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| 07:12.59 | lymeca | Hi I just installed Debian 4.0 on a PowerBook G4 |
| 07:13.24 | lymeca | I had a ~62KB (not sure on the exact size) small partition at hda1 which I kept in tact |
| 07:13.39 | lymeca | And I deleted the 79.9GB HFS+ partition where I had Mac OS X installed to |
| 07:13.58 | lymeca | So now as it stands I have hda1 as the small Apple partition that I never touched |
| 07:14.05 | lymeca | and hda2 is my ext3 / partition |
| 07:14.24 | lymeca | Debian is installed and no problems with the installation...EXCEPT the boot loader failed to install! |
| 07:14.33 | lymeca | It can't boot up now =[ |
| 07:15.07 | lymeca | I need to install the boot lodaer but it complained about no partition available to install it to |
| 07:15.26 | lymeca | This confused me because that's what I though that tiny hda1 partition was for |
| 07:15.57 | lymeca | So I guess my question is: can I install the boot lodaer (Yaboot I think it is called) onto /dev/hda without touching the Debian installation I already have? |
| 07:18.23 | MrCooper | I'm afraid not; the recommended size for the yaboot partition is 800K IIRC |
| 07:19.33 | DelTree | what partitionning do you have now ? |
| 07:19.38 | MrCooper | though you could try just making sure the tiny partition you have is suitable otherwise |
| 07:31.41 | lymeca | DelTree: hda1-4, hda1 is the small Apple parition, hda2 is a 7GB / partition ext3, hda3 is 72GB /home ext3, hda4 is 1GB swap |
| 07:32.57 | DelTree | what does "mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda" say ? |
| 07:35.16 | lymeca | Hmm |
| 07:35.20 | lymeca | How can I find out? |
| 07:35.25 | lymeca | I only have a netinst PPC cd |
| 07:35.35 | lymeca | Should I boot off that and get to a terminal somehow? |
| 07:35.43 | DelTree | yep... |
| 07:35.51 | lymeca | Right now because there's no boot loader without the CD it just flashes a folder icon with a question mark |
| 07:36.06 | DelTree | like any broken yaboot... ^_^ |
| 07:36.31 | DelTree | get a shell from the install CD... |
| 07:37.50 | lymeca | mac-fdisk not found |
| 07:38.00 | DelTree | dammit... |
| 07:38.14 | DelTree | then try to mount your / and chroot to it... |
| 07:39.00 | lymeca | Hmm |
| 07:39.12 | lymeca | mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/omg/ |
| 07:39.30 | lymeca | "mount: Mounting /dev/hda2 on /mnt/omg failed: Invalid arguement" |
| 07:39.36 | lymeca | And yes /mnt/omg exists |
| 07:39.50 | DelTree | mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/omg ? |
| 07:40.06 | DelTree | (or maybe it's not /dev/hda2...) |
| 07:40.14 | lymeca | No such device now |
| 07:40.21 | lymeca | it ha to be! |
| 07:40.23 | DelTree | yeah... |
| 07:40.25 | DelTree | no... |
| 07:40.56 | DelTree | well... it's what you call /dev/hda2... but that shell does not call it that name... |
| 07:41.01 | lymeca | Well hda3 or hda4 don't work |
| 07:41.03 | lymeca | ahh |
| 07:41.12 | lymeca | I'm using /bin/sh |
| 07:41.43 | lymeca | Well /dev/hda1 - /dev/hda4 exist |
| 07:41.51 | DelTree | no you're probably not... probably using busybox... and it's not the shell itself... |
| 07:42.06 | DelTree | they exist... but are not interpreted... udev not running... |
| 07:42.22 | lymeca | - /bin/sh: less: not found |
| 07:42.24 | DelTree | some /dev/disk/ or something... |
| 07:42.41 | lymeca | Well /dev/disk exists |
| 07:42.47 | lymeca | But no disk1 disk2 etc |
| 07:42.51 | lymeca | but |
| 07:43.01 | lymeca | - /dev/hda exists |
| 07:43.09 | lymeca | and same with hda1, hda2, hda3, and hda4 |
| 07:43.22 | lymeca | adn hdc which I'm sure is the CDROM |
| 07:43.42 | DelTree | grrrr |
| 07:43.51 | DelTree | the files do exist... but they point nowhere... |
| 07:44.13 | DelTree | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.21 | lymeca | nope |
| 07:44.25 | lymeca | it says |
| 07:44.50 | lymeca | a /dev/hda1 -> ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
| 07:44.57 | lymeca | a /dev/hda2 -> ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 |
| 07:44.59 | lymeca | etc. |
| 07:45.06 | DelTree | oh... |
