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| 17:04.43 | xxiao | i'm from freescale and would like to explore the possibility to add e500 architecture to debian |
| 17:05.43 | xxiao | we can use the existing ppc debian on e500 most of the time, but it will crach when floating instructions, and some e500-specific instructions are used |
| 17:05.51 | xxiao | crash |
| 17:05.52 | simonrvn | isn't that just ppc32? |
| 17:06.00 | xxiao | simonrvn: no it's not |
| 17:06.00 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 17:06.17 | simonrvn | no-mmu ? |
| 17:06.26 | xxiao | i have been trying to build a native e500 debian for sometime, but need help and suggestions |
| 17:06.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, e500 is more or less 604 if my memory serves right |
| 17:06.53 | xxiao | with mmu, it's actually the major powerpc chip from freescale and amcc these days, |
| 17:07.12 | xxiao | we call the powerpc chip "legacy design" |
| 17:07.37 | simonrvn | what's common usage? curious. |
| 17:07.52 | xxiao | i would say, e500 will be the major powerpc chip afterwards, instead of the e600 used by apple and others |
| 17:08.16 | xxiao | simonrvn: embedded space, which implies i really do not need a d-i |
| 17:08.28 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 17:09.02 | Bor_Ed | xxiao: isn't the chip core used on that 440 or such chip by amcc? |
| 17:09.16 | xxiao | most of the ppc packages are running ok on e500, unless floating points are involved, e.g. firefox, java code,etc |
| 17:09.39 | xxiao | Bor_Ed: yes they're similar, both called booke architecture |
| 17:09.49 | Bor_Ed | tried to use -mcpu=603 or 604e? |
| 17:10.21 | Bor_Ed | they should do the trick as I've read my lessons |
| 17:10.32 | xxiao | Bor_Ed: the core by design is very different actually, so 603/604e is really not the best way |
| 17:10.50 | Bor_Ed | I see |
| 17:11.26 | xxiao | it's a "new" "next generation" core, aimed to replace legacy ppc used by apple and others in the future |
| 17:11.54 | Bor_Ed | you could try to contact ben herrencschidt (benh) at www.penguinppc.org , he's most active ppc kernel hacker |
| 17:12.04 | xxiao | plus, it's a SOC, all northbridge/southbridge is on one chip, very different from ppc again |
| 17:12.20 | Bor_Ed | might hang out in lkml too |
| 17:12.31 | xxiao | Bor_Ed: we actually have excellent kernel support, u-boot support, i'm here to find a good root filesystem |
| 17:12.44 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 17:13.06 | xxiao | Bor_Ed: and yes, our colleagues work with Ben actively |
| 17:13.16 | Bor_Ed | debian ppc rootfs runs down to 601 so it shouldn't be that much of a work |
| 17:14.03 | xxiao | agree, i expect most of the packages can be rebuild without patching, but again, there are some packages we have to deal with, floating point is the first one |
| 17:14.31 | Bor_Ed | tried yet on debian-devel list? |
| 17:14.43 | xxiao | again, glibc is ready, just need somehow make it into debian |
| 17:15.04 | xxiao | tried once, was told e500 is in a niche market :( |
| 17:15.41 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that's the normal answer unless one can pick supporter from a person/group that's already maintaining package(s) |
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| 17:17.15 | Bor_Ed | if you have resources already there, I think it'd be possible to add the tree to power.org or to penguinppc.org and when there's statistics of the need, apply again to debian-devel |
| 17:17.45 | xxiao | Bor_Ed: good suggestion. so far i'm the only resource :( |
| 17:19.23 | xxiao | is debian-devel on oftc or freenode, or both? |
| 17:20.10 | Bor_Ed | in www.debian.org |
| 17:20.14 | Bor_Ed | mailing list... |
| 17:20.38 | Bor_Ed | channel exists too but don't know how active it is |
| 17:21.04 | xxiao | it says debian channel is moved to oftc, but freenode still has a debian channel and has a larger user base |
| 17:21.07 | xxiao | anyway will try both |
| 17:21.15 | simonrvn_ | d-d is only on oftc |
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| 17:21.37 | Bor_Ed | hopefully you get better specialist approach here |
| 17:23.16 | Bor_Ed | we're mostly users here, some help on packaging, maintaining etc too but unfortunately no such alive now |
| 17:23.24 | xxiao | thanks! i will keep hopping between debian/debianppc/debain-devel for a while |
| 17:24.33 | Bor_Ed | as I can tell you, I can help on build testing on ibm750 system as far as I can and always welcome dev board(s) to test on the real deal too :) |
| 17:25.52 | xxiao | great. thanks for all the helps so far. |
| 17:26.53 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
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| 17:27.35 | jrabbit | Hey if I have a TiBook and grab a rc2of Lenny netinst for ppc will it have the wifi drivers for my airport card? |
| 17:28.32 | Bor_Ed | ethcnhalf is first that had the support iirc |
