| 00:22.40 | dclarke | boot eth:I'm confused |
| 00:22.46 | dclarke | oops |
| 00:22.51 | dclarke | I'm confused |
| 00:23.05 | dclarke | when I netboot the kernel I see this : http://rafb.net/p/EZNs8q66.html |
| 00:23.39 | dclarke | Linux/PPC 2.6.18 seems okay .. but it sort of stops there |
| 00:23.47 | dclarke | am I missing something here ? |
| 01:03.57 | dclarke | any one alive here ? |
| 05:25.42 | simonrvn | nope |
| 05:26.41 | simonrvn | dclarke: initrd ? |
| 05:26.59 | simonrvn | oh not even |
| 05:27.03 | dclarke | hello |
| 05:27.07 | dclarke | I have it working |
| 05:27.07 | simonrvn | hi |
| 05:27.11 | simonrvn | good :) |
| 05:27.16 | dclarke | took a lot of jiggering |
| 05:27.24 | simonrvn | that's pre-boot messages |
| 05:27.27 | dclarke | and one loose cable later |
| 05:27.31 | simonrvn | aah =) |
| 05:27.36 | dclarke | I'm looking at the installer now |
| 05:27.41 | dclarke | via a serial console cable |
| 05:27.46 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 05:27.52 | dclarke | and its asking about partition table types .. I selected bsd |
| 05:28.13 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 05:28.15 | dclarke | wasn't too sure what too pick for the on board hard disk |
| 05:28.35 | dclarke | msdos would be better ? |
| 05:28.41 | simonrvn | not sure, i don't have experience with efika machines |
| 05:29.09 | dclarke | okay .. I'm more concerned about the architecture and being able to detect the partitions via the openfirmware |
| 05:29.15 | dclarke | msdos sounds safe |
| 05:29.46 | dclarke | and I guess I'll find out at the next reboot |
| 05:29.52 | simonrvn | what version OF is that? |
| 05:29.53 | dclarke | good to see ppc is alive in debian |
| 05:29.58 | dclarke | ummm .. let me see |
| 05:30.22 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.33 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/W5Kx2h13.txt |
| 05:30.53 | dclarke | Version 1.3 (20070122084838) |
| 05:31.05 | simonrvn | probably something pretty recent |
| 05:31.14 | simonrvn | seeing from the date |
| 05:31.18 | dclarke | yeah ... I did the flash update tonight |
| 05:31.40 | dclarke | how many partitions should I make ? |
| 05:31.55 | dclarke | one for /boot and one for /usr and one for /home and swap ? |
| 05:31.59 | dclarke | four in total ? |
| 05:32.09 | simonrvn | you only need a /boot if you're doing lvm / |
| 05:32.13 | simonrvn | or raid |
| 05:32.17 | simonrvn | or raid / |
| 05:32.21 | dclarke | okay .. I'm doing neither |
| 05:32.32 | dclarke | so then .. just /usr and /home and swap |
| 05:32.41 | simonrvn | /var is good too |
| 05:32.43 | dclarke | and maybe /usr/local for my own GNU software work |
| 05:32.58 | dclarke | well .. I only can do four partitions with msdos type tables |
| 05:33.03 | dclarke | I think |
| 05:33.10 | simonrvn | /var isn't as important on a workstation though |
| 05:33.25 | dclarke | this will be highly experimental |
| 05:33.35 | simonrvn | well, there's logical and primary with msdos |
| 05:33.40 | dclarke | okay .. so maybe one big / and be done with it |
| 05:33.40 | simonrvn | 4 primary max |
| 05:33.52 | dclarke | okay .. right .. I recall now |
| 05:33.57 | dclarke | 4 primary |
| 05:34.16 | dclarke | is 6GB good for /usr ? |
| 05:34.19 | dclarke | less or more ? |
| 05:34.37 | simonrvn | how big is the disk? |
| 05:34.48 | dclarke | 15.1 GB |
| 05:34.57 | simonrvn | go for more, like 8 |
| 05:35.14 | dclarke | wow .. okay .. just for /usr or is that for / ? |
| 05:35.47 | dclarke | and Ext3 journaling file system ? |
| 05:36.01 | simonrvn | / you'll need like 500-750 mb comfortably, plus /var of 1-2 gb maybe 3 |
| 05:36.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:36.25 | dclarke | okay .. so this 8 GB slice will be Ext3 |
| 05:37.21 | dclarke | Bootable flag: off |
| 05:37.23 | simonrvn | you'll need a largish /var for big updates |
| 05:37.26 | dclarke | that can NOT be right |
| 05:37.32 | simonrvn | doesn't matter |
| 05:37.41 | dclarke | really .. okay |
| 05:37.59 | simonrvn | doesn't matter on x86, nor these |
| 05:38.06 | dclarke | beuty |
| 05:38.13 | dclarke | I know my way around Solaris better |
| 05:38.18 | dclarke | this is new to me |
| 05:38.36 | dclarke | okay .. 4GB /var ? |
| 05:38.52 | simonrvn | that's *plenty* |
| 05:39.03 | dclarke | okay .. maybe too much :-\ |
| 05:39.15 | dclarke | is /var used for software updates and things like that ? |
| 05:39.24 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:39.37 | dclarke | hrmmm .. 3GB is probably okay |
| 05:39.52 | simonrvn | also databases of various sorts, hence needing bigger on certain kinds of servers |
| 05:40.08 | dclarke | this machine fits in the palm of my hand |
| 05:40.13 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:40.17 | dclarke | it is literally the size of a pack of cigs |
| 05:40.31 | simonrvn | i wish i could afford one, i'd have one as my router |
| 05:40.51 | simonrvn | and maybe another for db stuff |
| 05:40.52 | dclarke | they are cheap like .. cheap |
| 05:40.57 | dclarke | super cheap |
| 05:41.07 | dclarke | $200 or so |
| 05:41.16 | simonrvn | that's not cheap to me ;) |
| 05:41.24 | dclarke | makes a crappy router .. only one network interface |
| 05:41.30 | dclarke | oh .. sorry |
| 05:41.45 | dclarke | I got this one a while ago .. finanly getting around to trying it out |
| 05:42.06 | simonrvn | s'ok :). oh cool |
| 05:42.28 | dclarke | are you in North America ? |
| 05:42.33 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:42.48 | dclarke | you can get an EFIKA from directron.com .. |
| 05:42.53 | dclarke | if you can |
| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:43.59 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 05:44.18 | dclarke | do you have much experience with PPC ? |
| 05:44.28 | simonrvn | yeh, mostly macs though |
| 05:44.52 | dclarke | yeah .. they dominate that market .. or once did |
| 05:45.01 | dclarke | the G5 rocked |
| 05:45.01 | dclarke | I have no damn clue why they moved away from PPC |
| 05:45.43 | simonrvn | i don't either. not like they were already using off-the-shelf stuff like ide, and eventually sata, usb, f/w, ... |
| 05:46.48 | dclarke | probably too many companies bitching that they don't run windows .. |
| 05:46.59 | dclarke | you wouldn't believe the crap I hear in offices |
| 05:47.11 | dclarke | impossibly stupid people .. with drivers livenses |
| 05:47.12 | simonrvn | "your mac can now run windows!" -- why? |
| 05:47.14 | dclarke | licenses |
| 05:47.28 | dclarke | exactly |
| 05:47.31 | dclarke | MS is crap |
| 05:47.39 | dclarke | a;ways has been |
| 05:47.44 | dclarke | always |
| 05:48.06 | simonrvn | OF still has expensive license though, though to a big corp. like apple that sort of stuff is a drop in the bucket |
| 05:48.38 | simonrvn | and there's now linuxbios, and openbios |
| 05:48.56 | simonrvn | (openbios being FOSS OF) |
| 05:48.58 | dclarke | openbios is a good idea |
| 05:49.08 | dclarke | yeah .. its a good way to go |
| 05:49.12 | dclarke | and GRUB2 |
| 05:49.27 | simonrvn | for sure... the fricking inhel macs went for *EFI* of all things |
| 05:49.43 | dclarke | sad .. |
| 05:49.55 | simonrvn | it is |
| 05:49.58 | dclarke | they *had* a very distinct computing product |
| 05:50.04 | dclarke | with a superior architecture |
| 05:50.10 | dclarke | I just don't get it |
| 05:50.50 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 05:52.07 | simonrvn | i still stick to ppc, just for the simple reason that it's what it is |
| 05:54.01 | dclarke | well .. after going back and forth a bit I went with 8GB / and 4GB /var and 2.6GB /home and 512MB swap |
| 05:54.08 | simonrvn | good arch, good resource usage, are the ones that pop up immediately |
| 05:55.25 | simonrvn | hm, /home might get tight if you run stuff like gnome and beagle, or a lot of multimedia, but if you do most of your work elsewhere you won't suffer |
| 05:55.32 | dclarke | wow .. this little thing is formatting its disk |
| 05:55.45 | dclarke | oh .. no video on this |
