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| 07:51.41 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348 klick plx |
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| 07:52.07 | Bor_Ed | mmm, spam :D |
| 07:52.50 | Bor_Ed | not even on top 20 |
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| 17:46.34 | simonrvn | mofo |
| 17:46.40 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 17:46.54 | simonrvn | :D |
| 17:47.10 | Bor_Ed | got to be desperate to randomly spam on irc to get hits |
| 17:47.19 | simonrvn | yeh really |
| 17:47.31 | simonrvn | #d got hit by similar earlier |
| 17:47.49 | Bor_Ed | pantynet has those rolling constantly on random chans |
| 17:47.59 | simonrvn | ugh :( |
| 17:48.20 | Bor_Ed | well, the network is dying so no big loss |
| 17:48.28 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 17:56.51 | tonyr | hello? |
| 17:57.47 | Bor_Ed | ¿hello |
| 18:00.47 | simonrvn | hello! |
| 18:02.04 | tonyr | Hi. I'm refurbishing an iMac with a dead PRAM battery. I replaced the battery with a new one and started the alternate install. It get's to the question about time being UTC or Local. What's the answer? UTC time some time in 1904 or 1970? What good is that and what is the consequence and where can I find the answer? |
| 18:02.30 | Bor_Ed | UTC == universal timezone == greenwitch time |
| 18:02.36 | simonrvn | uh, no. it's a timezone |
| 18:02.48 | Bor_Ed | usually you don't have the clock in that |
| 18:03.01 | simonrvn | utc == universal time coordinated |
| 18:03.06 | Bor_Ed | sorry :) |
| 18:03.14 | simonrvn | close :) |
| 18:03.20 | Bor_Ed | buggr |
| 18:04.32 | simonrvn | tonyr: i think you're getting confused with unix epoch, which *started* jan 1 1970 at midnight that day |
| 18:04.55 | simonrvn | 1904 is mac os classic start date ... |
| 18:05.11 | Bor_Ed | jobs did macs already in then? :) |
| 18:05.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:06.16 | tonyr | Hey guys all I wanna do is get the clock to something sane before the installation starts, or know that the installation will 'do the right thing'. |
| 18:06.34 | Bor_Ed | tell it that you aren't on utc |
| 18:09.43 | tonyr | Bor_Ed: Then what happens to the files created during installation? Do they get the old-timey timestamp? |
| 18:10.22 | Bor_Ed | not that I recall off... fsck might whine on first boot if the clock ain't on correct time |
| 18:16.18 | tonyr | All: OK and thanks. I'll go off an play with this for awhile. |
| 18:16.25 | Bor_Ed | have fun |
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| 18:39.19 | simonrvn | date -s "whatever" ;) |
| 18:39.40 | Bor_Ed | and hwclock --systohc (iirc) |
| 18:41.18 | simonrvn | after you set the system clock, hw clock needs the right time after, and that'd be the command ;) |
| 18:42.14 | Bor_Ed | been a while since I had to mess with install stuff on debian... the fresh install of 4.0 went in like charm to the obsoleted desktop of mine (g3/315) |
| 18:43.40 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:44.03 | simonrvn | how did you boot? fresh install, or just upgrade? |
| 18:44.15 | Bor_Ed | 500M classic OS partition and bootx |
| 18:44.28 | Bor_Ed | changed HDs in it so had to do fresh install |
| 18:44.38 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:45.16 | simonrvn | same here, though not fresh install, downgraded from sid to etch, and moved the HDDs to it |
| 18:45.57 | simonrvn | judicious use of aptitude and staying clam in the midst of 200 broken packages helps ;) |
| 18:46.04 | simonrvn | calm* |
| 18:46.07 | Bor_Ed | only thingy bugging is the forced quik install and because of that I had to reinstall macos disk drivers back |
| 18:46.19 | simonrvn | yeh, that's a PITA |
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| 18:46.34 | Bor_Ed | quik _should_ work on the buggr... |
| 18:47.04 | simonrvn | have a ge desktop here too, and i still haven't been able to boot the thing.... HDD died in it though (this one g3 beige *was* a fresh install) |
| 18:47.13 | simonrvn | have a g3* |
