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| 16:15.15 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: any good with debootstrap? |
| 16:16.59 | simonrvn | i just kinda run it, and then chroot to it when done |
| 16:17.41 | Bor_Ed | want to give a hand? or 2 :) |
| 16:18.09 | Bor_Ed | $ debootstrap --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --arch=mipsel sarge /deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian |
| 16:18.12 | Bor_Ed | $ debootstrap --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --arch=mipsel sarge /deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debianI: Retrieving Release |
| 16:18.15 | Bor_Ed | I: Retrieving Release.gpg |
| 16:18.18 | Bor_Ed | I: Checking Release signature |
| 16:18.20 | Bor_Ed | I: Valid Release signature (key id 7EA391D72477203B58C04FBCB5D0C804ADB11277) |
| 16:18.23 | Bor_Ed | I: Retrieving Packages |
| 16:18.25 | Bor_Ed | I: Validating Packages |
| 16:18.28 | Bor_Ed | W: ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-mipsel/Packages.gz was corrupt |
| 16:18.31 | Bor_Ed | and puke |
| 16:18.38 | simonrvn | try another mirror |
| 16:18.55 | Bor_Ed | tried no, fi, sv, us and fr |
| 16:19.10 | simonrvn | try ca |
| 16:19.17 | Bor_Ed | the Packages / Packages.gz doesn't just seem to work |
| 16:19.19 | Bor_Ed | ca is us |
| 16:19.25 | simonrvn | nl? |
| 16:19.48 | Bor_Ed | all the same... the Packages.gz pukes |
| 16:19.54 | Bor_Ed | and it's friggin' there |
| 16:20.35 | simonrvn | tried cdebootstrap? |
| 16:20.38 | Bor_Ed | tried with sid, etch, sarge and woody already with about every possible country |
| 16:20.51 | Bor_Ed | can't cdebootstrap... just internal flash on the thingy |
| 16:20.57 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 16:21.17 | Bor_Ed | it's the mini laptop I have here... |
| 16:21.32 | simonrvn | yes.. try later? :) |
| 16:21.37 | Bor_Ed | another option would be installing dpkg, apt and so on to the running sys and init the db |
| 16:22.05 | Bor_Ed | it's got half of the etch already installed from data.tar.gz's :) |
| 16:23.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:26.06 | Bor_Ed | had to install perl == required about ton of libs and some other packages too |
| 16:26.36 | Bor_Ed | maybe I'll just install the basesystem and make initscript to ask which one to boot... though I'd like to have the source from provider too since most is gpl'd |
| 16:27.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:27.53 | Bor_Ed | bugger local electronics supplier didn't even recognize the header I think is ttyS0 on the board |
| 16:28.20 | Bor_Ed | I could've had interface to u-boot if they'd had the thingy |
| 16:31.21 | Bor_Ed | oh well... got rest of the week off from work because of some trial preparations so can't really hack the hardware of the laptop... |
| 16:33.29 | simonrvn | aaw :/ |
| 16:34.05 | Bor_Ed | just parental rights fight in divorce procedure, nothing spectacular |
| 17:34.15 | pahartik | Hello Bor_Ed, simonrvn |
| 17:34.26 | simonrvn | hi pahartik |
| 17:35.01 | Bor_Ed | hola pahartik |
| 17:35.29 | Bor_Ed | off to drop by for a cig... I can open up access to the laptop after that if you want to check out... |
| 18:00.49 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: How long does battery of your MIPS laptop device last? |
| 18:01.32 | Bor_Ed | it was up yesterday for ~6 hours and still 1 pole on the battery... need to drive it in to see how long it lasts really |
| 18:02.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Is it similar to "Asus EeePC", except for not being wintel? |
| 18:03.14 | Bor_Ed | haven't seen/used eeepc |
| 18:03.36 | Bor_Ed | only thing bugging on the lappie is embedded/restricted environment |
| 18:04.46 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I watched document at "http://kauppa.elisa.fi/tuote/295?" that advertises "Asus EeePC" |
| 18:05.06 | Bor_Ed | checking |
| 18:06.50 | Bor_Ed | weight, ram, arch and built in specs diff... but otherwise than that close |
| 18:07.28 | Bor_Ed | the belco thingy was 200 with taxes and shipping too, something asus can't quite offer yet |
| 18:09.39 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Is it not easy for boot loader on your laptop device to start Linux kernel and then tell what to run on userspace? |
| 18:10.47 | Bor_Ed | I'm working on it... it has u-boot but the serial header is still mystery to me to get new kernel and u-boot in |
| 18:11.50 | Bor_Ed | it is a real embeddable sys, not something like peecee or mac |
| 18:12.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: No console on frame buffer like on OpenFirmware of SPARC and PowerPC? |
| 18:13.08 | Bor_Ed | I can disable init to launch X currently |
| 18:13.24 | Bor_Ed | it has fb device for console |
| 18:13.43 | Bor_Ed | but the u-boot requires ejtag or serial uplink |
| 18:13.52 | Bor_Ed | like good 'ol oldworld macs |
| 18:16.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I see... |
| 18:17.20 | Bor_Ed | redboot would allow telnet interaction but for some reason the manufacturer opted for u-boot as loader |
