yggdrasil | and then sudo apt-get update |
| 15:18.20 | Yggdrasil | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:18.29 | Yggdrasil | let it roll and then youll proboly have a new kernel and all that |
| 15:18.35 | wbrown_ | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 15:18.40 | Yggdrasil | its a new world mac so you got it pretty easy |
| 15:18.43 | wbrown_ | thats the only line with sarge |
| 15:18.50 | wbrown_ | and its commented |
| 15:18.56 | Yggdrasil | really ? |
| 15:19.11 | Yggdrasil | pm me the entire uh.. contents lemme take a look |
| 15:19.14 | wbrown_ | yeah, I have like 6 lines in it |
| 15:19.16 | Yggdrasil | or pastebin it |
| 15:19.18 | wbrown_ | ok |
| 15:20.19 | wbrown_ | http://pastebin.ca/178743 |
| 15:22.18 | Yggdrasil | hang a sec wes |
| 15:22.57 | wbrown_ | sure thing |
| 15:23.14 | Yggdrasil | ahh ok |
| 15:23.17 | wbrown_ | thanks for helping me, no one seems to have any time |
| 15:23.42 | Yggdrasil | nah its cool |
| 15:23.47 | Yggdrasil | looks like your on stable or something |
| 15:23.52 | Yggdrasil | usualy it says sarge there |
| 15:23.56 | Yggdrasil | let me check in the other channel |
| 15:24.04 | Yggdrasil | i know how it is i dealt with it all last night |
| 15:24.13 | Yggdrasil | what did you install ? |
| 15:24.42 | wbrown_ | what do you mean, what packages have I installed? |
| 15:25.22 | Yggdrasil | what version |
| 15:25.47 | Yggdrasil | looks like stable not sarge or something |
| 15:26.15 | wbrown_ | i just installed off of the minimal cd |
| 15:26.22 | wbrown_ | havent done much else |
| 15:26.54 | Yggdrasil | just back up that file |
| 15:27.01 | Yggdrasil | and then lets get to changing it |
| 15:27.30 | Yggdrasil | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 15:28.23 | wes|me3 | so should I uncomment that line |
| 15:28.40 | Yggdrasil | nah |
| 15:28.43 | Yggdrasil | thats the cd |
| 15:29.50 | wes|me3 | ok welok its updating |
| 15:30.00 | Yggdrasil | yar |
| 15:30.05 | wes|me3 | welok! |
| 15:30.06 | Yggdrasil | just let it rip |
| 15:30.11 | Yggdrasil | should take a few |
| 15:30.17 | Yggdrasil | its actualy intersting to watch |
| 15:30.23 | Yggdrasil | and then youll get some wierd questions |
| 15:30.26 | Yggdrasil | just read thru |
| 15:30.40 | wes|me3 | ok.soome index files fialed ot download |
| 15:30.47 | wes|me3 | they have been ignored, or old ones used instead |
| 15:31.28 | wes|me3 | now im doing the dist-upgrade |
| 15:32.32 | Yggdrasil | yea should be cool |
| 15:33.04 | wes|me3 | once it's good. . can you give me a hand just getting things running, like mesa and java |
| 15:34.16 | Yggdrasil | mmmm |
| 15:34.18 | Yggdrasil | i guesse |
| 15:34.21 | Yggdrasil | ill be around |
| 15:40.32 | wes|me3 | so by default this new kernal will make full use of my cpu? or do you have modify somethinig to get it to. Also I read somewhere that something is up with the fan driver? I did notice the fan was running alot when I am booted into debian |
| 15:41.07 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 15:41.11 | Yggdrasil | is it a laptop ? |
| 15:41.27 | Yggdrasil | youl be alot closer with that but |
| 15:42.10 | wes|me3 | yes its alaptop |
| 15:42.35 | Yggdrasil | ahh bummer, |
| 15:42.53 | Yggdrasil | those things (power) are hard to get going properly |
| 15:42.59 | Yggdrasil | but lets see what happens |
| 15:43.05 | wes|me3 | you know whats weird, apple never enabled if you tap the trackpad it acts like amouse click, but in debian that is on by default |
| 15:43.23 | wes|me3 | oh, shoot. . . |
| 15:44.00 | wes|me3 | 30% |
| 15:44.33 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 15:44.39 | Yggdrasil | huh ? |
| 15:44.50 | wes|me3 | 30% complete |
| 15:45.00 | Yggdrasil | oh yea it takes time |
| 15:45.07 | Yggdrasil | basicly reinstalling everything |
| 15:45.55 | Yggdrasil | try it on a 166mhz |
| 15:45.55 | Yggdrasil | its fun |
| 15:45.55 | wes|me3 | haha |
| 15:45.56 | pahartik | wes|me3: "sudo trackpad notap" |
| 15:45.56 | wes|me3 | I kind of like it -_- |
| 15:46.04 | wes|me3 | but I will remember that, thanks. |
| 15:47.36 | pahartik | wes|me3: one can also set that feature in "/etc/pbbuttonsd.conf", if "pbbuttonsd" is being used |
