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| 07:13.42 | sniff^ | how to know my debian 4.0 is r1 or r2 |
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| 08:32.08 | sniff^ | yeah |
| 08:32.10 | simonrvn | sniff^: easier this way :) |
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| 08:32.41 | simonrvn | so yeh, no problem then, if you've been keeping up to date ;) |
| 08:32.52 | simonrvn | hth |
| 08:33.16 | sniff^ | apt-get update |
| 08:33.19 | sniff^ | apt-get upgrade |
| 08:33.20 | sniff^ | hehe |
| 08:33.39 | simonrvn | pretty much :). i use aptitude, but that's cool too |
| 08:36.14 | sniff^ | aptitude |
| 08:36.27 | simonrvn | @aptitude |
| 08:36.28 | ravenbird | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude' |
| 08:36.43 | simonrvn | eh, that's old. lemme update |
| 08:37.24 | simonrvn | no aptitude is <reply>"the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 08:37.31 | simonrvn | @no aptitude is <reply>"the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 08:37.31 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 08:37.37 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 08:39.13 | simonrvn | weee |
| 08:40.16 | simonrvn | @aptitude |
| 08:40.20 | simonrvn | @+aptitude |
| 08:40.21 | ravenbird | "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 08:40.27 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:41.05 | simonrvn | sniff^: you can get help for ppc here, or more general debian help in #debian |
| 08:41.16 | simonrvn | er, debian ppc :) |
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| 16:16.39 | calamari | hi |
| 16:21.10 | calamari | I guess a Beige G3 is still oldworld, isn't it |
| 16:25.31 | Bor_Ed | yup |
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| 18:16.14 | simonrvn | "still oldworld"? :) |
| 18:16.34 | Bor_Ed | it's 2.x firmware :D |
| 18:17.10 | Bor_Ed | as you know, it's worst of both 'worlds' :) |
| 18:17.55 | simonrvn | for a min. he made it sound like they suddenly became v3.cx or such, hehe |
| 18:18.13 | simonrvn | s,cx,x, |
| 18:18.28 | Bor_Ed | didn't notice... |
| 18:19.14 | simonrvn | just the way i eread it |
| 18:19.40 | simonrvn | brb |
| 18:21.54 | simonrvn | re |
| 18:22.12 | Bor_Ed | re |
| 18:22.57 | Bor_Ed | btw, ever heard of rom upgrades for beige g3? it has a upgrade slot so I'd think there's some on the market, just haven't found any |
| 18:25.14 | simonrvn | heard of them, never saw them |
| 18:25.44 | Bor_Ed | buggr that... u-boot or openbios would be a killer on such stick :) |
| 18:26.15 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 18:26.49 | Bor_Ed | I wonder if apple would give spec for the expansion slot... |
| 18:28.17 | simonrvn | good question... somehow i doubt they will, but worth a try asking |
| 18:28.52 | Bor_Ed | ibm at least used to give info on their hardware... not the peecee crap but real one |
| 18:32.36 | Bor_Ed | googling tells that the upgrade slot can only have rev B or C rom... grmbl, probably need to contact apple |
| 18:38.11 | simonrvn | yeh :/ |
| 18:43.05 | Bor_Ed | I don't get it... I have rev A. box (no support for 2 devices on same bus) and yet I have 2 HDs on first ide :o |
| 19:05.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:06.06 | simonrvn | crazy shit innit |
| 19:07.00 | Bor_Ed | apple engineers have had good tea while coding the firmware for sure |
| 19:07.21 | simonrvn | thos beta versions, certainly |
| 19:07.39 | Bor_Ed | beta eh? I bought production machine :D |
| 19:08.23 | simonrvn | the OF were for sure ;) |
| 19:09.18 | Bor_Ed | yer better guru on the search for apple knowledge I bet... could you think of place where it'd be possible to ask about the upgrade slot stuff? |
| 19:10.11 | simonrvn | developer forums? (if they have any; i'm kinda rusty) |
| 19:10.33 | simonrvn | developer.apple.com |
| 19:10.39 | Bor_Ed | I just use apple gear as server nowadays... if it works, I won't hook cables in to it |
| 19:11.04 | Bor_Ed | need to check tomorrow at work :) |
| 19:11.22 | simonrvn | pretty much same here, this thing i'm typing from is an ancient 686 ... |
| 19:13.14 | simonrvn | p3/500 (cpu is 667, mobo has a max of 500 i think); 256 mb ram |
| 19:13.53 | Bor_Ed | it does ok for mail and irc :P |
