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| 17:54.46 | mirak | hi |
| 17:54.59 | mirak | does anyone knows how to dump openfirmware rom so I can use it in qemu ? |
| 17:59.46 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn used to have an utility on his site... dunno where the src dir is located nowadays |
| 18:00.15 | mirak | it's possible ? |
| 18:00.22 | mirak | the openhackware rom is buggy |
| 18:00.24 | Bor_Ed | iirc, yup |
| 18:00.28 | mirak | I can't boot arch iso from it |
| 18:00.46 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/openfirmware/ |
| 18:00.53 | simonrvn | grab-ow-of.pl.gz |
| 18:01.03 | Bor_Ed | thought you'd lurk there :) |
| 18:01.35 | simonrvn | that OF-.0.02a.... thingy i got from a pmac 7500 i think |
| 18:01.57 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I could get OF from g3... 2.04 firmware |
| 18:02.10 | simonrvn | sure |
| 18:02.59 | simonrvn | segher in #mklinux wrote that thing. you'll need a /dev file, atarimouse IIRC |
| 18:03.32 | Bor_Ed | whoops, no build-essential on the g3 :) |
| 18:03.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:04.02 | simonrvn | thing's been sitting in there for 4 years |
| 18:04.39 | simonrvn | yeh, /dev/atarimouse |
| 18:04.50 | simonrvn | uh oh, that's for 2.4 though... |
| 18:04.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, compile still doesn't want to run |
| 18:06.53 | mirak | simonrvn: hi |
| 18:06.58 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:06.59 | mirak | simonrvn: I nedd some support |
| 18:07.14 | mirak | what is the procedure to install grab ? |
| 18:07.23 | mirak | I execute it and got an error |
| 18:07.25 | simonrvn | install grab? |
| 18:07.32 | mirak | do I need just the kernel headers or the full sources ? |
| 18:07.38 | mirak | compile grab |
| 18:07.59 | simonrvn | what's grab? |
| 18:08.12 | mirak | grab-ow-of.pl.gz |
| 18:08.18 | mirak | ?? |
| 18:08.21 | simonrvn | oh. it won't work on 2.6 |
| 18:08.34 | simonrvn | needs to be ported |
| 18:09.06 | simonrvn | i just asked segher if he had one for 2.6, or could show me how to port it |
| 18:09.18 | mirak | ok |
| 18:09.25 | Bor_Ed | so it's useless without reboot to 2.4 currently? |
| 18:09.31 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:09.35 | mirak | :-/ |
| 18:09.40 | Bor_Ed | oh well |
| 18:09.43 | mirak | I need to buy some beaf |
| 18:10.05 | mirak | Bor_Ed: is there some other tool for exemple on OS X ? |
| 18:10.38 | Bor_Ed | no idea |
| 18:17.12 | mirak | simonrvn: do you know how to compile openhackware ? |
| 18:18.03 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:20.13 | simonrvn | @simple sid backport |
| 18:20.13 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 18:20.17 | mirak | a binary of grab made on 2.4 would not work on 2.6 ? |
| 18:20.34 | mirak | simonrvn: I tried it failed |
| 18:20.37 | simonrvn | no; it's a script, it makes a 2.5 kernel module |
| 18:20.41 | simonrvn | 2.6* |
| 18:20.42 | mirak | ah |
| 18:20.54 | mirak | 2.4 |
| 18:21.54 | simonrvn | er, yeh :) |
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| 19:45.48 | simonrvn | mirak: hit reload on my page |
| 19:46.21 | mirak | ok |
| 19:48.22 | Bor_Ed | nice work :) |
| 19:50.01 | mirak | simonrvn: hum not sure what to take now |
| 19:50.06 | simonrvn | speaking with segher right now |
| 19:50.41 | mirak | strange the dates did not changed for some files |
| 19:50.46 | simonrvn | you'll need all of it. he said you just need the offsets and change the size |
| 19:51.51 | mirak | sorry I don't understand what need to be done |
| 19:52.10 | simonrvn | segher_> you just want the changed offset,size for OW |
| 19:52.19 | simonrvn | segher_> so take my 2.6 and change that, and be happy :-) |
| 19:55.06 | mirak | simonrvn: that's chinese |
| 19:55.13 | mirak | ^^ |
