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| 02:51.41 | BackInAcTion | hello |
| 02:52.00 | BackInAcTion | I have a Power Macintosh G3 Blue & White and cannot get it to boot into Open Firmware |
| 02:52.20 | BackInAcTion | I am using a PC keyboard [USB] with the standard Windows and Alt keys... |
| 02:53.47 | BackInAcTion | I tried Command-Option-O-F, or, in my case, Windows-Alt-O-F, to no avail |
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| 03:58.58 | adb | hi, does imac g4 may boot from usb stick drive ? |
| 06:20.55 | pahartik | BackInAcTion: If you have MacOS X or Debian GNU/Linux installed, you could set "auto-boot?=false" with "nvset" or "nvsetenv"... |
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| 16:39.56 | BackInAcTion | pahartik: err...this Mac has only Mac OS 9.2.1... |
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| 19:13.21 | simonrvn | BackInAcTion: you can use "Boot Variables" or "System Disk" for os 9.x |
| 19:26.44 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: I tried using System Disk, and I tried telling it to boot off of the Debian CD, but it didn't work |
| 19:27.17 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: so, I clicked on Advanced User (OpenFirmware), and clicked on the Advanced Options button and checked "Stop boot at Open Firmware prompt" |
| 19:27.52 | BackInAcTion | Bad idea, the Mac just doesn't boot anymore, nor do I get a Open Firmware prompt on the screen :( |
| 19:28.05 | simonrvn | stick the cd in, reboot; BEFORE the boing, hold down option, if the firmware is new enough (i'm unsure) it'll show you a gui of sorts, showing you bootable devices and 2 buttons |
| 19:28.32 | simonrvn | you can always zap the pram too. |
| 19:28.48 | BackInAcTion | Let me go see if it's booted to OS 9 yet... |
| 19:29.04 | BackInAcTion | Nope |
| 19:29.19 | BackInAcTion | Holding down Command-Option-P-R does nothing |
| 19:29.41 | BackInAcTion | goes off to try holding down the Windows key _before_ the boing |
| 19:32.01 | BackInAcTion | OK, so I stick the CD in, and held down the Windows key [which, I presume, is the Option key], and then while still holding down the Windows key, pressed the reboot button on the front of the Mac |
| 19:32.16 | BackInAcTion | It doesn't give me a GUI of sorts... |
| 19:32.54 | BackInAcTion | so uhh...how do I zap the PRAM if the keyboard doesn't seem to be working at all during very early boot? |
| 19:33.52 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: Mac OS 9.2.1's System Profiler said the Boot ROM version was 1.1f4 |
| 19:34.00 | simonrvn | no, the windows key is command, you want alt |
| 19:34.11 | BackInAcTion | oh |
| 19:34.16 | BackInAcTion | I see... |
| 19:34.20 | BackInAcTion | I'll brb |
| 19:34.53 | simonrvn | the modifier keys you hold before the letters otherwise it won't 'take' |
| 19:35.05 | simonrvn | !macmodels |
| 19:35.10 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/KbTopic8 or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 19:35.32 | simonrvn | oops, check the latter one, i need to fix the former link |
| 19:37.51 | BackInAcTion | OK, I held down Alt with the Debian PPC Squeeze "testing" CD in the CD-ROM drive, and then pressed the reboot button on the front of the Mac, and now, the Mac has the VGA LCD I connected to it On, but nothing displays on the screen [??]... |
| 19:39.21 | simonrvn | no, after it boots, and before the boing |
| 19:40.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:40.33 | BackInAcTion | OK, uhh...Macs with OF are very unforgiving |
| 19:41.12 | simonrvn | can be yes |
| 19:43.48 | BackInAcTion | well...hmm...I hold down Alt very soon after I press the reboot button [right before the boing], and soon after that, the Debian CD spins up in the CD-ROM drive, but I get nothing on the display |
| 19:44.19 | simonrvn | it doesn't turn on the monitor? |
| 19:44.39 | BackInAcTion | it hasn't yet |
| 19:44.48 | simonrvn | mm ok |
