| 00:01.40 | simonrvn | yeh that's a fine machine |
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| 09:24.23 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: i know, this is SUPER machine! |
| 09:24.38 | mike_xcr | but, is one problem... Debian on PPC :P |
| 09:28.12 | DelTree | works fine... except non-free horrors... ;p |
| 09:31.23 | mike_xcr | DelTree: Gnome 2.22, gedit, g++ on ppc and gcc, iceweasel + flash - works ok ? |
| 09:32.06 | DelTree | flash is non-free horror... archetype of it... |
| 09:32.40 | mike_xcr | hmm, what i must use to viewing flash? |
| 09:32.59 | DelTree | mike_xcr: you must forget any hope about flash... |
| 09:33.13 | mike_xcr | (sory i from poland, and not speak good english) |
| 09:33.32 | DelTree | flash just won't work... |
| 09:33.43 | mike_xcr | DelTree: hmm so... ok, i have two notebooks too. |
| 09:34.14 | mike_xcr | DelTree: i want compile my console programs for x86... this good idea on ppc? |
| 09:34.53 | DelTree | what are those "console programs" ? |
| 09:35.21 | mike_xcr | DelTree: not using Qt, GTK or any graphic library... ;) |
| 09:35.31 | mike_xcr | working only on terminal |
| 09:36.15 | DelTree | should work fine... except if you're using java... |
| 09:36.24 | DelTree | Qt and GTK work well too... ;pp |
| 09:36.34 | DelTree | as long as you don't use 3D... |
| 09:37.41 | mike_xcr | hmm |
| 09:37.52 | mike_xcr | why java? |
| 09:38.04 | mike_xcr | i must using java for compile on x86? ;> |
| 09:38.20 | mike_xcr | or i can't using java on ppc? :D i don't understand, sorry ;) |
| 09:38.35 | DelTree | java does not work well on ppc... |
| 09:39.16 | mike_xcr | hurra! |
| 09:39.22 | mike_xcr | i don't like java ;p |
| 09:39.38 | DelTree | :)) |
| 09:40.13 | mike_xcr | is any page where i find not-working programms/ library on ppc ? |
| 09:40.39 | DelTree | well... it's pretty simple... |
| 09:40.50 | DelTree | flash and 3D don't work at all... |
| 09:40.57 | DelTree | java works, but not well... |
| 09:41.10 | mike_xcr | aaa last question (maybe..) |
| 09:41.23 | mike_xcr | drivers for ppc ? :D |
| 09:41.46 | DelTree | non-free drivers don't work... |
| 09:41.49 | mike_xcr | only for graphic card in my PowerBook 17" |
| 09:42.06 | mike_xcr | i wan't using 1400x900 :D |
| 09:42.14 | DelTree | that's no problem... |
| 09:42.20 | mike_xcr | yea? |
| 09:42.21 | DelTree | 2D works with free drivers... |
| 09:42.28 | mike_xcr | so good |
| 09:42.29 | DelTree | 3D is the problem... |
| 09:43.24 | mike_xcr | i using apt-get / aptitude normal on ppc? (aptitude install xxx) |
| 09:43.45 | DelTree | of course... aptitude is basis of debian... |
| 09:43.50 | mike_xcr | :) |
| 09:59.43 | mike_xcr | $900 PowerBook 17" : / |
| 10:58.35 | simonrvn | mike_xcr: you can try to use gnash, for flash, but you'll need the latest gnash for stuff like youtube |
| 10:59.13 | simonrvn | depending on his video though, the free drivers can pull off 3d |
| 10:59.25 | simonrvn | forget about nvidia though |
| 10:59.53 | simonrvn | has a radeon 9000 that works well with Free stuff |
| 11:01.12 | mike_xcr | Radeon 9700 in my PowerBook |
| 11:01.38 | simonrvn | man radeon to see if it's supported |
| 11:01.45 | mike_xcr | :) |
| 11:01.48 | simonrvn | lemme check |
| 11:02.16 | simonrvn | R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL X1/Z1 |
| 11:02.24 | simonrvn | it would seem so |
| 11:02.29 | DelTree | there is youtube-dl for youtube... |
| 11:02.42 | simonrvn | yeh, and play it in mplayer or such |
| 11:02.57 | simonrvn | vlc works too i hear |
| 11:03.38 | simonrvn | oh the heading that R300 was under was this: |
| 11:03.41 | simonrvn | SUPPORTED HARDWARE The radeon driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the following ATI chips |
| 11:04.31 | simonrvn | i have dri, opengl, and 3d working, so you can too, hehe. |
| 11:06.00 | simonrvn | i'll put up my xorg.conf |
| 11:12.30 | simonrvn | i put it in http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/xorg/ |
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| 11:41.46 | mike_xcr | hmmm, grub is a problem on ppc ? |
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| 11:41.54 | mike_xcr | or other bootloader ? |
| 11:42.14 | simonrvn | yaboot is what you use |
| 11:42.31 | simonrvn | you could try grub2, but i wouldn't use etch's |
| 11:42.36 | mike_xcr | simonrvn: in installing Debian 5 is automatically installed? |
| 11:42.49 | simonrvn | yaboot? yes. |
| 11:43.05 | mike_xcr | i must download special ppc version, yes? :D |
| 11:43.19 | simonrvn | special ppc version of what? |
| 11:43.42 | mike_xcr | i must download special debian version, ppc |
| 11:43.42 | mike_xcr | ;] |
| 11:43.48 | simonrvn | of what? |
| 11:44.06 | mike_xcr | nothing... |
| 11:44.08 | mike_xcr | nvm |
| 11:44.10 | ekl | yes, you need to download debian ppc |
