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| 06:18.30 | simonrvn | hi there |
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| 21:51.47 | zorton | i've got a titanium powerbook with a busted LCD screen |
| 21:52.01 | zorton | i've been running it on an external monitor under mac osx for awhile but now I want ot turn it into a server |
| 21:52.22 | zorton | will I be able to install debian onto thismachine using the external monitor the whole time? |
| 22:07.38 | simonrvn | sure, i don't see why not |
| 22:08.13 | zorton | after reading a bit t seems the best way will be to reboot with the lid closed into the installer |
| 22:08.49 | zorton | powering up will be a trick though |
| 22:09.04 | simonrvn | probably, so the monitor is the first one seen i guess? |
| 22:09.49 | zorton | currently it boots just fine with the monitor hooked up and booting with the lid closed |
| 22:10.01 | zorton | trick is I have to hit hte powerbutton with the lid open :) |
| 22:10.11 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 22:10.30 | zorton | so I hit it real quick and then close the lid, by the time openfirmware does it's thing the lid is closed and it brings up the external monitor as primary |
| 22:16.17 | simonrvn | any way to do it via an external button? |
| 22:16.25 | zorton | not currently |
| 22:16.26 | simonrvn | or, use a stick or something |
| 22:16.33 | zorton | heh |
| 22:16.44 | zorton | i'm confident I can get it to boot via the internal power buttom |
| 22:17.03 | zorton | i'm more worried the kernel will flip the momonitor over to the internal after it takes control from openfirmware though |
| 22:17.34 | zorton | I guess that's my primary question; will the kernel flip to the LCD upon boot or stick with the current monitor? |
| 22:23.05 | simonrvn | you could probably set the output device to the monitor |
| 22:23.09 | simonrvn | in OF |
| 22:23.26 | zorton | that's one idea as well |
| 22:23.41 | zorton | any links to OF tutorials or references? it's been many moons since i've been in there |
| 22:26.13 | simonrvn | setenv foo-bar args to set an env var |
| 22:26.18 | simonrvn | reset-all to save |
| 22:26.43 | zorton | k |
| 22:26.50 | simonrvn | there's one on my site |
| 22:26.59 | zorton | link? |
| 22:27.04 | simonrvn | i'll try to find the URL ;). might be under /kb/ .. |
| 22:27.11 | simonrvn | simonraven.kisikew.org |
| 22:27.14 | zorton | thanks |
| 22:35.34 | simonrvn | zorton: ah, http://simonraven.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/NVEditHowto |
| 22:35.35 | zorton | cool it worked |
| 22:35.39 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 22:35.57 | zorton | just wrote the partition table and am going through the lenny installer right now |
| 22:36.11 | simonrvn | yay :) |
| 22:36.11 | zorton | I think after I get the base installed though i'll do the OF setup |
| 22:36.32 | simonrvn | you might have to anyway, since i think the installer does some stuff to it |
| 22:36.47 | zorton | "No NewWorld boot partition was found. The yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size, using the HFS Macintosh file system." |
| 22:36.58 | zorton | we'll see what happens as I get closer |
| 22:37.02 | simonrvn | yeh 800KB |
| 22:37.37 | zorton | yeah, i've got one but the auto setup didn't work |
| 22:37.46 | zorton | it's partition #2 at 1.0MB |
| 22:38.09 | simonrvn | auto-partition maybe? |
| 22:38.20 | zorton | I choose the auto-LVM setup |
| 22:38.27 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:39.02 | simonrvn | you'll have to be careful with that, if you set / to be lvm too, you'll have to use an initrd to boot, and have /boot on a separate partition |
| 22:39.10 | zorton | yeah |
| 22:39.12 | zorton | I dropped that idea |
| 22:40.10 | simonrvn | it's not too bad, we're spoiled with having busybox in the initrd, but it's a pain when / is jfs and you didn't reboot properly (you have to replay the journal, then it's ok) |
