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| 00:37.36 | wasted | Anyone that knows how to install crosstool can you look at this? http://pastebin.com/d3e7090ff |
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| 06:44.27 | Gnuman | hey simonrvn you live/ |
| 06:44.30 | Gnuman | ? |
| 06:44.33 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:44.44 | simonrvn | seems you're not the only one with the sound problem |
| 06:44.56 | simonrvn | .:20:39:13:. < magnus> Hi, I'm using unstable on a mac mini and recently the sound stopped working after some update. Any advice? |
| 06:45.07 | Gnuman | I also discovered a new twist to it as well. . . |
| 06:45.12 | Gnuman | wait what/ |
| 06:45.25 | Gnuman | Ahhh |
| 06:45.28 | simonrvn | that's all they left soon after |
| 06:45.51 | Gnuman | damn. I wish I ciould have seen that. . . |
| 06:46.17 | Gnuman | i was busy recompiling my kitchen sink |
| 06:46.22 | simonrvn | that's all there was. why? have an idea? |
| 06:46.26 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:46.39 | Gnuman | I had added a patch to the faucet subroutine. . . |
| 06:48.21 | simonrvn | computer controlled water regulator? |
| 06:49.03 | Gnuman | No but qa tankless water heater would be a nice upstream upgrade later on down the line |
| 06:49.31 | simonrvn | nice |
| 06:49.48 | Gnuman | the faucet was old and corroded, and it leaked, and the spout would bind when I tried to move it. . . |
| 06:50.14 | Gnuman | to the point that i had taken to using two hands to turn it to avoid breaking it. . . |
| 06:50.21 | simonrvn | crap :/ |
| 06:50.39 | Gnuman | Oh, and the spout was so low to the sink that it interfered with all but the smallest of dishes |
| 06:51.01 | simonrvn | odd way to build something |
| 06:51.01 | Gnuman | I had been in the market for a new one for some time |
| 06:51.30 | Gnuman | I wanted one of those high spouts types that you often see at bar sinks |
| 06:51.59 | Gnuman | this was a motorhome, built 30 years ago. . . |
| 06:52.04 | simonrvn | yeh with big ass down spout |
| 06:52.07 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 06:52.20 | Gnuman | the subflooring is particle board for $DIETY's sake. . . |
| 06:52.59 | simonrvn | icky... not even plywood |
| 06:53.05 | Gnuman | well I had found one, that called itself a bar fixture. . . |
| 06:53.31 | Gnuman | particle board . . .in areas that you just kow will be getting wet. . . |
| 06:53.38 | Gnuman | the kitchen. . . |
| 06:53.47 | Gnuman | the *bathroom*. . . |
| 06:54.22 | simonrvn | having been built 30 years ago is no excuse for a bad job ;) |
| 06:54.29 | Gnuman | let's just say there is a reason the company is no longer in operation. . . |
| 06:54.45 | simonrvn | no kidding, heh |
| 06:55.07 | Gnuman | 30 years ago everyone was doing crappy things like that. ..to save money |
| 06:55.40 | simonrvn | and poisoning people in the process |
| 06:56.02 | Gnuman | when I re-do this rig you can bet I'll be doing a better job of materials selection. . . |
| 06:56.22 | simonrvn | no doubt. i've seen we you do |
| 06:56.31 | simonrvn | s,we,what, |
| 06:56.46 | Gnuman | Oh? I don't remember that? |
| 06:56.58 | Gnuman | Oh, the computer station? |
| 06:57.04 | simonrvn | we wouldn't build like that either |
| 06:57.27 | simonrvn | yeh, for instance, decent job |
| 06:57.28 | Gnuman | or did you browse the other albums on my Picassa site as well? |
| 06:57.33 | simonrvn | not yet |
| 06:58.10 | Gnuman | I had to replace the bathroom floor. Check that out as an indication of the kind of job I will be doing. . . |
| 06:58.53 | simonrvn | ugh :(. well, you got stuff to keep you busy :P |
| 06:58.59 | Gnuman | nayway, i found this faucet, but I wanted to check out a different store, that advertises that they always have the lowest price for everything |
| 06:59.27 | Gnuman | good job that I did so. . . |
| 06:59.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:00.26 | Gnuman | You see, the problem with me getting a faucet for my kitchen/galley is that the holes in the sink are on 4" centers (about 10cm) |