| 05:55.53 | dclarke | strictly serial console |
| 05:55.59 | dclarke | no graphics ever |
| 05:56.02 | simonrvn | doh :) "...serial console..." |
| 05:56.06 | dclarke | yeah |
| 05:56.23 | dclarke | my intent is to work on GCC 4.2.3 |
| 05:56.29 | dclarke | as well as the toolchain |
| 05:56.35 | dclarke | the GNU toolchain |
| 05:56.50 | simonrvn | i see. you gcc dev or something? |
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| 05:57.15 | simonrvn | @tell leif__ -about root |
| 05:57.53 | leif__ | @tell simonrvn -about ssh -D |
| 05:58.09 | dclarke | GCC dev .. yeah .. sort of |
| 05:58.51 | dclarke | I report my builds to the GCC team and then they go onto the official build reports page and then I release them to the world |
| 05:58.57 | simonrvn | leif__: and how am i supposed to know that? |
| 05:59.06 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 05:59.12 | simonrvn | tester, more |
| 05:59.31 | simonrvn | i'd call that development work |
| 05:59.55 | dclarke | well .. sort of |
| 06:00.03 | dclarke | I port to Solaris a lot |
| 06:00.11 | dclarke | damn |
| 06:00.13 | dclarke | Debootstrap Error |
| 06:00.17 | simonrvn | needs testing, right? :). |
| 06:00.29 | simonrvn | aah, crap :/ |
| 06:00.34 | dclarke | I better resolve this oopsie that just happene d |
| 06:00.45 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.34 | simonrvn | you can try that again |
| 06:01.44 | dclarke | k |
| 06:01.56 | dclarke | Failed to install the base system |
| 06:02.03 | dclarke | The base system installation into /target/ failed |
| 06:02.15 | simonrvn | go back to the main menu and choose another mirror |
| 06:02.24 | dclarke | ok |
| 06:03.08 | simonrvn | that one is usually reliable, but sometimes freaky things happen, like during a dinstall (package update) |
| 06:03.15 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.18 | dclarke | damn |
| 06:03.22 | simonrvn | or mirror pulse, as it's called |
| 06:04.15 | simonrvn | linux and debian were my 2nd *nix, first one was some sun terminal at uni back in '92 |
| 06:04.29 | dclarke | I still have Solaris here |
| 06:04.47 | dclarke | but .. its super modern |
| 06:04.56 | dclarke | SunOS charon 5.11 snv_79a i86pc i386 i86pc |
| 06:04.58 | simonrvn | yeh ;). 10? |
| 06:05.03 | simonrvn | oh 11 |
| 06:05.10 | dclarke | Solaris Express Developer Edition 1/08 snv_79b X86 |
| 06:05.11 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 06:05.25 | simonrvn | pff, doesn't tell me much :/ |
| 06:05.25 | dclarke | Solaris 11 i what it is |
| 06:05.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:05.33 | dclarke | AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 246 procs |
| 06:05.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:05.53 | dclarke | its a killer OS |
| 06:06.20 | dclarke | pardon me .. I have to find a mirror |
| 06:06.45 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:07.02 | dclarke | hrmmm |
| 06:07.11 | dclarke | even ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ is bad again |
| 06:08.00 | dclarke | with my browser I can look right at http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/ |
| 06:08.03 | dclarke | wtf |
| 06:08.21 | simonrvn | try usherbrooke or yorku |
| 06:09.43 | dclarke | I'll try debian.yorku.ca |
| 06:09.49 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:10.21 | dclarke | okay .. something is broken here |
| 06:10.26 | dclarke | it says that is bad too |
| 06:10.49 | simonrvn | damn... looks like you may have to restart it :( |
| 06:11.15 | dclarke | I'll try the ip address 130.63.236.141 |
| 06:11.15 | simonrvn | luckily that sort of thing is rare |
| 06:11.21 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:11.33 | dclarke | Bad archive mirror |
| 06:11.37 | dclarke | og heck |
| 06:11.43 | simonrvn | 141.236.63.130.in-addr.arpa. 21600 IN PTR debian.yorku.ca. |
| 06:11.45 | dclarke | it took a lot of work to get this far |
| 06:12.17 | simonrvn | that's what i figured, and why i hated typing that |
| 06:12.32 | dclarke | http://130.63.236.141/debian/ looks right |
| 06:12.38 | dclarke | but I think that the installer gave up |
| 06:13.09 | dclarke | I'm going to try to kick the ip stack with a DHCP auto config from the main menu |
| 06:14.02 | simonrvn | ok.. going afk for a little while. bbl |
| 06:14.09 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 06:14.12 | dclarke | I'll be here |
| 06:15.57 | dclarke | success ! Installing the base system |
| 06:16.10 | dclarke | may have been a "mirror pulse" :-) |
| 06:36.12 | dclarke | now I'll step away for a bit ... |
| 06:57.55 | simonrvn | yay |
| 07:27.01 | dclarke | still installing |
| 07:27.21 | dclarke | Select and install software 86% |
| 07:27.37 | dclarke | and I wander away .. again |
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| 13:57.26 | ekl | hi |
| 13:57.29 | ekl | anyone ? |
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| 16:53.05 | dclarke | it took some time but I'm here |
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| 18:23.21 | simonrvn | nice |
| 18:24.22 | simonrvn | last night my boot drive - the one i use to boot to linux via mac os - died. tick of death, bad sectors, the whole deal. |
| 18:25.23 | simonrvn | oh, and sector 1 is fucked, so it's going to be a pain to fix up... luckily the important stuff is reproduced elsewhere |
| 18:25.42 | simonrvn | that "nice" was for dclarke btw |
| 18:33.43 | dclarke | hello |
| 18:33.57 | dclarke | sorry .. I was working most of the night to get this install to proceed |
| 18:34.00 | dclarke | need coffee now |
| 18:34.24 | simonrvn | s'ok :). good work :) |
| 18:34.39 | dclarke | of course .. it doesn't work yet |
| 18:34.50 | dclarke | I have no kernel .. I have to netboot still |
| 18:35.27 | dclarke | when I tried to boot ... I had no network and no way to login |
| 18:35.31 | dclarke | so .. I'm working on that |
| 18:36.14 | simonrvn | ouch. you have a decent firmware there, so it should be relatively simple to get to netboot |
| 18:36.34 | dclarke | yeah .. it netboots fine |
| 18:37.16 | dclarke | the boot command options I used ( incantation and one dead cat facing east ) was "boot eth:192.168.35.100,kernel_file,192.168.35.8,192.168.35.1 kernel_filename -b single root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8" resulted in "INIT: version 2.86 booting\nGive root password for maintenance\n(or type Control-D to continue):" |
| 18:38.03 | simonrvn | certainly promising |
| 18:39.54 | dclarke | thus far : http://rafb.net/p/HuVrN155.html |
| 18:40.22 | dclarke | I just plugged in a USB key with the required kernel modules on it .. and now I can't figure out how to mount it |
| 18:42.02 | simonrvn | hm, so kernel issue |
| 18:42.25 | simonrvn | check lsmod if you have it |
| 18:42.47 | dclarke | if that were a ext2 fs then I think I could mount it |
| 18:43.00 | dclarke | (none):~# lsmod |
| 18:43.01 | dclarke | Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory |
| 18:43.15 | dclarke | I think this is progress |
| 18:43.28 | dclarke | (none):~# uname -a |
| 18:43.30 | dclarke | Linux (none) 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:43.56 | dclarke | not too sure how to proceed .. I may go and buy a USB attached CDROM/DVD and then I can boot the DVD based installer and perhaps start over |
| 18:45.09 | simonrvn | just have to mount /proc |
| 18:45.21 | simonrvn | mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 18:45.31 | dclarke | uuh .. things I do not know |
| 18:45.36 | dclarke | okay .. that helps |
| 18:45.38 | simonrvn | and /sys; mount -t sysfs none /sys |
| 18:45.44 | dclarke | I wonder what else I am missing here |
| 18:46.18 | simonrvn | then you can access kernel space stuff |
| 18:46.37 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/rbYdvn98.html |
| 18:46.41 | dclarke | that looks better |
| 18:47.00 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 18:47.46 | dclarke | furthermore http://rafb.net/p/JiY0Dn59.html |
| 18:49.30 | simonrvn | :). the bogomips, don't pay attention to that, it's totally off |