| 15:50.38 | wes|me3 | yea I turned it to notap, it is slightly annoying when it taps when I dont want it to |
| 15:50.53 | Yggdrasil | youll get use to it |
| 15:50.55 | wes|me3 | but it's neat, I had always thought that they should have included a right-click and a tap |
| 15:51.05 | Yggdrasil | its nice for stealth mode mouseing |
| 15:51.08 | wes|me3 | how can I configure right click? |
| 15:51.10 | Yggdrasil | the buttons are sometimes clicking |
| 15:51.14 | wes|me3 | yeah |
| 15:52.03 | wes|me3 | 50% oh yeah |
| 15:52.28 | pahartik | wes|me3: "sudo sysctl -a | grep mouse_button" |
| 15:52.47 | wes|me3 | I am at work now, I'm moving into a new apartment this weekend. . . I haven't had internet since last may when I was still at school |
| 15:53.09 | wes|me3 | had to use the libraries and now my works |
| 15:53.42 | wes|me3 | keycode=97 for mouse_button2 |
| 15:54.27 | pahartik | wes|me3: oh, I still remember time when I had no mobile network uplink... |
| 15:55.00 | wes|me3 | how long did you ugo without? |
| 15:55.09 | wes|me3 | It's only been 5 months for me, and it seems like forever |
| 15:56.04 | pahartik | wes|me3: I had to wait for about one moon... damn that, it was annoying... last time I moved |
| 15:56.19 | wes|me3 | Yea. . |
| 15:56.40 | Yggdrasil | i steal my internet so im pretty quickly back online when i move |
| 15:56.44 | Yggdrasil | depending on the area |
| 15:56.51 | wes|me3 | wireless? |
| 15:57.14 | pahartik | wes|me3: it was something like three or four years ago |
| 15:57.18 | wes|me3 | There are no wireless networks around where I am currectly =\ |
| 15:57.29 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 15:57.38 | Yggdrasil | sometimes it odesnt work |
| 15:57.45 | wes|me3 | they aren't WEP? |
| 15:57.48 | Yggdrasil | if im in the rural area its pretty lame |
| 15:57.51 | Yggdrasil | i crack thru it |
| 15:57.55 | Yggdrasil | takes about 4 hours |
| 15:58.03 | Yggdrasil | im not proud of it |
| 15:58.09 | wes|me3 | ha |
| 15:58.10 | Yggdrasil | but when you need internet you need internet |
| 15:58.19 | wes|me3 | what tool do you use? |
| 15:58.25 | Yggdrasil | aircrack |
| 15:58.31 | Yggdrasil | with aireplay and .. |
| 15:58.34 | Yggdrasil | airodump |
| 15:58.40 | Yggdrasil | 3 tools in cunjunction |
| 15:59.21 | wes|me3 | tsk, tsk. . |
| 15:59.55 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:00.02 | Yggdrasil | dont do it ok.. |
| 16:00.04 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:00.08 | wes|me3 | heh |
| 16:00.15 | Yggdrasil | wow they are selling imacs for like 75 bucks |
| 16:00.26 | wes|me3 | revision A? |
| 16:01.40 | Yggdrasil | i dont know |
| 16:01.42 | Yggdrasil | brb |
| 16:02.37 | wes|me3 | is it the old ones? g3 233 mhz?/ |
| 16:03.19 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:03.20 | Yggdrasil | 300 |
| 16:03.34 | Yggdrasil | on geeks . c |
| 16:03.40 | Yggdrasil | 32 mb of ram |
| 16:03.42 | Yggdrasil | but wtf |
| 16:03.49 | Yggdrasil | would be cool for a little box |
| 16:04.23 | wes|me3 | hehe 75$ |
| 16:04.50 | Yggdrasil | if they put a hand crank on em you could give on to everyone in india |
| 16:05.07 | wes|me3 | ha. . .80%! |
| 16:05.21 | Yggdrasil | what speed is your cpu ? |
| 16:05.32 | wes|me3 | ok, so without doing anything. . . it's not going to take advantage of my radeon 9600 is it |
| 16:05.35 | wes|me3 | 1.25 |
| 16:06.09 | wes|me3 | g4 |
| 16:06.12 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 16:06.19 | Yggdrasil | i really couldnt tell you |
| 16:06.32 | Yggdrasil | um i owuld hate to say this |
| 16:06.39 | Yggdrasil | is this your first linux experience ? |
| 16:06.48 | wes|me3 | yes -_- |
| 16:06.56 | wes|me3 | well, I tried gentoo about a year back |
| 16:08.38 | pahartik | wes|me3: AFAIK, "gentoo" is also using Linux as kernel... |
| 16:10.34 | wes|me3 | pahartik, have you gotten video drivers to work? |
| 16:12.22 | Yggdrasil | i hate to say this in here but as a test bed you might want to run ubuntu just .. |
| 16:12.23 | pahartik | wes|me3: well, yes... but this iBook G4 does have ATI Radeon 9200 |
| 16:12.28 | Yggdrasil | to feel it out |
| 16:12.38 | Yggdrasil | its bloated but they fix alot of stuff |
| 16:12.53 | Yggdrasil | i had to run it on x86 laptop to get some video driver isses resolved |