| 07:00.54 | Gnuman | instead of the standard 8"centers (20cm) |
| 07:01.08 | simonrvn | i see the prob now... |
| 07:01.31 | Gnuman | 10 cm centers is the standard for lavattory faucets, or a bar sink, or somesuch |
| 07:01.52 | Gnuman | finding a useful kitchen sink faucet is hard in that size. . . |
| 07:01.58 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:02.32 | Gnuman | the "low price' store had an item billing itself as a laundry room faucet. . . |
| 07:03.10 | simonrvn | doesn't fit, or ..? |
| 07:03.23 | Gnuman | 10cm centers (good), and a spout that had a spray hose built into it. . . |
| 07:03.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:04.01 | Gnuman | This meant that I could use the hose to deal with larger items that diod not fit under the spout normally. . . |
| 07:04.34 | Gnuman | and it was only $5 more than the simple bar type one I had seen before. |
| 07:04.40 | simonrvn | yup, which is always nice |
| 07:05.01 | Gnuman | A deal like this you do not pass up. |
| 07:05.08 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 07:05.15 | simonrvn | :D |
| 07:05.51 | Gnuman | I got it home, and opened it up. I found annother nice surprise then: solid brass where the water goes. |
| 07:07.07 | simonrvn | oooh, that is nice |
| 07:07.30 | Gnuman | That night (last night) I crashed, and had to reboot emotionally (anxiety disorder: the reason I can't work and live on disability), but I was feeling better this AM and needed to do something for me |
| 07:07.51 | Gnuman | os I went to put in the new faucet. . . |
| 07:08.25 | Gnuman | because of the hose, it needed a three hole mounting pattern. . . |
| 07:08.32 | Gnuman | my sink only had two. |
| 07:08.56 | Gnuman | well, adding a hole is a lot easier than taking one away. . . . |
| 07:08.59 | simonrvn | oh no. so you had to re-do the mounting holes i guess, eh |
| 07:09.12 | simonrvn | oh that's not so bad then |
| 07:09.17 | Gnuman | and my sink is Stainless Steel |
| 07:10.00 | Gnuman | I took the plastic base plate off and used it as a template to mark where the hole needed to be |
| 07:10.38 | Gnuman | Oh look, the reinforcing ribs perfectly mark criosshairs. . . |
| 07:10.47 | Gnuman | I can use that to find the center |
| 07:11.36 | Gnuman | the hardest part was drilling the inital pilot hole, so the larger cutting tool could be put in |
| 07:12.07 | Gnuman | I got the hole close (a bit small, but close) |
| 07:12.16 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:12.40 | Gnuman | it just fit (I would need to clean up the sides of that center hole to make it fit better) |
| 07:13.03 | Gnuman | and I placed the new faucet in place to see how it would work. . . |
| 07:14.05 | simonrvn | and, worked out ok? :) |
| 07:14.10 | Gnuman | Nice surprise #2 (or is it three?) : the spout was naturally higher, so the use of the hose to get out of the way of dishes would not be needful most of the time |
| 07:14.36 | simonrvn | nice for sure (#3 by my count) |
| 07:15.24 | Gnuman | I pulled it out and cleaned up the holes, and scrubbed away most of the corrosion, then mounted the new faucet and hooked up water |
| 07:15.58 | Gnuman | when I turned on the water, I found that there was annother feature that I had not figured in. . . |
| 07:16.03 | simonrvn | weee, new faucet :). our sink is in bad shape, but sinks are expensive around here :( |
| 07:16.15 | simonrvn | shower? :P |
| 07:16.18 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 07:16.19 | Gnuman | spray setting as well as the stream I expected. . . |
| 07:16.39 | Gnuman | Yes, shower. . . |
| 07:16.58 | Gnuman | well, for the cat. . .she is not going to like that, i'll bet. . . |
| 07:17.05 | Gnuman | <G> |
| 07:17.19 | simonrvn | no ;). |
| 07:18.11 | Gnuman | To celebrate, I cleaned up the small pile of dishes that I had not been able to bring myself to wash before the project. . . |