| 19:55.34 | simonrvn | read the script ;) |
| 19:56.20 | mirak | simonrvn: but what file should I take ? |
| 19:56.45 | mirak | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/openfirmware/grab-ow-of.pl |
| 19:56.48 | simonrvn | the 2.6 and edit the size and offsets based on the -ow- one |
| 19:57.22 | mirak | ok I was messing with the dates |
| 19:57.35 | simonrvn | why? |
| 19:57.50 | mirak | look the dates |
| 19:57.57 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 19:58.12 | mirak | grab-of-2.6.pl02-Dec-2005 22:41 2.2K |
| 19:58.17 | mirak | dec 2005 |
| 19:58.20 | mirak | we are in 2007 |
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| 20:06.38 | mirak | simonrvn: I don't know how to set the numbers, I don't know what they are for |
| 20:07.09 | mirak | just a little readme file would be nice |
| 20:07.55 | mirak | how can I know the size of my openfirmware or the offset ?? |
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| 20:16.16 | rehges | yo |
| 20:16.27 | rehges | so what's up mirak? |
| 20:16.38 | mirak | <simonrvn> the 2.6 and edit the size and offsets based on the -ow- one |
| 20:16.49 | rehges | yeah |
| 20:16.53 | mirak | segher_> you just want the changed offset,size for OW |
| 20:16.53 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.03 | rehges | just change the script to grab the top 4MB instead of 1MB |
| 20:17.05 | mirak | so how can I guess what to do ? there is readme |
| 20:17.25 | mirak | no readme ... |
| 20:17.32 | rehges | so WHAT? |
| 20:17.58 | rehges | if you can't read a few simple assignments at the top of the script, you'll never be able to figure out what to do with the script _anyway_ |
| 20:18.45 | rehges | it also never was meant to do what you want to do with it. be happy it's there for you, sheesh |
| 20:19.18 | rehges | i could write a manual for you of course. EUR 300 / hr |
| 20:19.28 | rehges | plus taxes |
| 20:19.42 | rehges | sorry if i sound pissed off :-) |
| 20:19.54 | mirak | I am probably more than you are |
| 20:20.23 | mirak | you don't need to behave like linux god |
| 20:20.26 | rehges | well whatever |
| 20:20.44 | rehges | and you shouldn't behave like tou have *any* rights to demand *anything* |
| 20:21.08 | rehges | i was taking time to help you out |
| 20:21.15 | mirak | rehges: just say you are not available then |
| 20:21.18 | rehges | but the only thing you did was bitch |
| 20:21.37 | mirak | yeah right |
| 20:21.53 | rehges | now, do you still want help? |
| 20:22.39 | mirak | well I could expose the reason why I am trying do dump the openfirmware rom, but I guess what I am asking will not help |
| 20:22.46 | rehges | get the 2.6 script, change offset=fff00000 to ffc00000, and size=100000 to 400000 |
| 20:23.07 | rehges | that's the only change you need to grap an Oldworld rom |
| 20:23.10 | rehges | grab |
| 20:23.24 | dmb | mirak: are you grabbing an oldworld or newworld rom? |
| 20:23.37 | mirak | in fact the qemu emulator uses openhackware bios for ppc. however it doesn't work. so I tried first to build openhackware directly on the ppc g4, but I failed. Now I wonder if I could use openfirmware original bios |
| 20:23.56 | mirak | rehges: it's a new world one. |
| 20:24.07 | rehges | then just use the original script |
| 20:24.09 | mirak | a g4 swatooth |
| 20:24.13 | dmb | i'll try compiling openhackware see if it works for me |
| 20:24.16 | mirak | ah ok |
| 20:24.18 | rehges | it works just fine for anyone who has ever tried |
| 20:24.41 | dmb | rehges: on qemu it works? |
| 20:24.42 | rehges | and it isn't going to work in qemu without major surgery |
| 20:24.45 | mirak | and I can use the rom with qemu or that's not the way to do that ? |
| 20:24.49 | mirak | ah |
| 20:25.06 | rehges | qemu doesn't emulate (enough of) the mac hardware |
| 20:25.32 | rehges | you could port openbios, or slof |