| 18:48.03 | simonrvn | so it's stcuk with a dead ide drive and mac os classic untill i can find a decently sized ide drive :/ |
| 18:48.05 | Bor_Ed | the newworld g3 we have here will have debian too at some point instead of classic os but that'll be in time |
| 18:48.54 | simonrvn | nice |
| 18:49.22 | simonrvn | i should go find one for wife, be better for her than the beige |
| 18:49.56 | Bor_Ed | I bought g3/600 imac with 768M ram and 40G HD at 60'ish eur from univ auction site a while back for the girl |
| 18:50.14 | simonrvn | fuck wow |
| 18:50.23 | Bor_Ed | yea, a bit low on ram :D |
| 18:50.31 | simonrvn | actually not bad |
| 18:50.42 | Bor_Ed | I'd say it was a good deal to |
| 18:51.05 | simonrvn | more ram than my so-called 'production server' |
| 18:51.25 | Bor_Ed | my desktop (lappie) has less ram than kids play toy damnit |
| 18:51.33 | Bor_Ed | and server has 80M here... enough for now |
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| 18:52.08 | simonrvn | Mem: 313348k total, 281624k used, 31724k free |
| 18:52.21 | Bor_Ed | 320M? |
| 18:52.23 | simonrvn | Swap: ... 283176k .. |
| 18:52.28 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:52.38 | Bor_Ed | enough for most tasks |
| 18:52.41 | simonrvn | something like that |
| 18:52.56 | simonrvn | i run php in apache, mysql,... need it |
| 18:53.08 | simonrvn | need more, it's swapping too much for my taste |
| 18:53.20 | simonrvn | though for now it's ok |
| 18:53.24 | Bor_Ed | I have boa, sshd, proftpd and some shells/screens as well as bots on my server :) |
| 18:53.53 | Bor_Ed | even the 80M and 200MHz 603ev is overkill |
| 18:54.45 | simonrvn | for console stuff yeh. gui is bloated so of course you gotta soak that up... |
| 18:55.23 | Bor_Ed | I don't have gui at all on the server... nor kb or screen |
| 18:55.31 | simonrvn | me neither ;) |
| 18:55.33 | Bor_Ed | just serial and ethernet connections |
| 18:56.07 | Bor_Ed | next server (the g3) will have remote X logins enabled since I will let it serve some 486sx's :) |
| 18:56.17 | simonrvn | nice |
| 18:56.46 | Bor_Ed | well, just building the 486 to 256M flash card with bare X and scripts to call the server for xdm |
| 18:58.13 | simonrvn | oh neat |
| 18:58.36 | simonrvn | gonna run matchbox or something on them? |
| 18:58.42 | Bor_Ed | enough when feeling lazy and not bothering to power up lappie or 'real' computer |
| 18:58.47 | Bor_Ed | naa, xfce from the server :D |
| 18:58.49 | Bor_Ed | naturally |
| 18:58.53 | simonrvn | cool |
| 18:59.05 | Bor_Ed | the client just needs X configured, no wms or anything |
| 18:59.26 | Bor_Ed | had such setup way back on serial uplink... worked but was a bit sluggish on moz, oo and such |
| 18:59.55 | simonrvn | on serial, of course it'd be sluggish ;) |
| 19:00.09 | Bor_Ed | it was 115kbps uplink... worked but wasn't that fast |
| 19:00.17 | simonrvn | thos apps are resource intensive |
| 19:00.22 | simonrvn | not bad |
| 19:00.37 | simonrvn | need Mbit range though for those |
| 19:00.39 | Bor_Ed | the loading was worst part, usnig was almost ok |
| 19:00.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:01.02 | simonrvn | it's like non-LAN usage |
| 19:01.09 | Bor_Ed | more or less yea |
| 19:01.10 | simonrvn | ssh link |
| 19:02.02 | Bor_Ed | X apps over ssh actually runs ok on 384kbs w-cdma link :D |
| 19:02.35 | simonrvn | some yeh, certainly |
| 19:02.54 | simonrvn | i wouldn't do something like a game or oo on it though |
| 19:03.10 | Bor_Ed | naa, well, any remote X is out of question on games |
| 19:03.57 | simonrvn | for sure hehe |
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| 20:01.04 | Bor_Ed | http://myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm |
| 20:01.15 | Bor_Ed | mac os 7.1 on flash browser |
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| 22:18.43 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 22:19.09 | Bor_Ed | some work imo |
| 22:40.28 | simonrvn | wow |
| 22:43.01 | simonrvn | still have a functional m68k box here that could run it =) |