| 07:18.32 | Gnuman | OK, I had justified it as a reasonable test of the new faucet. . . |
| 07:18.53 | simonrvn | now that you have a decent faucet, probably more inviting to do them |
| 07:18.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:19.13 | Gnuman | with the new fisture, it was such a breeze that I actually enjoyed it. . . |
| 07:19.19 | simonrvn | i "fixed" our leaky sink with some teflon tape coupld of days ago |
| 07:19.27 | simonrvn | oh that's cool |
| 07:19.42 | Gnuman | I have no dirty dishes at all. . . |
| 07:19.43 | simonrvn | s,ld,le, |
| 07:20.07 | Gnuman | hell, i even washed the pots used to cook dinner just after serving it up. |
| 07:20.19 | simonrvn | heh :) |
| 07:20.46 | Gnuman | and the dishes right after eating. . . |
| 07:21.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:21.26 | Gnuman | That is the first time that has happened (without slave labour) since I moved in! |
| 07:21.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:21.48 | Gnuman | I call that a sucessfull patch on the faucet |
| 07:22.05 | simonrvn | eh, partner bugging me to do the garbage.. bbiab. indeed it is a good patch |
| 07:23.45 | Gnuman | I also dumped the garbage today. Monday (when the dumpster is emptied) is about the only day I dan do such. |
| 07:24.00 | Gnuman | as by the middle of the week, it is overflowing. . . |
| 07:24.35 | Gnuman | but the marina's owner will not spring for a second dumping of the container. . |
| 07:25.06 | simonrvn | back. oh that sucks |
| 07:25.47 | Gnuman | Nah. What sucks is that this container is right behind my rig. |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | oh eew :/ |
| 07:26.10 | Gnuman | Every time they dump it, little bits of trash get blown onto my spot. . . |
| 07:28.08 | Gnuman | well, for 435/mo and all utilities included (except propane that I have to go and buy). . . |
| 07:28.33 | simonrvn | propane, for cooking? |
| 07:29.14 | Gnuman | Heh, I have a pair of 20 gallon tanks (think 4 times the one that sits under your gas barbeque). . . |
| 07:29.45 | Gnuman | yeah, stove, oven, hot water, should be furnace as well, and perhaps the fridge. |
| 07:30.16 | Gnuman | only using stove and hot water right now. . . |
| 07:30.21 | simonrvn | yeh, those are just 5 gallon ones... i've seen them, i have a tradable skill as a potter (other than the computer skills), and i've done raku firings |
| 07:30.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:30.36 | Gnuman | fridge has been replaced with an AC only unit. . . |
| 07:31.30 | simonrvn | raku firings i've done use those big ones (almost as tall as a human) |
| 07:31.49 | Gnuman | so a pair of . . .well, actually 24 gallon. 20 gallon actual usable capacity |
| 07:32.18 | Gnuman | well, a short human. . . |
| 07:32.32 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:33.17 | Gnuman | the ones I have are about 1.3m tall |
| 07:33.41 | simonrvn | (many of my friends are FBI [fucking big NDNs [native indigenous 'indians'], and i'm 5'10") |
| 07:33.50 | Gnuman | and 40-50cm in diameter. . . |
| 07:33.56 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:34.34 | Gnuman | you make the ones you use sound like 30 gal ones |
| 07:34.48 | Gnuman | about 150lbs? |
| 07:35.18 | Gnuman | the next size larger than mine, At my guess |
| 07:35.29 | simonrvn | yeh, pretty big, light blue colour |
| 07:35.41 | Gnuman | mine are. . . |
| 07:36.01 | Gnuman | most are white though\ |
| 07:36.47 | Gnuman | Oh, and you may eb using MAPP gass as well, to get more heat out of it. . . |
| 07:37.36 | simonrvn | dunno, that's what they said it was (i didn't get them) |
| 07:37.41 | simonrvn | propane i mean |
| 07:38.02 | Gnuman | KK, I was just thinking that MAPP would be hotter. . . |
| 07:38.25 | Gnuman | Propane would be a lot cheaper, if it gets hot enough |
| 07:38.33 | simonrvn | mapp? methane + ... + ... ? |
| 07:38.50 | simonrvn | yeh raku firings are low temp |
| 07:38.55 | Gnuman | Not sure. . |
