| 00:02.01 | dclarke | this .. ain't working |
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| 00:47.23 | simonrvn | seems you were having better luck netbooting it. i'd do that, then you can get it booting via disk once you're good. |
| 00:48.26 | dclarke | I started over |
| 00:48.46 | dclarke | this time I will make a separate /boot and make sure it is ext2 which the openfirmware can read |
| 00:48.54 | dclarke | this will take .. six hours or more |
| 00:49.55 | simonrvn | ow :( |
| 00:50.03 | simonrvn | afk |
| 00:50.28 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 01:28.42 | dclarke | install continues ... |
| 01:48.52 | dclarke | install finished .. reboot |
| 01:48.59 | dclarke | VFS: Cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(8,2) |
| 01:49.01 | dclarke | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 01:49.02 | dclarke | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2) |
| 02:20.11 | simonrvn | sounds like missing fs support maybe |
| 02:56.27 | dclarke | I solved the problem |
| 02:56.31 | dclarke | reinstalled again |
| 02:56.42 | dclarke | used msdos partition table and not bsd |
| 02:57.00 | dclarke | first partition must be ext2 such that the OpenFirmware can read it |
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| 03:06.05 | dclarke | damn .. how do I remount the root fs / as read-write ? |
| 03:06.12 | dclarke | mount -o rw / |
| 03:06.15 | dclarke | remount -o rw / |
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| 04:16.56 | simonrvn | dclarke: Winkie_ in #debian, look at his hostname and user name |
| 04:17.20 | dclarke | okay |
| 04:18.07 | dclarke | who is "Paul Robins" ?? |
| 04:18.11 | dclarke | never heard of him |
| 04:24.01 | dclarke | in any case .. things are going well now |
| 04:24.36 | dclarke | I will now set the boot-device and the boot vars in the firmware |
| 04:24.49 | dclarke | the need for an ext2 /boot was the tricky issue here |
| 04:26.12 | simonrvn | oh, did you need to set up that bootstrap partition? |
| 04:26.25 | dclarke | I did |
| 04:26.33 | dclarke | there I can place the kernel |
| 04:26.37 | simonrvn | cool |
| 04:26.43 | dclarke | and then boot hd:0 kernel_file etc etc |
| 04:27.17 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 04:27.20 | dclarke | my next issue is the serial console and the lack of sshd running |
| 04:27.50 | simonrvn | yeh, that's kinda odd |
| 04:28.13 | dclarke | well .. this whole process has been one of discovery .. and experimentation |
| 04:28.24 | dclarke | it is , after all, a kinda odd machine |
| 04:28.40 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 04:29.25 | dclarke | somehow I ended up with dhcp as my interface spec .. so I have to fix that |
| 04:29.41 | dclarke | and then .. I'll get to the sshd issue .. they are unrelated I know |
| 05:15.10 | dclarke | okay .. next bit of progress |
| 05:15.29 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 05:15.30 | dclarke | machine is up in full multiuser mode .. and I can login via ssh |
| 05:15.42 | dclarke | however .. there is no serial console |
| 05:15.47 | simonrvn | oh nice. disabled crond? |
| 05:15.56 | dclarke | I disable crond |
| 05:16.02 | dclarke | well .. not really disabled |
| 05:16.05 | simonrvn | probably gotta set up getty possibly |
| 05:16.16 | dclarke | I simple went into /etc/rcX.d and changed S89cron to s89cron |
| 05:16.27 | simonrvn | cool |
| 05:16.45 | dclarke | yep .. I'm thinking that it has no way to get to the serial port because getty does not use ttyPSC0 by default |
| 05:17.05 | dclarke | however .. I'm almost afraid to reboot :-\ |
| 05:17.16 | dclarke | dclarke@vesta:~$ uptime |
| 05:17.17 | simonrvn | yeh; might have to set it up specially, or use another getty-like app |
| 05:17.17 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.40 | simonrvn | well you don't have to reboot to mess with inittab ;) |
