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| 16:15.26 | kejava | hi, i just dl'd the debian ppc netinstall iso for this blue and white g3 that was given to me. anything special i should know before i install? first time working with a ppc :) |
| 16:33.22 | pahartik | Hello kejava |
| 16:33.59 | kejava | hi pahartik |
| 16:35.31 | pahartik | kejava: That sort of NewWorld PowerMacintosh should not have any big problems |
| 16:36.22 | kejava | good. i asked because i ran into really strange problems when trying to run its own macosx 10.3 |
| 16:36.36 | kejava | mostly video and usb issues |
| 16:37.04 | pahartik | kejava: What happened with video? |
| 16:38.53 | kejava | well, started off with with OS9 but then found that OSX was installed too. just had to tell it restart into it. when i did, video no longer worked. turns out the card is supported in OS9 but not OSX. had swap it out with a different one. |
| 16:38.53 | kejava | doesn't end there ... |
| 16:39.47 | kejava | usb didn't work on the installed version of OSX. went to #macosx channel. someone told me to reinstall os due to usb issue. did that but during install and reboot would only support 256 colors :( |
| 16:40.24 | kejava | updated osx to 10.3.9 and POOF, suddenly got 24bpp colors back |
| 16:40.33 | kejava | and USB works now. |
| 16:41.12 | kejava | i found it strange because it didn't appear there was anyway to troubleshoot the issues i was seeing from within macosx |
| 16:41.50 | kejava | can't wait to try debian ppc on it :) |
| 16:42.28 | kejava | i think my frustration with osx is simply due to my own ignorance of the OS. there must be ways to troubleshoot hardware issues. |
| 16:44.42 | pahartik | kejava: If some version of operating system does not work with certain hardware, use another version... Same thing with Debian GNU/Linux, find kernel version that works well and use it... |
| 16:46.18 | kejava | totally. i got this ppc from a friend the other day. has xubuntu on it already, on a different drive. i knew it worked because of that. video and usb were fine. |
| 16:46.57 | kejava | pahartik, i'm only using osx because there's a piece of software I need to use that will only run osx. the device is a PowerFile changer |
| 16:47.05 | kejava | holds 200 DVDs/CDs |
| 16:48.10 | simonrvn | linux kernel has support for jukebox peripherals; ubuntu and debian kernel don't enable the support for them. you might be able to get that working in debian too |
| 16:48.16 | simonrvn | kernels* |
| 16:50.01 | kejava | simonrvn, heh. i've already been there. i've written python scripts to control a similar changer (Sony XL1B) with the mtx package. worked great under lInux :) the PowerFile has slightly different hardware though and has lost support from the mtx group. |
| 16:50.21 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 16:50.35 | pahartik | kejava: Linux kernel supports SCSI commands to "change media", but if your application does other related things automatically, those features might be difficult to imitate |
| 16:53.02 | kejava | i'm gonna give it another stab under debian ppc. but i'm fairly certain it won't work. you guys know if the "mtx" package is available in debian for ppc? and if so, what version? |
| 16:53.34 | simonrvn | @find mtx |
| 16:53.43 | simonrvn | ravenbird: find mtx |
| 16:54.46 | pahartik | refers to document at "http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mtx&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=stable§ion=main" |
| 16:54.59 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'mtx' (6 of 31): (/usr/bin/h5fromtxt) in science/h5utils ;; (/usr/bin/{mtxrun|mtxtools}) in tex/context ;; (/usr/lib/amanda/chg-zd-mtx) in utils/amanda-server ;; (/usr/include/gromacs/mtxio.h) in devel/gromacs-dev ;; (/etc/bacula/scripts/mtx-changer) in admin/bacula-sd ;; (/usr/share/doc/fbbdoc/html/fmtxfbb.htm) in doc/fbbdoc. |
| 16:55.17 | simonrvn | doh, forgot i changed it to |
| 16:55.19 | simonrvn | ! |
| 16:56.00 | simonrvn | !info mtx |
| 16:56.10 | ravenbird | mtx: (controls tape autochangers), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.3.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 165 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 16:56.34 | simonrvn | !info mtx etch |
| 16:56.49 | kejava | cool, thanks for the info. nice they've packaged 1.3.11 for ppc |
| 16:56.59 | ravenbird | mtx: (controls tape autochangers), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.2.17rel-2 (etch), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 16:57.42 | simonrvn | stable has 1.2.17rel-2 |