| 18:50.27 | dclarke | okay .. now I can mount the FAT fs on that thumbdrive .. maybe |
| 18:51.19 | dclarke | hrmmm http://rafb.net/p/MmFT4M59.html |
| 18:53.22 | dclarke | vfat it was |
| 18:53.24 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/LB3B7b30.html |
| 18:54.51 | dclarke | I'm sooo swimming in deep water .. far from shore here |
| 18:55.42 | dclarke | pardon me .. I'll be in #debian for a bit |
| 18:57.20 | dclarke | question .. after a lot of work I now have mounted /proc and did "mount -t sysfs none /sys" and I was able to mount a thumbdrive onto /mnt which has the kernel modules I need ... but .. where do I put them ? also .. furthermore : http://rafb.net/p/JiY0Dn59.html |
| 18:58.01 | simonrvn | dclarke: they go in /lib/modules |
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| 18:58.34 | dclarke | simonrvn: thank you .. I'll try gzip -dc | tar -xvf - sort of thing |
| 18:59.26 | dclarke | tar: lib: Cannot mkdir: Read-only file system |
| 18:59.28 | simonrvn | below that, it'll be /lib/modules/$(uname -r) so in |
| 18:59.30 | dclarke | damn |
| 18:59.41 | dclarke | I'm in single user mode ... |
| 18:59.43 | simonrvn | remount rw; mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:59.51 | dclarke | with an option -b which does .. something unknown to me |
| 18:59.54 | asn | Hello. My ibook g4 goes to a suspend-like mode after 15~ seconds of inactivity. Some messages appear on the screen before it suspends and when I press a key or something to unsuspend it they go off really fast (The only message I managed to read is "eth0 suspending" and some stuff regarding the wireless driver) |
| 19:00.15 | dclarke | okay .. soooo incant the magic words "tar: lib: Cannot mkdir: Read-only file system" ? |
| 19:00.28 | dclarke | okay .. soooo incant the magic words "remount rw; mount -o remount,rw /" ? |
| 19:00.34 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:00.41 | simonrvn | er no |
| 19:00.49 | simonrvn | just the mount ... part |
| 19:01.14 | dclarke | for the sake of clarification .. once upon a time I was considered intelligent until I ran headlong into a net install of a ppc box with no video and little else actually .. very humbling |
| 19:02.05 | simonrvn | intelligence != knowledge ;) |
| 19:02.51 | simonrvn | asn: ask in one channel at a time, thanks |
| 19:02.52 | dclarke | ask me anything about fibre reinforced single crystalline metals and I'll tak your ear off .. but at the moment .. Im swimming far from shore .. but still swimming |
| 19:03.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:03.15 | dclarke | I'll stick here in the ppc world .. I like it here |
| 19:03.25 | dclarke | very .. tranquil and quiet .. pleasant actually |
| 19:04.01 | asn | simonrvn: You are right, but I thought that it would be acceptable since the channel is in a different server and there would be other people there. Anyway, sorry. |
| 19:04.03 | dclarke | oh no |
| 19:04.10 | dclarke | oops |
| 19:04.18 | simonrvn | asn: unfortunately i can't help much, except maybe look at your system logs and see if anything shows up, and check pbbuttonsd or whatever daemon is handling suspend |
| 19:04.24 | dclarke | the tar file included the absolute path /lib/modules in it |
| 19:04.28 | dclarke | I hate when people do that |
| 19:04.38 | simonrvn | asn: not a big deal, just a small one ;p |
| 19:04.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:05.04 | simonrvn | dclarke: hmm, that could be useful, but not always |
| 19:05.04 | asn | simonrvn: pbbutons, aw yeah I installed that one, with a ready-made config file from the internets |
| 19:05.08 | asn | that must be it |
| 19:06.12 | dclarke | woo hoo http://rafb.net/p/KRtu4M86.html |
| 19:06.22 | dclarke | I have so little idea what that did for me .. but there it is |
| 19:07.21 | dclarke | oooh .. maybe I can get a network interface going now |
| 19:07.32 | simonrvn | nice |
| 19:07.41 | simonrvn | very likely ;) |
| 19:07.43 | dclarke | by the way .. I also have the sources to the kernel .. what do I do with ... |
| 19:07.50 | dclarke | (none):/# file /mnt/linux-2.6.19-rc6_config |
| 19:07.51 | dclarke | /mnt/linux-2.6.19-rc6_config: ASCII English text |
| 19:08.09 | dclarke | I may need that later |
| 19:08.09 | simonrvn | keep it around somewhere safe :) |
| 19:08.15 | dclarke | on the thumbdrive |
| 19:08.27 | dclarke | okay .. let's see what happens if I utter ifconfig -a |
| 19:08.50 | dclarke | oh boy .. we have network interfaces ... |
| 19:09.12 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 19:09.15 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/8OCSXd47.html |
| 19:09.41 | simonrvn | now you just need to set it up |
| 19:09.54 | dclarke | I really need to post a picture of this system .. you would laugh and laugh to see it |
| 19:17.55 | asn | would it be "ubuntuish" to ask for a ready-made .config for the kernel? :P |
| 19:19.10 | simonrvn | you can get one from the debian kernels. just install one, then modify it -- it'll be built with initrd booting |
| 19:19.47 | simonrvn | so disable that, or make sure you do --initrd with make-kpkg |
| 19:21.12 | dclarke | simonrvn: such that you can "see" the device that this is running on and took all night to install too : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_003_m.jpg |
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| 19:22.13 | dclarke | I need to put an object in there for scale .. but it is real real small : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_001_m.jpg |
| 19:24.01 | dclarke | now then .. back to the fun .. is there a config file somewhere that I place the static ip config into ? in /etc/config/net or somesuch ? |
| 19:24.40 | simonrvn | teeny =) |
| 19:24.55 | simonrvn | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:25.07 | simonrvn | man 5 interfaces describes it |
| 19:25.21 | dclarke | bash: cd: /etc/network/interfaces: Not a directory |
| 19:25.25 | dclarke | oh .. that is a file |
| 19:25.27 | dclarke | duh |
| 19:25.57 | dclarke | that file looks good |
| 19:26.20 | dclarke | okay .. I need to think in terms of first principles .. now .. once the machine boots and does its Firmware POST |
| 19:26.40 | dclarke | then it executes the boot command in the firmware boot variable if auto-boot? boolean is set to true |
| 19:26.52 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:26.59 | dclarke | that needs t obe ... boot /dev/hda1 foo |
| 19:27.06 | simonrvn | if false, it'll pause in of |
| 19:27.07 | dclarke | no no .. /dev/sda1 |
| 19:27.16 | dclarke | er .. no .. one sec |
| 19:27.37 | simonrvn | you need the of device path |
| 19:27.38 | dclarke | I think I need stuff in /boot |
| 19:27.46 | dclarke | right ... |
| 19:27.52 | dclarke | but I have a devalias in place for it |
| 19:28.03 | simonrvn | you can use those yup |
| 19:28.38 | simonrvn | /proc/device-tree can tell you stuff about OF |
| 19:29.09 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/CHywv874.html |
| 19:29.20 | simonrvn | ...and you can set OF vars with nvsetenv |
| 19:30.03 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/jPSS5D70.html |
| 19:30.03 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:30.32 | dclarke | what I think I need .. is that there is GRUB type stuff in /boot |
| 19:30.48 | dclarke | or at least ... a kernel and ... things |
| 19:31.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:31.39 | simonrvn | debian stick in the relevant System.map, config, and vmlinu? there, plus any needed initrds |
| 19:31.43 | simonrvn | sticks* |
| 19:32.11 | simonrvn | (the only "debian" thing that's done there is putting the config there) |
| 19:32.13 | dclarke | well ... under normal circumstances .. debian would |
| 19:32.24 | dclarke | my /boot is totally empty |
| 19:32.35 | asn | simonrvn: I'm afraid of enabling/disaling a kernel option that will force me change my fstab or yaboot.conf (like the kernel option that changes hda to hdc, or the new libata) |
