| 00:30.23 | lanceee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.27 | lanceee | what does it mean? |
| 00:30.27 | lanceee | :> |
| 00:30.35 | lanceee | I have a bad feeling about this |
| 00:31.24 | pahartik | lanceee: while using "apt-get"? |
| 00:31.39 | lanceee | yes |
| 00:32.37 | pahartik | lanceee: add 'APT::Cache-Limit "16777216";' to "/etc/apt/apt.conf" |
| 00:35.10 | lanceee | thanks it's working |
| 00:35.24 | lanceee | I understand, the package file size was too big |
| 00:36.16 | lanceee | I hope u guys not gave me X86 sources because I just started a dist-upgrade ;) |
| 00:36.58 | lanceee | it would be kinda interesting when my up to date system cannot execute anything |
| 00:37.00 | lanceee | :) |
| 00:38.34 | pahartik | lanceee: I got that problem about two moons ago, as package database grew past default size limit... |
| 00:45.20 | pahartik | lanceee: if I would set up Debian archive mirror, I would include everything except wintel architectures :) |
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| 02:08.46 | lanceee | after libc upgrade its gone horribly wrong |
| 02:08.50 | lanceee | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.00 | lanceee | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 02:09.10 | lanceee | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 02:25.58 | lanceee | -t stable |
| 02:26.02 | lanceee | worked |
| 02:26.05 | lanceee | :) |
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| 03:47.47 | pahartik | lanceee: I do not remember seeing such problem |
| 03:50.19 | pahartik | lanceee: but then again, I have not tried "dist-upgrade" often... I just choose package versions manually with "aptitude" |
| 04:01.12 | lanceee | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 04:01.26 | lanceee | so this is the other reason why I cannot upgrade libc :( |
| 04:01.58 | lanceee | the kernel is 2.4.19 thats right |
| 04:02.07 | lanceee | but unfortunetly I cant upgrade it on this machine |
| 04:02.12 | lanceee | almost impossible |
| 04:02.28 | lanceee | who created the original kernel disappeared and he put a tons of patch to it |
| 04:02.55 | lanceee | I tried many ppc kernel but none of them working |
| 04:11.31 | pahartik | lanceee: are you used to build kernel packages from source? |
| 04:16.44 | lanceee | http://solinno.co.uk/7043-140/ |
| 04:16.51 | lanceee | I have this machine |
| 04:17.10 | lanceee | a real pain in the ass prep |
| 04:17.21 | lanceee | I tried to build own kernel but I can't |
| 04:17.52 | lanceee | only this kernel works, even if the guy compiled more |
| 04:19.18 | pahartik | lanceee: damn that |
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| 05:26.35 | lanceee | I'm tired anyway |
| 05:26.39 | lanceee | good night |
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| 09:18.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, any easy to conf pci or usb wireless nic around for ppc at decent price? |
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| 09:28.23 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what do you want to do with it? |
| 09:28.41 | Bor_Ed | want to use as access point to a lappie |
| 09:29.41 | Bor_Ed | if no such exists, I'd have a beige g3 for sale |
| 09:33.32 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I would suggest using Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 adapter and running "pand" |
| 09:36.16 | Bor_Ed | well, I need a bit more distance than bt... and I think the lappie doesn't have bt |
| 09:36.34 | Bor_Ed | yea, no bt |
| 09:44.06 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: if laptop does not have Bluetooth 2.0 class 1 adapter, or 2 megabits per second is not fast enough, then I suggest using 802.11 device like Linksys WRT54GL with OpenWRT firmware |
| 09:45.57 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: by the way, range of Bluetooth class 2 is ~10 meters, range of Bluetooth class 1 is ~100 meters |
| 09:46.34 | Bor_Ed | wrt54gl is a bit on expensive side and I really don't need another dsl box here |
| 09:47.27 | Bor_Ed | well, got to think about that if I can dump this box to somewhere |
| 09:49.27 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ralink drivers work on ppc too? seems that they ship as opensource at least |
| 09:50.26 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: oh, I did not exactly think of it as expensive... and... what do you mean by "dsl box"? |
| 09:50.46 | Bor_Ed | a-link dsl adapter with built in switch |
| 09:54.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: uh, yes... I see "dsl box"... but define "another dsl box"? |
| 09:55.07 | Bor_Ed | the wrt54gl |
| 09:57.16 | Bor_Ed | sent query about 20 eur usb wifi stick, that oughta work for me dangit |
| 09:57.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: why would you call "Linksys WRT54GL" "another dsl box"? it has got nothing to do with DSL... |
| 09:58.09 | Bor_Ed | well, 'another brick' then if that makes you happy :) |
| 09:59.32 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll settle with the a-link stick and see if it works out ok |
| 10:01.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I think I sensed "promise of adventure" :) |
| 10:09.05 | Bor_Ed | well, I'm cheap :D |
| 10:09.17 | Bor_Ed | and have no rush getting it all figured out |
| 10:18.09 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: very good |
| 10:21.23 | Bor_Ed | the lappie will have wired lan too so no probs there for now :D |
| 10:25.53 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I often use twisted-pair ethernet on iBook G4 as well, since Bluetooth is not fast enough for streaming DVB content... no wires is good every now and then |
| 10:26.53 | Bor_Ed | I don't have dvb here except for the streamed material from the net on xbox... and sure am using wired etherned for that |
| 10:32.29 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but since most content I watch is stored on harddisk of DVB server before watching, it is easy to "cp -a" from NFS to "/tmp/", if watching outside reach of wires is required |
| 10:32.51 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: hmm, at moment I am in bed with iBook G4 |