| 07:39.02 | Gnuman | i'd have to google it. . . |
| 07:39.17 | simonrvn | on the pottery temperature range anyway, low temp stoneware and glazes |
| 07:39.46 | Gnuman | used in torches for a hotter flame. . .soldering, heating metal to loosten it when siezed together. . . |
| 07:40.01 | simonrvn | i see |
| 07:40.20 | simonrvn | nah, don't need those kinds of temps in raku |
| 07:40.24 | Gnuman | so propane is all that would be needed. . . |
| 07:40.28 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:41.20 | Gnuman | we use propane in RV's as butane would freeze in the temps we have in this country (or yours). . . |
| 07:41.48 | Gnuman | Mexico and further south, they use butane instead, as it is cheaper, IIRC |
| 07:41.57 | simonrvn | i think so, yeh |
| 07:42.09 | Gnuman | but it freezes at a higher temp than propane |
| 07:42.31 | Gnuman | so not real usable in winter. . . |
| 07:43.55 | simonrvn | no ;). when it (used to; climate change...) get down to -40ish around here.. butane would be pretty useless |
| 07:44.05 | Gnuman | anyway, I have two tanks, with a switching regulator to connect them. |
| 07:44.48 | simonrvn | manual switch, or do you have that rigged up too? |
| 07:45.05 | Gnuman | when one tan runs dry, I switch the other one to active, close off the valve to teh dry one, unhook it, and toss it in the car to be refilled. . . |
| 07:45.31 | Gnuman | OK, I do not "toss" it anywhere. . .empty or full. . . |
| 07:45.43 | simonrvn | hehe, i hope not ;). |
| 07:45.49 | Gnuman | takes about $60 to fill it |
| 07:46.14 | Gnuman | it is just too heavy to toss. . . |
| 07:46.31 | Gnuman | it would break things when it landed. . . |
| 07:46.45 | simonrvn | yeh other than being potentially dangerous |
| 07:47.14 | Gnuman | vslve is well protected by the large handle that surrounds it. . . |
| 07:47.56 | simonrvn | being pierced by some foreign object (yeh they're strong, but they're also heavy) |
| 07:48.07 | Gnuman | and when full,it weighs over a hundred puonds. . . |
| 07:48.46 | Gnuman | say, over 50 kilos |
| 07:49.07 | Gnuman | and the tanks I have are older. . . |
| 07:49.16 | Gnuman | very thick |
| 07:49.25 | Gnuman | making them heavier. . . |
| 07:49.57 | Gnuman | which is why the newer ones are thinner |
| 07:49.57 | simonrvn | i grok imperialist measures, i'm in the "in between metric and imperial measures" generation |
| 07:49.57 | Gnuman | hehe |
| 07:49.58 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 07:50.27 | Gnuman | I use imperial measurements here only as they are forced on me. . . |
| 07:50.44 | Gnuman | Metric just is more accurate.. . |
| 07:51.03 | simonrvn | tbh they never made much sense to me... who's fucking foot is that anyway? not *mine* |
| 07:51.13 | Gnuman | I mean, my fuel tank on my car is 15.8 gal. . . |
| 07:51.23 | Gnuman | but it is also 60L |
| 07:51.43 | Gnuman | nice even number that. . . |
| 07:51.57 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:53.19 | Gnuman | Oh, I added annother wrench to the sound problem. . . |
| 07:53.36 | Gnuman | Oh, and the sound works most of the time now too. . . |
| 07:53.44 | simonrvn | oh cool |
| 07:53.52 | simonrvn | how did you get it going? |
| 07:54.19 | Gnuman | Oh, I rebuilt the system and stayed with stable |
| 07:54.38 | Gnuman | but I got a clean build this time |
| 07:54.39 | simonrvn | ok. probably better, since the update broke it |
| 07:54.42 | simonrvn | good |
| 07:54.52 | Gnuman | except. . . |
| 07:55.35 | Gnuman | I wanted sound input as well. . . |
| 07:55.52 | simonrvn | not workie, or is that intermittent too? |
| 07:56.01 | Gnuman | so I could do voice recording, or use VoIP, or . . . |
| 07:56.14 | Gnuman | wellllll. . . . |
| 07:56.43 | Gnuman | Yu see, the mac mini has no microphone in jack. . . |
| 07:56.57 | Gnuman | only a headset out jack. . . |
| 07:57.25 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:57.33 | Gnuman | so I had to use a USB mike. . . |
| 07:57.45 | Gnuman | an AK5370. . . |
