IRC log for #debianppc on 20090526

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15:21.53linuxopjemactry to configure gdictthai-0.0.4
15:21.56linuxopjemacget an erro
15:21.59linuxopjemacerror
15:22.05linuxopjemacchecking for db_env_create in -ldb-4.7... no
15:22.07linuxopjemacany idea ?
15:22.16linuxopjemacI use Lenny on a Pismo
15:22.30Bor_Edinstall ldb-4.7-dev
15:22.39linuxopjemacI think it's there
15:22.54Bor_Edcheck with dpkg -L|grep ii|grep ldb
15:24.14linuxopjemacjeroen@debian:~/gdictthai-0.0.4$ dpkg -L|grep ii|grep ldb
15:24.15linuxopjemacdpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
15:24.41linuxopjemacoops no root
15:25.11simonrvnum, dpkg -l not -L
15:25.23simonrvnand you want bdb not ldb
15:25.48simonrvnthe l is part of the -l in -ldb-4.7
15:26.06linuxopjemacdebian:/home/jeroen/gdictthai-0.0.4# dpkg -l|grep ii|grep ldb
15:26.06linuxopjemacii  libbinio1ldbl                         1.4-10                     binary I/O stream class library
15:26.06linuxopjemacii  libglib1.2ldbl                        1.2.10-19                  The GLib library of C routines
15:26.06linuxopjemacii  libhsqldb-java                        1.8.0.9-3                  Java SQL database engine
15:26.06linuxopjemacii  libmpfr1ldbl                          2.3.1.dfsg.1-2             multiple precision floating-point computatio
15:26.07simonrvnit's a compiler flag
15:26.11linuxopjemacok
15:26.12simonrvnstop pasting here
15:26.16linuxopjemacsorry
15:26.29linuxopjemacI will do in the paste site
15:26.35simonrvnit's ok
15:26.49simonrvnjust install bdb4.7-dev
15:26.56linuxopjemacI will try
15:27.02Bor_Edthanks simon to correct me...
15:27.11Bor_Edwas afk
15:27.21simonrvns'ok, probably have done it in a while =)
15:27.25simonrvnhaven't*
15:27.45Bor_Edyea, I'm beginning to be lazy and use 3rd party sources mainly :D
15:28.21simonrvnhehe, yeh me too. i have a good memory though, and still do it for a very few packages.
15:28.52linuxopjemacthere is no package bdb4.7-dev
15:29.05Bor_Edit's libbdb-4.7-dev or such
15:29.13Bor_Edjust search for libbdb
15:29.26simonrvnwell, it's either bdb4.7-dev or bdb-4.7-dev or libdb4.7-dev or such..
15:29.31simonrvnsec
15:29.45linuxopjemacthanks
15:29.48simonrvnruns a dpkg -l '*db*4.7-dev'
15:30.06Bor_Edeww, no grepping and such wide mask?
15:30.15simonrvnnaw
15:30.29simonrvnget 1 result :)
15:30.31simonrvnii  libdb4.7-dev                     4.7.25-6                         Berkeley v4.7 Database Libraries [development]
15:30.44Bor_Edtries to recall what he suggested :o
15:30.51Bor_Edaww, 1 '-' wrong
15:31.29linuxopjemaccan't find that package grrrr
15:31.42simonrvnwhat release are you on?
15:31.53Bor_Eddo you have main, contrib and non-free sources enabled?
15:31.56simonrvnit won't be in lenny; you'll have to use 4.6
15:32.11Bor_Edit's only in sid?
15:32.18simonrvnsqueeze/sid yeh
15:32.19linuxopjemacI use Lenny
15:32.26simonrvnor find a backport
15:32.40Bor_Edeasier to dist-upgrade than to find backports :)
15:32.42simonrvn-> backports.org
15:32.53linuxopjemacI will look in synaptic package manager
15:32.57simonrvnand to *build* bdb is a huge PITA
15:33.09Bor_Edprobably '2' deps :)
15:33.11simonrvngotta install ~ 150 MB of deps...
15:33.15Bor_Edright
15:33.17linuxopjemacno thanks
15:34.02simonrvnwell, since this is a lappy anyway, i'd go for squeeze, personally.
15:34.14Bor_Edhmm, first time in my life a ppc shut down to cpu heat... rebuilt the b&w g3/350@400 to closet and left the cpu passive... hung and now it's got nice silent 42mm fan attached
15:34.27simonrvnouch
15:34.44simonrvni need to gt my hands on one of those
15:34.46Bor_Edppc won't take heat probs before 105°C so it must've been hot
15:34.51linuxopjemaclibdb4.5-dev was installed
15:34.58linuxopjemactry with libdb4.5-dev
15:35.01linuxopjemacsorry
15:35.01Bor_Edhey, I found today a site with ppc boards and cpus... wait a sec
15:35.05simonrvndid ./configure find it?
