| 00:01.50 | djanatyn | Yep. |
| 00:02.00 | djanatyn | I have x11 working as well. |
| 00:02.07 | djanatyn | I just need to configure sound |
| 00:02.51 | Marfi | djanatyn: Alright. I'm also ditching Arch Linux for Debian on the ppc |
| 00:02.58 | djanatyn | Cool. |
| 00:03.05 | djanatyn | Hey, are you M|Afk? |
| 00:03.15 | djanatyn | I tried to answer you, but...you were "gone". :) |
| 00:06.36 | simonrvn | Marfi is now known as M|afk |
| 00:06.49 | simonrvn | about 2 hours ago |
| 00:07.07 | djanatyn | Ah. |
| 00:07.17 | djanatyn | Well, I could walk you through setting up x11. |
| 00:07.23 | djanatyn | It was pretty simple for me. |
| 00:07.27 | peterrooney | djanatyn: alsaconf as root, and be sure to add your regular user accounts to group audio before letting them run alsamixer. |
| 00:08.14 | djanatyn | ...that was eas. |
| 00:08.18 | djanatyn | *easy |
| 00:08.28 | djanatyn | Man, things are a lot simpler with Debian :) |
| 00:10.29 | djanatyn | Yay! Thank you so much. |
| 00:10.47 | simonrvn | though alsaconf is deprecated/gone in some versions of debian. on p it's easy though, unless you have an extra sound card. echo snd-powermac >> /etc/modules (or snd-aoa) |
| 00:11.17 | simonrvn | on ppc* |
| 00:16.54 | saltmiser | actually |
| 00:17.00 | saltmiser | I just ran alsaconf today to configure my sound |
| 00:17.12 | saltmiser | beacuse I was too lazy to google what the sound module is for these G4's |
| 00:17.29 | simonrvn | the former one, fyi |
| 00:18.48 | djanatyn | is running a PowerPC G4/ |
| 00:19.08 | simonrvn | nice boxen, even today |
| 00:19.19 | simonrvn | even for* |
| 00:19.45 | djanatyn | + |
| 00:19.48 | djanatyn | oh, sorry. |
| 00:28.48 | saltmiser | yeah |
| 00:28.52 | saltmiser | it's legit, i'm doing the same thing |
| 00:28.55 | saltmiser | mines just an iBook |
| 00:40.34 | djanatyn | Hey, I'm completely new to Debian. |
| 00:40.43 | djanatyn | I've been trying to compile zsnes with very limited success. |
| 00:40.53 | djanatyn | I can't get apt-get install to install it, and I'm not that familiar with apt. |
| 00:41.07 | djanatyn | I think I have the correct .deb file. Could you show me how to install it? |
| 00:41.14 | djanatyn | (man, I feel like a linux n00b again) |
| 00:43.41 | saltmiser | welll |
| 00:43.57 | saltmiser | in /etc/apt/sources.list (the repository links) |
| 00:44.01 | djanatyn | Umm. |
| 00:44.11 | djanatyn | Man, I feel stupid saying this, but someone else helped me out :) |
| 00:44.16 | djanatyn | dpkg rocks, though. |
| 00:44.19 | saltmiser | oh lol |
| 00:44.28 | saltmiser | I was gonna suggest adding contrib and non-free to your source lists |
| 00:44.36 | saltmiser | do you know about those three repos? |
| 00:44.54 | djanatyn | Nope. |
| 00:45.15 | djanatyn | But I would like to know about them :) |
| 00:45.18 | saltmiser | well in debian theres the "main" repo where "main" packages are |
| 00:45.25 | saltmiser | like a lot of standard ones |
| 00:45.26 | djanatyn | *nod* |
| 00:45.38 | saltmiser | then there's contrib with a lot of user contributed packages (maybe zsnes was in there?) |
| 00:45.57 | saltmiser | then non-free that has packages not so gnu license friendly |
| 00:46.42 | saltmiser | in that file I mentioned, you'll see it has "main" already, you would just append contrib and non-free after main |
| 00:47.03 | saltmiser | if you're using synamptic at all you can rig that in there instead of editing text files |
| 00:47.47 | saltmiser | but yeah debian's package system is really nice |
| 00:47.51 | saltmiser | that's why I use it really |
| 00:49.03 | djanatyn | synaptic? |
| 00:49.05 | djanatyn | What is that? |
| 00:49.11 | djanatyn | has been using apt-get |
| 00:49.22 | saltmiser | synaptic is just a cool gui front end to apt-get |
| 00:49.26 | saltmiser | that lets you browse packages and stuff |
| 00:49.34 | saltmiser | ubuntu makes extensive use of it.. |
| 00:50.14 | saltmiser | though I'm good with packages.debian.org and apt-get :P |