| 16:13.32 | wes|me3 | why, there are no fixes for debian? |
| 16:13.39 | wes|me3 | for graphics |
| 16:14.44 | Yggdrasil | there are but you might have to work at em |
| 16:15.27 | Yggdrasil | ubuntu is debain |
| 16:15.33 | Yggdrasil | if that makes you feel any better |
| 16:16.16 | wes|me3 | why would that be different than the install I have now |
| 16:16.25 | wes|me3 | ok install is done |
| 16:16.34 | wes|me3 | locales to be generated? |
| 16:16.47 | wes|me3 | should I just check 'all locales' ? |
| 16:17.28 | pahartik | wes|me3: probably just ones you want to use |
| 16:17.34 | Yggdrasil | yea just do the ones you use |
| 16:17.41 | Yggdrasil | otherwise its .. |
| 16:17.47 | Yggdrasil | boring to watch haha |
| 16:18.05 | Yggdrasil | pahartik is this busy for this channel ? |
| 16:18.05 | pahartik | wes|me3: unless it is some public workstation |
| 16:18.19 | Yggdrasil | eats me up to see hindi being compiled |
| 16:18.20 | wes|me3 | no it's private, but umm, which ones do I want? |
| 16:18.22 | pahartik | Yggdrasil: yes... |
| 16:18.38 | wes|me3 | which english ones |
| 16:18.43 | Yggdrasil | utf8 |
| 16:18.55 | Yggdrasil | i actuly dont knwo |
| 16:19.02 | Yggdrasil | its sort of moot |
| 16:20.25 | wes|me3 | xdm or gdm? |
| 16:20.32 | Yggdrasil | gdm |
| 16:20.35 | Yggdrasil | more colorfull |
| 16:20.50 | Yggdrasil | more bloaty also |
| 16:20.51 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:21.08 | Yggdrasil | but since its a mac its shame to put something generic looking on it.. xdm |
| 16:22.38 | wes|me3 | heh |
| 16:22.39 | wes|me3 | true |
| 16:22.59 | wes|me3 | restarting services |
| 16:23.15 | wes|me3 | so sound does not work for ppc either? |
| 16:23.21 | Yggdrasil | it does |
| 16:23.35 | Yggdrasil | wes|me3 debian is a very clean install |
| 16:23.39 | wes|me3 | oh, I thought I read on the mailing list that it doesnt |
| 16:23.45 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 16:23.54 | Yggdrasil | it works on my mac. |
| 16:24.03 | Yggdrasil | wich model is it ? |
| 16:25.11 | wes|me3 | packaage distributer has shipped an updated version |
| 16:25.15 | wes|me3 | what do I want to do about this |
| 16:25.31 | wes|me3 | install package maintainers version |
| 16:25.32 | Yggdrasil | yes ? |
| 16:25.36 | wes|me3 | keep currently installed version |
| 16:25.41 | Yggdrasil | go for it |
| 16:25.45 | Yggdrasil | its basicly just saying |
| 16:25.46 | wes|me3 | haha |
| 16:25.51 | Yggdrasil | your running some very very new stuff |
| 16:25.58 | Yggdrasil | wich is what you want |
| 16:26.12 | Yggdrasil | your on etch so its fiarly new |
| 16:26.18 | Yggdrasil | sid is like .. super made yesterday |
| 16:27.34 | wes|me3 | I dont need great graphics on my laptop |
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| 16:27.57 | wes|me3 | it would be nice to maybe be able to play movies if I wanted, but I just want to be able to develope on it for the moment |
| 16:28.29 | Yggdrasil | wes|me3 i think that youll be happy |
| 16:28.43 | wes|me3 | I'm looking into getting a desktop anyways. . . because the macs are now on intels, would that solve the issues with some ppc hardware not working |
| 16:30.21 | Yggdrasil | is thta done ? |
| 16:30.29 | wes|me3 | no =\ |
| 16:30.38 | wes|me3 | replacing gnome games heh |
| 16:30.58 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 16:31.05 | Yggdrasil | are you running gnome desktop ? |
| 16:31.17 | wes|me3 | yeah |
| 16:31.20 | wes|me3 | err, I was |
| 16:31.24 | Yggdrasil | mhmm. |
| 16:31.56 | wes|me3 | you dont use gnome? |
| 16:32.02 | Yggdrasil | he |
| 16:32.07 | Yggdrasil | my mac is from 95 |
| 16:32.12 | Yggdrasil | its a mac clone actualy |
| 16:32.29 | wes|me3 | so you are all text. . . badass ;) |
| 16:32.45 | Yggdrasil | well i have more than one computer |
| 16:32.51 | Yggdrasil | i use the mac as my server |
| 16:33.01 | Yggdrasil | file server / dhcp / ftp / |
| 16:33.05 | Yggdrasil | uhm. |
| 16:33.13 | Yggdrasil | i use it to dl torrents |
| 16:33.26 | Yggdrasil | so i had ubuntu on it till yesterday |
| 16:33.40 | Yggdrasil | and i got .. itchy cuz ubuntus really bloated . it had gnoem. |
| 16:33.42 | wes|me3 | what is the different of ubuntu? |
