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| 07:56.10 | yomm | Hi ! Can I build source on PPC just as on i386 architecture ? ( meaning the same packages ) |
| 08:03.27 | Korni| | configure |
| 08:03.28 | Korni| | make |
| 08:03.31 | Korni| | done |
| 08:08.31 | yomm | Korni : I mean can i build from the same source files on PPC as I would on I386 ? |
| 08:09.44 | Korni| | if u want to compile x86 asm that is't possible for sure |
| 08:09.54 | Korni| | +n |
| 08:12.15 | yomm | So I would mainly have to rely on the prebuild packages ? |
| 08:14.58 | pahartik | yomm: All packages included in Debian GNU/Linux archives have been built from common source packages |
| 08:16.07 | yomm | so I can compile just about any source package on PPC , is that correct ? |
| 08:16.49 | yomm | or have they gone trough a special build procedure ? |
| 08:16.52 | pahartik | yomm: For example, see document at "http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vdr"... Observe list of architectures packages are available for |
| 08:17.14 | yomm | pahartik : thank you , I'll check that ! |
| 08:22.54 | pahartik | yomm: If source package sources have been defined in "/etc/apt/sources.list": "apt-get source <package>", "cd" to source folder, "fakeroot debian/rules binary" to build custom package |
| 08:24.22 | pahartik | yomm: Certain utilities and related libraries are needed when building packages |
| 08:25.39 | yomm | pahartik : you are the man :) Thank you ! |
| 08:26.46 | yomm | pahartik , certain PPC-specific utilities & libraries you mean ? |
| 08:31.20 | pahartik | yomm: Libraries that package depends on are needed on any architecture... Utilities to build Debian package are needed on any architecture... |
| 08:34.35 | yomm | pahartik , so just the regular make gcc etc .... , or build-essential |
| 08:34.53 | yomm | that kinda stuff |
| 08:35.14 | yomm | & the package dependencies |
| 08:35.47 | pahartik | yomm: That is what I did refer to |
| 08:36.17 | yomm | ok , just to be clear :) |
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| 14:03.20 | simonrvn | wonders why ppc would be any different for like c source... |
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| 17:33.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, how come ibm750/350@400 has so bad thermal shocks that it stops the cpu :o |
| 17:40.27 | simonrvn | ew. dunno. |
| 17:40.49 | Bor_Ed | well, underclocked to 201 and grepping now temp changes with cron hourly |
| 17:41.14 | Bor_Ed | I think it's time for new cpu module, the psu/logic board fault might have broken something |
| 17:49.28 | simonrvn | yeh :( |
| 17:51.03 | Bor_Ed | oh well, there's upgrade path to basic g4 board on the site I pasted yesterday as the computer lives nowadays without a case :) |
| 17:51.24 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:16.40 | Bor_Ed | http://www.opensparc.net hmm, freescale/ibm/amcc has something to learn from this project :o |
| 18:16.51 | Bor_Ed | sun funded/administrated btw |
| 18:17.49 | simonrvn | mm |
| 18:18.15 | Bor_Ed | mips and arm have both more or less 'free' cores too |
| 18:19.15 | Bor_Ed | though opensparc T1 imo takes the win from what I've read so far, runs on xilinx spartan-3 :) |
| 18:20.55 | simonrvn | holy crap, 8 threads per core (8 total cores) |
| 18:22.18 | simonrvn | damn... i guess you heard about sun being in financial trouble, eh |
| 18:23.21 | psychicist | something good could come out of that, maybe some chinese company can run away with the design so we can all benefit ;) |
| 18:24.10 | Bor_Ed | sun ain't on probs as long as it has slowaris and own cpu IP |
| 18:24.17 | simonrvn | it could, and it could go all proprietary all over again... depending on license. |
| 18:24.50 | simonrvn | there were mumurs a few weeks ago that ibm was thinking of buying sun... i guess that didn't "pan out". |
