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| 08:52.55 | ada | hi all |
| 08:55.15 | ada | hi simonrvn |
| 08:55.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:55.33 | ada | isn't it possible to force install of a meta-pkg which appear as broken ? |
| 08:56.10 | ada | gnome is broken since i installed this box |
| 08:56.37 | simonrvn | select the meta-package, then unselect it once it's done its job |
| 08:57.16 | ada | select ??? |
| 08:57.34 | simonrvn | in say aptitude |
| 09:01.43 | ada | hum... |
| 09:01.47 | ada | oki thanks |
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| 09:17.21 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 19:07.47 | fiddles | man is it just me or is xubuntu kinda heavy |
| 19:08.28 | Bor_Ed | it is |
| 19:08.30 | simonrvn | it's kde, of course it is, it's also off-topic |
| 19:08.43 | Bor_Ed | xubuntu == xfce |
| 19:09.11 | Bor_Ed | I have ubuntu with xfce-desktop on low end box since xubuntu refused to install |
| 19:09.41 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: there's no *ubuntu/ppc chan around and it's basically debian with steroids :) |
| 19:09.52 | Corsac | with steroids? |
| 19:09.54 | Corsac | are you kidding? |
| 19:10.04 | simonrvn | debian on tranqs is more like it |
| 19:10.14 | Bor_Ed | some candy for visual effects and some gui tools |
| 19:10.17 | simonrvn | horse tranqs |
| 19:10.23 | Corsac | anyway Xfce works pretty fine here |
| 19:10.34 | Bor_Ed | xfce works everywhere |
| 19:10.50 | simonrvn | oh doh, thought i read kubuntu |
| 19:11.08 | Bor_Ed | :D |
| 19:11.31 | Corsac | Xfce rocks anyway |
| 19:11.35 | Bor_Ed | that's true |
| 19:12.05 | Bor_Ed | os/2 wps and unix cde look makes me smile :) |
| 19:12.23 | Corsac | wps? |
| 19:12.32 | Bor_Ed | workplace shell... os/2 gui |
| 19:13.16 | Corsac | mhmh ok |
| 19:13.42 | Bor_Ed | it was kinda cde lookalike on os/2 2.x and 3.0 |
| 19:13.58 | Corsac | yeah but 4.4 has some nice eyecandy |
| 19:14.35 | Bor_Ed | yup, the older ones had the aix feeling, 4.0 and up was more or less like win9x gui but worked |
| 19:15.01 | Corsac | they lack some manpower |
| 19:15.21 | Bor_Ed | well, the OS is ditched nowadays so what to remember... |
| 19:15.45 | Bor_Ed | ecomstation is a sad joke imo... one has to pay 60+ usd just to get mozilla to it :) |
| 19:19.40 | fiddles | i used to have debian and xfce 4.4 |
| 19:19.45 | fiddles | why did i ever install xubuntu |
| 19:19.59 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:20.25 | simonrvn | you silly person, fiddles ;p |
| 19:21.25 | fiddles | they really dont want you to use the root account |
| 19:21.38 | Bor_Ed | sudo su :) |
| 19:21.47 | Corsac | sudo passwd |
| 19:21.51 | Corsac | Bor_Ed: or sudo -l |
| 19:21.55 | fiddles | i just went to users and groups |
| 19:21.55 | Bor_Ed | works too |
| 19:22.00 | fiddles | and chaned the pssword |
| 19:22.18 | simonrvn | they really don't want you to shoot yourself in the foot, like newbies are wont to do |
| 19:22.43 | simonrvn | if you're not a newbie, it's annoying |
| 19:22.44 | Bor_Ed | yup, the *ubuntu policy is ok for n00bs and alike |
| 19:23.00 | fiddles | who looks out for noobs |
| 19:23.10 | Bor_Ed | some devs and distro compilers |
| 19:23.13 | fiddles | times are changing... |
| 19:23.15 | simonrvn | n00bs can go fry, newbs need help |
| 19:23.21 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd, linux would be like wintendo otherwise |
| 19:23.34 | fiddles | haha |
| 19:23.57 | Bor_Ed | every box with root ssh shell with no pass... I sure wouldn't want to see that |
| 19:24.13 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 19:24.39 | Bor_Ed | desktop linux compilation makers have started to take that point too, not a moment too early either |
| 19:25.00 | fiddles | lame |
| 19:25.26 | Bor_Ed | debian is and will be advanced user choice for linux because of the versatily and total control |