| 11:44.11 | simonrvn | no, just whatever install medium you need |
| 11:44.21 | simonrvn | ppc version of iso, etc. |
| 11:44.30 | simonrvn | and burn that |
| 11:44.51 | simonrvn | etc etc etc |
| 11:44.57 | mike_xcr | ok thanks. |
| 11:45.06 | ekl | but it's not special, it's an architecture |
| 11:45.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:45.30 | simonrvn | like x86, sparc, mips, etc. |
| 11:45.52 | ekl | anyone can help about keeping both os9 and debian on a G3 ibook ? |
| 11:46.01 | ekl | i tried to partition about 12 times |
| 11:46.18 | ekl | at the end of linux installation, macos is not anymore bootable |
| 11:46.25 | simonrvn | install os9, install debian, in that order. keep free space for debian when installing os 9 |
| 11:46.35 | simonrvn | chainload it |
| 11:46.43 | ekl | chainload ? |
| 11:46.45 | simonrvn | don't delete driver partitions |
| 11:46.51 | ekl | i don't |
| 11:47.05 | simonrvn | new world, old world? |
| 11:47.10 | ekl | ibook g3 |
| 11:47.19 | ekl | new world |
| 11:47.24 | simonrvn | duh me, you said it ;) |
| 11:47.45 | ekl | using drive setup i create 2 partitions, one for mac os and one for linux |
| 11:47.49 | ekl | (linux first) |
| 11:47.53 | ekl | then install os9 |
| 11:47.57 | simonrvn | do mac os first |
| 11:48.05 | ekl | tried, no difference |
| 11:48.05 | simonrvn | os 9 then linux |
| 11:48.11 | simonrvn | oh yeh? |
| 11:48.27 | ekl | i'm just guessing but.. |
| 11:48.50 | ekl | it may be related to blessing.. |
| 11:48.59 | ekl | when i reboot and try to boot os9 |
| 11:49.08 | ekl | both from yaboot or pressing alt at boot |
| 11:49.11 | simonrvn | yeh, you might need to rebless os 9 |
| 11:49.23 | ekl | i only get a "? disk" icon |
| 11:49.32 | simonrvn | try that |
| 11:49.35 | ekl | there is no osx on that machine |
| 11:49.38 | ekl | uhm.. how ? |
| 11:50.04 | simonrvn | boot from mac os cd, drag out system file, drop it back in |
| 11:50.34 | ekl | you mean simply dragging out of "Macintosh HD" System Folder, then redrag it in ? |
| 11:51.07 | simonrvn | no, system *file* out of system folder |
| 11:51.13 | ekl | ah, ok |
| 11:51.26 | ekl | sorry but i'm not an os9 h4xx0r :) |
| 11:51.45 | simonrvn | i started off on that shit ;). |
| 11:51.52 | ekl | i mean.. i started with 7.5.1, but i started to "play" with it later |
| 11:52.01 | ekl | when the transition to x was starting |
| 11:52.04 | simonrvn | well, certainly works better than same gen. windows... |
| 11:52.10 | ekl | eheh |
| 11:52.12 | simonrvn | nods |
| 11:52.20 | ekl | my first mac was a 7200 |
| 11:52.23 | simonrvn | ekl++ |
| 11:52.27 | ekl | count :P |
| 11:52.49 | ekl | i'd like to put debian on my 4400 too |
| 11:52.55 | ekl | but i can't find a way to boot on it |
| 11:53.01 | ekl | well.. 1 thing at time |
| 11:53.06 | simonrvn | ask Bor_Ed, he has/had one |
| 11:53.21 | ekl | i guess i "got it" |
| 11:53.24 | simonrvn | i think i still have his nvramrc he used for it |
| 11:53.34 | ekl | uhm... |
| 11:53.39 | ekl | no, now i guess i did not. |
| 11:53.47 | mike_xcr | i put Debian on PowerBook 17" ;p |
| 11:53.57 | ekl | my idea was "create floppies, then boot" |
| 11:54.18 | simonrvn | yes, but the floppies don't work, miboot is still non-free AFAIK |
| 11:54.29 | simonrvn | you need special built floppies |
| 11:54.33 | ekl | but drive setup refuses to see some images for creating floppies, that was my problem |
| 11:54.38 | ekl | uhm |
| 11:54.40 | simonrvn | i think wouter has some built |
| 11:54.49 | simonrvn | people.debian.org/~wouter/ |
| 11:54.50 | ekl | i was trying bootx way, maybe this is the reason ? |
| 11:55.00 | simonrvn | bootx could work |
| 11:55.15 | simonrvn | i used hd-media way (look that up in install guide) |
| 11:55.15 | ekl | well |
| 11:55.29 | ekl | mhm.. i'll check it later |
| 11:55.31 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 11:55.32 | ravenbird | Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 11:55.54 | ekl | now my main problem is that, don't know why, my g3 ibook stopped to recharge battery |
| 11:56.36 | simonrvn | !ig =~ s/Testing!/Testing, and also soon to be released Debian stable./ |
| 11:56.37 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 11:56.38 | ekl | well.. the light on ac adapter is orange, so it's trying to recharge.. but charge percentage doesn't grow, so something is not working |
| 11:57.08 | simonrvn | i've heard discharge it completely, then recharge it, but that may be full of shit. |
| 11:57.18 | ekl | last time it happened, i used an os9 utility to fix it |
| 11:57.22 | ekl | something about firmware |
| 11:57.27 | simonrvn | gtg. yeh. |
| 11:57.43 | ekl | but.. as i wrote minutes ago, i can't boot os9 anymore :P |
| 12:10.01 | simonrvn | gl |
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