| 18:24.55 | simonrvn | murmurs* |
| 18:25.15 | Bor_Ed | yea, ibm gave up as sun wanted too much... and I understand that completely |
| 18:25.39 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 18:26.22 | Bor_Ed | ibm has opened its doors to free software too but ditching rs6k platform and moving servers to run x86 virtual platforms was a big mistake imo |
| 18:27.05 | Bor_Ed | starts to think about opensparc t2 for next server platform instead of ppc :o |
| 18:27.44 | psychicist | it's oracle who is buying sun now and I think it's a better fit than ibm |
| 18:28.10 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:28.25 | Bor_Ed | ibm and sun were once heavy competitors |
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| 18:29.33 | psychicist | I've been trying to get opensparc t1 or t2, but have you seen the price of the resource development kit? |
| 18:30.04 | psychicist | I think even ppc using the ydl powerstation is more value for money than that |
| 18:31.46 | Bor_Ed | aww, lost my sun login... but apparently the source code to compile the core is free and one just needs free vhdl/fpga toolkit to compile |
| 18:33.11 | psychicist | I backed up the whole contents of the opensparc site, when rumours on the impending acquisition arose |
| 18:33.49 | Bor_Ed | I just found the core today and it seems worth spending the couple of 100's to xilinxs dev board |
| 18:36.13 | psychicist | if it's only a few 100s of euros/dollars, I think it could be worth it. what kind of performance could you expect from that, though? |
| 18:36.46 | Bor_Ed | better than from my ibm750/200 and better mips/watt too |
| 18:43.30 | psychicist | that looks good, modern sparc "hardware" with decent performance for people with small budgets |
| 18:44.10 | Bor_Ed | 1.4GHz/core and 8 cores on T2... I'd guess it runs ok |
| 18:45.00 | Bor_Ed | 11Gflops/core too... |
| 18:45.22 | Bor_Ed | I guess it'd be usable as replacement :) |
| 18:45.25 | simonrvn | how much wattage does each suck up? |
| 18:45.53 | Bor_Ed | reading on the design/verification guide now... |
| 18:47.28 | Bor_Ed | no word on wattage in that... though as it runs on xilinx basic fpga, my estimate would be 3-7'ish watts |
| 18:47.58 | Bor_Ed | those fpgas are passive with no heatsink |
| 18:49.45 | simonrvn | wow, less than this g3/332 i think |
| 18:50.40 | simonrvn | worst case: 7 W * 8 = 56 W |
| 18:52.00 | simonrvn | man, i'd be looking at a load of 8 and not worry about it. |
| 18:57.34 | Bor_Ed | same here... I've noticed that mips cores tend to keep cool too even with some load at ease... too bad ppc camp doesn't produce affordable platforms :I |
| 18:57.38 | psychicist | the real T2 chips also only have about 125 W of power consumption from what I've read |
| 18:59.00 | Bor_Ed | they run 2GHz+ clocks... |
| 18:59.29 | Bor_Ed | what I read quickly from the spec overview of open T2, it only runs at 1.4 |
| 18:59.41 | simonrvn | omfg |
| 19:00.23 | Bor_Ed | time to move on in the risc arch? :) |
| 19:00.28 | psychicist | I wonder what kind of products the ppc camp target, arm and mips are affordable and low-power |
| 19:00.51 | Bor_Ed | ppc camp is at telco/military currently what I've noticed |
| 19:02.00 | Bor_Ed | automotive too on freescales point of view |
| 19:02.16 | simonrvn | 's mp3 player is arm, and can display common images and play oggs too, but only on-cpu - the firmware blocks it from playing ogg and displaying pix |
| 19:02.19 | psychicist | my first experience with risc was mips, then sparc, then ppc and lately arm. that's what I went through the last two years :) |
| 19:02.57 | Bor_Ed | my first risc was mos6502 :D |
| 19:03.03 | simonrvn | arm EABI or such... |
| 19:03.31 | simonrvn | anyway, gtg, later guys |
| 19:03.44 | Bor_Ed | same here, 10pm and work at 5:30am |
| 19:03.51 | psychicist | later |