| 07:57.55 | Gnuman | go ahead and Google that. . . |
| 07:58.13 | Gnuman | it is seen. . . |
| 07:58.28 | Gnuman | and i get a slider for it. . . |
| 07:58.39 | simonrvn | first link from "AK5370 linux": "USB microphone (AK5370) and linux/Skype. Options V ... This works well under Windoze but has been a PITA under Linux. User is offline Profile Card ยท PM ..." |
| 07:58.42 | Gnuman | to adjust the gain. . . |
| 07:59.10 | simonrvn | 3rd link: USB Mic Recognized --but not working - need help to setup - Linux ... |
| 07:59.15 | Gnuman | but when I plug the mike in, i loose my sound alltogether. . . |
| 07:59.27 | simonrvn | oh :/ |
| 07:59.43 | Gnuman | However, when I unplug it, the sound comes back. . . |
| 07:59.55 | Gnuman | sometimes. . . |
| 08:00.07 | Gnuman | sigh |
| 08:00.11 | simonrvn | there's a lot of hits for it, fyi |
| 08:00.25 | Gnuman | yeah,i know. . . |
| 08:00.38 | Gnuman | I got Flightgear to run as well. . . |
| 08:00.47 | Gnuman | but not so well. . . |
| 08:00.53 | simonrvn | http://crache.net/blog/2006/05/06/logitech-usb-desktop-microphone-in-linux/ |
| 08:01.12 | Gnuman | you see, the video in this thing is a Radeon 9200 |
| 08:02.10 | simonrvn | (that page has an .asooundrc btw, might want to look at it) |
| 08:02.42 | simonrvn | those are supported by ati now (/me doesn't know)? |
| 08:09.02 | Gnuman | Avctually it is supported by the radeon driver. . . |
| 08:09.16 | Gnuman | it is also supposed to use AGP4x. . . |
| 08:09.21 | Gnuman | I'm only getting 1 |
| 08:12.14 | simonrvn | tried setting it explicitly? |
| 08:16.24 | Gnuman | I will . . . |
| 08:17.02 | Gnuman | I'm actually considering blowing this away again, and doing a LFS build. . . |
| 08:17.32 | Gnuman | compile everything I can get sources for, and setting everything by hand. . . |
| 08:18.18 | Gnuman | I mean spit! with the capability of this hardware, I should be getting a lot better performance than this! |
| 08:18.40 | Gnuman | I should be able to run FlightGear easily |
| 08:19.09 | Gnuman | and compile it from CVS without it segfaulting when I try to run it |
| 08:22.10 | simonrvn | debian's ppc stuff tends to be built with -maltivec |
| 08:22.45 | Gnuman | thast means? |
| 08:24.09 | simonrvn | meaning it's g4 optimised |
| 08:26.22 | Gnuman | well, I have a G4 |
| 08:26.35 | Gnuman | running at 1.42Ghz |
| 08:26.50 | Gnuman | with a gig of RAM. . . |
| 08:30.25 | Gnuman | I really want to jack up the HDD in this thing first though. . . |
| 08:30.31 | simonrvn | voltaire is a dual g4 tower |
| 08:30.37 | Gnuman | I only have a 100G HDD |
| 08:30.44 | simonrvn | voltaire is one of the ppc buildds |
| 08:30.49 | simonrvn | "only" heh |
| 08:31.07 | Gnuman | I want to bring that up to a 250G. . . |
| 08:31.32 | Gnuman | put 50G for panther, and the rest for Linus |
| 08:31.42 | Gnuman | Linux |
| 08:32.11 | Gnuman | well, I may concede to Tiger. . . |
| 08:32.17 | Gnuman | I have both available. . . |
| 08:32.58 | Gnuman | I get really crappy framerates in tiger, but I got decent ones in Panther |
| 08:33.35 | Gnuman | bah, I'll use Tiger for the OSX partition. . . |
| 08:34.07 | Gnuman | I only use it rarely anyway. . . |
| 08:34.41 | Gnuman | and probably a lot less after I build the new system from scratch. . . |
| 08:34.55 | simonrvn | heh =) |
| 08:35.20 | Gnuman | as I'll likely have a decent video performance level, and be able to encode mp3's |
| 08:35.41 | Gnuman | that is all I use Tiger for anyway. . . |
| 08:36.12 | Gnuman | to rip CDs so I can toss the music onto SD cards for my car stereo. . . |
| 08:38.45 | simonrvn | nice |
| 08:44.20 | Gnuman | My car stereo (the one I had died: no output) does HD radio, SD card, CD (with mp3), Front panel USB (flash drive), Front panel AUX in, iPod, XM. . . |
| 08:44.35 | Gnuman | all this at 40w/chan |
| 08:45.30 | Gnuman | USB abd SD card go up to 4Gb as a limit |
| 08:45.43 | Gnuman | Oh, and it has a remote. . . |
| 08:50.50 | Gnuman | Single DIN form factor, where the old one took 2.5DIN |