| 19:32.40 | simonrvn | yup ;). so go ahead and put your stuffs there |
| 19:32.41 | asn | dclarke: mount it |
| 19:32.50 | dclarke | oh .. it isn't mounted |
| 19:32.52 | dclarke | duh |
| 19:33.05 | simonrvn | did you create a /boot? i thought you didn't |
| 19:33.09 | dclarke | it has been a long long night |
| 19:33.13 | dclarke | right ! |
| 19:33.17 | dclarke | I never created one |
| 19:33.22 | dclarke | we discussed that |
| 19:33.28 | dclarke | and I went with an 8GB / |
| 19:33.32 | dclarke | and 4GB /var |
| 19:33.34 | simonrvn | maybe you should get some sleep ;) |
| 19:33.38 | dclarke | and 512MB swap |
| 19:34.13 | dclarke | I have coffee ... all the computer people tell me it is a perfect replacement and there is extensive experimental data, again by the IT folks, that says it works |
| 19:34.24 | simonrvn | that box is barely bigger than the HDD |
| 19:34.32 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 19:34.36 | dclarke | that is a laptop HD |
| 19:34.47 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 19:34.48 | dclarke | 2.5" across |
| 19:34.50 | dclarke | yeah |
| 19:34.56 | dclarke | the whole unit fits in my hand |
| 19:35.22 | dclarke | like I said ... if I put a quarter in that picture you would see scale |
| 19:35.43 | dclarke | or better yet .. a 6" ruler |
| 19:36.14 | simonrvn | those books are ok :). they're what, 10-15 cm tall? |
| 19:38.07 | dclarke | at most |
| 19:38.27 | simonrvn | (4-6") |
| 19:41.06 | simonrvn | well my drive stopped ticking now... was getting to be a PITA |
| 19:41.24 | simonrvn | ..as if i needed a reminder of it being dead |
| 19:50.14 | dclarke | simonrvn: took me a while to get the lighting correct .. but here is a better pic : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_004_m.jpg |
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| 19:51.37 | simonrvn | neat :) |
| 19:52.33 | dclarke | it is isn't it ? |
| 19:52.58 | dclarke | if I were to fab up some units with 2GB of memory and a faster proc they would be very usable |
| 19:53.24 | simonrvn | as a workstation or otherwise |
| 19:53.32 | dclarke | otherwise |
| 19:53.44 | dclarke | probably useless as a workstation |
| 19:53.52 | dclarke | it was designed to be extremely low power |
| 19:54.05 | dclarke | to run off one solar panel on the top of a moving vehicle if needed |
| 19:54.16 | dclarke | or off a car battery for five days |
| 19:54.28 | dclarke | wit ha sdram option it has no moving parts |
| 19:54.41 | dclarke | and wit han 18 gauge steel case .. it is touch as hell |
| 19:54.53 | dclarke | virtually zero heat out of it |
| 19:55.06 | simonrvn | nice |
| 19:55.29 | dclarke | I am one of the project leaders in the effort ot port OpenSolaris to powerpc and that effort is going well |
| 19:55.35 | dclarke | I know that world .. not linux |
| 19:56.03 | dclarke | which is why I start at the /boot emply area and wonder .. gee .. what to put there now |
| 19:56.05 | dclarke | :-) |
| 19:56.08 | simonrvn | it's a very usable arch |
| 19:56.19 | dclarke | extremely stable |
| 19:56.26 | dclarke | oh .. I just thought of something |
| 19:56.35 | dclarke | I need to tell this machine to boot to console mode only |
| 19:56.41 | simonrvn | ok ;). put the System.map, the vmlinux and the initrd there and you're good |
| 19:56.44 | dclarke | and I think that init config controls that |
| 19:57.02 | dclarke | System.map is one thing I do not have |
| 19:57.04 | simonrvn | you won't have to bother with tha, debian handles it differently |
| 19:57.11 | simonrvn | that* |
| 19:57.24 | simonrvn | @nodm |
| 19:57.26 | dclarke | I hope to get this box to a bootable config with GCC and then build a new kernel |
| 19:57.28 | ravenbird | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:57.50 | simonrvn | (just the first sentence is relevant here) |
| 19:57.57 | dclarke | ravenbird : that was quite informative |
| 19:58.00 | ravenbird | dclarke: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:58.10 | dclarke | ravenbird : much smaller |
| 19:58.11 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, dclarke |
| 19:58.13 | simonrvn | @spell relevant |
| 19:58.17 | ravenbird | 'relevant' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:58.19 | dclarke | ravenbird : depends on your bread really |
| 19:58.57 | ravenbird | what kind of bread? |
| 19:59.51 | ravenbird | (yeh i'm making it talk ;) |
| 20:00.27 | simonrvn | only the last 2 messages though; rb is an infobot |
| 20:00.28 | dclarke | at this point I am searching for vmlinux |
| 20:00.34 | dclarke | and initrd |
| 20:00.54 | dclarke | simonrvn: it ( ravenbird ) confused the hell out of me |
| 20:01.16 | dclarke | simonrvn: so I will ignore that Edgar Allen Poe poetic thingy |
| 20:01.22 | simonrvn | it has a datastore in an rdbms |
| 20:01.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 20:01.49 | simonrvn | as much as you ca say mysql is a rdbms ;) |
| 20:01.58 | simonrvn | can |
| 20:02.11 | dclarke | I have found a file on the mobo manufacturers website .. it is called initrd.gz |
| 20:02.15 | dclarke | I think I need that |
| 20:02.29 | simonrvn | yeh, probably. did you need one to boot it? |
| 20:02.40 | dclarke | ping works .. I wonder if I can ftp that file in |
| 20:02.54 | dclarke | simonrvn: again I do not know if I *need* it too boot |
| 20:03.09 | simonrvn | oh for DNS, you'll need /etc/resolv.conf going if you haven't covered that yet |
| 20:03.14 | dclarke | I simply will get it because earlier you refered to files System.map vmlinux and initrd |
| 20:03.25 | dclarke | simonrvn: I can go direct to the ip |
| 20:03.57 | dclarke | 220 pluto FTP server (SunOS 5.8) ready. |
| 20:04.01 | dclarke | yep .. ftp works |
| 20:04.55 | simonrvn | the only crucial one is vmlinux; initrd is needed if it was built with one in mind |
| 20:06.42 | simonrvn | seems like you may not need one if you didn't specify one in your boot: args |
| 20:07.34 | dclarke | what is the purpose of the initrd file ? |
| 20:07.46 | dclarke | if this the same as UNIX init ? |
| 20:08.24 | dclarke | I think my machine just crashed |
| 20:08.34 | dclarke | console is non-responsive |
| 20:08.50 | dclarke | I perhaps tried to ftp in too much too soon while in single user mode .. dunno really |
| 20:09.24 | dclarke | I did manage to get a file vmlinuz-chrp_initrd |
| 20:09.37 | dclarke | that is probably an all in wonder kernel with everything I need to boot |
| 20:09.50 | dclarke | yeah .. console is dead now |
| 20:10.05 | dclarke | may as well yank the power .. let electrons settle in |
| 20:10.20 | dclarke | and then boot vmlinuz-chrp_initrd in /boot |
| 20:13.40 | simonrvn | the initrd takes care of loading modules into kernel memory for the rootfs, various FS drivers, and other needed things, then finally pivot_root()s to the real / |
| 20:14.12 | dclarke | seems reasonable |
| 20:14.16 | dclarke | I was panic here for a sec |
| 20:14.20 | dclarke | I removed power |
| 20:14.28 | simonrvn | you only need one in certain circumstances, netbooting a box, AFAICR it's optional, as long as everything is built-in the kernel |
| 20:14.30 | dclarke | then waited and when I put the power back in |
| 20:14.34 | dclarke | it sat there dead |
| 20:14.44 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 20:15.04 | dclarke | I had to use a knife to short out the two pins for PS Power Supply |
| 20:15.08 | dclarke | then it came right up |
| 20:15.20 | simonrvn | loose connection? |
| 20:15.38 | dclarke | no .. if a person yanks the power .. it will stay down |
| 20:15.50 | dclarke | the objective was that a person could yank power and run with it |
| 20:16.02 | dclarke | then to boot it .. you need t oactually push a power button |
| 20:16.19 | dclarke | that stop the possibility of a power loss resulting in bounceing boot |
| 20:16.20 | simonrvn | i see |
| 20:16.38 | dclarke | meaning .. dirty power or grey power will not result in a machine booting over and over |
| 20:17.30 | simonrvn | yeh, i get it |
| 20:17.35 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:17.37 | dclarke | now .. I'll try to boot that |
