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| 00:04.12 | Mariano | hi! |
| 00:04.17 | Mariano | i need help, please! |
| 00:08.22 | Gnuman | well, we need to know with what. . . |
| 00:08.48 | Mariano | yeah! hello, i have an Apple PowerMacintosh 8100/100 |
| 00:08.58 | Gnuman | OK |
| 00:09.00 | Mariano | the one with the old NuBus |
| 00:09.11 | Gnuman | OK. . . . |
| 00:09.22 | Mariano | i've been trying with many different os'es |
| 00:09.26 | Gnuman | you are right. you do need help ;) |
| 00:09.35 | Mariano | hahaha |
| 00:10.23 | Mariano | recently (and after a very difficult fight) i have been installed the DR3 MkLinux that is a GNU/linux based on redhat 5.2 distro |
| 00:10.26 | Gnuman | I should talk, though. . . I'm sitting on an iBook (G3 @ 366Mhz |
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| 00:11.13 | Mariano | there are TWO aspects in what i need help |
| 00:11.19 | Gnuman | OK, we mostly deal with Debian Linux |
| 00:11.43 | Gnuman | so what we recomend may not be appropriate for you |
| 00:11.49 | Mariano | 1-i don't know very much about the mac hardware, but i suspect that there is some problems with it, the machine is very unstable |
| 00:12.15 | Gnuman | IME, NuBuss installs tended to be |
| 00:12.33 | Gnuman | define unstable |
| 00:12.45 | Mariano | nonono...i WANT, delete that distro and i want to install Debian |
| 00:13.14 | Gnuman | OK. . . |
| 00:13.24 | Mariano | i follow all the steps to start install of Debian Woody that appears in this page |
| 00:13.24 | Mariano | http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=36&Itemid=61 |
| 00:13.35 | Gnuman | so are you having trouble with the install itself? |
| 00:13.51 | Mariano | but after i replace the Mach Kernel file with the last kernel+installer |
| 00:14.17 | Mariano | from http://nubus-pmac.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:14.41 | Mariano | yes, when mklinux program starts and try to boot the kernel+installer, it freezes |
| 00:15.27 | Gnuman | sounds like a kernel incompatability |
| 00:15.45 | Gnuman | did you try an earlier one? |
| 00:16.21 | Mariano | mmm no with debian |
| 00:16.49 | Mariano | do you mean if i tried with potato i.e.? |
| 00:17.41 | Gnuman | did you go to the lates info by using that first link? |
| 00:18.25 | Gnuman | does it freeze at the begining of the boot process, or do you get some text? |
| 00:20.27 | Gnuman | not that I'm all that up on NuBus stuff. . . |
| 00:20.44 | Gnuman | I'm digging into memories that are over 5 years old. .. . |
| 00:22.03 | Mariano | it doesn't boot the kernel non a minimun |
| 00:22.17 | Mariano | it doesn't go out of the MacOS screen |
| 00:22.26 | Mariano | to the black linux screen |
| 00:22.37 | Gnuman | hmmm |
| 00:24.01 | Mariano | the MkLinux windows rectangle in MacOS, appears, then when the countdown finishes, in the low-right of that program's window, appears the leyend "System is booting..." |
| 00:24.09 | Mariano | and then freezes |
| 00:25.41 | Gnuman | It sounds like the kernel is looking for something that it is not finding |
| 00:26.15 | Gnuman | and i have no idea (anymore) how to figure that out. . . |
| 00:26.27 | Mariano | and, what can i do ? |
| 00:27.20 | Gnuman | well, you can try on the other server, and describe it as a NuBus and install question right off the bat |
| 00:27.50 | Mariano | i have involved in very difficults to find the Debian Woody ISO for PowerPC ISO image...do you have, the address to find the Debian Potato ISO and kernels+install , so i can probe with that oS? |
| 00:28.23 | Gnuman | also keep an eye on this channel, as someone better versed in NuBus than I (read that as almost anyone) may have more help for you. |
| 00:29.00 | Gnuman | you are not trying to boot off an image from a CD are you? |
| 00:29.31 | Gnuman | the CDs are not and never will be bootable on Old World Macs |
| 00:30.06 | Mariano | yes, yes i know...hahahaha |
| 00:30.41 | Mariano | now, can you tellme WHY?!?!? is so difficult to make these things on this Nubus? |
| 00:31.40 | Mariano | The Open source geniuses, wasn't capable of making a bootable for that macs? or moddifing that machines ROM for booting happily from any media? |
| 00:33.37 | Gnuman | Well, one part is the ammount of interest in developing it. It is slightly ahead of the effort to make Linux run on an Apple //e |
| 00:37.44 | Mariano | yes, but there a only a few minority developer group interested on that nubus machines, i think it is highly unpoppular |