| 16:33.45 | Yggdrasil | so now its just terminal |
| 16:33.53 | Yggdrasil | well its basicly the same . |
| 16:34.00 | Yggdrasil | but if you let it it installs everything |
| 16:34.10 | Yggdrasil | its more for .. workstation |
| 16:34.27 | Yggdrasil | so generaly you end up with a larger installation and bit slower version of debian |
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| 16:34.29 | wes|me3 | ah |
| 16:34.43 | Yggdrasil | so for that computer it wasnt the right thing you know |
| 16:35.00 | wes|me3 | yeah |
| 16:35.40 | wes|me3 | how do you pronouse etch . . "eck":? |
| 16:36.12 | wes|me3 | err "ech" |
| 16:36.15 | Yggdrasil | ech |
| 16:36.16 | Yggdrasil | i do |
| 16:36.45 | Yggdrasil | wher you at wes ? gographicaly? |
| 16:36.53 | wes|me3 | its scrolling some errors with locale settings |
| 16:37.06 | Yggdrasil | you knwo im gonna get a map and start putting pins in it for whereever i have talked to a person |
| 16:37.12 | wes|me3 | Maine. . |
| 16:37.18 | wes|me3 | What about you? |
| 16:37.47 | Yggdrasil | new mexico |
| 16:38.24 | wes|me3 | Ah. . cool |
| 16:38.31 | wes|me3 | little warmer there I would imagine |
| 16:38.45 | Yggdrasil | first snowfall today |
| 16:38.52 | Yggdrasil | im excited |
| 16:38.59 | wes|me3 | wow, early |
| 16:39.01 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 16:39.49 | wes|me3 | ok this has to be almost done . . it's unpacking man pages |
| 16:39.56 | wes|me3 | what should I do when its done? |
| 16:40.08 | Yggdrasil | i dont knwo |
| 16:40.09 | Yggdrasil | reboot ? |
| 16:40.16 | Yggdrasil | keep an eye on wich kernel it loads |
| 16:40.24 | Yggdrasil | i think thats what we were getting at here |
| 16:40.57 | wes|me3 | 2.6.17 I think it just said |
| 16:41.10 | Yggdrasil | yea thats pretty good |
| 16:43.46 | Yggdrasil | hey pahartik you still in ? im looking at this usb card. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815113001 |
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| 16:46.46 | wes|me3 | what desktop do you work on most of the time yggdrasi |
| 16:47.24 | wes|me3 | what type of machine I should say |
| 16:47.31 | tobias | hi--is there a way to disable automatic suspension of the console display? |
| 16:48.14 | tobias | machine is crashing and the console will not come back up when it does--i'd like to keep the console up to see what (if anything) was printed there before it died |
| 16:49.59 | wes|me3 | yay a prompt |
| 16:50.13 | wes|me3 | rebooting :) |
| 16:51.25 | wes|me3 | udev failed because it requires a kernel > 2.6.something |
| 16:53.20 | wes|me3 | ok its all working Yggdrasil |
| 16:54.55 | Yggdrasil | ahh |
| 16:55.47 | wes|me3 | the j2re.bin I downloaded from sun still doesnt work though |
| 16:55.51 | Yggdrasil | tobias i had a problem like that i sshd into the box and monitored the console events from there .turned ou it wasnt really crashing |
| 16:56.01 | Yggdrasil | well whats not working ? |
| 16:56.17 | pahartik | Yggdrasil: I do not know much about USB... it either "just works" or does not |
| 16:56.24 | Yggdrasil | yea ok |
| 16:56.29 | Yggdrasil | i guesse ill order that one |
| 16:56.47 | wes|me3 | it give sme an error when I try to unpack it. . . ./install.sfx.2098 : cannot execute binary file |
| 16:56.58 | wes|me3 | what should I apt for to get mesa |
| 16:57.01 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 16:57.09 | Yggdrasil | hang on one thing at a time now |
| 16:57.10 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 16:57.15 | Yggdrasil | go to cmd prompt right ? |
| 16:57.15 | wes|me3 | im too excited |
| 16:57.21 | wes|me3 | yeah |
| 16:57.26 | Yggdrasil | how are yo uexectuing it ? |
| 16:57.37 | wes|me3 | I cd /home/wbrown |
| 16:57.40 | Yggdrasil | k |
| 16:57.44 | wes|me3 | then ./j2re.bin |
| 16:57.47 | Yggdrasil | mhm.. |
| 16:57.56 | wes|me3 | and it gives me some screens to read, and asks me to agree |
| 16:58.01 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 16:58.04 | wes|me3 | and I do, then it starts to unpack, creates a folder |
| 16:58.05 | Yggdrasil | maybe lets try |
| 16:58.08 | Yggdrasil | do you have sudo ? |
| 16:58.15 | wes|me3 | but then it dies with that error |