| 20:17.48 | dclarke | I have a device path to the disk of /builtin@F0000000/ata@F0003A00/disk@0,0 |
| 20:18.07 | dclarke | the USB thumb drive is /builtin@F0000000/usb@F0001000/scsi@0/disk@0,0 |
| 20:18.22 | dclarke | the alias is hd for the ata drive .. |
| 20:19.03 | simonrvn | boot-device can be, for instance, the first one: /builtin/ata/disk@0:X (X being whatever partition it is) |
| 20:19.03 | dclarke | so .. I guess boot hd /boot/vmlinuz-chrp_initrd root=/dev/hda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 |
| 20:19.14 | simonrvn | that's ^^^ for OF |
| 20:19.19 | dclarke | oh .. boot hd1 in that case |
| 20:19.33 | simonrvn | just the number, no letters, so: |
| 20:19.41 | simonrvn | /builtin/ata/disk@0:1 |
| 20:20.06 | simonrvn | it'll look for a bootloader there to hand over control to |
| 20:20.30 | dclarke | well .. see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/bootit.txt |
| 20:20.33 | simonrvn | so since you don't have one yet, do it like you've been doing for now |
| 20:24.17 | dclarke | boot /builtin/ata/disk@0,0:0 /boot/linuz-chrp_initrd root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8 |
| 20:24.26 | dclarke | error: no filesystem recognized |
| 20:24.29 | dclarke | damn |
| 20:25.34 | simonrvn | is that boot-device? |
| 20:25.50 | dclarke | that is the ata disk |
| 20:25.55 | simonrvn | here: "boot-device /builtin/ata/disk@0:X" |
| 20:26.06 | dclarke | oh .. |
| 20:26.08 | dclarke | oops |
| 20:26.08 | mirak | hello |
| 20:26.10 | dclarke | one more try |
| 20:26.22 | simonrvn | it's *just* the device itself, no args |
| 20:26.27 | simonrvn | hi mirak |
| 20:26.49 | simonrvn | for the command, you'd do: |
| 20:27.20 | mirak | I need to prepare a hard drive with a system on my g4, but I need to do it from a x86 box. is there a way to install a preinstalled system by just untaring to the root partition ? |
| 20:27.26 | simonrvn | "boot /boot/linuz-chrp_initrd root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8" (not too sure of that /boot/... thing) |
| 20:27.54 | simonrvn | you can always insert that into boot-command, like : "setenv boot-command root=/dev/sda1 console=ttyPSC0,115200n8" |
| 20:27.59 | mirak | I have two root partitions, so I just need a kind of rescue system on one of the partition |
| 20:28.18 | simonrvn | mirak: debootstrap and use the arch option |
| 20:28.26 | dclarke | damn .. now I'm stuck |
| 20:28.42 | mirak | simonrvn: ah ok great, I forgot that way thanks |
| 20:28.46 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:29.42 | simonrvn | dclarke: what happened? |
| 20:29.43 | dclarke | I think that I am stuck with netboot still |
| 20:29.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:29.54 | dclarke | see bottom of http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/bootit.txt |
| 20:29.59 | dclarke | every thing I type fails |
| 20:30.19 | simonrvn | ok, so unset those ^^^ i gave you |
| 20:30.33 | dclarke | unset what ? |
| 20:30.34 | simonrvn | that ^^^ stuff is mostly for disk booting :/ |
| 20:30.45 | mirak | simonrvn: also I have partitioned all the drive for mac with a mac-fdisk I built from sources. I think it worked, but I am not sure for the bootstrap partitions. I just did a dd of the dead drive partition number two, so ybin and yaboot.conf is on the hfs file system of this partition. but I am not sure it will be enough for a boot |
| 20:30.47 | dclarke | oh .. I need to boot to that disk .. eventually |
| 20:30.59 | simonrvn | except maybe the boot-command, that'll avoid having type a lot |
| 20:31.51 | dclarke | I'll leave the machine with auto-boot? false until I see it working |
| 20:32.03 | dclarke | if I can boot it manually .. then I know that it can boot automagically |
| 20:32.06 | simonrvn | yehok |
| 20:32.12 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:33.08 | dclarke | mostly because I want to approach this slowly and piecewise and I am a total chicken |
| 20:33.18 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:33.36 | simonrvn | sometimes you have to do it nice and slow |
| 20:33.43 | dclarke | TFTP error 2: Access violation |
| 20:33.47 | dclarke | things just got worse |
| 20:33.53 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 20:34.03 | dclarke | that which worked .. just stopped |
| 20:34.32 | dclarke | probably a issue at the dhcpd and tftpd server .. I better look |
| 20:34.40 | simonrvn | yeh, that's my thought |
| 20:37.49 | simonrvn | i'm having fun, i gotta admit, probably almost as much as you are. learning a bunch about efikas |
| 20:37.57 | simonrvn | too |
| 20:38.16 | dclarke | well .. they are highly custom hardware |
| 20:38.23 | dclarke | and fun to play with |
| 20:39.03 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed, one of the regulars here, he wants one/has one, knows a bunch about them too |
| 20:39.12 | mirak | simonrvn: to use yaboot I just need to copy yaboot files into /dev/hda2 bootstrap partition or is it more complex ? |
| 20:40.00 | mirak | to have my drive bootable. I am still working from x86 ... i would run ybin otherwise |
| 20:40.02 | dclarke | simonrvn: strictly fyi .. you can see my name at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ppc-dev/leaders/ |
| 20:40.04 | simonrvn | yaboot, the conf, kernel. you don't touch the bootstrap partition manually. only let ybin do that |
| 20:40.42 | mirak | simonrvn: ok but from a x86 box I guess I can't run ybin |
| 20:40.49 | simonrvn | no ;) |
| 20:41.14 | simonrvn | you'll have to boot from another means and run ybin chrooted |
| 20:41.34 | simonrvn | oh shaddup you fugging borked HDD |
| 20:41.36 | mirak | I will see by myself anyway if just doing a dd of the crashed hard drive bootstrap parititon to the new one will work. I wanted to know if it was absurd. because in this case I will need to do a bootcd |
| 20:41.46 | simonrvn | no it isn't |
| 20:41.50 | simonrvn | absurd |
| 20:42.00 | mirak | ok |
| 20:42.16 | simonrvn | there's a few apps that use the same principle |
| 20:42.20 | mirak | I guess I could partially boot from the drive that have bad blocks |
| 20:42.26 | simonrvn | ddrescue, and another |
| 20:42.51 | mirak | simonrvn: I recovered data with ddrescue on this drive, so I have a full image of it |
| 20:42.59 | simonrvn | cool |
| 20:43.05 | mirak | by the way I discovered a great tool called kpartx |
| 20:43.30 | simonrvn | dclarke: :D. right at the top too :P |
| 20:43.45 | dclarke | I started the project back in 2005 |
| 20:43.47 | mirak | you do kpartx harddrive-image.img and it will create partitions devices in /dev/mapper/loop1pX |
| 20:44.07 | simonrvn | dclarke: cool. nice to know people out there are still thinking about ppc |
| 20:44.07 | mirak | that way easier than using losetup with an offset |
| 20:44.20 | simonrvn | oh nice |
| 20:44.33 | mirak | it's in the multipath package |
| 20:44.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:44.41 | dclarke | simonrvn: as you may know .. IBM is now a Solaris OEM vendor and they are working in the project towards a Power6 boot |
| 20:45.13 | simonrvn | heh, power6, yet another sub-arch i couldn't possibly afford ;P |
| 20:45.22 | pahartik | dclarke: That is good |
| 20:45.36 | simonrvn | joking aside, it is goof |
| 20:45.39 | simonrvn | good* |
| 20:46.17 | dclarke | simonrvn: well .. every now and again .. I screw up and then find out that coffee does not replace sleep after all .. you know that TFTP error ? well .. it was a spelling error in the name of the file requested |
| 20:46.26 | mirak | by the way I am wondering if reiserfs isn't damaging harddrives I suspect it to put a lot of strain on the drives bloks where the journal is stored. is it possible ? |
| 20:46.34 | simonrvn | dclarke: hehehe |
| 20:46.50 | simonrvn | mirak: reiser is something to be avoided |
| 20:47.14 | mirak | simonrvn: what are the arguments ? |
| 20:47.46 | mirak | I put large partitions in xfs, and system partitions in reiserfs most of the time |
