| 00:08.58 | snadge-w | yep |
| 00:10.15 | snadge-w | im waiting for the ps3 to be released.. should be interesting to see how many people we get to see coming in here, looking for a replacement for yellow dog linux :P |
| 00:10.42 | snadge-w | i mean.. who cares about running linux on old macs, seriously |
| 00:10.53 | snadge-w | just have a look at how many people arn't in here ;) |
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| 08:11.39 | ctr | Hallo, I have a G4 iBook and installed stable and dist-upgraded to unstable. How do I force a reconfigure X? |
| 08:36.44 | DelTree | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... or something like that... |
| 08:40.03 | snadge | okay.. so occasionally someone runs debian on an ibook, interesting ;) |
| 09:21.12 | ctr | Yeah I do use it on a ibook |
| 09:21.20 | ctr | As I take it places I need linux and osx |
| 09:21.43 | snadge | how usable is linux on the ibook? |
| 09:22.41 | ctr | Seems fine here |
| 09:22.50 | ctr | I just moved from ubunutu to debian |
| 09:25.06 | DelTree | it's fully usable... apart from non-free shits like java & flash... |
| 09:25.54 | ctr | Yeah |
| 09:26.05 | ctr | I got wifi working as well with airport extreme |
| 09:27.29 | DelTree | airport extreme supported now ? |
| 09:27.35 | DelTree | or is it simple airport ? |
| 09:27.45 | DelTree | s/simple/simply |
| 09:28.00 | ctr | airport extreme |
| 09:28.05 | ctr | Even had WPA working :P |
| 09:28.16 | DelTree | good... |
| 09:36.00 | snadge | i dont have any powerpc based hardware.. but im looking to make a future investment :P |
| 09:36.49 | snadge | im pretty sure you should be able to get java for ppc, since IBM have a lot of ppc hardware and a java implementation |
| 09:37.07 | snadge | flash.. well you cant even get a 64 bit x86 version of that, forget about it ;) |
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| 09:50.51 | snadge | im particularly curious as to what will happen after the ps3 is released, and whether there is any interest in the community to attempt to support it.. given the fact that terrasoft is committed to supporting it, with Yellow Dog Linux 5 |
| 10:00.24 | ctr | Yeah |
| 10:03.24 | snadge | my initial investigations reveal a deep hatred towards sony and general negativity |
| 10:05.55 | snadge | either that or total apathy.. so far my excitement meter has failed to register even the faintest hint of a signal |
| 10:07.21 | ctr | I'm personally not all that interested in the ps3 |
| 10:07.25 | ctr | It is too expensive |
| 10:07.36 | ctr | And there is nothing coming out for it that really makes me think 'wow' |
| 10:07.40 | snadge | in the unlikely event that nobody is interested, i will set up a website about it myself.. and attempt to do it |
| 10:09.35 | snadge | it becomes then a tedious task of analysing how ydl has set up its bootloader etc, and seeing if somehow debian can be made to boot into the ppc installer.. and just going from there |
| 10:10.13 | snadge | you know that it can process over a teraflop right? :) |
| 10:10.32 | ctr | Woo! |
| 10:10.43 | snadge | and it has 3.2ghz system ram |
| 10:11.11 | snadge | its a bit more exciting than an iBook im sorry to say |
| 10:11.29 | snadge | makes it look kinda sad in comparison |
| 10:11.47 | ctr | Oh sure |
| 10:11.53 | ctr | But I can't use a ps3 on a plane :) |
| 10:12.20 | snadge | you should be excited about it.. apple abandoned powerpc in favour of x86 |
| 10:12.33 | ctr | But that is a stupid argument |
| 10:12.34 | snadge | IBM has re-injected life into the powerpc |
| 10:12.44 | ctr | I use ppc in my imac and ibook because that is what it came with |
| 10:12.57 | ctr | It didn't influence my purchasing decision |
| 10:13.05 | snadge | whether you love or hate the ps3 is irrelevant.. it can only be beneficial to you even indirectly, as it uses the PowerPC ISA |
| 10:13.22 | snadge | as does xbox 360 and nintendo wii |
| 10:13.33 | snadge | the 3 most significant next generation gaming platforms |
| 10:14.59 | snadge | im purchasing a ps3, because of the technology inside it, and the fact that sony and other parties are committed to fully supporting linux on it |
| 10:15.14 | ctr | Fair enough |
| 10:15.20 | ctr | I buy games consoles to play games |
| 10:15.54 | snadge | i'd buy a cell workstation.. but you think a ps3 is expensive.. lol |
| 10:16.07 | snadge | sony are selling it at a loss for $600 (US) |
| 10:16.11 | ctr | For a games console the ps3 is hideously expensive |
| 10:16.34 | snadge | a cell workstation (if you can even get IBM to sell you one) |
| 10:16.36 | ctr | If I was buying a new powerful linux workstation then, yes, the ps3 is a good buy |
| 10:16.40 | ctr | But I don't want one for that |
| 10:16.47 | ctr | I run OS X 95% of the time |
| 10:16.52 | snadge | is worth many times that |
| 10:17.11 | ctr | snadge, I am a gamer, I look at these things differently to you :) |