| 16:58.15 | Yggdrasil | it might need root permisions |
| 16:58.23 | wes|me3 | ok |
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| 16:58.41 | Bor_Ed | http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/breezy/non-free/ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb installs and runs on debian too... |
| 16:59.29 | Yggdrasil | cool there ya go |
| 16:59.49 | wes|me3 | sudo wont do it, but when I su and then try it still fails |
| 16:59.57 | Yggdrasil | try that ^ |
| 17:00.02 | Yggdrasil | wget it |
| 17:00.07 | wes|me3 | cool. .. . thanks Bor_Ed |
| 17:00.09 | Yggdrasil | and then i think you could .. |
| 17:00.13 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 17:00.14 | Yggdrasil | dpkg -i ? |
| 17:00.19 | Bor_Ed | dpkg -i |
| 17:00.21 | Yggdrasil | yar |
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| 17:00.42 | Yggdrasil | i bet bor_ed knows about your sound problem too |
| 17:00.50 | Yggdrasil | hey bor_ed i got my mac up and running last night |
| 17:00.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm? |
| 17:00.51 | wes|me3 | http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/breezy/non-free/ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb |
| 17:01.12 | Yggdrasil | but the darn.. usb controller still didnt work |
| 17:01.16 | Yggdrasil | i was kinda bummer |
| 17:01.21 | wes|me3 | I was just wondering if sound will work ? I thought I read on the mailing list that sound isnt working for ppc |
| 17:01.31 | Bor_Ed | modprobe snd-powermac |
| 17:01.31 | Yggdrasil | i think you want alsa not mesa |
| 17:01.42 | wes|me3 | also, what do I need to get my radeon 9600 working on this powerbook g4? |
| 17:01.50 | Bor_Ed | ^^ is alsa, dmasound_pmac is oss sound driver |
| 17:03.09 | wes|me3 | what does modprobe do |
| 17:03.14 | wes|me3 | that didnt return anything |
| 17:03.16 | Bor_Ed | loads the driver |
| 17:03.21 | wes|me3 | ah cool |
| 17:03.48 | Bor_Ed | now use aumix to set the volume up and listen to linux symphony with: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ... ends with ctrl+c |
| 17:03.51 | wes|me3 | ok I am getting that link you sent me. . . do I have to get any other things to install java? the libraries and such |
| 17:03.57 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 17:04.05 | Bor_Ed | the dpkg would whine if you didn't have the deps in |
| 17:04.36 | wes|me3 | alright |
| 17:04.47 | wes|me3 | haha yeah |
| 17:04.58 | wes|me3 | hopefully you hang out in this channel alot Bor_Ed ;) |
| 17:05.16 | Bor_Ed | well, usually when I have screen on... |
| 17:05.17 | Yggdrasil | wes i hope u have a notpad |
| 17:05.32 | Yggdrasil | i have one of thoe little pocket ones |
| 17:05.52 | wes|me3 | when I cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp its just static |
| 17:05.58 | Yggdrasil | and whenever i come and ask questions for people i write down, some people get annoyed after the 3rd or fourth time. |
| 17:06.04 | Yggdrasil | that means its working |
| 17:06.11 | Bor_Ed | should be static too... |
| 17:06.13 | wes|me3 | :) |
| 17:06.34 | Yggdrasil | and its very eficient linux static on ttop of that |
| 17:06.51 | wes|me3 | haha |
| 17:07.04 | Bor_Ed | dunno about that but works on testing the sound device |
| 17:07.08 | wes|me3 | yea, it gives me dependincy errors when i dpkg |
| 17:07.28 | Bor_Ed | you can apt-get the file then or install the deps with apt and the package with dpkg |
| 17:10.08 | wes|me3 | apt-get install ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb ? |
| 17:10.15 | wes|me3 | I dont know what you mean by 'the file' |
| 17:10.27 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install ./ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb |
| 17:10.44 | Bor_Ed | it'd try to locate the file from the sources without the path |
| 17:10.59 | Yggdrasil | wow |
| 17:11.04 | Yggdrasil | now thats a neat trick there |
| 17:11.11 | Bor_Ed | works |
| 17:11.25 | wes|me3 | that doesnt work . . . I must be doing something wrong |
| 17:11.32 | wes|me3 | says couldnt find package |
| 17:12.00 | Yggdrasil | wich pkg ? |
| 17:12.00 | wes|me3 | . |
| 17:12.01 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 17:12.03 | Bor_Ed | rite |
| 17:12.11 | wes|me3 | ;( |
| 17:12.17 | Bor_Ed | use dpkg |
