IRC log for #debianppc on 20090914

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01:53.33yggdrasilgood evening
01:53.52yggdrasilive worked a bit on my xserver problem here and wondering if i hould go to unstable instead of leny
01:54.30yggdrasilany one have any input on this ?
02:23.13simonrvntry squeeze first
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03:31.46yggdrasilabrotman seems to think i should focus on why its acting up to begin with.
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04:13.06pahartikyggdrasil: You have problem
04:41.40yggdrasilyes sorry
04:41.53yggdrasilthis is my childs computer im working on
04:42.03yggdrasiland she got ahold of the keyboard whiel i was in the other room.
04:42.19yggdrasili got that x problem fixed, jsut a matter of the right xorg.
04:46.10simonrvnyggdrasil: so you got squeeze going?
04:46.50simonrvnwhen you had asked about installing sid, it reminded me of a bug in some old version of xorg
04:47.09simonrvn..that had to do with some ati cards...
04:47.46simonrvn...and using sid is a moving target; using squeeze, not so much, and you get new stuff (after being screened)....
04:47.58simonrvnso i figured that was your best bet.
04:50.12simonrvnblah
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04:51.48yggdrasilsimonrvn: no, just edited the xorg.conf
04:51.56yggdrasilbut somethings still not quite right.
04:52.01yggdrasiljsut didnt recognize that until now
04:52.07yggdrasilum you think squeze would fix it up ?
04:52.36simonrvnoh, neat
04:52.42simonrvnit might, depending
04:53.33yggdrasilhmm
04:53.34simonrvnfor instance, if i don't set AGP to 4 and accelmode to EXA, the xserver locks up the machine
04:53.36yggdrasilyea i think its a bug
04:53.53yggdrasilhmm
04:54.06simonrvnthe default accelmode changed recently, more recently than lenny release
04:54.15simonrvnthan the*
04:54.15yggdrasilwell i mean the way xorg works these days your not really supposed to edit up the xorg.conf at all really
04:54.18yggdrasilhmm.
04:54.33simonrvnno, but it doesn't always do The Right Thing (TM)
04:54.34yggdrasilits much different than i remember, havnt had to muck around in there lately
04:54.37yggdrasilyea
04:54.41yggdrasili think this is abug
04:54.51yggdrasilso for instance what i found to be the main problem .. i think
04:54.58simonrvnthat's why i have one. buggy acpi on this POC
04:55.03yggdrasilis that its giving this wierd error about the memory.
04:55.24simonrvnyes, i noticed that, hence my earlier suggestion to use squeeze's
04:55.24yggdrasilwell so let me jsut ask, because this is a brand new install anyway so im not too worried about screwing it up
04:55.49yggdrasilwhat do i change in the apt sources list to update to squeeze ?
04:55.51simonrvndid you get around to checking the bts?
04:56.05yggdrasilyea its just
04:56.06yggdrasiljunk
04:56.09simonrvnabrotman told you in the other channel ;)
04:56.14yggdrasilnothing really there althought
04:56.16simonrvnravenbird: lenny->squeeze
04:56.18ravenbirdAt present, it should be no more difficult than s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while.  If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny.
04:56.19yggdrasilyea he did but im just not sure
04:56.34yggdrasilright
04:56.37yggdrasilum
04:56.39simonrvnravenbird: lenny->squeeze =~ s,on your,in your,
04:56.40ravenbirdOK, simonrvn
04:56.49yggdrasilthanks
04:57.01yggdrasilitsl ike s/ lenny/squeze/ means nott much to me
04:57.05yggdrasilis it a vi command ?
04:57.22simonrvnsubstitute lenny for squeeze in sources.list
04:57.38yggdrasilyea
04:57.39simonrvnin vim it'd be :%s,lenny,squeeze,g
04:57.44yggdrasils/ means subsitute ?
04:57.49simonrvnand double check it ;)
04:57.49yggdrasilha is that some sort of standard ?
04:58.00simonrvnyes, it's derived from sed
04:58.17simonrvnmany other languages use that too
04:58.55simonrvnperl, c, ruby, python, awk (sorta), ...
04:59.14yggdrasilinteresting
04:59.15yggdrasilthanks
04:59.18simonrvnnp
04:59.22yggdrasilok well here goes
04:59.35yggdrasilthe thing is i know it works because i had ubuntu on here and the xorg worked well
05:00.04simonrvnyeh, they have a newer one
05:00.51yggdrasilright
05:01.08yggdrasilexcept everything else sucked
05:01.14yggdrasilhaha well not sucked but was bloated
05:01.23yggdrasiland i was really having a hard time getting any codecs to work
05:01.27yggdrasilit was pretty funny
05:04.27simonrvnthing is with ubuntu, is that they install everything in gnome, and subsequenetly makes the whole thing large and bloated, plus extras so that people don't have to do much else to make it Just Work (TM). however, for more experienced people, that just means more work removing stuff.... anyway, it doesn't always Just Work (TM), because peecees and macs aren't geared for linux (though less so now, but still).