| 20:47.47 | simonrvn | oh it's fast, but also fast to destroy data, it does very little to protect data integrity |
| 20:47.51 | pahartik | dclarke: As it seems that Sun Microsystems is moving to wintel architecture, at least IBM is looking at Solaris |
| 20:48.04 | dclarke | Sun is heavy Sparc still |
| 20:48.14 | mirak | simonrvn: wich one do you use or recommand ? |
| 20:48.25 | simonrvn | i use ext3 or jfs |
| 20:48.35 | mirak | I never tried jfs |
| 20:48.57 | dclarke | simonrvn: see https://hpc.sun.com/node/63 |
| 20:48.57 | simonrvn | i don't recommend a jfs /, other than that it's ok |
| 20:49.41 | dclarke | simonrvn: see the monster Niagara II chip at http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/Niagara_T2_die_s.jpg |
| 20:49.48 | pahartik | dclarke: Does Sun Microsystems still offer UltraSPARC workstations? |
| 20:50.01 | simonrvn | dclarke: holy smokes |
| 20:50.04 | dclarke | simonrvn: that thing can do in chip crypto at 10 gigabit speeds without dropping a packet |
| 20:50.24 | dclarke | pahartik: yeah .. if you have the money |
| 20:50.49 | simonrvn | sick die :) |
| 20:51.09 | dclarke | pahartik: http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra45/ |
| 20:51.10 | simonrvn | i actually did O_O (big eyed) |
| 20:51.35 | dclarke | I better get back to seeing this damn little ppc box actually boot from the harddisk |
| 20:51.45 | dclarke | maybe I should have gone with a BSD style partition table |
| 20:51.55 | dclarke | the machine can not see a fs on that internal disk |
| 20:52.09 | simonrvn | mirak: i'm moving back to ext3 for the most part. it's very modern. ext4 seems promising too, but still "in development" i think |
| 20:52.24 | pahartik | dclarke: Thank you |
| 20:52.41 | simonrvn | dclarke: that could be a hindrance. and thanks for the links |
| 20:52.46 | dclarke | really .. no one putts Sparc on their desk anymore |
| 20:52.53 | dclarke | unless your me |
| 20:52.58 | dclarke | I have .. six or seven here |
| 20:53.01 | mirak | I am using xfs on this mac because I use it as a pvr box with dvb cards, with large mpeg2 files, I read it was faster at removing them |
| 20:53.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:53.22 | simonrvn | mirak: yeh it is good with large files |
| 20:53.54 | simonrvn | very fast. though it doesn't take to having the power cut very nicely |
| 20:53.56 | dclarke | damn .. kernel loaded and then did nothing |
| 20:54.59 | simonrvn | ok, i gotta go get some food for the house. bbiab |
| 20:56.14 | dclarke | I'll be here |
| 20:59.01 | mirak | simonrvn: mmm what is the most efficient file system for this ? |
| 20:59.14 | mirak | ok he is gone |
| 20:59.20 | dclarke | yeah |
| 20:59.26 | dclarke | what was it you are trying to do ? |
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| 21:13.34 | pahartik | dclarke: 2354 EUR would not be too bad for high-end workstation... |
| 21:13.44 | dclarke | I guess |
| 21:13.49 | dclarke | if it were high end |
| 21:13.54 | dclarke | but look at the memory |
| 21:14.07 | dclarke | a high end workstation needs dual procs and 8GB RMA minimum |
| 21:14.12 | dclarke | so .. price that up |
| 21:15.44 | simonrvn | re |
| 21:17.04 | pahartik | dclarke: 1 GiB of RAM and single CPU would be enough to begin with |
| 21:17.18 | dclarke | clearly you never worked with Solaris |
| 21:17.34 | dclarke | :-) |
| 21:18.50 | pahartik | dclarke: I would probably run Linux on it... But would try Solaris as well to see what it is like nowadays |
| 21:19.03 | dclarke | its pretty slick .. but needs RAM |
| 21:19.06 | dclarke | lots of it |
| 21:19.17 | dclarke | ZFS uses the main memory to provide file cache |
| 21:20.05 | dclarke | my machine here on my desk has 4GB RAM and I call that light |
| 21:21.52 | pahartik | dclarke: My laptop and desktop PowerPC workstations have 512 MiB of RAM and it seems mostly enough |
| 21:22.14 | dclarke | with Linux probably |
| 21:22.37 | pahartik | dclarke: Yes... |
| 21:23.08 | dclarke | well .. Solaris is a different world these days .. its i a freight train and typically runs on big computers |
| 21:23.22 | dclarke | with memory getting so cheap you can do some amazing stuff with it on a deskto p |
| 21:23.57 | dclarke | simonrvn: after a lot of thinking .. I think I need grub in order to go forwards |
| 21:24.34 | simonrvn | yeh, i think so |
| 21:25.32 | dclarke | I have a build of grub-1.92 that may do the trick |
| 21:27.57 | dclarke | oh heck .. |
| 21:28.22 | dclarke | I'll just see if I can this box up to multiuser mode and then use aptitude to fetch the developers tools and then build grub |
| 21:28.42 | dclarke | but of course .. when I try that .. the machien hangs at "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." |
| 21:29.25 | simonrvn | :| |
| 21:29.43 | dclarke | or it may be busy doing something |
| 21:29.47 | dclarke | tough to say |
| 21:29.56 | dclarke | but it sure looks unresponsive |
| 21:30.00 | simonrvn | sshouldn'tt take very loong to start cron |
| 21:30.01 | dclarke | I can ping it |
| 21:30.08 | dclarke | not five minutes ? |
| 21:30.10 | dclarke | :-\ |
| 21:30.37 | simonrvn | few moments ordinarily, unless it is doing soemthing in the background |
| 21:31.03 | dclarke | in that case .. this little box is hung |
| 21:31.04 | dclarke | again |
| 21:31.11 | dclarke | at crond of all things |
| 21:31.43 | dclarke | not knowing debian very well .. can I use dpkg and apt-get in single user mode ?? |
| 21:32.02 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: eh? |
| 21:32.19 | simonrvn | dclarke: sure can. |
| 21:32.47 | dclarke | well hell .. I better pull the power agin and then boot to single user mode .. again |
| 21:32.55 | dclarke | and get GCC and then just build my own kernel |
| 21:33.03 | simonrvn | Bor_Ed: talking about efika |
| 21:33.53 | Bor_Ed | ahh... still trying to get one at sane price... thought he mcu it uses has been upgraded and trying to get the newer thingy |
| 21:34.21 | simonrvn | mm |
| 21:35.13 | Bor_Ed | efika board has the mpc5200b but the family of 5200 has newer member too, with some more recent goodies, like usb 2.0 iirc |
| 21:35.37 | simonrvn | oh nice |
| 21:36.25 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:36.42 | dclarke | think of something that has a 1GHz PPC SoC on it, with 4GB RAM and twin 64GB sdram options. all less than the size of a pack of cigs and uses less power than a flashlight |
| 21:38.00 | mirak | simonrvn: the debootstrap fail at some point when it tries to chroot |
| 21:38.17 | Bor_Ed | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8641D&srch=1 at price of <200 eur/board, I'd buy instantly regardless of the footprint |
| 21:39.37 | dclarke | that thing rocks : http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/product_freescale/MPC8641D_IMAGE.jpg |
| 21:39.41 | simonrvn | mirak: chroot? it doesn't chroot i don't think |
| 21:40.04 | mirak | wcstok: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/mac-250g/5 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 21:40.19 | Bor_Ed | dclarke: I know... too bad there aren't that many affordable boards built around the chip |
| 21:40.21 | simonrvn | hm ok, it didn't used to |
| 21:40.26 | simonrvn | that's stupid |
| 21:40.48 | dclarke | Bor_Ed : if I had a spare billion $ kicking around .. |
| 21:41.17 | simonrvn | spare 500$ would be cool too ;p |
| 21:41.30 | dclarke | dammit |
| 21:41.33 | Bor_Ed | dclarke: cheapest boards start at ~$3500 currently... and the board schemas etc are available at power.org dev forum too |
| 21:41.58 | dclarke | 10 minutes later .. machine is still hung at crond |
| 21:42.02 | dclarke | time to hit reset |
| 21:42.22 | simonrvn | ok, so rm the synlink in /etc/rc2.d |
| 21:42.25 | simonrvn | sym |
| 21:43.14 | Bor_Ed | back to watch telly here |
| 21:44.07 | dclarke | well .. now I need to figure out how to setup apt-get |
| 21:44.15 | dclarke | maybe aptitude or whatever it is called |
| 21:44.52 | simonrvn | aptitude is more, um, apt |
| 21:44.55 | dclarke | I just figured out .. that ssh may not even be installed |