| 18:45.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Linksys NSLU2 does have "redboot", if I recall correctly |
| 18:46.07 | Bor_Ed | yup, and allows telnet interaction |
| 18:48.12 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: And it is MIPS... |
| 18:48.12 | Bor_Ed | yup... |
| 18:48.20 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: No, it is ARM... |
| 18:48.28 | Bor_Ed | though arch patches aren't available to other than u-boot |
| 18:49.15 | Bor_Ed | wanna drop to vaasa for midsummers? we're arranging cabins at local camping site :) |
| 18:49.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Damn that confusion |
| 18:49.38 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: What happens in cabins? |
| 18:49.43 | Bor_Ed | the mini laptop is mips... mips32 r1 according to chip manufacturer |
| 18:50.03 | Bor_Ed | what happens in cabins? boozing and possibly random shacking |
| 18:50.28 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Does default system run as big-endian or little-endian? |
| 18:50.28 | Bor_Ed | same thing as in tampere/härmälä camping :D |
| 18:50.32 | Bor_Ed | little |
| 18:52.32 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I did ride my bicycle through Härmälä today... |
| 18:54.41 | Bor_Ed | so you passed camping? :D used to spend pretty much every school ending party and midsummers in there when I lived in tampere |
| 18:55.37 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Trip to Vaasa is almost 100 km more than trip to Jyväskylä... |
| 18:55.46 | Bor_Ed | I know... |
| 18:56.09 | Bor_Ed | though trip to vaasa has about 1 straight... trip to jyväskylä has '2' |
| 18:56.39 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: What? |
| 18:56.55 | Bor_Ed | from tampere to vaasa on car... |
| 18:58.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: 1 and 2 what? |
| 18:58.34 | Bor_Ed | trip from tampere to vaasa is straight forward, trip to jkl has some turns on the road on the way |
| 19:01.12 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I would probably come by train or bicycle... |
| 19:01.22 | Bor_Ed | :D |
| 19:01.33 | Bor_Ed | bus works well to here... 4 hours and cheap |
| 19:02.02 | Bor_Ed | I usually use expressbus when dropping by to tampere |
| 19:03.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I do not go to camping sites, I just go to park at downtown... Last year I did that, since weather was good... With bottle of sweet sparkling white wine and other appropriate stuff |
| 19:04.18 | Bor_Ed | I can't take that much sparkling currently, thanks to docs orders |
| 19:04.32 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: What happened? |
| 19:04.38 | Bor_Ed | divorse |
| 19:10.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Do you often go camping? |
| 19:10.49 | Bor_Ed | used to... got my own tent, backbag and the gear |
| 19:12.27 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I have not done such for almost 20 years, since scout activities |
| 19:12.54 | Bor_Ed | I try to get out every summer for some weekends or weeks |
| 19:13.07 | Bor_Ed | helvetinjärvi is a nice place to drop by |
| 19:15.42 | Bor_Ed | been there countless days... seitseminen is ok too |
| 19:17.49 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I cannot stand mosquitos... |
| 19:21.04 | Bor_Ed | neither can I... that's why I usually have decent level of blood alcohol when camping.... they can bypass such victims :D |
| 19:21.19 | DelTree | ...... |
| 19:21.42 | Bor_Ed | mosquitos don't like alcohol |
| 19:22.40 | simonrvn | nor do they like smoke |
| 19:23.01 | Bor_Ed | that's true too |
| 19:23.13 | simonrvn | keeps the black flies away too (those tiny little bloodsuckers) |
| 19:23.14 | DelTree | is that even true ? or is it just excuses for your vices ? |
| 19:23.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Do you have copy of "dmesg", "lspci", "lsusb" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" output of your laptop device somewhere? |
| 19:23.26 | simonrvn | DelTree: *any* smoke |
| 19:23.37 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: naa.. but I can get if you want |
| 19:24.20 | DelTree | simonrvn: yeah... I'd bet that... "just a plant, man"... ;p |
| 19:25.07 | simonrvn | wood smoke, tobacco, seem to work best. pot, i don't smoke, and i'd think the aroma would attract them, not repel them. |
| 19:25.20 | simonrvn | certainly does that to cats |
| 19:35.00 | Bor_Ed | that's sweet aroma so I'd guess mosquitos like that too |
| 19:37.31 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:39.31 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: You were silenced by anti-flood feature, can you put it on HTTP server and refer to it by URL? |
| 19:40.03 | Bor_Ed | the thingy is down already... I'll drop it next time you ask, ok? |
| 19:41.16 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: No problem |
| 19:55.39 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Is default software on your laptop device like usual PalmOS setup? |
| 19:58.15 | Bor_Ed | more or less |
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