| 19:25.42 | simonrvn | enough old rh 5.x 6.x machines getting zombified around, don't need more for spammers to take over... |
| 19:25.56 | Bor_Ed | indeed |
| 19:27.02 | simonrvn | i stuck 3 ports on recenr match protection because of attempts at brute forcing |
| 19:27.06 | simonrvn | recent* |
| 19:27.41 | Bor_Ed | I've moved some ports to non-RFC ports because of brute forcing and have some scripts to block those too |
| 19:29.16 | simonrvn | yeh, i installed denyhosts for ssh, the other two are pretty well covered, though ftp is touchy (i allow anon ftp for the .debs) |
| 19:29.39 | simonrvn | i might just turn that off though, and just allow http |
| 19:31.03 | Bor_Ed | I have ssh moved and http and ftp open if needed, ident open for some services and some extras on ipv6 network |
| 19:32.40 | Bor_Ed | works as security model |
| 19:32.46 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 19:32.52 | simonrvn | layers ;) |
| 19:34.17 | Bor_Ed | buggr still would need a way to punch ipv6 through nats at home to give up ipv4 completely. though that'll be some work since the linux based routers blow monkey balls on own code and confs |
| 19:35.27 | simonrvn | the stack is a lot better than it used to be, but userspace still sucks |
| 19:35.43 | Bor_Ed | yup, noticed that the hard way |
| 19:35.53 | simonrvn | i gave up on ipv6 for now |
| 19:36.17 | Bor_Ed | I dpm |
| 19:36.22 | Bor_Ed | I don't blame ya |
| 19:36.27 | Bor_Ed | it just ain't ready |
| 19:36.40 | simonrvn | i still build it in, but it's a pita right now |
| 19:36.51 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 19:37.13 | simonrvn | not while there's still ipv4 ips to be handed out |
| 19:37.19 | Bor_Ed | it's still better than on wintendo visva :) |
| 19:38.04 | simonrvn | *anything* is better than that. braindead mgt at M$ still think they "have it" and eyecandy is the way to go... |
| 19:38.46 | simonrvn | anyway, bbs, need to get food |
| 19:38.48 | Bor_Ed | too bad the eyecandy has 'experience 2.0' on this hardware (I sadly have wintendo license) |
| 19:38.54 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 19:39.49 | simonrvn | we couldn't afford it, heh |
| 19:39.58 | Bor_Ed | btw, you can test visva for 60 or so days even without license before you remove it, works on qemu too |
| 19:49.34 | fiddles | AHAHAHAHA reinstalling debian |
| 19:49.46 | Bor_Ed | the only right way |
| 19:49.55 | fiddles | couldnt take it anymore |
| 19:50.08 | fiddles | xubuntu is nice |
| 19:50.19 | fiddles | but i dont need all this extra stuff |
| 19:50.30 | Bor_Ed | *ubu is ok for most users, for serious ones, debian with selected packages is the way to go |
| 19:50.44 | fiddles | yah |
| 19:51.06 | Bor_Ed | I do advocate ubu strongly because of it's easy to get to and it has better hardware support off the shelf than debian |
| 19:51.13 | fiddles | needed to give it a shot |
| 19:51.25 | fiddles | yeah its nice |
| 19:51.26 | Bor_Ed | still buggrs get it buggered even with common hardware :D |
| 19:56.37 | simonrvn | me too, mainly for those reasons |
| 19:59.14 | Bor_Ed | I do help on mandr* chan too as well as on common linux chan... mandr* was my old distro of choice but since they dropped ppc support, had to switch to deb and haven't regretted that choice :) |
| 20:00.00 | fiddles | yah |
| 20:00.08 | fiddles | i was running ubuntu drapper |
| 20:00.19 | fiddles | thier new one dosent have ppc support ethier |
| 20:01.48 | Bor_Ed | weird since ppc is on top 3 of linux install base... x86, arm and ppc have the places switched monthly.. though mips is rising nowadays |
| 20:04.58 | fiddles | have you guys used enlightenment? |
| 20:05.10 | Bor_Ed | 10+ years back... |
| 20:05.22 | Bor_Ed | hmm, maybe 8+... |
| 20:05.48 | fiddles | they have a e17 untabl |
| 20:05.54 | fiddles | unstable |
| 20:06.10 | fiddles | gonna give it a shot |
| 20:06.34 | Bor_Ed | e17 unstable has been around for a good while... should work |
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