| 21:45.05 | simonrvn | it isn't by default |
| 21:45.18 | simonrvn | openssh-server and -client |
| 21:45.34 | dclarke | in that case .. the machine is probably booting fine .. losing the console .. trying graphics or some such and then I can no longer login or work with it |
| 21:45.38 | dclarke | that is my guess |
| 21:46.04 | simonrvn | here's a couple of deb line for /etc/apt/sources.list ; oh, yeh, quite possible |
| 21:47.27 | simonrvn | deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free\ndeb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free\n\ndeb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free\ndeb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free\n\ndeb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free\ndeb-src http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:47.32 | dclarke | sure enough ... http://rafb.net/p/ct4H9b84.html |
| 21:47.36 | simonrvn | XX is the countrycode |
| 21:47.50 | simonrvn | like ca or at or nl or whatever |
| 21:47.56 | dclarke | I have deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:48.05 | dclarke | and deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:48.11 | simonrvn | you'll the security lines too |
| 21:48.17 | simonrvn | need the* |
| 21:48.26 | dclarke | got them .. |
| 21:48.30 | simonrvn | good |
| 21:48.33 | dclarke | don't know what they are .. but I have them |
| 21:48.38 | dclarke | thus deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 21:48.39 | simonrvn | all you really need |
| 21:48.45 | dclarke | and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 21:48.55 | dclarke | well now I need to figure out how to install ssh |
| 21:48.56 | simonrvn | @security |
| 21:49.05 | simonrvn | @+security |
| 21:49.06 | ravenbird | rumour has it, security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-f |
| 21:49.10 | dclarke | aptitude install ssh-client |
| 21:49.19 | simonrvn | oh crap... lemme fix that.. |
| 21:49.26 | simonrvn | openssh-client |
| 21:49.51 | dclarke | well ... |
| 21:49.55 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/ct4H9b84.html says I have that |
| 21:51.17 | simonrvn | that's ok. you'll need -server too if you want that |
| 21:51.50 | dclarke | yeah .. if I don't have that .. I can not ssh in |
| 21:52.02 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:52.31 | dclarke | there is no ssh-server package |
| 21:52.36 | dclarke | or openssh-server |
| 21:54.02 | simonrvn | i know there is one |
| 21:54.04 | simonrvn | @info openssh-server etch |
| 21:54.40 | ravenbird | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 612 kB |
| 21:54.57 | dclarke | funny dpkg does not list it |
| 21:55.26 | simonrvn | update again (aptitude update) |
| 21:55.47 | dclarke | oh |
| 21:55.52 | dclarke | I never even did that once |
| 21:56.09 | dclarke | by the way .. I now have build-essential installed and I have a ppc gcc .. yippee |
| 21:56.19 | simonrvn | weee :) |
| 21:56.21 | dclarke | see bottom of http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/bootit.txt |
| 21:56.38 | dclarke | still can not boot .. but so long as I have aptitude working and gcc we can rebuild the universe |
| 21:56.48 | dclarke | \o/ |
| 21:57.10 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:57.32 | dclarke | by the way .. that link is a live link .. I update it continually |
| 21:57.43 | simonrvn | i noticed =) |
| 21:58.17 | simonrvn | looks like you're up to date already |
| 21:58.18 | dclarke | no openssh-server pkg |
| 21:58.50 | simonrvn | how odd |
| 21:59.01 | dclarke | maybe it is in ssh for ppc ? |
| 21:59.51 | simonrvn | no, they're all the same for each arch, there's only little things like bootloaders and other things that aren't cross-arch |
| 21:59.56 | dclarke | also .. while I am thinking outloud .. I wonder if I can upgrade my kernel or build a new one and then boot this thing from the disk drive |
| 22:00.00 | simonrvn | ssh would just be a meta-package |
| 22:00.06 | dclarke | or install grub ... I should look for a grub package |
| 22:00.15 | simonrvn | grub2 |
| 22:00.30 | simonrvn | i tried building lenny's, it wouldn't build with etch toolchain |
| 22:00.33 | dclarke | vesta:~# aptitude install ssh |
| 22:00.46 | dclarke | that did something |
| 22:01.19 | simonrvn | er, make that sid's grub2 |
| 22:01.40 | dclarke | vesta:~# dpkg -l '*grub*' |
| 22:01.41 | dclarke | No packages found matching *grub*. |
| 22:01.49 | dclarke | am I doing something wrong there ? |
| 22:01.53 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:01.59 | dclarke | apt-cache maybe is what I need to use ? |
| 22:02.28 | simonrvn | no, you're doing that ok. it's the database that's not up to date |
| 22:02.38 | dclarke | the database ? |
| 22:02.39 | simonrvn | something off about it |
| 22:02.43 | dclarke | whose ? mine ? |
| 22:02.46 | simonrvn | p[ackage database |
| 22:02.48 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:02.55 | dclarke | can I update it ? |
| 22:03.20 | simonrvn | try updating from the ncurses interface |
| 22:03.35 | dclarke | I don't know how to do that |
| 22:03.36 | simonrvn | (press u once you've run `aptitude') |
| 22:03.52 | dclarke | whoa |
| 22:04.00 | dclarke | that is slick |
| 22:04.05 | simonrvn | hehe :) |
| 22:04.27 | dclarke | look at that thing go |
| 22:04.30 | dclarke | cool |
| 22:04.48 | simonrvn | you seeing a lot of yellow lines or they're green? |
| 22:05.01 | dclarke | lots of green and yellow |
| 22:05.13 | dclarke | now they are gone and back to just blue and .. |
| 22:05.29 | dclarke | I have no clue what this all does of course |
| 22:05.33 | simonrvn | ok, probably updating correctly then. etch's aptitude's command line is a bit borked |
| 22:06.01 | simonrvn | ok, now it's building various things, and eventually you'll see "building view ...%" at the bottom right |
| 22:06.02 | dclarke | so I can quit this and then try looking for grub again ? |
| 22:06.17 | dclarke | the whole building view thing came and went |
| 22:06.32 | simonrvn | / to do a search (a la less) |
| 22:06.52 | simonrvn | but updates it realtime ;) |
| 22:07.14 | dclarke | just fyi .. the line drawing chars are all wrong |
| 22:07.27 | dclarke | the TERM=linux does not mean much over serial console I think |
| 22:07.33 | simonrvn | likely just the locale |
| 22:07.49 | dclarke | TERM=vt100;export TERM |
| 22:08.01 | dclarke | and maybe I can set LC_ALL=C ?? |
| 22:08.18 | dclarke | nope .. the TERM=vt100 fixed it |
| 22:08.40 | dclarke | wow .. this is slick |
| 22:09.06 | simonrvn | debian sppoils you rotten ;) |
| 22:09.16 | simonrvn | arg i gotta fix my key repeat.. |
| 22:09.38 | dclarke | no grub package |
| 22:09.49 | simonrvn | no, only in x86, you'll need grub2 |
| 22:10.05 | dclarke | oh well .. found yaboot |
| 22:10.21 | dclarke | taboot looks good |
| 22:10.24 | dclarke | yaboot |
| 22:10.55 | simonrvn | as for grub2, i'd suggest getting upstream's, like i said, grub2 doesn't build with etch's toolchain |
| 22:11.36 | dclarke | I'll port GRUB2 myself |
| 22:11.46 | dclarke | I did it years ago for the OpenSolaris ppc project |
| 22:12.15 | dclarke | see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/grub/grub_1.91/day_02/img_1285.jpg |
| 22:12.17 | simonrvn | even better :) |
| 22:12.46 | dclarke | but I also used yaboot before : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/grub/grub_1.91/day_02/img_1287.jpg |
| 22:13.03 | simonrvn | oh sweet |
| 22:13.40 | dclarke | aptitude tells me yaboot is currently installed. |
| 22:13.45 | dclarke | and it is not in /boot |
| 22:13.53 | simonrvn | it is by default, even on old world macs |
| 22:14.06 | simonrvn | no conf is in /etc/ |
| 22:14.35 | dclarke | nope .. I have nothing in /etc for yaboot |
| 22:14.37 | simonrvn | do dpkg -L packagename ; that shows you what's in a package (has to be installed) |
| 22:14.49 | simonrvn | ok, probably didn't generate one |
| 22:15.46 | dclarke | hrmmm |
| 22:15.56 | dclarke | if I have lynx then I can read the html man pages |