| 07:45.32 | DelTree | and if you give /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 to mount ? |
| 07:46.03 | lymeca | Invalid argument |
| 07:46.17 | DelTree | with the -t ? |
| 07:46.18 | lymeca | I add -t ext3 and I get No such device |
| 07:46.43 | DelTree | oops... |
| 07:47.01 | DelTree | would your /dev/hda not be ide/host0/bus0/target0 ? |
| 07:47.29 | lymeca | It says /dev/hda -> ide/host0/bus0/taget0/lun0/disc |
| 07:48.00 | DelTree | I don't care what it says... |
| 07:48.08 | DelTree | it apparently says crap... |
| 07:48.28 | lymeca | Well do you know how I find the uncrap? |
| 07:48.30 | lymeca | =] |
| 07:49.14 | DelTree | the best would be some live distrib I guess... |
| 07:50.00 | DelTree | some ubuntu live CD ? |
| 07:50.38 | lymeca | Ohh I think I have one |
| 07:50.43 | lymeca | for PPC one sec |
| 07:51.02 | DelTree | those are good to get info about the system... |
| 07:53.36 | lymeca | booting Ubuntu |
| 07:54.33 | lymeca | Should I try "mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda" once it's up? |
| 07:54.49 | DelTree | yep... |
| 07:55.45 | lymeca | Ohhh hisss bcm43xx errors |
| 07:55.45 | lymeca | Damn Broadcom |
| 07:55.45 | lymeca | I'm glad this isn't my laptop =P |
| 07:56.12 | DelTree | airport extreme ? |
| 07:56.31 | lymeca | dunno |
| 07:56.41 | lymeca | I don't know too much about Apple's PowerPC hardware |
| 07:56.48 | lymeca | I know lots about x86 |
| 07:56.54 | lymeca | So whatever transfers over I'm good with |
| 07:57.54 | DelTree | anyway airport extreme works with linux now... |
| 07:58.22 | DelTree | still have to get some stupid firmware... but works... |
| 07:58.51 | lymeca | stupid = proprietary =[ |
| 08:00.11 | lymeca | ok |
| 08:00.13 | lymeca | so the first line |
| 08:00.49 | lymeca | is: /dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map |
| 08:01.10 | DelTree | good... |
| 08:01.14 | DelTree | next one ? |
| 08:02.02 | lymeca | hrmm /dev/hda2 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled 13671876 @ 64 (6.5G) Linux native |
| 08:02.32 | DelTree | /dev/hda2 Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap 1600 @ 64 (800.0k) NewWorld bootblock |
| 08:02.37 | DelTree | nothing like this ? |
| 08:02.53 | lymeca | then /dev/hda3 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled 140625001 @ 13671948 (67.1G) Linux native |
| 08:02.56 | lymeca | uh-oh |
| 08:03.12 | lymeca | now that I remember, during Deian installation I manually edited partition table |
| 08:03.16 | lymeca | BUT |
| 08:03.34 | lymeca | What was on there was the small 31.5k hda1 that is still there now |
| 08:03.38 | lymeca | then a small bit of free space |
| 08:03.44 | lymeca | then a 79.9GB HFS+ |
| 08:03.48 | lymeca | then another small bit of free space |
| 08:03.54 | lymeca | that's what the d-i partitioner read |
| 08:04.08 | lymeca | So I though, eh, I'm going to just delete everything except hda1 |
| 08:04.16 | lymeca | because I was cautious enough to save hda1 |
| 08:04.29 | DelTree | and only created linux native hda2 ? |
| 08:04.31 | lymeca | I didn't know it's purpose but figured it had something to do with the boot lodare |
| 08:04.41 | lymeca | Well I deleted everything except hda1 manually see |
| 08:04.50 | lymeca | then I had hda1 and everything else free space |
| 08:05.15 | lymeca | From the free space I created hda2 7GB for / and hda3 74GB for /home and the remaining 1Gb for swap |
| 08:05.17 | lymeca | hda1-4 |
| 08:05.34 | DelTree | partition map is just partition map... like the end of the mbr for pc bios... |
| 08:05.46 | DelTree | then the boot loader is in this 800k partition... |
| 08:05.57 | lymeca | I was caught off guard because the d-i partitioner told me that the bit before the HFS+ partition was free space |
| 08:06.10 | lymeca | Okay that makes sense, although I'm not used to that information having it's own partitions |
| 08:06.21 | lymeca | I'm used to it all just being stuck in the MBR =P |
| 08:06.31 | DelTree | :) |
| 08:06.35 | lymeca | So is there a way to recreate the 800K boot partition? |
| 08:06.43 | DelTree | yeap... |
| 08:06.44 | lymeca | I think I'm going to have to reinstall regardless, eh? |