| 01:36.01 | Marfi | saltmiser: They have changed their main package manager a bit |
| 01:36.29 | saltmiser | mm |
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| 04:11.20 | saltmiser | alright so |
| 04:11.33 | saltmiser | I'm running LXDE here with PCmanFM and it can automount a flash drive when I plug it in |
| 04:11.50 | saltmiser | however, when I fire up my 1.5TB external hard drive (usb), it never mounts...why? |
| 04:12.20 | saltmiser | I can mount it "by hand" as root in the commnad line, but that's kinda inconvenient (obviously) with the writing permissions and such |
| 04:12.52 | Marfi | saltmiser: What file system? |
| 04:13.26 | saltmiser | fat32 |
| 04:13.38 | Marfi | You could put it in your /etc/fstab |
| 04:13.39 | saltmiser | yeah I'm getting near the limit :P lol |
| 04:14.12 | saltmiser | yeah, but how do I make it so a user can write to it then? |
| 04:15.11 | Marfi | Mount it rw |
| 04:15.26 | saltmiser | hm |
| 04:15.32 | saltmiser | I'm gonna boot into xfce quick brb |
| 04:15.39 | saltmiser | see if thunar and friends can do it ;P |
| 04:15.41 | Marfi | Or have it mount with hal. =) |
| 04:15.49 | saltmiser | well that's what I'm trying to do actually |
| 04:15.55 | saltmiser | PCmanFM is set to use hal to mount it |
| 04:16.01 | saltmiser | and it won't; it can mount normal 4gb fat32 flashdrives |
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| 04:44.03 | saltmiser | wow |
| 04:44.12 | saltmiser | xfce looks a lot nicer on gtk apps than lxde does |
| 04:44.14 | saltmiser | for good reason I guess |
| 04:44.22 | djanatyn | xfce is indeed nice. |
| 04:44.52 | saltmiser | still won't mount the external hdd though :( |
| 04:44.57 | saltmiser | gnome always managed to do it |
| 04:45.04 | saltmiser | but gnome is a little intense for these G4's |
| 04:45.13 | saltmiser | well, ehh |
| 04:45.23 | saltmiser | not really, this used to run gnome alright but xfce runs a lot nicer |
| 04:50.30 | djanatyn | GNOME, intense? |
| 04:50.38 | djanatyn | The G4 that I'm using can manage GNOME |
| 05:11.00 | saltmiser | yeah it can |
| 05:11.08 | saltmiser | xfce just runs a lot faster and responsive |
| 05:11.10 | saltmiser | etc |
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| 06:14.08 | Marfi | Quick question. Are there any other repositories that can be used other than the ones that come with Debian? It seems that when I comment out the CDrom in the repos, nothing will update. =) |
| 06:14.29 | saltmiser | you got some http repositories right? |
| 06:15.10 | Marfi | I only have security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org |
| 06:16.03 | Marfi | I think I may have found what I wanted |
| 06:16.28 | Marfi | saltmiser: Do you need to manually add the repos? |
| 06:16.32 | saltmiser | yeah |
| 06:16.39 | saltmiser | find a mirror near you |
| 06:16.43 | saltmiser | and then I have something like |
| 06:16.55 | saltmiser | deb http://mirrors.bloomu.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 06:16.59 | saltmiser | deb-src " " |
| 06:17.33 | saltmiser | I wouldn't use that mirror though unless you're in eastern pennsylvania :P |
| 06:17.52 | saltmiser | for me, that server is about 1000 feet away from where I'm sitting sooo |
| 06:17.52 | saltmiser | yeah |
| 06:17.54 | saltmiser | mad fast ;D |
| 06:17.56 | Marfi | I'm used to Ubuntu having them pre-configured. =P |
| 06:18.11 | saltmiser | indeed; well if you're used to ubuntu you should install synamptic |
| 06:18.18 | saltmiser | or however you spell it |
| 06:18.23 | saltmiser | does ubuntu have a ppc distro? |
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| 06:19.20 | Marfi | The only one is puppy to my knowledge |
| 06:19.31 | Marfi | I was using Arch for this computer, and wanted something with more support for older systems |
| 06:21.55 | Marfi | What is the newest kernel for ppc? 2.6.26? |
| 06:24.02 | saltmiser | hm |
| 06:24.06 | saltmiser | Linux pioneer 2.6.26-2-powerpc ppc |
| 06:24.10 | saltmiser | yeah that's what I'm using |