| 00:38.19 | Mariano | tellme something, the miBoot, ISO, CD image, that appears somewhere in the net, CAN't boot too the Nubus machine? |
| 00:39.04 | Gnuman | nope. Not to my knoledge |
| 00:39.34 | Mariano | aha...ok, then all that tools, are then for the oldworld but pci... |
| 00:39.42 | Mariano | not Nubus |
| 00:40.42 | Gnuman | do not take my word for gospel here either. |
| 00:41.46 | Gnuman | In order to get a CD to boot on a NuBus machine, you have to have some hooks enabled that are porpriitart, and have never been released by Apple |
| 00:41.48 | Mariano | hahahah but you re'too much better experienced in this bussines than I |
| 00:42.25 | Gnuman | and because of that it is very difficult to get a non Apple CD to boot. |
| 00:42.48 | Mariano | yeah, and to boot from the hard-disk it's the same...i suppose because all the systems i saw, use a little MacOS installation |
| 00:42.49 | Gnuman | and the only Apple CDs that boot are the ones that install an Apple OS |
| 00:43.18 | Gnuman | exactly. |
| 00:43.41 | Mariano | =( fucking propietary world |
| 00:43.52 | Gnuman | yup. |
| 00:45.03 | wcstok | there's that, and there's the "just enough to boot mac os, and to hell with the rest" design too |
| 00:45.03 | Mariano | then, you know for what this machine, can be so unstable as it is? i have connected something bad? |
| 00:45.05 | Gnuman | Most of the help you will find these days is from the folks that want Linux bootable on anything |
| 00:45.55 | Mariano | for example: when i put an audio cd, the computer freezes completely as in mac os or in linux :S |
| 00:46.38 | Gnuman | how familliar are you with the hardware on that machine? |
| 00:46.41 | Mariano | it seems to be a rapid and good machine, for that, i think there is something bad |
| 00:46.50 | Mariano | none familiar |
| 00:47.13 | Gnuman | Mariano: where are you (and where from)? |
| 00:48.10 | Gnuman | I'm not familliar enough with teh PowerMacs to be able to help you with a hardware problem. |
| 00:48.27 | Gnuman | and that is also not what we do here, mostly. . . |
| 00:48.56 | Gnuman | we help you make the software (os) work with the hardware. |
| 00:49.28 | Gnuman | hmmm, have you checked that all cables are tight? |
| 00:49.51 | Gnuman | and do you have a known good drive to swap into that bay to check that? |
| 00:53.34 | Mariano | excuse me, a friend o'mine has come |
| 00:53.55 | Mariano | Gnuman: i'm from Argentina, and you? |
| 00:56.36 | Gnuman | US |
| 00:57.12 | Gnuman | That is OK, I've been watching an eBay auc tion I was bidding in. It just ended. |
| 00:57.23 | Gnuman | and I won! |
| 00:57.50 | Gnuman | the last bit of hardware I need to build in a computer workstation |
| 00:57.58 | Mariano | congratulations! |
| 00:58.05 | Gnuman | See, I live in a 10m Motorhome |
| 00:58.31 | Gnuman | so I bought a Mac Mini (G4 @ 1.42Ghz) |
| 00:59.12 | Gnuman | and a 19" flat panel monitor (1280x1024 res) |
| 00:59.54 | Gnuman | and I needed hardware to mount them into a built in workstation, as there is no room for a desk on a motorhome, unless it is built in. |
| 01:00.33 | Gnuman | so I got an undercabinet mount for the monitor (to mount it to the cabinets above where the computer will be) |
| 01:00.46 | Gnuman | that will arrive Sat. |
| 01:00.56 | Gnuman | the monitor is already here |
| 01:01.28 | Gnuman | and I just got the keyboard tray/articulating arm that I wanted for the keyboard: |
| 01:01.32 | Gnuman | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130148976965&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=003 |
| 01:02.08 | Gnuman | goes in and out like all of them, but it goes 17" instead of just 12-14" |
| 01:02.31 | Gnuman | also tilts, goes up and down, and side to side. . . |
| 01:05.43 | Mariano | Gnuman was a pleasure to chat with you |
| 01:05.47 | Mariano | I have to go |
| 01:05.55 | Gnuman | Be well! |
| 01:06.05 | Mariano | thanks for all |
| 01:06.43 | Mariano | here is my e-mail address if you want to contact me: mofresno@gmail.com |
| 01:07.45 | Mariano | oh wait! you tell me that i consult, on the other server? wich? (irc.oftc.net????) |
| 01:08.12 | Gnuman | yes |
| 01:08.41 | Gnuman | and tell them right off that it is a NuBus install problem |
| 01:09.09 | Gnuman | that will more likely perk up eyes that can better help you. . . |
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