| 08:07.03 | DelTree | no more free space I guess... |
| 08:07.10 | lymeca | I mean I don't think there's any free space in between the partition map hda1 and ext3 / hda2 |
| 08:07.13 | lymeca | =[ |
| 08:07.22 | lymeca | okay well it's 1 oclock |
| 08:07.34 | lymeca | and I have to get up early to go play soccer with 7 year olds |
| 08:07.45 | lymeca | so maybe tomorrow |
| 08:07.53 | DelTree | ok... |
| 08:08.01 | lymeca | At least I know what I did wrong |
| 08:08.05 | DelTree | just lemme tell you how to make that partition in mac-fdisk... |
| 08:08.12 | lymeca | k |
| 08:08.23 | lymeca | mac-fdisk can create a boot loader partition? |
| 08:08.23 | DelTree | you'll have to crash your linux partition to make room... :/ |
| 08:08.47 | DelTree | then in mac-fdisk you have the "b" command to create the 800k partition... |
| 08:08.49 | lymeca | Ohh wait okay so this makes sense, mac-fdisk just creates the hda2 boot loader partition and d-i installs yaboot onto it |
| 08:08.56 | DelTree | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.29 | DelTree | that's it... |
| 08:09.40 | DelTree | once you know the trick... it's perfectly logical... |
| 08:10.07 | lymeca | so hda1 will be the 31k partition map and hda2 will be an 800k boot loader partition? |
| 08:10.22 | lymeca | and then hda3 can be my / partition and hda4 can be /home, and swap can be hda5? |
| 08:10.51 | lymeca | So I guess hda1, hda2 and hda3 will be primary partitions and hda4 and hda5 will be logical drives in an extended partition? |
| 08:11.07 | lymeca | I'm pretty sure 4 primary partition maximum is true with PowerPC as well |
| 08:11.09 | DelTree | or you can make a lvm space... or whatever you want... just can't have /boot on lvm... |
| 08:11.19 | DelTree | no concept of logical drives... |
| 08:11.30 | lymeca | but |
| 08:11.37 | lymeca | if hda1, hda2, and hda3 are primaries |
| 08:11.43 | DelTree | logical drives are because there are only 4 primary partitions with that MBR thingie... |
| 08:11.58 | lymeca | Oh wait there's no MBR on powerpc? |
| 08:12.01 | DelTree | all partitions are primary on mac... |
| 08:12.15 | lymeca | Oh so the 4 primary limit doesn't exist? |
| 08:12.25 | lymeca | I can have hda1 - hda5 all be primary partitions? |
| 08:12.38 | DelTree | and more of them... ^_^ |
| 08:12.45 | lymeca | Oh wow that's weird |
| 08:12.50 | lymeca | But much simpler |
| 08:12.52 | lymeca | I like that. |
| 08:12.58 | DelTree | there's quite some root in that hda1 which is the actual partition table... |
| 08:13.03 | DelTree | s/root/room |
| 08:13.23 | lymeca | Seems to me a lame arbitraty limit to have only 4 primaries allowed... a limit of a 512 byte MBR I suppose |
| 08:13.31 | DelTree | yep... |
| 08:13.45 | lymeca | Not arbitrary then but still lame |
| 08:13.56 | DelTree | you have 512 bytes for booting code + partition table... so just leaves 4 partitions with that CHS nonsense... |
| 08:14.29 | lymeca | I still like the partition table in the MBR |
| 08:14.38 | lymeca | I'd just like the MBR to be bigger =] |
| 08:14.44 | DelTree | openfirmware is already a tiny OS in itself... that's a great difference with pc bios... |
| 08:14.49 | lymeca | 512 bytes is far too small for today's HDDs |
| 08:14.59 | lymeca | So where does openfirmware actually reside? |
| 08:15.01 | lymeca | in hda1? |
| 08:15.04 | DelTree | no... |
| 08:15.13 | DelTree | rom |
| 08:15.16 | DelTree | like the bios... |
| 08:15.38 | DelTree | openfirmware is the ppc bios... |
| 08:15.47 | lymeca | ah |
| 08:16.17 | DelTree | (well... not only ppc... other architectures have openfirmwares... there are good specs to it...) |
| 08:17.13 | DelTree | would be possible for an x86 motherboard to have an openfirmware... |
| 08:17.41 | lymeca | ok well I definitely know what I need to do, although it's unfortunate I have to reinstall |
| 08:17.56 | lymeca | I've no one to blame but myself and my own ignorance though, so I'm okay with that =] |
| 08:18.05 | lymeca | Thanks for your help! |
| 08:18.14 | DelTree | I guess everyone falls in that trap once... |
| 08:18.21 | DelTree | you're welcome... |
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