| 17:12.46 | Bor_Ed | but install the deps with apt before that |
| 17:13.49 | wes|me3 | libglib 2.0.0 |
| 17:13.52 | wes|me3 | is that the best one? ha |
| 17:14.04 | wes|me3 | or 1.2 |
| 17:14.15 | Bor_Ed | a sec, I just had the deps up... |
| 17:14.53 | Bor_Ed | libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libstdc++5 |
| 17:15.13 | wbrown | when I try to install glib, it gives me more dep errors. . . I thought apt was supposed to take care of them for me |
| 17:15.24 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 17:15.34 | Bor_Ed | you're using etch or sid? |
| 17:15.41 | wbrown | etch |
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| 17:15.46 | Bor_Ed | that's the prob... |
| 17:15.53 | Yggdrasil | crap thats my fault |
| 17:15.54 | wbrown | crap. . |
| 17:16.05 | Bor_Ed | sarge is latest one which ain't dep prob happy |
| 17:16.16 | Bor_Ed | though you might be able to correct the deps with apt-get -f install |
| 17:16.38 | Yggdrasil | ithoguth sid was unstable |
| 17:16.57 | Bor_Ed | sid is unstable... and etch is 'testing'... both have issues every now and then |
| 17:17.04 | Bor_Ed | Setting up ibm-j2re1.5 (1.5.0) ... |
| 17:17.06 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 17:17.11 | Bor_Ed | apt-get -f install seemed to work here |
| 17:17.22 | wbrown | man so should I reinstall sarge |
| 17:17.33 | Yggdrasil | bor_ed so did i make the apprpriate recomendation to get him on etch ? |
| 17:17.39 | Yggdrasil | sid seemd a bit extreme |
| 17:17.41 | Bor_Ed | if you don't have nothing to loose and sarge supports the hardware... |
| 17:17.43 | Yggdrasil | wbrown no.. |
| 17:18.03 | Yggdrasil | i did it jsut cuz i thought the kernel was pretty old. |
| 17:18.13 | Yggdrasil | .4 |
| 17:18.15 | Bor_Ed | sid is for the brave ones yea... etch works mostly but it has its glitches |
| 17:18.28 | wbrown | I dont like that it doesnt do deps either |
| 17:18.38 | Yggdrasil | wbrown can you pastebin your sources.lst for us reall quick |
| 17:18.38 | wbrown | I did apt-get -f install |
| 17:18.42 | Bor_Ed | it does... just that they're not in sync all the time |
| 17:18.47 | wbrown | and it still wont let me get glib |
| 17:19.02 | Yggdrasil | lets just make sure that thats right before we freakfest |
| 17:19.16 | Bor_Ed | freakfest is always a good choice |
| 17:19.44 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 17:20.11 | wbrown | http://pastebin.ca/178743 |
| 17:20.21 | wbrown | thats the old one, its the same except it has etch in it instead of stable |
| 17:20.39 | Yggdrasil | well can yo ushow us the new one ? |
| 17:20.44 | Bor_Ed | did you do dist-upgrade yet? |
| 17:20.49 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 17:21.15 | Bor_Ed | buggr... hmm, you could go to sid then too as the sys is messed up with the missing deps already |
| 17:21.40 | Bor_Ed | sources seem correct btw |
| 17:22.35 | wes|me3 | apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt do anything |
| 17:22.58 | Bor_Ed | it'll do after apt-get update |
| 17:23.02 | Yggdrasil | or you could jsut wait a day |
| 17:23.07 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 17:23.12 | Yggdrasil | that sometime fixes things too |
| 17:23.23 | Bor_Ed | could be that the sources are fixed within a day yea |
| 17:23.43 | wes|me3 | can I just add new sources? |
| 17:23.49 | Bor_Ed | if you wish yea |
| 17:24.05 | wes|me3 | yeah, I would like to get things working |
| 17:24.10 | wes|me3 | can you give me some of yours |
| 17:24.13 | Yggdrasil | hmm. |
| 17:24.25 | Bor_Ed | a sec, I'll drop 'em to pastebin |
| 17:24.29 | Yggdrasil | hey wes|m3 try this |
| 17:24.40 | Yggdrasil | sudo apt-get install screen sudo |
| 17:24.44 | Yggdrasil | just wanna check something |
| 17:25.25 | Bor_Ed | http://www.mandrakehelp.com/pastebin.php?show=315 |
| 17:25.43 | wes|me3 | that didnt work Yggdrasil |
| 17:25.52 | Yggdrasil | sudo apt-get update |
| 17:25.53 | Yggdrasil | ? |
| 17:26.01 | wes|me3 | couldnt stat source package list a bunch of times |
| 17:26.15 | Yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 17:26.31 | Yggdrasil | make sure theres no mispellings in your sources.lst |
| 17:26.43 | wes|me3 | look at the poastebin |