| 08:51.17 | Gnuman | so i'm getting a 1.5DIN pocket to go underneath it. . . |
| 08:51.29 | Gnuman | on it's way as we speak, actually |
| 08:53.54 | Gnuman | Hmmm, I need to be at my best tomorrow, so I had better hit the rack before I hit the deck. . . |
| 08:54.03 | Gnuman | sleep well! |
| 09:08.07 | simonrvn | g'night gnuman |
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| 12:43.12 | ilampG4 | anyone around? |
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| 18:42.34 | simonrvn | it's fricking spring right now, here. 8. a lot of the snow has melted, from the snowstorms and thundersnow we had |
| 18:42.42 | simonrvn | was 8 yesterday too |
| 18:43.58 | Bor_Ed | we're getting some snow now... and first time ppl have been on ice fishing this autumn |
| 18:44.09 | Bor_Ed | -2 now |
| 18:44.58 | simonrvn | there *was* ice fishing here, now the ice is turning into slush and water, and sinking people :( |
| 18:45.33 | simonrvn | by thrusday it'll start being back to normal, below freezing |
| 18:45.37 | simonrvn | urs* |
| 18:47.02 | Bor_Ed | here ppl have been saved from the ice as long as the ice has been covering the sea this autumn :D |
| 18:49.06 | simonrvn | my inuit friends and in the news they say the north is all wonky now, their traditional knowledge isn't helping, since the light, the sea ice, etc. is all wonky. |
| 18:49.42 | Bor_Ed | yup... here the ice is just starting to thicken and now we got close to 0 weather and snow... doesn't help a bit |
| 18:49.52 | simonrvn | they can't predict the weather as well, the ice is treacherous... |
| 18:50.17 | Bor_Ed | yup... same here in normal march/april |
| 18:50.19 | simonrvn | yeh, it should be thick by now |
| 18:50.38 | Bor_Ed | we've got ~2cm of ice when there's no currents in the sea |
| 18:50.43 | Bor_Ed | normally 15+ cm |
| 18:50.50 | simonrvn | FUCK |
| 18:51.21 | Bor_Ed | talk about ice age coming :) |
| 18:51.50 | simonrvn | more like ice melt ;p |
| 18:52.09 | Bor_Ed | ya... same stuff all over europe really... except in south where the temps are below freezing |
| 18:52.12 | simonrvn | though if the gulf stream stops, there may very well be an ice age |
| 18:52.34 | simonrvn | (it's been slowing down last little while) |
| 18:52.47 | Bor_Ed | 30% in last 20 years |
| 18:52.52 | Bor_Ed | thanks to polar ice melting |
| 18:52.54 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:53.07 | simonrvn | melting faster, yeh |
| 18:54.49 | Bor_Ed | well, at least we don't have to use spikes on vehicles in becoming yearsa |
| 18:55.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:56.14 | simonrvn | dunno if you guys do this, but here, up north, they make ice roads, to get stuff up and down |
| 18:56.33 | simonrvn | via motor vehicles anyway |
| 18:56.50 | simonrvn | nods |
| 18:56.54 | Bor_Ed | here we use ice roads too if the weather allows... last couple of 'winters' have been quite quiet though |
| 18:58.17 | simonrvn | up until last few years the ice roads have been consistent... they're going too. there's a lot of bogs and such, they make the going easier... you can see it in google earth very well, all those little round bumps in the ground |
| 18:59.58 | Bor_Ed | I see... here ice roads thend to start from utility harbours where ppl drop the boats from trailers to theh water |
| 19:00.13 | simonrvn | there's very little permanent roads in a lot of areas, so they rely on the ice roads, or planes a lot |
| 19:01.01 | Bor_Ed | not for long... |
| 19:01.06 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:01.21 | Bor_Ed | I knew about the bush pilots in there already... I follow aviation stuff pretty closely |
| 19:01.50 | simonrvn | yeh, they're tough buggers, i'd rather fly with them than some airline pilot ;) |
| 19:02.22 | simonrvn | m4d fly1ng sk177z |
| 19:02.25 | Bor_Ed | yup... the guys know their stuff... buggr 30m run on takeoff tells something :D |
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