| 05:18.10 | dclarke | just kill -HUP initd ? |
| 05:18.23 | simonrvn | init q; init u |
| 05:18.27 | dclarke | oh .. I think .. I am not sure .. but I think I have to modify /etc/securetty |
| 05:22.46 | dclarke | okay .. I issue init q;init u and on the serial console I see |
| 05:22.52 | dclarke | INIT: version 2.86 reloading |
| 05:23.02 | dclarke | which means that something is working .. |
| 05:23.07 | dclarke | but no way can I login there |
| 05:41.41 | dclarke | done |
| 05:41.46 | dclarke | machine boots normally |
| 05:42.01 | dclarke | and I get a console on the serial port at 9600 n 8 1 |
| 05:42.03 | dclarke | works |
| 05:42.12 | dclarke | now to get in the dev tools and then get a new kernel in there |
| 05:45.33 | simonrvn | woot :) |
| 05:45.54 | simonrvn | like you said earlier, progress in steps (paraphrased) |
| 05:47.32 | dclarke | well ... I'm happy now |
| 05:47.38 | dclarke | it feels like a real system |
| 05:47.46 | dclarke | in the palm of one's hand of course |
| 05:48.07 | simonrvn | :D |
| 05:48.26 | simonrvn | looks like you made some friends in #d :P |
| 05:48.36 | dclarke | one of the first things I want to do is get a pure debian syetm in there |
| 05:48.54 | dclarke | simonrvn : some of those guys know me going back years and years .. but they forgot |
| 05:49.04 | simonrvn | i see |
| 05:49.13 | simonrvn | you went by another nick i guess? |
| 05:49.18 | dclarke | I started the blastwave project in 1997 and then went live with it as an open source service in 2002 |
| 05:49.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:49.58 | dclarke | you can find me here : http://www.gnu.org/people/people.html#d |
| 05:50.26 | dclarke | back when Sun was going to do Linux I got heavily involved in those projects and worked with Sun to get them onto x86 and AMD Opteron |
| 05:50.41 | dclarke | these days I do some work with and for Ian Murdock at Sun |
| 05:51.05 | dclarke | it has been a consistent strategy .. to deliver a Debian like software tree to commercial UNIX |
| 05:51.12 | dclarke | ta da .. thats the story |
| 05:52.42 | dclarke | I'm just not very strong with Linux .. I guess that shows |
| 05:55.25 | simonrvn | you catch on fast... i figure that once you know unix of some sort you can do all of them eventually, with some bumps in the road |
| 05:55.50 | simonrvn | when i played with netbsd a while back that's exactly what happened |
| 05:57.30 | dclarke | I worked with the Linux From Scratch project many years ago |
| 05:57.59 | dclarke | really .. with this cute little thing .. I should go do a LFS on it |
| 05:58.01 | dclarke | I figure all the devices are covered off |
| 05:58.09 | dclarke | may as well go pure Linux on this |
| 05:58.14 | dclarke | from the ground up |
| 05:58.30 | dclarke | of course .. then I lose the ability to use the debian package system |
| 05:58.36 | dclarke | that is the toughie |
| 05:59.07 | dclarke | ah well .. it would be a great experiment |
| 06:00.13 | simonrvn | find yourself another efika and do that one in lfs? |
| 06:00.28 | dclarke | I have a few of them |
| 06:00.37 | dclarke | but .. the laptop drives I do not have |
| 06:00.48 | simonrvn | aah too bad :/ |
| 06:02.10 | dclarke | gee .. I'm getting slow |
| 06:02.16 | dclarke | look at this : http://rafb.net/p/CV8Wdk21.html |
| 06:02.33 | dclarke | I can tar up the whole machine into that USB thumbdrive no problem |
| 06:02.41 | dclarke | that would be my backup |
| 06:03.02 | simonrvn | nice :) |
| 06:03.47 | simonrvn | meh, leafnode keeps spitting error emails at me |
| 06:04.01 | simonrvn | reading new newsgroups failed, reason "501 [yy]yymmdd hhmmss ["GMT"] [<distributions>]" |
| 06:04.08 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:09.15 | simonrvn | meh, i just mved the old one out and got a new list ;) |
| 06:38.02 | dclarke | vesta:/# dpkg -l '*ntp*' |
| 06:38.04 | dclarke | No packages found matching *ntp*. |