| 17:26.44 | Bor_Ed | I went directly from sarge to sid with dist-upgrade after basesystem install |
| 17:27.02 | wes|me3 | do I have to change them to etch Bor_Ed |
| 17:27.12 | Bor_Ed | well yea... |
| 17:27.16 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 17:27.17 | Bor_Ed | or testing |
| 17:27.29 | Yggdrasil | ive got mine mixed on one box |
| 17:27.32 | Yggdrasil | strange |
| 17:27.33 | Bor_Ed | just needs the version naming changed, otherwise they work on every ver |
| 17:27.34 | wes|me3 | should I replace the old ones? |
| 17:27.37 | wes|me3 | or just add them |
| 17:27.48 | Bor_Ed | comment old ones out with # and paste new ones |
| 17:29.49 | wes|me3 | change unstable to etch? |
| 17:30.13 | wes|me3 | sorry, just dont want to screw it up |
| 17:30.20 | Bor_Ed | yea, you can do that |
| 17:31.37 | wes|me3 | ok I am doing apt-get update now |
| 17:31.59 | wes|me3 | what is it downloading now? |
| 17:32.17 | Bor_Ed | the package definitions |
| 17:33.26 | wes|me3 | corsac.net doesnt work, it gets errors |
| 17:33.41 | Bor_Ed | could be that it's only for sid |
| 17:33.51 | Bor_Ed | it's after all just xfce unofficial build source |
| 17:33.54 | wes|me3 | ok now should I try libglib1.2? |
| 17:34.05 | wes|me3 | oh |
| 17:34.22 | Bor_Ed | ibglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libstdc++5 |
| 17:34.31 | Bor_Ed | minus typo... |
| 17:34.57 | wes|me3 | weaird , now it says I have the most up to date versions of those |
| 17:35.04 | Yggdrasil | heahah |
| 17:35.09 | Yggdrasil | well install your java thing |
| 17:35.11 | Bor_Ed | oookay... |
| 17:36.02 | wes|me3 | cool it did it with no errors! |
| 17:36.12 | Yggdrasil | ! |
| 17:36.14 | Yggdrasil | dood |
| 17:36.19 | Yggdrasil | we are leet haceker |
| 17:36.20 | wes|me3 | I dont have javac though |
| 17:36.32 | Yggdrasil | mmm... |
| 17:36.54 | Bor_Ed | just noticed the same... probably installed somewhere weird location |
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| 17:37.31 | Yggdrasil | sudo updatedb |
| 17:37.35 | Yggdrasil | locate javac ? |
| 17:37.58 | Bor_Ed | buggr, probably in the sdk only |
| 17:38.05 | wes|me3 | yeah |
| 17:38.10 | Bor_Ed | http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/pool/breezy/non-free/ibm-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb |
| 17:38.18 | Yggdrasil | hahaha |
| 17:38.21 | Yggdrasil | brezzy ? |
| 17:38.27 | Yggdrasil | thats intersting to see |
| 17:38.42 | Bor_Ed | that's ubu ver... though packages seem to work on debian too |
| 17:39.13 | Yggdrasil | ive snuck one or 2 of those in in my time |
| 17:40.40 | wes|me3 | ok. . . while that is dling what are the things I should get for video. . mesa? |
| 17:41.11 | Bor_Ed | I don't have such new gear here to help out... try to google for correct XF86Config-4 example file |
| 17:41.32 | wes|me3 | damn. . |
| 17:41.37 | wes|me3 | well what other stuff should I get :) |
| 17:41.52 | Bor_Ed | you'll find out while you use the sys |
| 17:43.58 | wes|me3 | thanks for the help Bor_Ed |
| 17:44.16 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 17:44.18 | wes|me3 | this channel needs to be posted more places. . . I couldn find a debian specific channel anywhere else |
| 17:44.29 | Bor_Ed | www.debian.org ... |
| 17:44.43 | Bor_Ed | has the irc mentioned on small font |
| 17:44.53 | Yggdrasil | yea i jsut stumbled upon it accidentaly too |
| 17:45.17 | Yggdrasil | somehow i just thought there would a channel named this and i wassuprised it was here |
| 17:45.39 | Bor_Ed | usually foss projects have channel named the same in this network or oftc |
| 17:46.56 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 17:47.12 | Yggdrasil | ok im gonna go home for the day and get my server back in order |
| 17:47.14 | Yggdrasil | bbl |
| 17:47.22 | wes|me3 | later |
| 17:47.43 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll check out the mails here |
| 17:48.43 | wes|me3 | Bor_Ed, http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/pbook/XF86Config-4 here is one but how does this file help me? will it show what packages they have installed? |
| 17:49.23 | Bor_Ed | if you have any desktop installed, you have the required packages in |