| 17:31.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, wait... tibook has airport or airport extreme? |
| 17:31.58 | simonrvn | ae iirc |
| 17:32.15 | Bor_Ed | then it should be in by now |
| 17:32.21 | jrabbit | it's airport extreme I think |
| 17:32.24 | jrabbit | I can go check though |
| 17:32.32 | jrabbit | oh cool |
| 17:32.57 | Bor_Ed | simonrvn: isn't ae just bcm51xx? |
| 17:32.58 | jrabbit | THat'd be nice if I didn't have to install tethered to my wifi router :) |
| 17:33.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:33.20 | Bor_Ed | been there for a while then already |
| 17:33.20 | simonrvn | though that driver's deprecated |
| 17:33.37 | simonrvn | (there's a new one for that crap) |
| 17:33.50 | Bor_Ed | I recall wpa2 was pita to work with on the free driver but wep did ok |
| 17:34.27 | jrabbit | I keep an open wifi and a clsoed one so It won't be an issue |
| 17:34.32 | simonrvn | hence the new driver |
| 17:34.39 | jrabbit | is the newer driver apt-get able? |
| 17:35.44 | jrabbit | mm thanks I'll go grab the netinst disc and try an install before I ship this other mac off |
| 17:36.04 | simonrvn | should be in-kernel |
| 17:36.32 | Bor_Ed | was a while back at least on competing .deb based distro... |
| 17:37.54 | jrabbit | hmm which burner to use... |
| 17:38.10 | Bor_Ed | cdrecord <3 |
| 17:39.41 | jrabbit | Well I meant I have two boxes working one mbp and one debian tower :P |
| 17:41.20 | jrabbit | odd is there not a lenny rc2 for ppc? o.o |
| 17:41.39 | Bor_Ed | just pick daily built |
| 17:41.59 | Bor_Ed | it's already ahead of rc2 |
| 17:42.43 | jrabbit | kk |
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| 19:04.38 | mike_xcr | lol |
| 19:05.04 | Bor_Ed | cat! |
| 19:22.34 | jrabbit | Do I need to isntall yaboot BEFORE I install debian/ppc? |
| 19:22.46 | jrabbit | I cannot get osx to see this disc as a bootvolume wtf |
| 19:22.46 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 19:22.55 | jrabbit | it doesn't show up in opt boot |
| 19:22.59 | jrabbit | nor with C |
| 19:23.02 | jrabbit | it mounts |
| 19:23.18 | jrabbit | but it cannot be selected as a boot volume |
| 19:23.32 | jrabbit | would burning on this drive make it work? |
| 19:23.33 | jrabbit | :| |
| 19:24.39 | Bor_Ed | sorry, I'm off for the day (over 9pm) but there's ppl catching up with the channel flow in some time |
| 19:48.09 | jrabbit | Aha! |
| 19:48.20 | jrabbit | Ran the disk in disk util.. it has an error |
| 19:48.23 | jrabbit | the iso. |
| 19:48.28 | jrabbit | repairing it then going to burn |
| 19:52.59 | jrabbit | urgh its erroring. |
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| 21:03.34 | simonrvn | re-download the iso, there's a reason it's erroring out. |
| 21:13.49 | jrabbit | simonrvn: It matches the md5 on the server. |
| 21:14.02 | jrabbit | It's erroring as in verifyign the volume |
| 21:14.06 | jrabbit | dling the rc2 |
| 21:23.19 | simonrvn | mm |
| 21:33.11 | jrabbit | if it also has issues well I'll jsut stick with fink :P |
| 21:38.50 | simonrvn | maybe your burner has issues? |
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| 21:54.06 | jrabbit | simonrvn: nope. |
| 21:54.09 | jrabbit | Its the iso |
| 21:54.17 | jrabbit | the disc verfies to the iso |
| 21:54.28 | simonrvn_ | :/. try getting another one ? |
| 21:54.35 | jrabbit | I'm gettign rc in a few secodns and will test it before I burn |
| 21:54.38 | jrabbit | I am |
| 21:54.56 | jrabbit | it jsut takes forever now that the debian serers are getting raped during daylight :{ |
| 21:55.19 | simonrvn_ | yeh, it's dinstall time |
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| 21:57.21 | jrabbit | same warning |
| 21:57.28 | jrabbit | osx ddoesn't even want to mount it |
| 21:57.54 | jrabbit | invalid alloc blocks. |
| 21:57.56 | jrabbit | <_< |
| 21:58.01 | simonrvn_ | o_O |
| 21:58.12 | jrabbit | should I mount the iso then copy the contents? |
| 21:58.18 | jrabbit | the isop is EXTREMELY flawed |
| 21:58.46 | simonrvn_ | it's odd it's even doing that. |
| 21:59.10 | simonrvn_ | get the etch one, then upgrade to lenny. might want etchnhalf iso though. |
| 21:59.20 | jrabbit | :| |
| 21:59.28 | jrabbit | I don't have the time :< |
| 21:59.33 | jrabbit | I can try later though |
| 22:00.06 | simonrvn_ | generally they're supposed to be at least burnable and bootable.... |
| 22:00.12 | simonrvn_ | the testing isos i mean |
| 22:00.51 | jrabbit | uploading to server and backing tihsl laptop off |
| 22:00.51 | jrabbit | brb |
| 22:01.38 | jrabbit | ok on the old laptop. |
| 22:02.01 | simonrvn_ | some irc proxy? |
| 22:02.23 | simonrvn | thinks bitlbee or something |
| 22:02.27 | jrabbit | I screen into my debian box |
| 22:02.29 | jrabbit | :P |
| 22:02.33 | simonrvn | mm :) |
| 22:02.34 | jrabbit | irssi |
| 22:02.39 | simonrvn | too |
| 22:14.35 | jrabbit | ok |
| 22:15.10 | jrabbit | bbl going to fedex to drop off the mac |
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