| 22:18.33 | dclarke | I better review ybin(8) |
| 22:18.49 | dclarke | ybin - install the yaboot boot loader to a bootstrap partition. |
| 22:18.56 | dclarke | I don not have a bootstrap partition |
| 22:19.00 | dclarke | hrmmm |
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| 22:20.36 | dclarke | I have a crazy idea |
| 22:20.43 | asn | I don't have a /proc/acpi (not compiled into kernel ?) will I be able to see my battery's status? And if yes, with which command line tool? |
| 22:20.44 | simonrvn | uhoh :P |
| 22:20.58 | simonrvn | asn: acpi is x86 stuff |
| 22:21.05 | dclarke | I think I'd like to go buy a USB external DVD drive and then re-install this whole damn thing from the Debian install ISO |
| 22:21.05 | asn | Aw |
| 22:21.19 | simonrvn | dclarke: hehe |
| 22:21.28 | dclarke | this whole thing is looking ugly |
| 22:21.30 | asn | simonrvn: then. what is the ppc equivalent? |
| 22:21.33 | asn | "equivalent" |
| 22:23.56 | simonrvn | there's some apm emu thingy, and damn, forgot. i don't do much laptop stuff ;) |
| 22:27.29 | dclarke | I just had a staggeringly simple idea |
| 22:27.42 | dclarke | simonrvn: let me bounce an idea off you |
| 22:28.11 | simonrvn | shoot |
| 22:28.19 | dclarke | simonrvn: I have a 2GB USB thumbdisk here .. if I drop the debian installer iso on there .. can I reinstall entirely from the usb thumbdrive ? |
| 22:29.03 | simonrvn | there's a section of the install guide to install from usb key |
| 22:29.44 | simonrvn | @ig |
| 22:29.45 | ravenbird | Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 22:29.58 | dclarke | okay .. I should go find this "install guiid" that you speak of .. sounds crazy .. but it may help |
| 22:30.01 | dclarke | :-) |
| 22:31.08 | dclarke | cool : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s02.html.en#id2531524 |
| 22:37.37 | dclarke | I am sooo confused |
| 22:38.16 | dclarke | wth is an install CD image ? I look here and see bafflegab : http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/ |
| 22:38.58 | simonrvn | the image is the iso |
| 22:39.08 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 22:39.11 | dclarke | http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/ |
| 22:39.22 | dclarke | I'm looking there . There are four options |
| 22:40.11 | dclarke | ahhhh http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 22:40.50 | dclarke | is it safe to think that http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-40r3-powerpc-CD-1.iso is bootable ? |
| 22:41.06 | dclarke | also .. I have to wonder what filesystems the OpenFirmware can read |
| 22:41.13 | dclarke | it seems ext3 is not a good one |
| 22:41.19 | dclarke | maybe ext2 will work |
| 22:41.51 | simonrvn | yes it's bootable, net install one is smaller, though more network intensive |
| 22:42.19 | dclarke | well .. I figure that if I have a 2GB USB thumbdrive I may as well use it |
| 22:42.21 | simonrvn | of can read msdos, udf, iso9660, and hfs IIRC |
| 22:42.25 | dclarke | it will be faster than network |
| 22:42.35 | dclarke | okay .. msdos |
| 22:42.37 | simonrvn | depends on the version too |
| 22:44.17 | dclarke | see bottom of http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/bootit.txt |
| 22:46.02 | dclarke | well cool .. I have wget |
| 22:46.11 | dclarke | okay .. I guess I can wget that iso image |
| 22:46.24 | dclarke | makes me wonder if it will need more than one iso image |
| 22:46.50 | simonrvn | no, cd 1 is plenty |
| 22:47.42 | dclarke | hrmmm . but |
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| 22:47.46 | dclarke | which one ? |
| 22:47.49 | dclarke | debian-update-4.0r3-powerpc-CD-1.iso ?? |
| 22:48.04 | dclarke | or just debian-40r3-powerpc-CD-1.iso |
| 22:48.07 | Deformative | Uh, I am having big issues with java. |
| 22:48.16 | dclarke | Deformative: get in line |
| 22:48.25 | simonrvn | second one |
| 22:48.25 | dclarke | Deformative: the world is ahead of you :-\ |
| 22:48.45 | Deformative | On debian ppc vs everything else. |
| 22:48.57 | Deformative | Oh, because javac is actually jikes |
| 22:48.58 | Deformative | Wtf. |
| 22:48.59 | Deformative | Why? |
| 22:49.03 | simonrvn | s,debian,, |
| 22:49.06 | dclarke | simonrvn: cool .. looks like a two hour download :-\ |
| 22:49.32 | simonrvn | dclarke: which is why i suggested the netinst, it's like 150-ish MB |
| 22:49.33 | dclarke | simonrvn: thanks man .. I'm gonna get something to eat while that downloads |
| 22:49.41 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 22:49.50 | dclarke | simonrvn: the netinst will give me the same features ? |
| 22:50.00 | Deformative | Why is javac replaced by jikes? |
| 22:50.10 | simonrvn | it's more minimal, but also bootable |
| 22:50.27 | simonrvn | afk, brb |
| 22:50.29 | Deformative | But it doesn't even have arraylist implemented. |
| 22:50.58 | dclarke | Deformative: I believe that you cna get a decent JDK from IBM for ppc |
| 22:51.11 | Deformative | But jdk is open now. |
| 22:51.16 | Deformative | Shouldn't we just be able to compile it? |
| 22:51.16 | dclarke | yes |
| 22:51.19 | dclarke | yes |
| 22:51.28 | dclarke | that does not mean that you can |
| 22:51.39 | Deformative | So why doesn't debian put it in the repository? |
| 22:51.40 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 22:51.44 | dclarke | you may need to compile it on Solaris with the Sun Studio compilers |
| 22:51.50 | Deformative | Should be able, but not able to. |
| 22:51.56 | dclarke | open does not imply portable |
| 22:52.07 | Deformative | Sucks. |
| 22:52.15 | dclarke | pardon me .. I have to step away |
| 22:52.21 | dclarke | and yes .. it sucks |
| 22:52.45 | simonrvn | open does not imply DFSG compliant either |
| 22:52.59 | simonrvn | get ibm's jdk for pSeries |
| 22:53.17 | simonrvn | that'll run on powermac and other similar sub-arches |
| 22:53.24 | Deformative | Java always claims to be so portable. |
| 22:53.25 | Deformative | Sigh. |
| 22:53.44 | simonrvn | M$hit windows also claims to be good ;) |
| 22:53.53 | Deformative | Imma try icepick. |
| 22:55.24 | Deformative | Hmm, i need to stop dual-DEing. |
| 22:55.28 | Deformative | KDE + Gnome is so slow. |
| 22:55.40 | Deformative | But gnome is the only way I could get the screensaver to work, weirdly, |
| 22:55.48 | Deformative | And I kinda like gnome-panel. |
| 22:56.05 | simonrvn | i run xscreensaver from my ~/.xsession |
| 22:56.33 | Deformative | I thinK i tried that. |
| 22:56.36 | Deformative | I cannot remember. |
| 22:58.09 | Deformative | Hmm, I have classes compiled on windows that will not work. |
| 22:58.16 | Deformative | They start then stall out. |
| 23:04.02 | Deformative | Works on mac os. |
| 23:04.04 | Deformative | Ugh. |
| 23:06.19 | Deformative | Haet. |
| 23:06.29 | Deformative | At least it works on mac I guess. |
| 23:07.20 | Deformative | Woot, the version compiled on mac works on the vm I have on linux. |
| 23:07.25 | Deformative | Works incorrectly though. |
| 23:07.26 | Deformative | :D |
| 23:07.57 | Deformative | Oh, works correctly, just very very slow. |
| 23:08.16 | Deformative | I just cannot compile on windows and run on mac. |
| 23:08.20 | Deformative | Erm |
| 23:08.25 | Deformative | Run on mac or linux for that matter. |
| 23:09.27 | Deformative | Linux is going by far the slowest. |
| 23:12.08 | simonrvn | and, what are you doing, exactly? |
| 23:13.20 | Deformative | Ray tracer. |
| 23:13.22 | Deformative | For school. |
| 23:20.59 | Deformative | Just got supersampling working. |
| 23:21.00 | Deformative | :) |
| 23:21.10 | Deformative | On to reflections. |
| 23:22.57 | simonrvn | :) |
| 23:47.01 | dclarke | re |
| 23:47.16 | dclarke | ok ls hd0 |
| 23:47.17 | dclarke | DOS partition 0: fat32/win95b (0xB) |
| 23:47.38 | dclarke | I have the debian net insta image on the usb stick .. tough thing is to .. boot it |
| 23:50.51 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/CRjIrh38.html |
| 23:57.13 | dclarke | it isn't doin much : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/reinst.txt |