05:09.12yggdrasilaye
05:09.28yggdrasilyour true
05:09.43yggdrasilwell im not afraid of putting debian on this ut i expected xorg to work at the very least
05:09.48yggdrasilyou know
05:10.08yggdrasili mean thats pretty bad when something as basic as this doesnt work.
05:10.17yggdrasilok bbl
05:10.20yggdrasilkid is acting up here
05:11.43simonrvn'k
05:12.50yggdrasilGet:203 http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/main xserver-xorg-input-wacom 0.8.3.2-1 [70.3kB]
05:12.54yggdrasilGet:204 http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/main xserver-xorg-video-all 1:7.4+4 [30.0kB]
05:12.57yggdrasilGet:205 http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/main xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.3-1+b1 [2320kB]
05:13.00yggdrasilwhoo hoo
05:13.14simonrvnweee
05:13.18yggdrasilyar
05:13.26yggdrasilseriously must go now
05:16.07simonrvnhave fun :)
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06:31.55yggdrasilsimonrvn: worked like a charm
06:38.48simonrvnyay
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14:27.48yggdrasilyar morning
14:38.23Bor_Edarrrr
15:08.23yggdrasilyo bor_ed
15:08.39yggdrasili saw your nick in one of the bug posts i was reading
15:12.15Bor_Edwhich? :) been reporting and trying to solve various bugs in the past and present
15:22.32yggdrasilnot sure
15:22.53yggdrasilbut i had lenny, and it was giving me some wierd problems with xserver on this imac g4 slot loader
15:23.06yggdrasilsomething a bout bad memory allocation , in the xorg.log
15:23.12yggdrasili jsut upgraded to squeeze
15:23.15yggdrasiland ti fixed it
15:24.03yggdrasilwhats the best way to get flash going on this thing ? gnash ?
15:24.08yggdrasilHostname: RedMac - OS: Linux 2.6.30-1-powerpc/ppc - CPU: Motorola PowerPC G4 740/750 (400.000000MHz) - Processes: 100 - Uptime: 9h 34m - Load Average: 0.38 - Memory Usage: 191.09MB/753.91MB (25.35%) - Disk Usage: 3.88GB/35.93GB (10.80%)
15:24.38Bor_Edgnash works ok
15:24.48yggdrasiland java 5 or 6 ?
15:24.56Bor_Edlatest ibm offering
15:25.05yggdrasilyar
15:25.08Bor_Edwith that opensource wrapper thingy
15:25.15yggdrasiluh oh
15:25.40Bor_Edgcjwebplugin that is...
15:25.43yggdrasilThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:25.43yggdrasil<PROTECTED>
15:25.46yggdrasil<PROTECTED>
15:25.57Bor_Edget ibm java 1.6 from their site
15:26.07yggdrasilhmm
15:26.08yggdrasilok
15:26.14Bor_Edp-series 32 bitter for 'g3' or 'g4'
15:26.25yggdrasildidnt knwo there was such a thing
15:26.29Bor_Edsure is
15:26.36Bor_Edibm co-developed java :)
15:27.17Bor_Edbtw, you better off to get the sdk from ibm developerworks, it includes the runtime and you might need the developer files too time to time
15:28.38pahartikyggdrasil: Appropriate way is to avoid "Content-Type: application/x-shockwave-flash" entirely
15:28.56yggdrasilhehe
15:29.02yggdrasilill work on that
15:32.12Bor_Edj00t00b is pretty hard to use without flash :/
15:36.49pahartikBor_Ed: Because of that, I have never used it
15:37.26Bor_Edpuritist :)
15:37.52Bor_Edthere's other *tube services too that can be interesting every now and then 'for educational purposes' :P
15:40.32pahartikBor_Ed: To see video content, I expect to get URL I can pass to "gxine", "Totem (GStreamer)" or "VLC"
15:40.32Bor_Edworks too
15:40.32Bor_EdI tend to block ads with ab+ inside shiretoko
15:46.46yggdrasil32-bit iSeries/pSeries
15:46.50yggdrasilis taht the version i need ?
15:47.17Bor_Edpseries
15:47.47yggdrasilis that a no ?
15:47.48yggdrasil;)
15:48.16yggdrasiluggh password
15:49.00Bor_Edthe site requires registration to be able to download the thingy... ibm doesn't spam though
15:50.21Bor_Edhttps://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=swg-sdk6&S_PKG=ipseries32_6sr5&S_TACT=105AGX05&S_CMP=JDK direct link to login / registration
15:52.09yggdrasilkk
15:53.08Bor_Edgrmbl, I've lost my developerworks login as it's expired
15:57.04yggdrasilhehe
15:57.05yggdrasildamit
15:57.11yggdrasilworks calling ill have to deal with java later
15:57.12yggdrasil:(
16:00.12Bor_Edsuch is life
17:32.10yggdrasilnow to install this i just copy the jre file into say /usr/bin ?