| 19:45.30 | BackInAcTion | And...it still hasn't...the display's power LED is Amber, which means there is no VGA signal... |
| 19:45.49 | simonrvn | ok, take it down, pull the pram battery out, let it sit for about a minute. do you have a battery tester or some other current testing device? |
| 19:46.37 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: no, I do not have a battery tester or some other current testing device. Is the PRAM battery that large blue battery on the logic board? |
| 19:47.10 | simonrvn | it should be cylindrical in shape, in a black enclosure. |
| 19:47.15 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: it is |
| 19:47.36 | BackInAcTion | OK, it's time to pull the PRAM battery out yet again |
| 19:47.40 | simonrvn | gently remove the enclosure, and pull it the battery out |
| 19:48.04 | simonrvn | hm, can you see a small metallic-looking button on the mobo? |
| 19:48.52 | simonrvn | it's about 5 mm in diameter |
| 19:50.16 | simonrvn | i kinda doubt you'll find one, but that thing is the first newworld, so it has traits of both |
| 19:50.49 | BackInAcTion | Yes, it's to the left of the PRAM battery |
| 19:51.05 | simonrvn | hold that down for about 20-30 seconds |
| 19:51.13 | BackInAcTion | ok |
| 19:53.48 | BackInAcTion | Opps, I mistaked that "button" with a logic board mounting screw, heh...anyways, I actually did find a button, it was below the battery |
| 19:54.01 | BackInAcTion | so, I did what you said to that button |
| 19:55.29 | simonrvn | ok, so stick the battery back in, and boot the thing, and zap the pram |
| 19:55.47 | simonrvn | make it boing 3 times |
| 19:55.57 | simonrvn | then let the keys go |
| 20:00.50 | BackInAcTion | OK, after letting it boing 3 times, I got somewhere. It has the Mac system folder appearing on the display, alternating between a black question mark and the signature Finder smiling face logo, which I assume means it cannot find the Mac system folder anymore |
| 20:01.44 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: the hard drive is a SCSI |
| 20:01.56 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: the CD-ROM drive is ATA... |
| 20:07.32 | BackInAcTion | I just found out from the NetBSD/macppc install docs that this Power Mac G3 Blue and White has Open Firmware version 3 |
| 20:08.35 | simonrvn | hi, moment pls, be afk few more |
| 20:10.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:11.42 | BackInAcTion | uhh...now I'm just going to have to see if this mac will recognize the Command-Option-P-R key combo now |
| 20:11.59 | simonrvn | yeh. ok since now you have video etc. i'd try the option key before boing thing |
| 20:12.00 | BackInAcTion | Whoa! |
| 20:12.02 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:12.08 | BackInAcTion | Hold on, it booted Debian |
| 20:12.20 | simonrvn | wassup? cool :). nm then :) |
| 20:13.04 | BackInAcTion | wait... |
| 20:13.14 | BackInAcTion | it's at yaboot, and the keyboard doesn't work |
| 20:13.18 | BackInAcTion | :( |
| 20:13.49 | simonrvn | needed a "deep zap" or "deep purge" of the pram, probably some corruption of some sort. yeh... um there should be something about that in the debian install docs |
| 20:13.52 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 20:13.54 | ravenbird | The Debian Installation Guide for lenny (5.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . |
| 20:16.07 | BackInAcTion | simonrvn: where in the install docs? |
| 20:16.30 | simonrvn | i'm not sure, sorry |
| 20:21.16 | BackInAcTion | hmmm...it's too bad yaboot doesn't seem to have a timeout option like GRUB for PCs does |
| 20:24.30 | BackInAcTion | Heh, no wonder Open Firmware didn't recognize Alt early in the boot process\ |
| 20:25.03 | BackInAcTion | guesses that he would need a ADB keyboard just to type in 'install' at the yaboot prompt and then press enter on it... |
| 20:28.16 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.39 | simonrvn | hmm, looks to be the case unless you can get the thing to go on a timeout |
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