| 20:25.41 | mirak | rehges: ok |
| 20:25.47 | rehges | or the original ofw, even |
| 20:25.51 | mirak | so nonobdy ever used qemu-system-ppc ?? |
| 20:26.03 | rehges | not to emulate macs, no |
| 20:26.12 | rehges | most people use MoL for that |
| 20:26.28 | mirak | I don't want to run OS X |
| 20:26.32 | dmb | it would be really cool if pearpc were able to use openfirmware |
| 20:26.42 | mirak | I just want to install archlinux for ppc on an image |
| 20:26.43 | rehges | you can run linux on MoL |
| 20:27.03 | mirak | rehges: well I don't want to run the emulator on the mac |
| 20:27.41 | mirak | does mol work on x86 ?? |
| 20:27.47 | rehges | of course not\ |
| 20:27.53 | rehges | MoL is a hapervisor |
| 20:28.02 | rehges | (darn i cannot type today) |
| 20:28.16 | mirak | ok that's what I though at first, I doubted |
| 20:28.24 | rehges | you don't want virtualisation, you want emulation |
| 20:28.33 | mirak | yes |
| 20:28.43 | rehges | you can boot linux without any firmware on qemu |
| 20:28.53 | mirak | rehges: but I could try to run mol to do what I want anyway you are right |
| 20:29.20 | mirak | rehges: by booting the kernel I guess, I didn't though of that |
| 20:35.19 | mirak | rehges: I didn't tried yet, but the problem that we have is that the bios works, but when the kernel boots, the kernel can't find the devices and hardware, so I am not sure booting a kernel would work |
| 20:36.06 | rehges | old problem, wrong channel |
| 20:36.16 | rehges | how about you look at the qemu mailing list archive |
| 20:36.38 | rehges | openhackware just hasn't been updated for the list, what, five years of so of linux development |
| 20:36.45 | rehges | s/list/last/ |
| 20:36.59 | rehges | "or so", even |
| 20:37.22 | rehges | s/of so of/or so of/ |
| 20:37.33 | rehges | apt: dumb botty, eh? |
| 20:37.35 | mirak | so I guess they are aware of that. there are bug reports on launchpad |
| 20:39.00 | rehges | i am told the qemu prep emulation still works |
| 20:39.19 | rehges | can't help you any further than that |
| 20:39.50 | mirak | rehges: I tried with prep but same problem, |
| 20:39.58 | mirak | I am maybe not doing the things right |
| 20:40.12 | rehges | yeah could be |
| 20:40.28 | rehges | ask on some qemu channel, or qemu list |
| 20:40.37 | rehges | or on #mklinux perhaps |
| 20:41.03 | rehges | not on the powerpc channel of a distro that has never shipped a working qemu ;-) |
| 20:41.12 | rehges | [i hope i didn't offend anyone there, heh] |
| 20:45.40 | mirak | rehges: well I don't have /dev/atarimouse |
| 20:48.18 | rehges | well hey, i haven't updated that script for years, you know... there are no more new powerpc macs... |
| 20:48.32 | rehges | so just change it for whatever other char device you w\ant |
| 20:49.05 | rehges | i just hijacked that one because it existed on all powerpc linux at the time, and wasn't ever used on macs (obviously) |
| 20:49.10 | mirak | rehges: yes but even that I don't understand |
| 20:49.15 | rehges | udev didn't exist yet, etc |
| 20:49.21 | mirak | how can I take anyother device char ? |
| 20:49.36 | mirak | I need to do it manually I guess |
| 20:50.04 | rehges | you can just create the atarimouse device node |
| 20:50.21 | rehges | mknod atarimouse 159 2 c or so |
| 20:51.02 | mirak | ok |
| 20:51.21 | rehges | good luck |
| 20:51.57 | mirak | I will give up |
| 20:52.02 | mirak | thanks |
| 21:40.29 | dmb | hmm, someone should write am umulator for the mOl hypervisor |
| 21:40.48 | dmb | if its able to emulate the apple hardware correctly, but not run on an x86 |
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| 22:36.04 | rehges | dmb: it doesn't emulate most hardware |
| 22:36.40 | rehges | it is enough to emulate one specific network card, etc |
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