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| 08:54.33 | Nationiant | Is it possible to install Debian as the only OS on a Mac Powerbook g3? |
| 09:04.14 | Nationiant | ? |
| 09:31.44 | Bor_Ed | if it's newworld, sure |
| 09:43.31 | Nationiant | I think it's not |
| 10:04.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what's the exact model? |
| 11:09.33 | pahartik | Hello Nationiant |
| 11:31.29 | Nationiant | Hey |
| 11:31.59 | Nationiant | Bor_Ed: Macintosh PowerBook G3 'Bronze', 400MHz, 384mb RAM, 20gb hdd |
| 11:34.06 | Nationiant | And the question was can I install Debian as the only OS to that? It has Mac OS 9.2 (but it won't boot) |
| 11:41.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that's newworld and sure can install debian as only OS |
| 11:41.26 | Bor_Ed | http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ and get netinst iso |
| 11:52.25 | pahartik | Nationiant: If one version of Debian GNU/Linux installer CD does not work, try newer and older versions... |
| 12:05.01 | Nationiant | Well, I have the newest one PPC version avaible on CD |
| 12:05.13 | Nationiant | Where can I download the older ones? |
| 12:05.24 | Nationiant | Bor_Ed: I don't have internet connection on it |
| 12:05.42 | Nationiant | =( |
| 12:20.51 | pahartik | Nationiant: Good question, I did not easily find archive with older CD images of Debian GNU/Linux |
| 12:23.15 | Nationiant | pahartik: I hope any GNU/Linux works on it |
| 12:36.09 | pahartik | Nationiant: Are you located far away from Tampere, Finland? |
| 12:36.33 | Bor_Ed | kponet == keskipohjanmaa afaik |
| 12:37.01 | Bor_Ed | whoops, kainuu :D |
| 13:15.10 | Nationiant | Lol |
| 13:15.22 | Nationiant | Whoa, why did you ask that? |
| 13:15.31 | Nationiant | From here to tampere is hmm about 300-400 kilometres |
| 13:20.37 | pahartik | Nationiant: I might have advertised local Linux users' meeting |
| 13:21.07 | Nationiant | Are you from Finland? |
| 13:24.25 | Bor_Ed | both are yup... I'm hiding in Koskö (next to vaasa) |
| 13:24.28 | pahartik | Nationiant: Yes |
| 13:24.48 | Nationiant | Ok, I'm from Kajaani (check from map if you're interested) |
| 13:25.11 | Nationiant | KPO is short of "kajaanin puhelinosuuskunta" or so |
| 13:25.18 | Nationiant | My net comes from kpo |
| 13:25.31 | Bor_Ed | noticed from whois |
| 13:26.14 | Nationiant | Ok |
| 13:27.08 | Bor_Ed | grmbl, can't seem to get the mips based netbook to boot off from usb |
| 13:29.00 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: My DNS server response includes GPOS record |
| 13:29.24 | Bor_Ed | mine doesn't... yet |
| 13:30.28 | Bor_Ed | probably could add to the ipv6 one |
| 13:30.33 | psychicist | hello Bor_Ed pahartik Nationiant |
| 13:30.42 | Nationiant | psychihist Hello |
| 13:30.48 | Nationiant | err |
| 13:30.51 | psychicist | Bor_Ed: what kind of netbook do you have? |
| 13:30.59 | Nationiant | psychicist Hello you there |
| 13:30.59 | Bor_Ed | belco alpha-400 |
| 13:31.16 | Bor_Ed | aka trendtac epc 700 and whatnot |
| 13:31.34 | psychicist | I have the trendtac epc 700 |
| 13:31.49 | Bor_Ed | this is same hardware |
| 13:32.47 | pahartik | Hello psychicist |
| 13:32.49 | Bor_Ed | been trying to get 3MX distro in for a while, probably need to write new u-boot before I can do that since bestlink has limited the bootloader even more than it is on most other brands |
| 13:36.05 | psychicist | I haven't tried to boot off usb yet, so far I've just been trying to build QEMU and a few tools with support for the Ingenic SoC following the guides linked at http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Ingenic |
| 13:39.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, there are ready packages on ingenic site iirc |
| 13:39.28 | Bor_Ed | and gcc-mipsel port supports compiling for linux/ingenic target |
| 13:42.36 | psychicist | I know, but I generally don't run debian as my primary distribution and would like to experiment in an emulator first before trying with real hardware |
| 13:42.47 | Bor_Ed | rite |
| 13:43.54 | psychicist | has a history porting slackware to a few architectures, but likes debian too |
| 13:48.23 | Bor_Ed | I'm trying to get 3rd party port up before building debian image for the netbook |
| 13:52.13 | psychicist | I wanted to try the 2.6.24.3 kernel (patched for jz support) I've built and see if a newer upstream kernel could support this hardware out of the box instead of having to apply an external patch that isn't updated anymore it seems |
| 13:53.17 | Bor_Ed | well, if you have the serial port drawn from connector and ttl->rs232 levels converter around, no harm done unless you decide to rewrite the bootloader partition too |