17:32.41Bor_Edtar xzvf package.tar.gz /usr/local/
17:33.14Bor_Edbetter off to get that to ^ path as you need to tune up libpath and path to the corresponding directories anyway
17:33.38yggdrasilok
17:35.19yggdrasiloh hey i only got the jer
17:35.21yggdrasiljre
17:35.27yggdrasili should get the sdk huh
17:35.44Bor_Edjdk or sdk... whatever it was again
17:35.53Bor_Edcomes with same 'price'
17:36.14yggdrasilok then i have ibm-java-ppc-60 in the /usr/local/ path
17:36.54Bor_Edyup, and you need to add libpath and path to environment variables to the dirs where you installed it
17:37.26yggdrasilis there a how to on this ?
17:37.32yggdrasilset env something im assuming
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17:40.03Bor_Edexport LIBPATH=$LIBPATH;/some/where and similar with PATH
17:40.19yggdrasilyggdrasil@RedMac:~$ set env path=/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/bin
17:40.19yggdrasilyggdrasil@RedMac:~$ set env libpath=/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/lib
17:40.27yggdrasilahh thanks
17:41.20yggdrasilyou will have to excuse my retardedness here man. im sorry
17:41.21Bor_Edand then try java --version ... should give the yadayada
17:41.22yggdrasilexport LIBPATH=$LIBPATH;/usr/bin/ib-java-ppc-60/lib
17:41.25yggdrasil?
17:41.44Bor_Ed^ command tells if the setup is correct
17:47.00yggdrasilim really trying here
17:48.17yggdrasilyggdrasil@RedMac:/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/lib/ppc$ export LIBPATH=$LIBPATH;/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/lib/ppc/libjava.so
17:48.20yggdrasilSegmentation fault
17:51.54Bor_Edwhoops, could've been $LIBPATH:/yada/yada too
17:52.47yggdrasilis it jsut looking for the java lib directory ?
17:53.05yggdrasil/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/lib/ppc ?
17:53.20Bor_Ednope... my bad... the correct char is ':' instead of ';'
17:53.52yggdrasilahh better
17:55.28Bor_Edthere's some sort of INSTALL file in the ibm tarball too to help as it's been time since I messed with the setup
17:55.39yggdrasili didnt see it.
17:55.51yggdrasili made a mistake how can i und oit
17:56.12yggdrasil<PROTECTED>
17:56.18yggdrasilinstead of  export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/bin/
17:56.35yggdrasili mean i did jre/bin/ppc
17:56.43Bor_Edthat's no harm done
17:56.54Bor_Edjust add the correct path too
17:57.02yggdrasilyggdrasil@RedMac:/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/bin$ java -version
17:57.02yggdrasildl failure on line 739Error: failed /usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/lib/ppc/j9vm/libjvm.so, because libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
17:57.46yggdrasilso lets see its going into j9vm dir
17:58.05Bor_Edeasiest is to reboot (yuck) or to add /usr/lib to LIBPATH
17:58.50yggdrasilhhmm
17:58.55yggdrasilyea im not into reboot
17:59.05yggdrasil/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/bin$ export LIBPATH=$LIBPATH:/usr/lib
17:59.17yggdrasilsam thing.
17:59.27yggdrasiloh i wonder if its a permissionsissue
17:59.28Bor_Edmight want to add /lib too
17:59.56yggdrasilhmm nope
17:59.59yggdrasilstill acting out
18:00.22yggdrasili bet its cuz the path j9vm isnt there
18:00.38Bor_Edhit 'salute' to the box if you don't have anything important running on it
18:01.04yggdrasilheh
18:01.07yggdrasilallrighty
18:01.09yggdrasilsee you on the other side
18:01.18yggdrasilactually lunchtime too bbl
18:01.40yggdrasiloh and thank you very appreciated, plus thsi has always been somethign thats bugged me with java on debian.
18:01.43yggdrasilso its goot to learn
18:01.55Bor_Edibm java rules on ppc
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19:19.20yggdrasilyar back
19:20.13Bor_Edarr! 10:20pm and about to give up for the day... though gf online so can't just yet
19:20.14yggdrasilBor_Ed: so that had the opposite effect. removed all path stuff.
19:20.26yggdrasilhmm
19:20.28yggdrasilyar
19:20.32yggdrasilwhere you at ?
19:20.35yggdrasileurope ?
19:21.09yggdrasilyggdrasil@RedMac:~$ java -version
19:21.09yggdrasil-bash: java: command not found
19:21.12yggdrasilbummer
19:22.21Bor_Edexport the path to PATH=$PATH:/what/ever/ and you'll get the java there
19:23.23yggdrasil/usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/bin/j9vm
19:23.36yggdrasilor /usr/local/ibm-java-ppc-60/jre/bin ?
19:25.15Bor_Edlater
19:25.19yggdrasileasy man thanks
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