| 06:24.13 | saltmiser | I'm running debian lenny though |
| 06:24.20 | saltmiser | yeah ubuntu has a ppc distro |
| 06:25.04 | Marfi | How up-to-date security is it? I'll be taking it to a security conference in a few weeks |
| 06:25.40 | saltmiser | uh |
| 06:25.49 | saltmiser | I'd imagine somewhat? I'm not sure sorry lol |
| 06:25.57 | Marfi | Hehe, aighty |
| 06:26.55 | saltmiser | I tried openbsd on this one, and it didn't work out that well |
| 06:27.00 | saltmiser | some crap with the hardware dind't work out right |
| 06:27.14 | saltmiser | had to do with keyboard input; it'd get all distorted then it'd crash a few minutes later |
| 06:27.25 | saltmiser | so yeah no idea what that was about.. |
| 06:28.18 | Marfi | What type of computer? |
| 06:29.04 | saltmiser | apple ibook g4 |
| 06:30.02 | Marfi | Interesting. Have you tried Arch on it? |
| 06:30.08 | saltmiser | no |
| 06:30.16 | saltmiser | I've used arch happily before though |
| 06:30.16 | saltmiser | hm |
| 06:30.51 | saltmiser | idk, debian worksr eally nice |
| 06:30.52 | saltmiser | printer owrks |
| 06:30.54 | saltmiser | everything works |
| 06:31.03 | saltmiser | cept this freaking hard drive won't mount right |
| 06:31.27 | Marfi | Hmm, that was the one that was fat32, right? |
| 06:31.31 | saltmiser | yup |
| 06:31.41 | saltmiser | and it's shady because other fat32 flashdrives mount right up |
| 06:31.47 | saltmiser | you'd think it'd be the same |
| 06:32.31 | saltmiser | I'm gonna install gnome and see if it works out |
| 06:32.38 | Marfi | Is hal starting? |
| 06:34.14 | saltmiser | yeah |
| 06:34.15 | saltmiser | hal owrks |
| 06:34.19 | saltmiser | flashdrives work |
| 06:34.23 | Marfi | Hmm, hal normally mounts the drive |
| 06:34.26 | saltmiser | it's just this 1.5 terabyte external hard drive |
| 06:34.28 | Marfi | Is there an error in dmesg? |
| 06:34.30 | saltmiser | nope |
| 06:34.33 | saltmiser | no errors, no hints at all |
| 06:34.46 | Marfi | Is it 1 drive that is 1.5 tb? |
| 06:36.04 | Marfi | Ah ha, that's what I thought |
| 06:36.10 | saltmiser | as far as any operating system is concerned, it is |
| 06:36.15 | Marfi | fat32 is only limited in the size of the file system |
| 06:36.19 | Marfi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#FAT32 |
| 06:37.06 | Marfi | You'll have to check the size of the clusters. If they are 32k, then you can have up to 8 TB |
| 06:37.16 | Marfi | Most come with 4k clusters |
| 06:37.51 | Marfi | would say to try a different FS |
| 06:38.17 | saltmiser | trying a different filesystem is not an option |
| 06:38.30 | saltmiser | I'm going to upgrade to testing |
| 06:38.36 | saltmiser | and run that |
| 06:38.41 | saltmiser | maybe it'll work there? |
| 06:38.45 | saltmiser | gets his hopes up |
| 06:39.17 | Marfi | It doesn't seem like a linux problem. The file system itself is limited to it's size |
| 06:39.34 | Marfi | It is late, and I could be wrong...but I'm pretty sure that is the case |
| 06:41.33 | saltmiser | no; it works fine on osx and windows |
| 06:41.36 | saltmiser | so it's linux being dumb |
| 06:41.36 | saltmiser | :P |
| 06:41.40 | saltmiser | must be late lol |
| 06:44.59 | Marfi | Yea. It's almost 2 AM here |
| 06:49.38 | saltmiser | same |
| 06:49.38 | saltmiser | hahaha |
| 06:49.41 | saltmiser | I'm about to go to sleep though |
| 06:49.42 | saltmiser | cya |
| 06:49.45 | Marfi | Adios |
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| 07:08.28 | saltmiser | aw man |
| 07:08.34 | saltmiser | I just blew that debian install out of the water lol |
| 07:12.37 | saltmiser | wow i'm such an idiot, I forgot about the dist-upgrade option! |
| 07:12.40 | saltmiser | :( |
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| 14:31.47 | Marfi | Haha, what did you do? |
| 16:28.44 | Marfi | Debian PPC is running beautifully. =) |
| 17:03.32 | djanatyn | Yay! |
| 18:03.59 | saltmiser | Marfi; I wanted to upgrade from lenny to testing to try running that |