| 06:38.09 | dclarke | odd .. no ntp package |
| 06:41.18 | simonrvn | wth? |
| 06:41.22 | simonrvn | there is |
| 06:42.31 | simonrvn | ii ntp 4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2 ii ntpdate 4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2 |
| 06:43.43 | simonrvn | dclarke: check /var/lib/dpkg/available is it ok? how about /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 06:44.49 | dclarke | vesta:/# ls /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 06:44.51 | dclarke | alternatives cmethopt info parts status |
| 06:44.53 | dclarke | available diversions lock statoverride status-old |
| 06:44.55 | dclarke | available-old diversions-old methods statoverride-old updates |
| 06:45.34 | simonrvn | ok, try updating with dselect (same as aptitude). i wanna see what happens after |
| 06:47.24 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/NtpK9G69.html |
| 06:49.04 | simonrvn | how about in /var/cache/apt |
| 06:49.49 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/WC6tZu27.html |
| 06:50.00 | dclarke | look down near the bottom there |
| 06:50.33 | dclarke | oh gee |
| 06:50.40 | simonrvn | got it. *seems* ok. so why is it spitting out bogus responses |
| 06:50.46 | dclarke | suddenly dpkg -l '*ntp*' reports all manner of goodies |
| 06:50.55 | simonrvn | ha |
| 06:50.57 | dclarke | be damned if I know |
| 06:51.03 | simonrvn | @kill etch's aptitude |
| 06:51.08 | dclarke | I have to wonder about the quality of the ppc implementation |
| 06:52.06 | simonrvn | it's been going down a bit... ... ppc almost ended up on the "second class arch" list before etch released |
| 06:52.07 | dclarke | what was that wonky command to check the path and files in a given package again ? |
| 06:52.15 | simonrvn | dpkg -L |
| 06:52.20 | dclarke | ah .. thanks |
| 06:52.28 | dclarke | I'm jotting down nothes here |
| 06:52.29 | simonrvn | apt-file will give you that for any package, not just installed |
| 06:52.59 | simonrvn | oh, you might want to install dlocate, it's locate for the package db |
| 06:53.14 | simonrvn | dpkg -S searches are much faster ;) |
| 06:54.41 | dclarke | seems like a fractured approach .. no single tool that does it all |
| 06:55.50 | simonrvn | rather unixy approach.. small tools that do one (or many smaller) jobs well |
| 06:56.28 | dclarke | true enough |
| 06:56.41 | dclarke | these last 36 hours have been quite educational |
| 06:57.06 | simonrvn | for me too :) |
| 06:57.41 | simonrvn | kind of an install on an efika by proxy or something |
| 06:58.11 | dclarke | indeed .. non-trivial too |
| 07:00.18 | simonrvn | wee, netsplit |
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| 07:02.23 | dclarke | a boring yet fun interruption .. |
| 07:02.24 | dclarke | :-\ |
| 07:02.53 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:07.03 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.14 | dclarke | nope |
| 07:07.23 | dclarke | I use caffiene as a replacement |
| 07:07.23 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 07:07.28 | dclarke | a poor one to be sure .. |
| 07:07.43 | dclarke | and .. I keep detailed records |
| 07:07.51 | simonrvn | sure do... should've been asleep coupla hours ago |
| 07:07.53 | dclarke | http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/install_ntp.txt |
| 07:07.56 | Bor_Ed | I've promised to have rest 6' under but had to hibernate for couple of hours :) |
| 07:09.29 | dclarke | I can not figure out why my clock is so far oof |
| 07:09.33 | dclarke | off |
| 07:09.48 | Bor_Ed | use ntp to sync |
| 07:09.55 | dclarke | I am |
| 07:10.08 | Bor_Ed | hmm, it fetches the time for real? |
| 07:10.30 | dclarke | real versus ? imaginary ? |
| 07:10.53 | Bor_Ed | if the ntp server ain't confed, it doesn't necessarily give error but instead just skips the sync |
| 07:11.40 | dclarke | I have data in /var/log/ntpstats/loopstats |
