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| 07:04.29 | brianski | howdy.... this is obviously a loaded q, and the responses are probably predictable given where i'm asking it ;-), but does debian do better than ubuntu as a desktop on ppc? |
| 08:11.22 | simonrvn | i'd say lenny is more reliable than current ubuntu stable, IME |
| 08:11.50 | simonrvn | ...with approx. the same versions for stuff |
| 09:18.21 | brianski | yeah it seems clear to me that debian is the winner right now |
| 09:18.36 | brianski | but a year from now, when debian still has the same software, ubuntu might make some progress |
| 09:18.49 | brianski | then again maybe not, as ubuntu-ppc has been downgraded to "port" status |
| 09:19.20 | brianski | i really just want a firefox that doesn't eat so much memory ;-) |
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| 14:22.19 | Bor_Ed | hmm, try galeon instead, uses same engine as firefox and is way lighter |
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| 17:45.00 | simonrvn | lenny is testing, hence my suggesting it |
| 17:45.15 | simonrvn | brianski: ^^^ |
| 17:45.23 | Bor_Ed | quick reply :) |
| 17:45.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 20:26.43 | Sadie | hi |
| 20:26.53 | Bor_Ed | evening |
| 20:27.04 | Sadie | i have a b&w power mac g3.. how can i bind control-click to right click? |
| 20:27.36 | simonrvn | @3 buttons |
| 20:27.42 | simonrvn | @+3 buttons |
| 20:27.43 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can enable it immediately by running sysctl -p after you've edited sysctl |
| 20:28.05 | simonrvn | .conf is mssing from that |
| 20:28.13 | simonrvn | mi* |
| 20:28.20 | Sadie | ok thanks |
| 20:28.22 | Sadie | me tries |
| 20:35.28 | Sadie | thanks |
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| 20:39.33 | Bor_Ed | doesn't b&w g3 support real mice too on usb port? :) |
| 20:39.51 | Bor_Ed | iirc, it has couple of usb ports around |
| 20:40.43 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:41.25 | Bor_Ed | I wonder which is more usable... the F-key hack or 6 eur/usd wheel mouse |
| 20:43.32 | simonrvn | less moving around with the mouse |
| 20:43.59 | Bor_Ed | dunno |
| 20:44.36 | Bor_Ed | well, gals box here has the original mouse on imac... need to get her optical one 'soon' since the original is about done |
| 20:44.57 | simonrvn | i hate those puck mice |
| 20:45.11 | Bor_Ed | it's ok on good mouse mat |
| 20:45.33 | Bor_Ed | just a bit hard to orientate for a start |
| 20:47.21 | simonrvn | you're still stuck with an os that wants 3 buttons ;) |
| 20:48.18 | Bor_Ed | naa, that box has just 10.4 and 9.2 because of the usability reasons... I just dropped the box in there and left it, she copes mockos nowadays decently since it's completely localized |
| 20:48.43 | simonrvn | oh yeh, true |
| 20:48.45 | Bor_Ed | gnome and apps still isn't 100% working |
| 20:49.45 | Bor_Ed | just upgraded the g3/600 with cd-rw drive to g3/400 with dvd drive to her, nowadays even movies are piece of cake in kids room... and it was way cheaper than getting one of those integrated telly/dvd combos too |
| 20:51.18 | simonrvn | for sure, and you can save them too |
| 20:51.47 | Bor_Ed | well, got the g3/600 on sale currently... no need for 4 macs in the apartment :) |
| 20:52.08 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:52.56 | Bor_Ed | still need to loose the oldworld macs too and upgrade the server to efika or similar setup |
| 20:53.20 | simonrvn | i'd like to do that, but they're a lot of money |
| 20:53.41 | Bor_Ed | $99 usd, around 150 eur shipped and with tax to here |
| 20:53.57 | simonrvn | i have to replace this drive soon... and that's 55$CDN |
| 20:54.20 | simonrvn | 80 GB PATA |
| 20:54.32 | Bor_Ed | I just replaced a drive on wifes box, hefty 43 eur for 80G pata |
| 20:55.14 | simonrvn | supposedly "cheaper" (per MB) to get them in 160 GB and up sizes... |
| 20:55.22 | Bor_Ed | and I need more space to NAS... 200G drive is grmbl full already :D |
| 20:55.37 | simonrvn | but 150$ for an hdd is still a lot... |
| 20:55.52 | Bor_Ed | I spotted today on one store lacie NAS box with 500G drive at 225 eur |
| 20:55.55 | simonrvn | i'm still running shit on 9 and 18 gb drives |
| 20:56.14 | Bor_Ed | here server has 3.2G system disk and 200G storage |
| 20:56.25 | simonrvn | a 36 (!) GB SCSI is ~160 |
| 20:56.42 | Bor_Ed | aww, scsi disks |
| 20:57.11 | simonrvn | i can't boot a beige from a sata card... |
| 20:57.20 | Bor_Ed | just get 2 pata disks and scsi adapters for 'em... raid mirror comes cheaper than buggr scsi disk :) |
| 20:57.41 | Bor_Ed | the pata<->scsi adapters are 20-30 eur/usd |
| 20:59.12 | simonrvn | hhmmm |
| 21:01.31 | Bor_Ed | http://www.addonics.com/products/io/ide_scsi.asp first hit on google |
| 21:02.24 | Bor_Ed | apparently not cheapest at $69 usd |
| 21:14.58 | simonrvn | i'll look around for one then.. thanks :) |
| 21:15.56 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 21:16.29 | Bor_Ed | a bit cheaper than scsi... and with good quality ide drives the setup can run for 5-10 years before drive gives up |
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| 22:51.14 | simonrvn | yeh, key here is good quality ;) |
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