| 19:14.52 | Bor_Ed | I got one of the imacs I don't have use for anymore for sale currently on domestic auction, don't really have room to keep all the gear here in running condition |
| 19:16.09 | simonrvn | yeh, us too, just need to sort it out, it's all over the apt. then i'll probably sell/give it away |
| 19:16.52 | Bor_Ed | same here... we've got 3 computers and server in active use and close to 10 computers in total |
| 19:18.15 | simonrvn | we don't have the room for 10 boxen ;), but there's 6, those are with case, and at least 3 more mobos |
| 19:18.28 | Bor_Ed | gee :) |
| 19:19.17 | simonrvn | 3 in active use (trying to get a 4th one up to take load off main server. i think i may have to use the 7500 |
| 19:19.21 | simonrvn | ) |
| 19:19.38 | simonrvn | use that one as a database server |
| 19:19.55 | simonrvn | postgres, mysql, ldap, ... |
| 19:21.06 | Bor_Ed | friend just disassembled beige g3 in yankees, he'll be trashing the computer as soon as he gets back home since didn't get it to run correctly |
| 19:21.11 | Bor_Ed | g3/300 iirc |
| 19:21.53 | simonrvn | the powetower pro is dead i think, or the video for it is |
| 19:22.14 | Bor_Ed | you can always use serial uplink on powertower |
| 19:23.38 | simonrvn | there's no onboard as you know, so i just need to find another card for it, or go serial (i need to config it for that first) |
| 19:23.59 | Bor_Ed | doesn't OF answer always on serial too? |
| 19:24.14 | simonrvn | those versions default to serial |
| 19:24.14 | Bor_Ed | screen just is default on some setups |
| 19:24.43 | simonrvn | it's one of the 1.0.5 series OF machines |
| 19:25.04 | Bor_Ed | that'll do serial after pram reset |
| 19:25.15 | simonrvn | yup |
| 19:25.37 | Bor_Ed | and with suitable kit of floppies or network boot, no problemo |
| 19:27.27 | simonrvn | i have a os 9 drive ther =) |
| 19:27.29 | simonrvn | e |
| 19:27.42 | Bor_Ed | not much use on serial approach :) |
| 19:29.55 | simonrvn | nnot really ;)[1~[3~ |
| 19:29.55 | simonrvn | bah lag |
| 19:30.07 | Bor_Ed | no shit? I thought mockos can't be used from console uplink |
| 19:31.02 | simonrvn | hat's what i meant, but people have tried to implement stuff for it |
| 19:31.22 | simonrvn | t |
| 19:31.40 | Bor_Ed | linux will run on 1.x OF even without os partition and bootx |
| 19:33.01 | simonrvn | sure will. but i'm using it for recovery work right now. ordinarily it doesn't have it |
| 19:33.43 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:38.35 | simonrvn | i was trying to get the pt pro to boot properly, but its pci bus is finicky, so i'm stuck doing crazy tricks.... (has 6 slots splitting effectively one bus that's only 3 slots capable, really), hence considering the 7500) |
| 19:38.38 | simonrvn | s,)$,, |
| 19:38.48 | Bor_Ed | ahh, just kinda pci riser |
| 19:39.43 | simonrvn | no it's builtin onto the mobo, but because of that (i think so anyway) the mesh internal scsi is non-functional pretty much |
| 19:40.02 | Bor_Ed | mmm, nice piece of hardware implementation then :) |
| 19:40.21 | simonrvn | rather a pita |
| 19:40.32 | Bor_Ed | indeed |
| 19:40.40 | simonrvn | the case is really nice however |
| 19:40.51 | Bor_Ed | probably has enough room |
| 19:41.37 | simonrvn | one of the better designed cases of the gen., imo |
| 19:42.07 | Bor_Ed | what was the motorola desktop case for mac clones? iirc that was pretty decent too |
| 19:42.31 | simonrvn | starmax i think, those were ok too |
| 19:42.39 | Bor_Ed | rite, that was it |
| 19:43.04 | simonrvn | a bit iffy in some tightness of some of those, but decent |
| 19:43.18 | simonrvn | some corners were a bit too snug to work in |
| 19:46.07 | Bor_Ed | those were about first mac clones too iirc since apple is pretty much the chrp with own firmware |
| 19:46.50 | simonrvn | yeh, they booted mac os fine too. the ide is odd on them IIRC (-->models page) |
| 19:47.23 | Bor_Ed | don't have any of such piece available currently so not really that important |
| 19:49.21 | simonrvn | sec |
| 19:51.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 19:56.05 | Bor_Ed | time to drop dead here, wakeup before 5am tomorrow |
| 19:58.21 | simonrvn | mm. ok. g'night |
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