| 13:56.43 | psychicist | hmm, I don't think I have a serial connector and I've only read about a jtag that connects to the ethernet port. I'm not really familiar with low-level hardware hacking, though |
| 13:57.29 | Bor_Ed | trendtac has u-boot debug to the onboard serial port hiding behind battery |
| 13:58.14 | Bor_Ed | jtag is inly needed if you manage to blow the u-boot upgrade |
| 14:00.13 | psychicist | I'm opening the battery part now, but I don't have the requisite tools for connecting to it at the moment |
| 14:01.10 | Bor_Ed | I soldered wires to the motherbord and took the connector outside of the case for debugging |
| 14:02.46 | psychicist | is it the four-pin connector to the left of the battery connector? |
| 14:03.23 | Bor_Ed | yup... with non-standart connector |
| 14:06.06 | psychicist | do you have any directions on what you did and how to use it to flash a new image? |
| 14:07.11 | Bor_Ed | it allows interacting to u-boot console... just backup the mtd partitions you're about to alter and burn new ones over |
| 14:07.28 | psychicist | I've never worked with embedded hardware before so all these connectors and soldering is very new to me |
| 14:07.32 | Bor_Ed | u-boot manual and hyves.nl site has been my sources so far |
| 14:07.57 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to get jtag to the board to start really messing around :D |
| 14:08.57 | psychicist | okay, I'll have a look at those. I wanted to order the jtag before messing around too :) |
| 14:09.19 | Bor_Ed | mtd partitions to backup, 0 (Loader), 1 (Kernel) and 3 (MAC)... install itself can be written over 3 (mini rootfs) == initrd and 4 (rootfs SSFDC) |
| 14:09.46 | Bor_Ed | oh well, back to do 'something' with the kids |
| 14:09.52 | psychicist | I also have a hi-vision mini-note with a broken screen, I think I'll mess with that one before messing this one too |
| 14:10.12 | psychicist | thanks, I'll try what you've suggested |
| 14:10.48 | Bor_Ed | good luck |
| 16:03.37 | simonrvn | tried booting the OW mac with grub2, but i forgot that OF version ignores anything after the disk in the `boot' command.... |
| 17:00.21 | Bor_Ed | hmm, 2.04f? :) |
| 17:04.17 | pahartik | simonrvn: So OldWorld system requires "GRUB" to be on "blessed" filesystem |
| 17:04.58 | simonrvn | 2.0f1 |
| 17:05.16 | simonrvn | i did that, but probably incompletely |
| 17:06.03 | simonrvn | the partition number gets ignored... |
| 17:06.26 | Bor_Ed | aww, it was f1, not 1f... |
| 17:06.36 | Bor_Ed | good ol' beige g3 rev a :) |
| 17:07.54 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 17:07.58 | pahartik | simonrvn: I would have tried "GRUB" on PowerMacintosh 5500, but it does not boot up again, after being some hours without power |
| 17:08.07 | simonrvn | boots off a pci scsi fine |
| 17:08.39 | Bor_Ed | has sold the beige g3 and now has b&w g3 without case running in the closet |
| 17:08.47 | simonrvn | but ofpath doesn't find it.. the tools need some serious updating. |
| 17:09.30 | pahartik | simonrvn: Probably needs to get capacitors or some other components of PSU replaced |
| 17:09.45 | simonrvn | the battery maybe |
| 17:11.23 | pahartik | simonrvn: If battery is empty, it still needs to have some component replaced, as I got new battery few moons ago |
| 17:11.41 | simonrvn | oh ok. |
| 17:12.13 | simonrvn | it should get a trickle charge from the power cord; if it doesn't then the psu does need tending to. |
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| 17:13.41 | pahartik | simonrvn: That system was difficult to boot 130 days ago, but back then it succeeded after while of repeating |
| 17:14.40 | simonrvn | that seems familiar.. did you check some of the mac ppc lists, like at lowendmac.com? |
| 17:16.28 | pahartik | simonrvn: I do not know what that problem is all about, but PSU is suspected |
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| 18:35.12 | icedwater | Hello, I have a question about a D-Link usb wireless card. |
| 18:35.26 | icedwater | Basically, it can't get an IP. |
| 18:35.52 | icedwater | I tried installing rt73-common from the repos (on Etch PPC) but I can't seem to modprobe the modules after that.. |
| 18:43.15 | simonrvn | 1) why are you still using etch? |
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| 19:53.23 | Deformative | Apparently I already have a web server open. |
| 19:53.25 | Deformative | Not apache. |
| 19:53.30 | Deformative | How do I figure out what server it is? |
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| 20:32.00 | simonrvn | *ahem* ps |
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