| 18:04.04 | saltmiser | and I did apt-get upgrade |
| 18:04.07 | saltmiser | instead of apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.14 | saltmiser | NOTHING works now lol |
| 19:07.56 | Marfi | saltmiser: That's no fun |
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| 21:40.36 | saltmiser | I'm so frustrated, my second attempt now to get lenny to upgrade to squeeze; only this time when it would load up gdm it'd render all the input devices useless |
| 21:40.59 | saltmiser | thus making me unable to go back to ctrl+alt+f1, more or less even LOGIN |
| 21:41.08 | saltmiser | gives up for this week |
| 21:44.07 | simonrvn | saltmiser: it's the udev stuff + new xorg auto-detect. i could pass you some config stuff for xorg.conf to turn your configured devices back on. |
| 21:44.33 | saltmiser | yeah I noticed; udev won't upgrade at all |
| 21:44.51 | simonrvn | sec |
| 21:45.13 | simonrvn | Section "ServerFlags" |
| 21:45.16 | simonrvn | # these 3 flags need to be here if input devices are defined in this file |
| 21:45.17 | simonrvn | # udev 147-1 seems to cause the x server to disable the devices if these aren't set, |
| 21:45.20 | simonrvn | # and there are devices defined. 2009/11/10-11 |
| 21:45.21 | simonrvn | # 17-01-2010 commenting out autoenable/add, see what happens |
| 21:45.23 | simonrvn | # - still very odd behaviour, unpleasant and in-the-way |
| 21:45.25 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.27 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.29 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.31 | simonrvn | EndSection |
| 21:45.33 | simonrvn | sorry for the paste. that was a lot.... |
| 21:45.50 | saltmiser | hmm ok |
| 21:45.55 | saltmiser | well i'm booted up into osx tiger now |
| 21:46.03 | saltmiser | and I'm out of time to mess with debian for now :/ |
| 21:46.04 | simonrvn | boot single user, edit your conf, and - oh you were on arch linux, i suppose you know your way around a terminal. |
| 21:46.19 | saltmiser | well I know my way around the termianl ;D |
| 21:46.56 | saltmiser | maybe next weekend they'll have all of that fixed in the repos |
| 21:47.17 | saltmiser | that and it all froze up right int he middle of the dist-upgrade |
| 21:47.27 | saltmiser | so I don't even know if it's cooked now or not |
| 21:47.53 | simonrvn | mm |
| 21:47.54 | saltmiser | it managed to boot back up again |
| 21:48.09 | saltmiser | but that's for the insight though |
| 21:48.11 | saltmiser | I hate running osx |
| 21:48.28 | saltmiser | because I know apple's just looking down on me waiting for me to upgrade |
| 21:48.33 | saltmiser | and I refuse to becaues this machien is still so legit |
| 21:49.01 | simonrvn | brb |
| 21:49.03 | saltmiser | (I even upgraded it's ram to 1.25gb and a new 160gb disc :)) |
| 21:49.47 | saltmiser | wow, 2009/11/10? |
| 21:51.33 | simonrvn | in order for it to work properly you have to either do what i pasted, or removed the configured devices |
| 21:51.39 | simonrvn | remove* |
| 21:51.55 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:51.58 | ravenbird | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt- (1 more message) |
| 21:52.21 | simonrvn | more |
| 21:52.34 | simonrvn | !more |
| 21:52.35 | ravenbird | simonrvn: listchanges . |
| 21:54.43 | saltmiser | hm |
| 21:54.51 | saltmiser | so this has all been broken like this since november? |
| 22:02.36 | simonrvn | they don't call it broken because it's a) a simple fix b) either/or |
| 22:11.29 | saltmiser | alright |
| 23:34.09 | saltmiser | do they make like weekly generated isos of testing |
| 23:35.00 | saltmiser | yes they do |
| 23:35.01 | saltmiser | good |
| 23:35.06 | saltmiser | I'll just get oen of those :P |
| 23:35.18 | saltmiser | now...do I use gnome or xfce... |
| 23:38.12 | saltmiser | gnome; then I'll just install xfce on top of that so xfce can reap the benefit of all the gnome programs hehe |
| 23:38.24 | saltmiser | and, I know gnome was able to mount my external drive |