15:35.09linuxopjemacI will try libdb4.6-dev
15:35.11simonrvnooh
15:36.01linuxopjemachow does that backport work ?
15:36.02simonrvnthe bdb-dev packages are exclusive or, so installing one will uninstall any others.
15:36.13linuxopjemacsame error with libdb4.6-dev
15:36.20linuxopjemacit wants 4.7
15:36.30simonrvndoes it have to be 4.7 ? meh
15:36.55linuxopjemacchecking for db_env_create in -ldb-4.7... no
15:37.06simonrvnmeh
15:37.08Bor_Edhttp://www.dvwarehouse.com/Processor-Module-for-G4-Processor,-1.25-GHz,-Uni--Single-820-1497-A--661-2914-p-23793.html this site
15:38.38simonrvnneat
15:38.55Bor_Edyup, though so too, price is right compared to ebay crooks too
15:39.14Bor_Edand the site has hella lot of ppc gear
15:39.18linuxopjemaccan someone have a look at backports ?
15:39.26simonrvnthat one is but i checked the g5 superdrive stuff and it was like WTF
15:39.34linuxopjemacI don't find that libdb4.7-dev for ppc
15:39.42Bor_Edlinuxopjemac: I'd recommend dist-upgrading to testing
15:40.05simonrvnravenbird: lenny->squeeze
15:40.07ravenbirdAt present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while.  If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny.
15:40.45linuxopjemacravenbird: I don't want that
15:40.46ravenbirdbugger all, i dunno, linuxopjemac
15:40.51linuxopjemacthanks
15:41.09linuxopjemacI will let it be
15:41.19simonrvnit's a bot..
15:41.33linuxopjemacor is there another solution ?
15:41.53linuxopjemacdo you guys have a running lenny on ppc ?
15:41.59linuxopjemacmaybe you can have a look
15:42.03Bor_Edjust sid...
15:42.26Bor_Edno reason to go with 'stable' as sid has broken on me 3 times in last 10 years
15:42.30simonrvni have one on lenny
15:42.42linuxopjemaccool
15:43.09linuxopjemacmaybe you dl the gdictthai-0.0.4 tarball and give it a try
15:43.57linuxopjemacreally
15:44.10linuxopjemacBor_Ed, sounds promising
15:44.30linuxopjemacbut this is not my box
15:44.32Bor_Edit's helped a lot to get to know debian too in years
15:44.38linuxopjemac:)
15:44.42Bor_Edahh, perhaps better to stay on stable then
15:44.47linuxopjemacyeah
15:44.53linuxopjemacit's my girlfriend's
15:45.27Bor_Edeven better, sid with experimental :D
15:45.45linuxopjemacshe'll go nuts
15:47.26Bor_Edback later, friend dropped by
15:49.59linuxopjemacstill hoping that simonrvn is going to help me out ...
15:51.58simonrvnfull plate though... download URL would help
15:52.51linuxopjemacsorry
15:52.55linuxopjemaci'll give it
15:54.00linuxopjemacftp://ftp.kitty.in.th/pub/sources/gdictthai/
15:54.19linuxopjemacI'll appreciate
15:56.43simonrvnyeh, ./configure only looks for 4.7
15:57.33simonrvnyou might be able to edit configure.in and re-create configure
15:57.40simonrvnand get away with 4.6
15:58.12linuxopjemacok
15:58.23simonrvnyou'll need autoconf, and friends (automake, autoheader, etc.). look for those in aptitude.
15:58.50simonrvninstall the recommends unless they seem excessive
15:59.36linuxopjemacsame error
15:59.47linuxopjemacI edited configure.in
16:00.51linuxopjemacmaybe db_env_create is not in 4.6
16:01.37simonrvnyou need to regenerate configure afterwards
16:01.55simonrvnit is. it's been around since the 3.x days
16:02.00linuxopjemacregenerate ?
16:02.19linuxopjemacI did another ./configure
16:02.22simonrvnyes. run autoconf
16:02.26linuxopjemacok
16:03.08linuxopjemacaha !
16:03.17linuxopjemacit worked
16:03.46linuxopjemacmake creates error tho
16:03.55simonrvnno doubt
16:04.12linuxopjemacwhat do I need to do ?
16:04.57linuxopjemacanother magic ?
16:04.57linuxopjemaclike auto something
16:04.57simonrvnprobably re-do the Makefiles... make distclean
16:05.00simonrvnthen do ./configure again
16:05.10simonrvnmight need to run automake
16:05.23simonrvnafk, making breakfast
16:07.45linuxopjemacsimonrvn: thanks so much, it worked !!!