| 10:33.03 | Bor_Ed | I don't 'do' my boxes that way :D |
| 10:33.25 | Bor_Ed | well, when I'm away from keyboard I tend to have the pda behind cell phones 3g uplink |
| 10:33.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: maybe you should try |
| 10:34.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm :D |
| 10:36.33 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: so you use Bluetooth as well quite often? |
| 10:36.54 | Bor_Ed | nope, irda |
| 10:37.04 | Bor_Ed | pda doesn't have bt hacked in yet |
| 10:37.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: old PalmOS device? |
| 10:38.07 | Bor_Ed | naa, epoc r5 |
| 10:38.17 | Bor_Ed | ericsson mc218 |
| 10:39.24 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: oh yes, EPOC... |
| 10:39.38 | Bor_Ed | I've got happy penguin on it though :) |
| 10:42.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: sounds quite good, except for lack of Bluetooth... my PalmOS PDA has only got IrDA, but that is not biggest problem I had with it |
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| 10:43.12 | Bor_Ed | there is a bt hack for 5mx with modded usb thumb connected to serial |
| 10:43.21 | Bor_Ed | could work with palm too with correct stack |
| 10:43.48 | Bor_Ed | http://www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/psion5mx/blue/ <<-- that one |
| 10:44.32 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: my PalmOS device will be retired in ~30 days |
| 10:45.08 | Bor_Ed | getting a 3g phone? :D |
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| 10:46.53 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: PDA device that comes from factory with Linux... and Maemo interface... :) |
| 10:47.48 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 10:47.51 | Bor_Ed | rubber boot |
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| 10:50.45 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I would like to get Nokia N92 as well, to get DVB-H and WCDMA in single device... but for now, I will just use plain GPRS with it, as current telephone does have Bluetooth |
| 10:51.52 | Bor_Ed | hmm, get 3g card to 770? works too |
| 10:52.29 | Bor_Ed | buggr xcdroast gives weird whines |
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| 10:52.48 | Bor_Ed | seems ti can't find the writer device |
| 10:52.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no card |
| 10:54.33 | Bor_Ed | works just as fine as phone and data uplink |
| 10:56.40 | Bor_Ed | wodim has different syntax again... bleh |
| 11:01.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: which WCDMA provider do you use? which device? |
| 11:06.24 | Bor_Ed | elisa with sonyericsson k600i |
| 11:11.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I was checking out WCDMA coverage maps on yesterday, but only managed to find maps provided by Sonera... other services (Elisa, DNA) were broken and did not want to show map content... |
| 11:11.41 | Bor_Ed | elisa works here ~10km from downtown radius |
| 11:12.22 | Bor_Ed | for the rest there's still gsm900/1800 and gprs |
| 11:13.01 | Bor_Ed | sorina seems to have pretty much the same coverage, a friend has sony k800i with tele finland and has similar experiences |
| 11:13.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: that was impression I got... as long as I stay within city (location such as park or cafe), WCDMA would be reachable |
| 11:14.43 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 11:15.08 | Bor_Ed | some E-roads have started to get coverage too at least in mid and west finland |
| 11:15.10 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but when being on vehicle between cities, there is no WCDMA or EDGE... just plain GPRS :) |
| 11:15.36 | Bor_Ed | well, gprs rocks over gsm data so :D |
| 11:16.19 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I am quite happy with GPRS too... so not in much hurry with WCDMA |
| 11:16.47 | Bor_Ed | gprs has loads of lag and highly limited upstream bandwidth compared to 3g data |
| 11:17.04 | Bor_Ed | and I wanted video calls too to keep in touch with the family |
| 11:19.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I know about big latency of GPRS... bandwidth is not problem for me... and moving everything through compressed SSH tunnel makes use of bandwidth more efficient |
| 11:20.56 | Bor_Ed | yea, except for the device lag of cpu power -> slow transfers :) |
| 11:21.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: yes, damn that... |
| 11:24.43 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: DVB-H broadcast is officially available in Tampere by end of 2006... I am interested about that |
| 11:26.28 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no money to buy Nokia N92 any day soon after Nokia 770 though... unless I suddenly find job or something |
| 11:29.49 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and I do not want to get telephone through long-term deal with service provider... |
| 11:35.03 | Bor_Ed | yea, I bought the phone independly too because of I can't afford the deals |
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| 18:40.39 | Eludias | Which gcc version produces best code for 740/750 processors? |
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| 19:13.44 | pahartik | Eludias: supposedly latest version |
| 19:25.25 | Eludias | Ok, crosscompiling 4.1.0 right now :) |
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| 20:56.43 | xelif | HI. can anybody help me build my kernel on PPC? Do I use 'make install' ? |
| 20:58.36 | pahartik | xelif: since this is #DebianPPC channel, I suggest using "make-kpkg" of "kernel-package" and installing with "dpkg --install" |
| 20:59.21 | xelif | pahartik: Actually, I using fedora, but none of the 253 people on that channel answered my query. :-) |
| 21:00.19 | pahartik | xelif: well, it has been years since I installed kernel outside packaging system... |
| 21:00.46 | xelif | pahartik: OK, thanks anyway |
| 21:01.05 | xelif | I wonder if anyone else is awake ... |
| 21:01.48 | xelif | Bye |
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