| 22:42.47 | zorton | phew |
| 22:42.56 | zorton | I think i've confused the poor paritioner |
| 22:54.41 | zorton | looks good |
| 22:54.48 | zorton | base is installed and i'm in aptitude |
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| 22:55.02 | zorton | i'll get some basics installed then do a shutdown -h and see about bringing it back up |
| 22:55.32 | simonrvn | yay |
| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | congrats |
| 22:56.03 | zorton | congrats to you I suspect |
| 22:56.16 | zorton | i've seen you're nick around this chan for more than a couple of years |
| 22:56.24 | zorton | I figure you've had a hand or two into the development of this |
| 22:57.39 | simonrvn | not really, not much of a dev, more like oldbie with a couple of tricks up his sleeves heh |
| 22:58.05 | zorton | heh |
| 22:58.18 | zorton | well this is the first step in my new configuration here |
| 22:58.33 | zorton | just got a macbook pro to replace my rather tired powerbook DVI |
| 22:58.47 | zorton | the DVI is going to retire as an server to replace an old whitebox |
| 22:59.06 | simonrvn | cool. i wish i could afford getting a mac ppc laptop. i'd get off this old fart of an x86 ... |
| 22:59.20 | zorton | got this one for 1k from a friend at work |
| 22:59.27 | zorton | it's a sweet piece of hardware that's for sure |
| 22:59.57 | simonrvn | heh cool |
| 23:00.14 | simonrvn | yeh, even if they sold their soul to inhel, they still make decent h/w |
| 23:01.52 | zorton | well engineered stuff that's for darn sure |
| 23:02.05 | zorton | it's really what sets them apart from other hardware vendors |
| 23:02.22 | zorton | their stuff is "Thought out" in such a way that the user dosen't have to worry about some of the crap that comes with other laptops |
| 23:05.13 | simonrvn | yeh, indeed. only problem is user mods, it's sometimes very difficult to service them yourself, when they're out of warranty |
| 23:08.46 | zorton | yep |
| 23:08.49 | zorton | tell me about it |
| 23:08.58 | zorton | I have th emoney now to replace this screen but I don't feel like it |
| 23:09.02 | zorton | it's an pain in the butt |
| 23:09.26 | simonrvn | yeh, kinda diminishes the usefulness |
| 23:10.53 | zorton | cost of the engineering |
| 23:11.06 | simonrvn | mm |
| 23:11.12 | zorton | to me it's a tradeoff between good integration and expandiability |
| 23:11.52 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 23:12.33 | zorton | welp that's it for now |
| 23:12.44 | zorton | it seems to reboot just fine with the monitor turned off |
| 23:12.53 | zorton | comes up in a low resoluation but works just fine |
| 23:13.11 | zorton | now the trick is if it's going to reboot into a state that I can ssh into it :) |
| 23:13.55 | zorton | never mind that worked too |
| 23:14.10 | zorton | now the big trick, shutdown -h and power backup with monitor physicaly disconnected and lid closed |
| 23:15.15 | simonrvn | cool |
| 23:15.39 | zorton | nope |
| 23:15.48 | simonrvn | i remember when you were a newbie at this, now i watch you now do this sort of thing, and makes me happy |
| 23:15.52 | zorton | powered up the internal LCD with the monitor physicaly connected |
| 23:15.57 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 23:16.12 | simonrvn | probably have to do the OF trick again |
| 23:16.39 | zorton | think so |
| 23:16.47 | zorton | can I tweak OF from within the OS? |
| 23:16.54 | simonrvn | sure, nvsetenv |
| 23:17.01 | simonrvn | powerpc-utils or such |
| 23:17.24 | zorton | k |
| 23:23.49 | zorton | (If your two hands are busy holding down the other buttons and you have trouble reaching the power button, remember that you can press it with your nose.) |
| 23:24.01 | zorton | from apple's section on NVRAM :) |
| 23:24.55 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 23:49.12 | zorton | blasted ethernet is giving me fits |