16:08.48linuxopjemacI am going, cu again soon for maybe some other questions :)
16:09.25simonrvncool
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16:58.40Bor_Edyet another satisfied customer
17:18.37simonrvn!customer
17:18.38ravenbirdanother happy customer leaves the building
17:19.20Bor_Edahh, 'happy' :)
17:19.41Bor_Edwhoops, had ~ full and wondered why moz puked all the time
17:23.03simonrvnheh
17:24.24Bor_Edgot just 8G ~ and couple of huge games there
17:26.27simonrvnooh
17:29.14Bor_Edas well as flightgear dynamic data... had to move it to /usr :/
17:38.36simonrvnfg is huge..
17:41.49Bor_Ednaa, just the dynamic maps and airplane collection are :P
17:42.02simonrvnah hehe
17:42.30Bor_Edfgfs alone is some 400 megs only
17:43.04Bor_Edbut start to fly with atlas enabled and doing some european routes from here... suddenly couple of gigs extra data/flight
17:43.50Bor_Edneeds to get a yoke and pedals...
18:06.43simonrvnouch
18:07.24Bor_Edchecked CH options... around 600 eur (1000 usd) kit :I
18:18.41simonrvnhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8468953219.html
18:21.52Bor_Edeh?
18:26.11simonrvnnew eval board, RISC, (ppc?), router, with openwrt distro on it
18:26.48Bor_Ednot ppc... routers are mips32/64 :(
18:27.21Bor_Edppc router is always pmz or such card and costs 3k+
18:28.22simonrvnah ok
18:28.48Bor_Edchinese ppl have gone mips way and that's why the boards are easy to get and 'cheap'
18:29.00simonrvni wish the of licensing was cheaper, i think it'd be more popular otherwise.
18:29.08simonrvni see
18:29.54Bor_Edthere are some ppc cards around at 600'ish usd/eur and I hope more coming from power.org mpc8641d and such designs
18:30.17simonrvnyeh. would be nice.
18:30.39psychicistyeah, mips is more easily accessible and cheaper. I wish there was some kind of modern ppc platform, but short of the ps3 and ydl powerstation I haven't found anything remotely affordable so I stick with my powermacs.
18:30.55Bor_Edthere's some project going but I recall it's just proof of consept, not a real product
18:31.42Bor_Edhad couple of e600 cores ('g4 for mac people) and 1GHz+ clock
18:32.32simonrvnhmm
18:38.25psychicistI had good hopes for something based on PA-Semi's chip, AMCC's Titan or the forthcoming e700 cores, but so far nothing has appeared within the reach of regular folk.
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18:40.05Bor_Edsure has, the schemas and gerbers are available on power.org , you just need to get a place to fabricate PCB, get the components and some assembly line to run such precision mounts with reflow oven
18:40.28Bor_Edhas been on such biz, though the company is about belly up now
18:52.11psychicistI'll have a look over there, but it seems even Genesi has abandoned its efforts to build a ppc platform and is now supporting Freescale's arm implementations mainly. at least it's been much easier to get mips and arm hardware for me than ppc, which is at least still out there in game consoles. that's in contrast with sparc which is in an even worse state from my point of view.
18:54.14Bor_Edppc is getting niche indeed, though I still am going to use ppc even on my next server/nas box
18:56.27Bor_Ednext desktop will be arm though instead of this x86, been looking at beagleboard.org lately with close eye
18:57.44psychicistI'm pretty much architecture agnostic, I just don't like x86 all that much for low-power devices
18:58.17Bor_Edgot this p4/2.66 desktop with 19" crt at 6 eur... couldn't resist at the time
18:58.59psychicistI'm using a mips desktop in addition to my x86, wouldn't mind getting an arm as well
18:59.20Bor_Edcheck the beagleboard ...
18:59.26psychicistno one would resist such a bargain, I wouldn't either
19:00.16psychicistI'm going to get one but there's also the sheevaplug and I believe a desktop based on the same design
19:00.38Bor_Edsheeva doesn't have video out
19:00.50Bor_Edprice is though tempting for server/nas
19:05.41psychicistthe sheeva doesn't but the openrd-client has one, someone pointed me to it: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-21-openrd-client.aspx
19:07.02Bor_Ed$199 for the board and another 50 for case and no mentioning if psu is included... though I'll be watching on the url and linuxdevices announces
19:08.50Bor_Edtime to hit the sack... later
19:18.48pahartikHello Bor_Ed, simonrvn, psychicist
19:21.10psychicistHello pahartik
20:09.05pahartikhas been experimenting with RAID and LVM to get it set up properly on PowerMacintosh 9600 server with new solid-state block storage device and older magnetic disks
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23:49.36simonrvnhi pahartik

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