| 07:12.05 | simonrvn | you may have to run ntpdate first, then ntpd |
| 07:12.19 | simonrvn | the lenny package does this a lot better |
| 07:12.44 | simonrvn | there goes my cron.weekly |
| 07:14.01 | dclarke | bah .. I'm going to ignore it |
| 07:14.16 | dclarke | the time on this machine matches my own stratum 2 server |
| 07:15.07 | dclarke | sorry .. stratum=3 |
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| 17:41.13 | the_darkside_986 | does anyone know what this X server error means: "(EE) end of lock range 0xfdffffff < begin 0xfe000000" i can't get x to start on a G3 Blue and White tower mac |
| 17:41.34 | the_darkside_986 | i checked the vertical and h refresh and those values are correct. resolution modes also look fine |
| 17:41.52 | the_darkside_986 | i disabled the DRI and GLX modules but it still doesn't seem to start. only a blank screen. |
| 17:44.54 | the_darkside_986 | it also gives the warning "(WW) *Invalid io allocation* b:0xfe001400 e: 0xfe0014ff correcting" |
| 17:45.24 | Bor_Ed | you're using ati driver? |
| 17:46.20 | the_darkside_986 | yeah |
| 17:46.30 | the_darkside_986 | as far as i know. the card is some ancient ATI thing |
| 17:46.41 | Bor_Ed | rage 128 pro |
| 17:46.46 | Bor_Ed | got the same box here |
| 17:46.57 | the_darkside_986 | did X ever work? |
| 17:47.06 | Bor_Ed | works at least on etch and sid |
| 17:47.34 | the_darkside_986 | ok. i just got the network install disk for ppc, 40r... something. not sure. |
| 17:47.53 | Bor_Ed | 4.0r3 probably... that'll work |
| 17:48.55 | the_darkside_986 | i've had only limited experience with xorg.conf hacking, when i was trying to get Ubuntu to work |
| 17:49.22 | Bor_Ed | I didn't have to do a thing to get the X working, just installed x-window-system-core and it worked |
| 17:52.33 | the_darkside_986 | i installed the big "desktop" package |
| 17:52.47 | Bor_Ed | should work that way too |
| 17:52.48 | the_darkside_986 | it tries to start gnome gdm but it won't work so i had to kill it to try to fix X |
| 17:52.56 | the_darkside_986 | i'm using a third-party CRT monitor |
| 17:53.21 | the_darkside_986 | i've had issue with wrong refresh rates before, but i looked and see that it has those values right. so i'm not sure what the problem is |
| 17:53.23 | Bor_Ed | I've never used apple tube... current is some hyundai 15" when I need it |
| 17:55.35 | the_darkside_986 | is there a package that contains xorgcfg that i can get with apt-get? |
| 17:55.51 | the_darkside_986 | i've used that before to get some form of X working on an otherwise hopeless system (like FreeBSD) |
| 17:56.04 | Bor_Ed | xorg.conf can be (re)configured with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:02.10 | the_darkside_986 | i did that and try to even select "framebuffer" option but still, only blank screen |
| 18:02.40 | Bor_Ed | try the vesa driver instead of ati |
| 18:02.50 | the_darkside_986 | oh |
| 18:02.57 | the_darkside_986 | good idea i didn't think of that. thanks |
| 18:02.58 | Bor_Ed | it could work |
| 18:03.14 | Bor_Ed | I'm off now, stuff to do etc |
| 18:06.28 | the_darkside_986 | it almost works and then crashes |
| 18:06.54 | the_darkside_986 | "XI0: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer)..." |
| 18:16.13 | the_darkside_986 | so i guess it is impossible to run Xorg at all on the ancient ATI rage-fail |
| 18:16.43 | MasterTom | try a readeon |
| 18:17.31 | the_darkside_986 | i got this thing for free, i'm not putting any money into it, especially when it involves purchasing a PCI graphics card. that's just sad. |
| 18:17.56 | the_darkside_986 | i need a PS3 for a good PPC system. |
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| 19:25.19 | the_darkside_986 | the monitor keeps saying "Freq. out of range" |
| 19:25.23 | the_darkside_986 | i've tried all sorts of combos |
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