| 16:57.52 | kejava | simonrvn, cool is ravenbird some kind of bot for doing package searches here? |
| 17:00.03 | kejava | got a silly question. if you want to build a deb package from source, do you need to specify that it's PPC or x86? |
| 17:00.18 | kejava | somewhere in the build process? |
| 17:01.56 | pahartik | kejava: Packages get built for architecture system runs on, by default |
| 17:02.09 | simonrvn | rb's an infobot, that's one of the functions |
| 17:02.59 | simonrvn | yup, depends on host arch. you can cross-compile, but that's a more involved process. |
| 17:03.27 | kejava | ok. makes sense. |
| 17:04.43 | kejava | either of you try slackintosh? i may install that too when I get a handle on how the boot loader works. |
| 17:05.47 | kejava | i used to use slack on x86 way back but got sick of package management, moved to deb-based systems since. |
| 17:06.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:06.51 | pahartik | kejava: I use Debian GNU/Linux on various PowerPC systems, but also Ubuntu Linux for experiments on dual-CPU PowerPC workstation |
| 17:08.05 | kejava | pahartik, but ubuntu only supports up to 6.10 right? are you building your own or just staying with 6.10? |
| 17:11.23 | kejava | ok, i think i've officially asked too many questions :0 |
| 17:11.54 | kejava | i'll come back when i've actually used debian ppc for bit. thanks for all the info and nice meeting you all |
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| 17:12.49 | pahartik | kejava: Well, I mostly lost interest on Ubuntu Linux when they dropped architectures instead of adding them, but... They still have (not supported) "ports" archive... |
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| 17:49.54 | oc80x | YO whats good. |
| 17:50.20 | oc80x | Debian > ubuntu |
| 17:50.26 | oc80x | :D |
| 17:50.54 | oc80x | its great sleep/wake works |
| 17:52.16 | oc80x | but what i am stuck on is the fact Network Manager lists all the wireless points (like iwlist eth2 scan) at 100%... also i cannot connec to any one, says set security when i tail -f /var/log/messages.. really does says set security called, level 0 etc... |
| 17:52.32 | oc80x | looks like it wont pass security and grab an IP |
| 17:52.45 | oc80x | of course this is the bcm43xx issue.. |
| 17:53.43 | oc80x | In some cases the driver you need may not be available as a Debian package. You will then have to look if there is source code available in the internet and compile the driver yourself. How to do this is outside the scope of this manual. |
| 17:54.15 | oc80x | so i looked up the bcm43xx-fw-cutter , installed it i think i dont know what to do *sigh( |
| 17:54.36 | oc80x | t |
| 17:56.43 | oc80x | downloading the tarball is a compiling nightmare, why i dont know |
| 17:57.02 | oc80x | ubuntu worked quickly, i hope i can get some help here |
| 17:58.19 | pahartik | oc80x: Same thing you did on Ubuntu Linux should work on Debian GNU/Linux... |
| 17:58.38 | oc80x | Yikes |
| 17:58.53 | oc80x | can you do a (if in bitchx) /exec -o ls /lib/firmware |
| 17:59.45 | oc80x | i have bcm43xx_initval01 to 10.fw, _microcode11,2,4,5.fw, and _pcm4,5.fw |
| 17:59.57 | oc80x | so like 30 bcm43xx_* files.. |
| 18:00.50 | pahartik | oc80x: On my iBook G4, I have "dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw dvb-usb-dibusb-6.0.0.8.fw" there... But that is not relevant to any 802.11 adapter... |
| 18:01.48 | oc80x | ok but that helps |
| 18:02.14 | oc80x | purhaps the driver source that i sued to extract the firmware (wl_apsta.o) is the wrong one i didnet even open it and read which one it is |
| 18:02.37 | oc80x | yikes its binary |
| 18:02.42 | oc80x | i thought it was wl_apsta.h |
| 18:02.44 | oc80x | or somthin |
| 18:03.31 | oc80x | ok i have the BCM4306 ... |
| 18:03.42 | oc80x | 4306 PCI/Cardbus Supported |
| 18:04.57 | oc80x | check it |
| 18:04.58 | oc80x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.58 | oc80x | |
| 18:04.58 | oc80x | Linux-2.6.24, including 2.6.24-rcX and 2.6.24.Y |
| 18:04.58 | oc80x | |
| 18:04.58 | oc80x | 4.80.53.0 |
| 18:05.00 | oc80x | |
| 18:05.02 | oc80x | b43-fwcutter v. 011 |
| 18:05.04 | oc80x | |
| 18:05.05 | pahartik | oc80x: Wait and see if someone with 802.11 knowledge helps you... I only use Bluetooth... |
| 18:05.06 | oc80x | Go |
| 18:05.08 | oc80x | whoa |
| 18:05.10 | oc80x | im using the old bcm43xx |
| 18:05.12 | oc80x | Heh good. |
| 18:05.20 | pahartik | oc80x: And please do not flood |
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