| 17:55.53 | wes|me3 | so what do I need to do if the packages are already installed, configure that x86 file? |
| 17:56.27 | Bor_Ed | copy the file over to /etc/X11/ and edit it to your needs, keyboard language, screen modes and such |
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| 18:09.13 | wes|me3 | it looks like there are no radeon drivers |
| 18:09.21 | wes|me3 | except the ones that comes with xfree86 |
| 18:09.49 | wes|me3 | so I changed the driver to "radeon" |
| 18:09.51 | wes|me3 | instead of ati |
| 18:10.14 | wes|me3 | anyway I can test it? |
| 18:10.30 | Bor_Ed | restart X |
| 18:11.44 | wes|me3 | seems maybe a little quicker |
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| 19:06.01 | wes|me3 | Bor_Ed, someone told me that http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/dri-howto.xml these instructions would be similar to the debian configuration |
| 19:06.05 | wes|me3 | is that so? |
| 19:06.44 | Bor_Ed | it'd work on sid or etch most probably |
| 19:06.48 | Bor_Ed | sid for sure |
| 19:08.59 | wes|me3 | lib2drm is what I want? |
| 19:09.14 | wes|me3 | libdrm2 I mean |
| 19:09.21 | Bor_Ed | should be installed by the X already |
| 19:09.27 | wes|me3 | yep, you're right |
| 19:11.26 | wes|me3 | also. . . are there cpu tweaks I should do? It doesnt feel as snappy as os x |
| 19:12.10 | Bor_Ed | the powerbook again? you can fiddle the cpu frequency range in /proc/ land afaik... again, I don't have the gear here so that's just what I've heard/seen |
| 19:21.23 | wes|me3 | is there a debian equivilent to muneconfig to configure the kernal? |
| 19:22.04 | Bor_Ed | menuconfig? yea... that's called menuconfig... and the thingy is kernEl, kernAl was a rom on 8 bit home computers |
| 19:24.32 | wes|me3 | oh whoops ;\ |
| 19:24.54 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:25.10 | wes|me3 | where is menuconfig located |
| 19:25.40 | Bor_Ed | it's in kernel source scripts... one launches it with: make menuconfig ... command on the source root dir |
| 19:26.01 | Bor_Ed | if you don't know how to launch it, you don't really need it |
| 19:28.46 | yggdrasi1 | hey guys whats up |
| 19:29.08 | Bor_Ed | the moon... actually ~3% of it |
| 19:29.46 | yggdrasi1 | yar |
| 19:30.06 | yggdrasi1 | cool |
| 19:30.23 | Bor_Ed | hmm, couple of stars too now that I checked from balcony |
| 19:31.26 | yggdrasi1 | bor_ed you know why i might be having a problem running 2.6-17.2 kernel. ? somethins fishy with ramdisk perhaps ? |
| 19:31.30 | yggdrasi1 | using old world mac |
| 19:32.14 | Bor_Ed | I haven't been able to launch more recent kernel than this prebuilt 2.6.8 so far... tell me how it goes with you |
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| 19:37.24 | yggdrasi1 | hmmm. |
| 19:37.30 | yggdrasi1 | yea i will seems somethign with the ramdisk |
| 19:37.38 | yggdrasi1 | i found it odd that it was simlinked |
| 19:37.42 | yggdrasi1 | ill work it |
| 19:37.51 | Bor_Ed | symlink works |
| 19:38.41 | yggdrasi1 | hmm yea but i have to move my stuff onto the .. |
| 19:38.44 | yggdrasi1 | hfs part |
| 19:38.55 | yggdrasi1 | bor_ed what do i need to apt for usb hard drive support? |
| 19:39.30 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install hotplug discover2 |
| 19:39.43 | Bor_Ed | probably installed already |
| 19:39.48 | yggdrasi1 | yea |
| 19:40.12 | yggdrasi1 | couldnt find pkg discover2 |
| 19:40.16 | yggdrasi1 | what repos it on |
| 19:40.24 | Bor_Ed | discover or discovery then |
| 19:40.36 | Bor_Ed | can't recall offhand, buggr I should be sleeping already |
| 19:40.48 | yggdrasi1 | ahh now were seeing some action here |
| 19:40.51 | yggdrasi1 | cool thanks |
| 19:41.26 | yggdrasi1 | uh oh its removing stuff |
| 19:41.27 | yggdrasi1 | haha |
| 19:41.36 | Bor_Ed | probably older stuff |
| 19:41.55 | yggdrasi1 | well ifwell find out |
| 19:43.30 | wes|me3 | yggdrasi1, have you ever installed on a laptop? It just doesnt seem as quick as osx. . . is there something I should modify? |
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| 20:15.51 | wes|me3 | Bor_Ed, glxgears gets .75 fps . . then crashs gnome |
| 20:26.56 | wes|me3 | I dont think there is any way to get 3d acceleration for my radeon 9600 |
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