| 10:17.16 | snadge | people are already talking about porting OS X to the ps3 ;) |
| 10:17.37 | ctr | snadge, not to mention I want a Peter Lynn 16m Venom kite surf kite, which is about the same price of a ps3 :) |
| 10:17.57 | snadge | well i've been putting off a pc upgrade for years now |
| 10:18.07 | snadge | and have the money saved up for a ps3 hehe |
| 10:18.14 | ctr | Cool :) |
| 10:18.22 | ctr | I have a Wii on pre-order |
| 10:19.40 | snadge | i can understand that.. very cool, people are talking about 360 vs ps3 |
| 10:19.52 | snadge | but thats arguing about whos number 2 or number 3 :) |
| 10:19.52 | ctr | I play a lot less games now as I am usually out freestyle kite-landboarding |
| 10:20.15 | ctr | So, with limited funds I have to make hard choices. |
| 10:20.20 | ctr | The wii was a very easy choice :D |
| 10:20.42 | snadge | the wii is clearly going to be the winner, nintendo are market leaders.. its clearly the "funnest" of all 3 |
| 10:20.48 | ctr | I don't see myself getting a 360 or a ps3 for another year or so |
| 10:20.49 | snadge | and will have the most unique, and entertaining games.. and reach the widest audience |
| 10:21.27 | snadge | although i clearly have no love for microsoft, i'd hope the ps3 comes down in price enough to be an attractive option.. especially if you can boot debian on it :) |
| 10:22.02 | ctr | But the number of people who want to boot linux on a console is about 0.01% of the people who purchase it |
| 10:22.24 | snadge | the only difference between the ps3 and a computer |
| 10:22.31 | snadge | is you can plug cards into a computer, and upgrade its ram |
| 10:22.35 | snadge | other than that, identical |
| 10:23.08 | snadge | you can argue that functionality doesnt determine what makes a computer.. quite easily |
| 10:23.22 | ctr | Oh sure |
| 10:23.22 | snadge | it has standard usb ports you can plug a keyboard and mouse into, and dual display capable of high resolution |
| 10:23.27 | ctr | The xbox is just a pc in a black box |
| 10:23.35 | ctr | But it is the software on them that makes them differ |
| 10:23.56 | snadge | sony is distributing linux on the 20gb drive that you can buy for it |
| 10:24.05 | snadge | and encouraging its use |
| 10:24.19 | snadge | microsoft has no such plans obviously |
| 10:24.31 | ctr | Hah, I *bet* it'll be restricted and not allow you to do useful things |
| 10:24.57 | snadge | it will be yellow dog linux 5.. and be subject to the same rules as all linux distributions |
| 10:25.01 | snadge | meaning obtainable source |
| 10:25.17 | snadge | they may or may not choose to support the blue ray dvd playback, or accelerated opengl |
| 10:25.40 | snadge | but you can bet whether sony wants people to or not.. it will be done |
| 10:26.46 | ctr | If enough talented people want it |
| 10:27.00 | snadge | and even without these features.. it makes an awesome seti@home client ;) |
| 10:27.14 | snadge | smashes through those blocks hehe |
| 10:27.28 | ctr | Woo! |
| 10:27.38 | ctr | I've never done any of that stuff |
| 10:27.44 | ctr | I even turn my computers off at night :) |
| 10:28.18 | snadge | the RSX GPU thats in the ps3, is based on an nvidia G70 (7800GTX) |
| 10:28.32 | snadge | nvidia already have powerpc linux drivers |
| 10:28.56 | snadge | so accelerated video and 3d playback shouldn't be an issue |
| 10:29.18 | ctr | I'm sure it'll rock |
| 10:29.27 | ctr | But unless it ran OSX |
| 10:29.32 | ctr | I'd not use it full time |
| 10:29.36 | ctr | My favourite apps are OSX only |
| 10:29.55 | snadge | well the thing is.. to upgrade the ram in the ps3 (if its even possible) |
| 10:29.59 | snadge | you have to crack out a soldering iron |
| 10:30.13 | ctr | Why do you need to upgrade the RAM? |
| 10:30.14 | snadge | now im quite prepared to do this :P |
| 10:30.37 | snadge | it only has 256mb of XDR ram (3.2ghz) and 256mb of GDDR3 for the RSX |
| 10:30.46 | snadge | the processor can address the video ram though |
| 10:30.49 | snadge | but the point is, its limiting |
| 10:30.54 | ctr | Yeah |
| 10:31.03 | ctr | For a desktop machine you'd want atleast 2Gb |
| 10:31.15 | snadge | i'd be happy if i can squeeze a gig into it |
| 10:31.27 | snadge | they're already talking about custom interfaces, optimisations etc |
| 10:31.32 | snadge | to make even the 512mb usable |
| 10:31.33 | ctr | But I bet XDR ram, 1Gb will cost as much as a ps3 :) |
| 10:31.49 | snadge | it will be available next year from samsung and toshiba |
| 10:31.51 | snadge | and yes |
| 10:32.19 | ctr | Suddently the attraction of a ps3 as a desktop machine is diminishing |
| 10:32.22 | snadge | not to mention a mistake making the modifications, would be a very expensive one |
| 10:32.31 | snadge | im still going to do it ;) |
| 10:32.44 | ctr | Go for it :) |
| 10:35.04 | snadge | i wonder how the free360 guys are doing.. |
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